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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #400 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 1:09pm »
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on Apr 22nd, 2012, 12:55pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
...But, strangely enough, comes this tidbit from the aforementioned Lynch work, regarding the sad, sorry state of NH finances in the later years:
 
".......the Federal government even forced the Post Office to keep the mail on the New Haven, to provide extra income......"    

HFM -  
 
You jest here, of course, jes? After precipitate actions in Washington completely wrecked the national rail passenger system,  
this a surprise? The various hangers on and other "swells" with needs to ride the trains between Rome (ooops! Washington)  
and the Yankee redoubts in Mass. Recall, it is at Mass. and Conn. schools they became so smart, they knew it all!
 
Then one happy day, they awoke to figure: They had screwed it up so beyond all belief, the passenger trains between DC and  
Yankee home quarters at risk!
 
..........................Vern.......................
 
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #401 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 1:24pm »
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Vern.....
 
Simply stated, had "well enough" been left alone, and the gummint minded its own affairs(!!), possibly we would not have had to see such a grisly display of bloodletting, later in the 60's.
 
Shucks, during the dismal November of '66 alone, the E-L axed FOUR through runs out of Hoboken in one fell swoop!
 
Thus, Trains #'s 1 & 2 (the PHOEBE SNOW) and #'s 21 and 22 (Hoboken-Binghamton locals) all got the axe with one vicious blow.
 
As, by this late date, the#21 and the #22's consists were quite abbreviated at best, there was simply no way these runs could survive, without the mail and express revenue.
 
Small wonder why the E-8's and "through line" Stillwells were bumped down into commuter service......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #402 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 2:00pm »
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Sidenote to the previous post:
 
That trains such as E-L's #21 and 22 could not survive without head-end traffic  is all the more exemplified by both my personal memories and vintage photos.
 
Two coaches, as a rule, were more than adequate for the passenger loads of the mid-60's.
 
On certain runs, there would be several head-end cars, but only one coach.
 
Again, how could such services survive without the head-end traffic?
 
One circa-1966 photo in one of my books on the E-L, shows a #21 (HOB-Binghamton) train approaching Port Jervis.
 
One RPO, two mail storage/baggage cars, two express boxcars, and one lone coach.
 
With both mail and express traffic gone, it was impossible that trains such as this could survive, given the shaky financial state of the E-L......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #403 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 3:26pm »
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One of the drawbacks of using retired through cars on commuter runs.....
 
This random photo shows a NH through coach (note only one vestibule entrance).
 
Now, imagine several such cars in a rush-hour consist, with crowds huddled around the one lone entrance per car, instead of the two then found on "standard" suburban equipment.
 
Certainly, this did nothing to speed loading/unloading at stations.....
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nh7201.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #404 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 5:12pm »
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NJDOT GG-1 #4872, in charge of a NY&LB train at South Amboy, 1981.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt4872grc.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #405 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 7:10pm »
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"4104 & The Train of Many Colors" (NY&LB, Morgan, 1980).......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt4104brc.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #406 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 7:28pm »
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on Apr 22nd, 2012, 7:10pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
"4104 & The Train of Many Colors" (NY&LB, Morgan, 1980).......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt4104brc.jpg

HFM -  
 
AHEM! Best not to remind? For one thing, 4104 much like a lost pup, and doesn't have good tags on it! By the marks, where did it call home?  
Then, the train! OY! The train! What an embarrassment! Those guys were absent any clue at all, when they "muscled out" the private market  
operators! Beyond these nit picky criticisms, it may have been OK...
 
The NEW HAVEN, lightweight Coach, shown just above. These worked just fine, when in operation by NYNH&H, and in the assignments for  
which designed. Rode them many times on PRR trains, which had through cars with NEW HAVEN...
 
.........................Vern.......................
 
 


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photoman475
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« Reply #407 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 8:24pm »
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Ok, I need to weigh in here a bit with a second-hand story.
 
After my Dad graduated from Rutgers in the late 1940s, he worked in New York City for a couple of years afterwards.
 
His plan was to try and catch a Clocker at New Brunswick if at all possible.  He preferred the better coaches and straight shot, about 40-45 minute run time to Pennsylvania Station.  (I'm sure the GG1 power also helped in this regard.)  If he missed the train or it was running late, he'd end up taking an MP54 set into NYC.  Longer ride, usually 60-75 minutes from New Brunswick because of the more stops involved.
 
He also mentioned taking the H&M, but I don't know how he ended up taking that or why he would have.
 
HFM, if you have any ideas why Dad would have taken the H&M, please let me know.  Thanks.  
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #408 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 8:38pm »
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Vern.....
 
"Lost pup", indeed!
 
By the date of the photo (1980), the ex-CNJ GP-40's had become quite scruffy and ragtag in appearance; as Conrail was now running the show, the engines had pretty much lost their CNJ markings and heralds.
 
On a number of engines you could still make out the painted over "CNJ" letters on the hoods, and tattered remnants of Miss Liberty.
 
Was NOT a pretty sight, indeed!
 
Though colorful, the "Jersey Builder" consists were, in themselves, poignant reminders of the unrelenting unraveling of the entire passenger rail industry at that time.
 
Your humble writer was also there....and it was not pretty......
 
"H.F.M."


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jmlaboda
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« Reply #409 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 8:44pm »
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"By the date of the photo (1980), the ex-CNJ GP-40's had become quite scruffy and ragtag in appearance; as Conrail was now running the show, the engines had pretty much lost their CNJ markings and heralds."
 
Were the GP40Ps Conrail's?  I would have thought that they were transferred to NJDOT along with the rest of the commuter assets.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #410 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 8:53pm »
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on Apr 22nd, 2012, 8:24pm, photoman475 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ok, I need to weigh in here a bit with a second-hand story.
 
After my Dad graduated from Rutgers in the late 1940s, he worked in New York City for a couple of years afterwards.
 
His plan was to try and catch a Clocker at New Brunswick if at all possible.  He preferred the better coaches and straight shot, about 40-45 minute run time to Pennsylvania Station.  (I'm sure the GG1 power also helped in this regard.)  If he missed the train or it was running late, he'd end up taking an MP54 set into NYC.  Longer ride, usually 60-75 minutes from New Brunswick because of the more stops involved.
 
He also mentioned taking the H&M, but I don't know how he ended up taking that or why he would have.
 
HFM, if you have any ideas why Dad would have taken the H&M, please let me know.  Thanks.  
 

 
 
Recall that all NY-bound PRR trains passed through Penn Station, Newark, where direct connections could be made to the "joint service" H&M/PRR trains.
 
He might have caught the H&M at Newark due to some sort of service delay on the PRR, going into Manhattan.
 
If he grabbed the H&M, he would have boarded one of the "Red McAdoo" MP-38 trains that would have taken him straight downtown to Hudson Terminal (World Trade Center, today).
 
If he was working in or around the Midtown area, your Dad would have taken the joint service train to Journal Square (Jersey City), and switched to an H&M "Black" train on the 33rd St. Line.
 
Also, at that time, some PRR locals (as well as "THE BROKER") stopped at Newark, and then continued on to the old Exchange Place Terminal in Jersey City, where, until December of 1949, PRR ferries crossed over to Cortlandt St.
 
Also, H&M connections were also available at this terminal, which closed in November of 1961.
 
Hope this helps!
 
"H.F.M."
 
BTW: Check out this vintage PRR/H&M photo at Newark (H&M train is entering Penn Station; GG-1 is about to depart for New York):
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?75669


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #411 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 8:58pm »
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on Apr 22nd, 2012, 8:44pm, jmlaboda wrote:       (Click here for original message)
"By the date of the photo (1980), the ex-CNJ GP-40's had become quite scruffy and ragtag in appearance; as Conrail was now running the show, the engines had pretty much lost their CNJ markings and heralds."
 
Were the GP40Ps Conrail's?  I would have thought that they were transferred to NJDOT along with the rest of the commuter assets.

 
 
Jerry.......
 
The CNJ engines wore their original markings and heralds (along with DOT markings) until the Conrail takeover in 1976.
 
Though some engines pretty much maintained their original markings for awhile longer, others had their old CNJ heralds and markings painted over not long after the 1976 takeover.
 
Let me see if I can find some photos to better illustrate this......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #412 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 9:11pm »
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on Apr 22nd, 2012, 8:44pm, jmlaboda wrote:       (Click here for original message)
"By the date of the photo (1980), the ex-CNJ GP-40's had become quite scruffy and ragtag in appearance; as Conrail was now running the show, the engines had pretty much lost their CNJ markings and heralds."
 
Were the GP40Ps Conrail's?  I would have thought that they were transferred to NJDOT along with the rest of the commuter assets.

 
Jerry.....
 
Here is a 1979 photo of an ex-CNJ GP-40 at Red Bank (NY&LB); looks like ex-SANTA FE coaches in this train.
 
Note that the only herald seen is the one for the NJDOT; the large "CNJ" lettering on the hood and the Liberty heralds have disappeared......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt4106frc.jpg
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #413 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 9:19pm »
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GP-40 #4103 (ex-CNJ) near Red Bank, 1979.
 
Note engine has been repainted in DOT colors......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt4103crc.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #414 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 9:39pm »
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Lengthy NY&LB train near Red Bank, 1979.
 
Several roads are represented in this train; also note ex-FEC observation and old CNJ heavyweight.
 
GP-40 #4105 is now sporting only NJDOT heralds.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt4105erc.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #415 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 10:24pm »
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GP-40 #4106 at High Bridge (CNJ), 1982.
 
By this late date, six years after the Conrail takeover, this unit was one of the last (if not the last) ex-CNJ engines to wear her original paint, though her CNJ markings have long since vanished.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt4106agc.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #416 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 11:12pm »
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GP-40 #4104 at South Amboy, 1979.
 
Here is a good, clear view of the old CNJ Liberty herald on the end of the nose being blanked out.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt4104crc.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #417 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 11:43pm »
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GP-40 #4112 at Middletown (NY&LB), 1979, hauling another "heritage" train.
 
Again, here is a good view depicting the blanking out of the CNJ Liberty herald on the nose; "CNJ" markings on hood also removed......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt4112grc.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #418 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 11:50pm »
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#4110 at Middletown (NY&LB), 1979.
 
The old "CNJ" leters on the hood are just faintly visible here; no trace on nose of Liberty herald.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt4110jrc.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #419 on: Apr 23rd, 2012, 12:14am »
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For contrast, here we see a CNJ GP-40 at Bay Head, circa-1975, in full CNJ regalia.
 
Note the ex-FEC observation behind the engine.....
 
http://www.thebluecomet.com/nylb3677bayheadjct.jpg


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