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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #480 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 12:12pm »
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All:
 
As we've been discussing the RDC and other motor cars, I feel that we should at least make brief mention of the RDC's oft-forgoten ancesor, the fearsome McKeen Motor Car.
 
Note that, originally, the power plants for these hulking units were supplied by the Standard Motor Works of Jersey City, NJ.........
 
http://www.ask.com/wiki/McKeen_Motor_Car_Company
 
http://www.shiawasseehistory.com/mckeen.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #481 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 12:18pm »
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On a related note, read of "THE SUPER CHIEF DINER", originally "DENNY's".......
 
http://aroundcarson.com/2006/06/20/mckeen_motor_car_22/


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #482 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 2:03pm »
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NORM -  
 
Alas! I C RR and its MOTORAILER! So sad that it only took three months to appreciate the fatal flaw in the unit! (The same problem,  
IMO, of much concern about RDC Cars in high speed services!)
 
Tho being a nice guy and all, I don't much feel like bickering with the writer(s) of the cited WIKI piece. The MOTORAILER an A C F  
product. Writer notes as a "...diesel multiple unit..."! I don't think so". HALL-SCOTT part of the A C F empire (see related WIKI accounts),  
which was actually the J. G. BRILL money. So that: MOTORAILER Cars likely with HALL-SCOTT gasoline engines.
 
......................Vern....................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #483 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 2:56pm »
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Stunning, meticulous restoration of a rare RDC ancestor......
 
http://aroundcarson.com/2009/02/o4/mckeen_motor_car_progress


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #484 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 3:11pm »
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McKeens also operated on the SF's Richmond-Oakland line; when this line opened in 1904, it was not operated as part of the main line.
 
These cars were built between 1909 and 1910; few photos exist of the SF cars, but one can be seen in "RAILS TO SAN FRANCISCO BAY", By Harre W. Demoro and Vernon J. Sappers.....


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #485 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 3:16pm »
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UP's M-16 was a particularly fearsome-looking machine, even for a MCKEEN.......it would indeed seem that its right-of-way was rarely in dispute.....
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/upM16.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #486 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 3:27pm »
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on Apr 24th, 2012, 2:56pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Stunning, meticulous restoration of a rare RDC ancestor......
 
http://aroundcarson.com/2009/02/o4/mckeen_motor_car_progress

HFM -  
 
On this one: Have A Heart! The McKeen Car a solution to some difficult problems which UPRR had with selected branches. It was what it was!  
The intent was that of simply satisfying issues with ICC and State PUC agencies. The "commuter" or "long haul rider" issues neither here nor  
there! The McKeen was there for basic statutory mandates, and timely delivery of U S Mail...
 
Meanwhile, they have old V & T #22 running again at Carson City. See your travel agent for tickets to and from RENO? (Yes, it now has CUMMINS  
or CAT Power!)
 
http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=AvS._oFzwxqLwbzTNBQHNUybvZx4?p=carson+city+mckeen+car&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=fptb-tyc
 
.............................Vern........................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #487 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 3:42pm »
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Vern.....
 
OUTSTANDING video tribute to such a rare and wonderful machine!
 
IMHO, a "quiet runner", given the era it dated from!
 
Oh, that horn is so damn haunting!
 
Maybe they were cranky, cantankerous, and balky at times, but, hey, they "got the mails through", all courtesy of domestic-made parts and US labor!
 
Easy to see who the RDC's ancestor was......dear ol' pappy was QUITE a character.......<G>
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #488 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 3:46pm »
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Also of interest......
 
http://www.nsrm-friends.org/nsrm44.html


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #489 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 6:32pm »
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on Apr 24th, 2012, 3:46pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Also of interest......
 
http://www.nsrm-friends.org/nsrm44.html

HFM -  
 
No doubt! With a current day, new Diesel power plant, why, why...
 
"Everything's up to date in Kansas City!" (Anon)
 
.........................Vern....................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #490 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 7:06pm »
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Vern......
 
Surely you've heard of "Back To The Future"?<G>
 
These fearsome monsters must have been quite "State Of The Art" in their day!
 
Quite honestly, I've long thought that Jules Verne (and/or H.G. Wells) had a hand in the design of these fanciful beasts.......
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #491 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 7:34pm »
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"Quite honestly, I've long thought tha Jules Verne (and/or H.G. Wells) had a hand in the design of these fanciful beasts....... "
 
Actually, for H.G. Wells, who left this world in 1946, the opposite might have been true...  


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #492 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 8:16pm »
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on Apr 24th, 2012, 7:34pm, jmlaboda wrote:       (Click here for original message)
"Quite honestly, I've long thought tha Jules Verne (and/or H.G. Wells) had a hand in the design of these fanciful beasts....... "
 
Actually, for H.G. Wells, who left this world in 1946, the opposite might have been true...  

 
Jerry:
 
H.G. Wells designing passenger rail equipment.......aaaaahhh, 'tis fanciful thoughts now dancin' in me head......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #493 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 11:29pm »
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"MEAN MCKEEN MACHINE" (CGW's #1000 at Winona, MN.)
 
Frightening, fearsome, ferocious......
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cgw1000.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #494 on: Apr 25th, 2012, 12:05am »
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How the mighty hath fallen.....
 
http://www.nsrm-friends.org/nsrm87.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #495 on: Apr 25th, 2012, 12:19am »
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In the early days of rail motor cars, there was some "family resemblence" to the Mckeens to be found in GE units (here represented by cars from the Missouri Pacific and Midland Valley)........
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/mp504.jpg
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_mvrr23.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #496 on: Apr 25th, 2012, 9:57am »
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McKeen photo gallery........
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/self_prop5.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #497 on: Apr 25th, 2012, 10:13am »
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The ERIE took delivery of ten McKeens in 1909; however, by 1922, they had been removed from service.
 
However, "doodlebug" service on the ERIE continued a least through 1950; the cars operated both in suburban service out of Jersey City (Pavonia Ave.) as well as at other points on the railroad, far west of commuter territory.
 
These two 1940's photos depict the cars operating in NJ suburban territory; the massive monsters were known as 'GO DEVILS" locally.
 
Note that their roofs match those of the Stillwell coaches they hauled......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/erie5011ajz.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/erie5007jza.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #498 on: Apr 25th, 2012, 10:23am »
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A NYS&W doodlebug; as "Ol' Man Erie" was the parent, it is not surprising that at least some cars also featured the distinctive "Stillwell"-type roof design (as was the case on the ERIE, these units also hauled Stillwell coaches)......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nysw/nysw5012ajz.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #499 on: Apr 25th, 2012, 12:43pm »
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As mentioned previously, though ERIE's "GO DEVILS" were most commonly seen operating in NJ commuter services, they were also to be found far from the suburban commute zones.
 
Here is #5012, at Buffalo, 1950......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/erie5012blb.jpg


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