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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #580 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 1:55pm »
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on Apr 28th, 2012, 1:15pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
1940 photo of one of the CN's massive articulated gas-electrics.
 
As was seen in views posted earlier, these units were later de-motored and relegated "trailer" status.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/cn/cn15817jpa.jpg

HFM -  
 
If we know this, oughtn't we have a good source explaining CNR D-1? This 'Net craze getting long in the tooth.
By now, oughta' be any number of solid CNR sites?
 
...........................Vern..........................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #581 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 2:04pm »
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on Apr 28th, 2012, 1:55pm, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

HFM -  
 
If we know this, oughtn't we have a good source explaining CNR D-1? This 'Net craze getting long in the tooth.
By now, oughta' be any number of solid CNR sites?
 
...........................Vern..........................

 
Vern.....
 
Agreed....
 
I've been trying to find some "concrete" stats on this car (D-1); so, far, nothing, but will keep on looking.
 
In the meantime.........
 
http://www.education.mcgill.ca/profs/cartwright/rawdon/electraw.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #582 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 2:11pm »
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Vern/All:
 
Some items of interest here.....
 
http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/Various/early_diesels.htm


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« Reply #583 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 2:18pm »
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Gentlemen...here's a photo, identified by former CNJ publicity director Nate James, as being the doodle bug demo on the CNJ...he was uncertain of the location though....Tom

http://Forums.Railfan.net/Images/PassengerTrains/CNJ_DB_Trial003.jpg
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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #584 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 3:17pm »
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HFM -  
 
EMC CAR Spotting Notes? Whatever date, this was the "Factory Demo" of the time. The EMC product noted  
by the fairly clean and organized design of the needed cooling fan and radiator, front and center...
 
Also? Reliant on St. Louis Car body work? See the first window, passenger side, with the curved top? It often  
appeared as "Stock, factory build EMC" of the era.
 
I'd need to look at the photos, but... IIRC, the fairly recent 1:87 Bachmann replica had it down near perfectly.
This for reference and amusement. "MA & PA" never hooked such a heavy trail car!  
http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/160-81424  

 
..........................Vern........................


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« Reply #585 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 3:58pm »
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on Apr 27th, 2012, 10:51am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

HFM -  
 
Don't you go be dissin' the BURLINGTON! <G>
 
Once again: No further caption?  There is a story to the "streamlined coach" seen. It looks to be one of the rare "Pendulum Cars" group.  
Used a suspension system later used on TALGO trains, so for better performance going into curves. On top of that, these heavily relied  
on heavy ("Marine") plywood fab of the bodies.
 
The "Pendulum Cars" are a curious footnote in US Car Building History, of course...
 
NORM -  
 
As I check messages, "oldest to newest" order, later saw you were excited, too, about the "Pendulum Car" in the scene. One rare bird...
 
.............................Vern............................

 
Vern, and HFM,
 
Sorry for the accidental "red herring"-- I have since done a bit more checking, and discovered that the pendular Chair Car in the photo wasn't Santa Fe's after all.  
 
Pacific Railway Manufacturing Co. apparently built three of these prototypes-- Santa Fe got one (painted up in two-tone blue with silver or chrome accents, a la the "Blue Goose" streamlined Hudson); Great Northern got one (painted up in their famous green-and-orange "Empire Builder" scheme); and the Burlington got one (which retained its unpainted exterior, but received a name-- (I shoulda guessed . . . Silver Pendulum).  AT&SF's car spent most of its time in San Diegan service; GN's car was kept mainly in Portland-Seattle "pool" service; and CB&Q's entry was most often seen within a few hours of Kansas City.  
 
An interesting, if tangential note-- the three cars were identical in dimensions, but while GN's car seated 68 (17 rows of 2-and-2 seating), and CB&Q's car seated 60 (15 rows), Santa Fe's offered the most legroom at 56 seats (13 rows).
 
Sadly, all three were cut up for scrap.  They survive only in photos.
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #586 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 4:06pm »
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Gentlemen:
 
While doing further research, came across the following......
 
http://sections.asme.org/rockriver/faq.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #587 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 4:11pm »
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See also (photos relating to previous post)......
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/mw31.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/misc-m/mwrr31dsa.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #588 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 4:28pm »
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HFM -  
 
So, may this reader infer you would welcome a Membership Application from a Chamber Of Commerce group in the Big Sky Country State?
 
You could always teach at University of Montana at Missoula? Good fishing there!
 
................................Vern................................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #589 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 4:29pm »
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GN (G-E) #2335........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/gn/gn-ge2335rga.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #590 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 4:34pm »
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on Apr 28th, 2012, 4:28pm, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)
HFM -  
 
So, may this reader infer you would welcome a Membership Application from a Chamber Of Commerce group in the Big Sky Country State?
 
You could always teach at University of Montana at Missoula? Good fishing there!
 
................................Vern................................

 
 
 
Vern.........
 
I am now recalling what the good Sisters at my old Catholic school always reminded us of:
 
".....an idle mind is the Devil's workshop......"
 
In other words, I wish you a LONG life and a SHORT memory, my friend!
 
Now, back to rail-oriented discussion.........<G>
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #591 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 4:34pm »
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"GN (GE) #2335........ "\
 
For clarification...
 
"GN gas - electric #2335" not that it was a GE-built car.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #592 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 4:46pm »
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"GN (GE) #2335........ "\
 
For clarification...
 
"GN gas - electric #2335" not that it was a GE-built car.

 
 
Jerry.....
 
Knew that; only forgot to add the hyphen!
 
"H.F,M."


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« Reply #593 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 5:01pm »
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NORM -
 
Thanks for chasing history of the Pendular Car trials. I knew the units were scarce, but didn't recall the facts...
 
Odd how all three railroads ran trials on the cars, and all must have decided, another good idea going nowhere in particular?
 
............................Vern..........................


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« Reply #594 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 5:10pm »
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ROCK ISLAND's stunning #9049 (EMC) shows us that a jazzy paint scheme could be a very economical way to "streamline" equipment, with a little help.....<G>
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/ri9049.jpg


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« Reply #595 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 5:15pm »
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CN #15836 (PULLMAN/WESTINGHOUSE) oil-electric.....
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_cn15836.jpg


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« Reply #596 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 5:22pm »
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This strange beast was the  "AUTOTRAM", built in 1933 by the Clark Company.....
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/alcoa.jpg


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« Reply #597 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 5:29pm »
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All:
 
This page showcases an exhaustive collection of vintage railroad postcards, representing many different areas of the industry.
 
(You'll be kept busy for quite awhile, gents!)<G>
 
Scroll through page to see another view of the rare Clark "AUTOTRAM", which also gives some info on this unusual car.....
 
"H.F.M."
 
http://www.cardcow.com/viewall/29489/


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #598 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 5:34pm »
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Collection of photos of the Clark "AUTOTRAM", including some of the unit under construction.....
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joes_place/sets/72157608122355729


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« Reply #599 on: Apr 28th, 2012, 5:44pm »
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on Apr 28th, 2012, 11:28am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

HFM -  
 
Here we go, again! Some time back, we established BUDD did not approve of RDC Cars pulling any trailers.  
IMHO, it had concerns the loads exceeded design weights of parts of the drive train mechanisms.
 
ROCK ISLAND "had a pass" with it. The line where used between Memphis and Amarillo. Check the "Topo"  
Maps: I can't imagine it fought sustained, long grades on any of it. What BUDD saying? If a line needed added  
capacity, add another BUDD RDC...
 
Motor Cars (Gas-Electric) a different story. Most of the Cars designed to haul along lightweight trailers...
 
.........................Vern.....................

Vern:
 
I think the trailer was only hauled between Memphis and Little Rock.  I think in part this was to be sure the signals recognized the train was there.  The line had ABS from Memphis to some point about 40 miles west of Littlle Rock with the rest of the line dark, except Oklahoma City to El Reno.  Memphis to Little Rock was almost dead flat - and straight - except Crowley's Ridge and the west approach to the Mississippi River Bridge at Memphis.  The total vertical rise was around 100 feet in both cases.  I think the grade approaching the bridge was a little over 1% and Crowley's ridge something under 1% both up and down.  I have a copy of the profile, but I don't have it handy.  I will hunt up the grades sometime.  
 
Forgot to add, west of Little Rock the terrain was very different.  It had quite a bit of up and down.  None really that steep, but quite different in character.  
 
Unfortunately, the Rock Island is now out of service or abandoned west of Brinkley, which was the end of Cotton Belt's trackage rights, and their bridge over the Arkansas River permanently raised and converted to a pedestrian path.


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