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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #540 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 11:10am »
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on Apr 27th, 2012, 10:51am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

HFM -  
 
Don't you go be dissin' the BURLINGTON! <G>
 
Once again: No further caption?  There is a story to the "streamlined coach" seen. It looks to be one of the rare "Pendulum Cars" group.  
Used a suspension system later used on TALGO trains, so for better performance going into curves. On top of that, these heavily relied  
on heavy ("Marine") plywood fab of the bodies.
 
The "Pendulum Cars" are a curious footnote in US Car Building History, of course...
 
.............................Vern............................

 
Vern......
 
Yet, again, as I stated before, IF a detailed caption is available with a given photo, I will most assuredly relay it here.
 
As I said earlier, one is VERY LUCKY if you get more than just a loco/car number, caption-wise!
 
Me?
 
"Dissing" the BURLINGTON?
 
Uh-uh, pal!<G>
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #541 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 11:29am »
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NWP #900 (GE); a machine this fearsome-looking rarely had its right-of-way in dispute...........
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nwp900.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #542 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 11:41am »
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on Apr 27th, 2012, 11:29am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
NWP #900 (GE); a machine this fearsome-looking rarely had its right-of-way in dispute...........
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nwp900.jpg

HFM -  
 
In its day, it had some interesting features. Note the "rear view mirror" (?) on "Fireman" side of the control cab?
 
Also, following ESPEE protocols, the prominent "Train Number" identifiers.
 
And, hardly a "through or commute" coach. It was just there, holding down obligations on EXPRESS and MAIL.  
Any riders were merely incidental...
 
........................Vern.......................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #543 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 11:52am »
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Vern.....
 
IMHO, I think that just about the only instances where motorcars carried anywhere near full passenger capacity would have been on roads like the ERIE, and stepchild NYS&W, where commuter services were offered.
 
I've seen many old photos of ERIE "Go Devils" hauling several Stillwell coaches; clearly, these were rush-hour views!
 
On occassion, these cars operated "hind end forward", in and out of Pavonia Avenue (Jersey City).
 
Some mid-day consists would have a "Go Devil" hauling a single Stillwell and a baggage car.....
 
"H.F.M."
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #544 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 11:56am »
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Built by BETHLEHEM SEEL, this ancient ex-ERIE "GO DEVIL" is preserved today.
 
Note that this is not one of the cars which featured a "Stillwell"-type roof............
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_erie09.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #545 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 12:12pm »
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on Apr 27th, 2012, 11:56am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Built by BETHLEHEM SEEL, this ancient ex-ERIE "GO DEVIL" is preserved today.
 
Note that this is not one of the cars which featured a "Stillwell"-type roof............
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_erie09.jpg

HFM -  
 
Ya' gotta' know the "electricals" and the "power plant" for any of it to keep rational! From photo, it looks more EMC, but the latter didn't do the coach
work, anyway.
 
OK. So some of the ERIE units, some of the time, ran heavily in and out of Pavonia? It was not a "typical" or "average" application of Motor Car runs.  
In most instances, the Cars simply slogged out rather pedestrian, "branch line" support. Recall my role as Ambassador of Flyover Country. There are  
still myriad small towns out there, and hear testimony from Paul Harvey! (...And now you know... The rest of the story!... Good Day!...)
 
.........................Vern.......................
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #546 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 1:08pm »
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Vern.......
 
Concur, dear sir!<G>
 
"Heavy" runs for rail cars (such as ERIE's out of Pavonia Avenue) were indeed "out of the usual realm" for the type; again, as you correctly state, such equipment was far more at home (and efficient) on rural branches than on busy metro-area main lines!
 
Note that neither the DL&W nor the CNJ operated any such equipment (they seemed to be doing QUITE well with "conventional" equipment); however, I had heard sometime ago that a "demo" had a brief stint on the CNJ, many eons ago.....
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #547 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 1:29pm »
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See also......
 
http://www.american-rails.com/doodlebugs.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #548 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 1:34pm »
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Further reading.....
 
http://www.lvrra.org/doodlebug.htm
 
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Doodlebug_Disaster


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #549 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 1:41pm »
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B&M (EMC) units (no other info available).....
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_bm196.jpg
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bm152.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #550 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 4:43pm »
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A BRILL car, LIRR (MP-55 class), at Sag Harbor, 1939......
 
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirrphotos/photos/GasCar-1134-SagHrbr-1939.jpg


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« Reply #551 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 7:09pm »
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on Apr 27th, 2012, 1:08pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Vern.......
 
Concur, dear sir!<G>
 
"Heavy" runs for rail cars (such as ERIE's out of Pavonia Avenue) were indeed "out of the usual realm" for the type; again, as you correctly state, such equipment was far more at home (and efficient) on rural branches than on busy metro-area main lines!
 
Note that neither the DL&W nor the CNJ operated any such equipment (they seemed to be doing QUITE well with "conventional" equipment); however, I had heard sometime ago that a "demo" had a brief stint on the CNJ, many eons ago.....
 
"H.F.M."

The CNJ demo'd an EMC rail car in the early '20s on the Lake Hopatcong branch as a way to save money. Abandonment of the line in 1928 made it a moot point.


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« Reply #552 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 8:26pm »
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Not so fast HFM....Bernet's book 'Jersey Central Diesels' lists the first four of the CNJ's RDC fleet as arriving in April of 1954, four years prior to the NYS&W acquisitions....Tom

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« Reply #553 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 9:01pm »
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Indeed... and there were 2 more added in 1956.

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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #554 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 9:02pm »
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on Apr 27th, 2012, 8:26pm, TAB wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Not so fast HFM....Bernet's book 'Jersey Central Diesels' lists the first four of the CNJ's RDC fleet as arriving in April of 1954, four years prior to the NYS&W acquisitions....Tom

 
 
Tom:
 
So four of the CNJ's RDC's were new aquisitions from the start?
 
OK, so now I know that only some of the RDC fleet were ex-NYS&W units.
 
Thanks.......
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #555 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 9:11pm »
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RDG (BETHLEHEM STEEL) #74......
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/rdg74.jpg


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« Reply #556 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 10:01pm »
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.....interesting coach behind #74....bears more of a resemblance to Harriman cars the the familiar Reading cars with the low arch roof.....Hmmmmm...Tom

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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #557 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 10:16pm »
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on Apr 27th, 2012, 10:01pm, TAB wrote:       (Click here for original message)
.....interesting coach behind #74....bears more of a resemblance to Harriman cars than the familiar Reading cars with the low arch roof.....Hmmmmm...Tom

 
Tom......
 
You noticed that too I see; yes, the car resembles more of a HARRIMAN, than one of the RDG/CNJ-type arch roof jobs......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #558 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 10:40pm »
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NYC M-13 (STANDARD STEEL), Harmon, NY, 1939.
 
This is GCT commuter territory.....note third rail......
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nycM13.jpg


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« Reply #559 on: Apr 27th, 2012, 10:46pm »
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Resembling a hybrid McKee motor car/center-entrance interurban is SEABOARD's #2011 (WHITING/GE)........
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=949195


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