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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #460 on: Apr 23rd, 2012, 10:45pm »
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All:
 
ACF's sleek "MotoRailers" operated on the MP, NYS&W, and the IC.
 
The design was clearly adaptable for both through and commuter operations.
 
MP's stunning "EAGLETTE", for example with its baggage compartment, clearly was a unit suited for "through" service.
 
The "Streamliners" Of the NYS&W, on the other hand, were designed with suburban commuter operations in mind.
 
Following is an excellent page on MP's majestic "EAGLETTE"........
 
http://screamingeagles.rrarchives.com/eaglette.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #461 on: Apr 23rd, 2012, 10:57pm »
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The NYS&W's "Streamliners" operaetd between Butler and Susquehanna Transfer, (and also between Paterson City and the Transfer) where commuters boarded buses, which whisked them through the adjacent Lincoln Tunnel to midtown Manhattan.
 
These units operated only within commuter territory, although, they could be seen venturing west of Butler when on excursion trips.
 
Interestingly, two IC cars, (one damaged in an accident),  went back to ACF and rebuilt them into a semi-permanently coupled two car set, which went to the NYS&W in 1943.
 
These modern units, however, with their pancake engines, were prone to catching fire.
 
By 1950, the NYS&W had retired the "Streamliners", and were used as trade-ins on the new Budd cars.
 
Actually, only the airbrake hardware was salvaged, with the sleek car bodies being cut up at North Hawthorne.
 
Here is a photo of one of the cars, after a particularly serious fire, in 1946.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nysw/nysw1001ajz.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #462 on: Apr 23rd, 2012, 11:01pm »
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Noting the Lincoln Tunnel approach helix in the background, we see one of the "Streamliners" near the modest "SUSQUEHANNA TRANSFER" station.
 
As noted earlier, passengers transferred to buses at this station, for the quick hop into Manhattan.
 
This station was used until the NYS&W abandoned all commuter service in 1966.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nysw/nysw1002ajh.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #463 on: Apr 23rd, 2012, 11:09pm »
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Beautiful portraits of IC's sleek "MISS LOU" and "LAND O' CORN"............
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/ic-railmo-asw.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/ic-ge140asw.jpg


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Norm_Anderson
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on Apr 23rd, 2012, 9:43am, jmlaboda wrote:       (Click here for original message)
"In fact, my eyes seem to see at least two trailers behind the RDC."
 
What you are seeing in that photo is not trailers... its two California Western motor cars, which also operated out of that same station.

 
Jerry, I really think the motto for my life should be "Surprised By the Obvious . . ."  
 
You are 100% correct, of course-- I rather suspected the photo was taken at Willitts, but I wasn't sure, even though I've stood on the spot (years later) where the photo was taken.  California Western had four motor cars, as I recall-- in ascending order of size and weight they were M-80, M-100, M-200, and "streamlined" M-300.  I concur that the motor car behind the RDC is probably M-200, with M-100 behind it, both facing away from the camera (and toward Fort Bragg), while the RDC faces Eureka.
 
It all makes perfect sense now.
 
 
Thanks,
 
Norm


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on Apr 23rd, 2012, 11:09pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Beautiful portraits of IC's sleek "MISS LOU" and "LAND O' CORN"............
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/ic-railmo-asw.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/ic-ge140asw.jpg

 
My Mom grew up in northern Illinois when these trains were new, and she recalls locals calling one of them the CAN O' CORN.
 
Norm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #466 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 12:02am »
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NYS&W ACF "Streamliner" #1001 at the N. Hawthorne shops......
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nysw1001.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #467 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 12:08am »
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Undated view of MOPAC "Eaglette" #670.
 
Compare photo with the NYS&W units; again, the MOPAC cars were more suited for a "through" operation, whereas the NYS&W cars were clearly of a suburban commuter nature.....
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/mp-mc670esw.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #468 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 12:19am »
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NYS&W's #1002; note destination sign for "SUSQUEHANNA TRANSFER".......
 
http://www.railwayclassics.com/images/ACF01/NYSW02.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #469 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 12:31am »
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Another view of IC's "MISS LOU"......
 
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/ic-railmo-asw.jpg


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Norm_Anderson
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« Reply #470 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 12:40am »
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on Apr 23rd, 2012, 10:27am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Two examples of ESPEE commuter equipment, 1970's.
 
The standard arch roof coach is of a general design used by other roads (including the CNJ and the RDG).
 
The double-deck unit is of a type once commonplace in and around Chicago; recall that the original CN&W double-deckers inspired similiar designs for some of the road's through equipment.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp-c2119wba.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/sp/sp-c8727wba.jpg

 
HFM, again you have managed to stir nostalgic personal memories for me.
 
Growing up in suburban Los Angeles, San Francisco was a weekend railfan destination.  A veritable all-you-can-ride buffet of public transport-- something taken for granted in the East, but a rarity on the West Coast in those days.  We'd ride ourselves silly on the Cable Cars, MUNI streetcars, "Trolley Buses," and (in later years) BART trains, but the round-trip to San Jose on the SP commuter trains was a reasonably-priced highlight.
 
The old Harriman coaches were on their last legs, but were my only chance to pretend I was riding a "Heavyweight Limited."  The seats were walk-over (one small step above school-bus seating), and the interior, as I recall, was painted some nondescript peach/cream/tan/pink/whatever.  What I remember most vividly, though, were the tulip-shaped, frosted-glass light fixtures, and the smell of hot brakes (and loud!).  I can still feel my ears pop when we passed another train going the other way through one of the tunnels.  The newer "Gallery Cars" were a much smoother ride, but much less flavorful.
 
Thanks for the reawakened memories.
 
Norm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Earlier, I'd mentioned the 85-foot, Budd-built commuter cars that were delivered to the NYS&W in 1951.
 
By 1961, these cars were retired and were sent abroad, as they were purchased by the Saudi Arabian Government Railways.
 
It would seem that these second-hand cars would be used for intercity services overseas, so, this would have been a scenario where surplus commuter cars became through line equipment.
 
Oddly, it seems that not many photos of these cars exist; those I have seen were only in rail publications.
 
Too, it seems ironic that practically brand-new Budd coaches would be sold off, and replaced with 30-year old second/third hand (B&A/D&H) coaches!
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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on Apr 24th, 2012, 12:40am, Norm_Anderson wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
HFM, again you have managed to stir nostalgic personal memories for me.
 
Growing up in suburban Los Angeles, San Francisco was a weekend railfan destination.  A veritable all-you-can-ride buffet of public transport-- something taken for granted in the East, but a rarity on the West Coast in those days.  We'd ride ourselves silly on the Cable Cars, MUNI streetcars, "Trolley Buses," and (in later years) BART trains, but the round-trip to San Jose on the SP commuter trains was a reasonably-priced highlight.
 
The old Harriman coaches were on their last legs, but were my only chance to pretend I was riding a "Heavyweight Limited."  The seats were walk-over (one small step above school-bus seating), and the interior, as I recall, was painted some nondescript peach/cream/tan/pink/whatever.  What I remember most vividly, though, were the tulip-shaped, frosted-glass light fixtures, and the smell of hot brakes (and loud!).  I can still feel my ears pop when we passed another train going the other way through one of the tunnels.  The newer "Gallery Cars" were a much smoother ride, but much less flavorful.
 
Thanks for the reawakened memories.
 
Norm

 
Norm....
 
You are most welcome, my friend!
 
As I had noted earlier, the old ESPEE Harrimans were somewhat similiar to the arch-roof heavyweight commuter cars operated by the CNJ (the remaining few lasted into the early NJT era!)
 
These cars were in the minority in CNJ's commuter fleet, as most of the cars wsere of the clerestory roof-style.
 
The interiors you described are so very reminiscent of those I knew on the CNJ as a lad; I can still see the colorful advertising placards (so commonplace in the NY area, back then!) and those ancient flipover seats, and frosted glass incandescent bulb ceiling fixtures!
 
And, the open windows allowed you to truly HEAR, TASTE, and SMELL classic railroading as it was supposed to be appreciated!
 
Today's modern, antiseptic, generic equipment simply leaves me cold.
 
Aaahh, what memories, though.....
 
"H.F.M."


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HwyHaulier
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on Apr 23rd, 2012, 11:36pm, Norm_Anderson wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
My Mom grew up in northern Illinois when these trains were new, and she recalls locals calling one of them the CAN O' CORN.
 
Norm

NORM -  
 
Not the first time I heard that. I knew some I C RR folks who routinely called it by the amusing label. Unknown to your writer?  
When the units withdrawn from regular service? In the time I was at Chicago, I C held down the schedule with more conventional  
equipment. IIRC, the schedule its sole passenger obligation, in the times, on its line which ran West from Chicago...
 
..........................Vern.......................


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« Reply #474 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 9:16am »
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HFM - Colleagues -
 
SIGH! Back to the discussion in Replies 453-457.
 
I fear the "Old Photos" will only get worse. So much of it in sad events that, "...Old Uncle Ned passed away, you know..." and  
a huge cache of photos found in various boxes, trunks, and so on. No notebooks of thorough notes explaining all the photos,  
of course...
 
Now, as long as it lasts, some of us are in the Fraternity of Old Coots Emeritus. Many can readily identify, with various reliability,  
photos dating back, perhaps, a half dozen or so decades. A photo will appear, from time to time, where solid opinions offered  
about the scene, once made subject to debate.
 
Somewhat related, in an instant example: See the photo at STEAMTOWN, about later markings made on ACL VIRGINIA BEACH.  
This simply a classic of, "Do The Homework" before ordering paints! With all the publications to date of past events on PRR, ACL,  
SAL, and many others, plenty of documentation of specific examples about "what to do" on restoration.
 
So. And, To Whom It May Concern? When posting a photo find, the "URL" line which appears should suffice to credit source.  
Beyond that, add comment citing Caption with the Photo. Where none stated, perhaps better to state, "No Caption Info Provided"?  
These "Mystery Photos" can try one's sanity! <G>
 
.........................Vern.....................
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Another view of IC's "LAND O' CORN"; this unit later went east to the NYS&W, as #1005.........
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/ic140.jpg


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« Reply #476 on: Apr 24th, 2012, 9:23am »
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Vern, I went to the source of all things Wiki, and discovered some interesting things about this service (including the fact that their search feature is rather picky-- "Land O'Corn" leads to the article, while "Land O' Corn" leads to "no such article exists" . . .)
 
The "Can O' Corn" moniker must have taken hold quickly, as the MotoRailer had been in service only around three months when it was wrecked in a grade crossing collision.  You are right-- the service continued, but with conventional equipment.
 
The "Western Lines" had three trains each way daily in the '50s--
 
* The "flagship" was the Hawkeye, overnight between Chicago and Sioux City, Iowa (505 track miles).  Trains 11 and 12 carried Sleepers and a Diner, as well as coaches.
 
* The Land O' Corn, was apparently a single trainset, overnighting in Waterloo, Iowa, 275 miles from Chicago.  Train 14 traveled east in the morning, and Train 13 traveled west in the afternoon.  This train carried a Diner or Diner-Lounge, as well as coaches.
 
* There was also an unnamed, coach-only local between Chicago and Freeport, Illinois (just west of Rockford), 113 miles from Chicago.  Train 15 traveled westbound in the morning and Train 16 traveled eastbound in the evening.
 
I'm not sure when the local was discontinued-- the Land O'Corn lasted until 1967, and the Hawkeye may have made it all the way to A-Day.
 
Here's the wikipedia article:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_O%27Corn
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Two interesing ACF units (both photos self-captioned!)<G>
 
The SLG&W car appears to have had a larger seating capacity than the unit from Alaska; possibly this could have done well on the NYS&W.
 
The Alaska car is clearly a "through" unit (no "Dashing Dan" operations way up north!)<G>
 
The later RDC's, of course, were unmatched in their versatilty......one of the greatest success stories in postwar railroading......
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/slgwMC3.jpg
 
http://www.alaskarails.org/pix/former-loco/JK-213.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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An interesting (and early) BUDD unit, the "GREEN GOOSE", which operated on the RDG; car dates to 1932.
 
Clearly a "short haul" car; note, too, resemblence to the Brill-built "Bullets" of the P&W......
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/rdg65.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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Restored NYS&W RDC M-1 at Rochelle Park.
 
The NYS&W Technical & Historical Society have restored this historic car to operating condition; also, they also own two other original NYS&W RDC's, M-2 and M-4.
 
Like the Budd coaches, the RDC's did not last all that long on the road, being sold to the CNJ in the late 50's.
 
The RDC's had replaced the ACF MotoRailers in 1950.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nysw/nysw-m1bkg.jpg
 
 
 


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