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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #40 on: Apr 6th, 2012, 3:55pm »
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LIRR's heavyweight parlor "MATTITUCK" (#2016), originally PRR's "BURGNER" (#7065).........
 
http://dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/heavyweight_mattituck.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #41 on: Apr 6th, 2012, 3:59pm »
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A larger image size of photo seen in previous post of PRR's "BURGNER".....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr-burg-ahn.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #42 on: Apr 6th, 2012, 7:14pm »
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LIRR lightweight parlor car "PANTIGO" (#2051) was built in 1940 by P-S, as PRR's "JUNIPER FALLS" (#8135) as a 6 DBR/buffet-lounge.........
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/pantigo.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #43 on: Apr 6th, 2012, 7:27pm »
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Santa Fe's "DIABLO CANYON" was one of the cars that went east for commuter operation, last running in revenue service for NJT......
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1828458


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #44 on: Apr 6th, 2012, 9:34pm »
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LIRR "MANHASSET", ex-KCS "JOB EDSON".........
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/manhasset.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #45 on: Apr 6th, 2012, 9:40pm »
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KCS "JOB EDSON" (LW 14 Rmt/4DBR).......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/kcs/kcs-pje-m.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #46 on: Apr 7th, 2012, 1:30am »
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C&NW diner-lounge #7804 (ACF), rebuilt from diner.
 
At one time, the C&NW's commuters could avail themselves to diner-lounge service aboard some of the Chicago-Milwaukee trains.
 
Surburbanites could make use of this equipment while traveling between Chicago and Kenosha, Racine and Milwaukee.
 
The C&NW served Continental breakfasts in the morning, and snacks, meals, and beverages in the afternoon and evening.
 
Some of this equipment had been built as early as 1941, but all cars had had extensive rebuilding since that time.
 
These cars were equipped to operate in the consists of suburban trains or the Bi-level 4000's, which used electric power in place of seam.....
 
Source: "COMMUTER RAILROADS", by  Patrick C. Dorin
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/cnw/cnw-d7804goa.jpg


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jmlaboda
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« Reply #47 on: Apr 7th, 2012, 2:04am »
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Burlington Northern pressed some ex-NP (originally C&NW) 56-seat coaches into commuter service out of Chicago during the 70s to help fill the void created when the earliest "Q" gallery cars were sent through the shop for rebuilding.  Probably the only smooth sided cars to have been painted silver instead of the green and white...
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/rspicture.aspx?id=459028
http://rrpicturearchives.net/rspicture.aspx?id=459026
http://www.fobnr.org/bncarlist/passenger/bnp4656.jpg
http://rrpicturearchives.net/rspicture.aspx?id=459027
 
And Southern Pacific took one of their original Daylight 48-seat coaches (T&NO 453, nee-SP 2401) and rebuilt it in 1965 into a 122-seat coach (SP 2202) as an experiment to gauge whether commuters would appreciate such a car as a replacement for the Harriman suburbans or not.  The car was found to be a failure and commuters avoided it like the plague because of its cramped seating.  Ironically the car still survives...
 
http://wx4.org/to/foam/sp/san_jose/depot/commcars/id745.jpg
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=986555
http://myweb.msoe.edu/~westr/Pictures/Misc%20Rails/NRM%202202.JPG


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #48 on: Apr 7th, 2012, 2:11am »
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Jerry:
 
Most interesting, and, again, greatly appreciate your input!
 
I've always found the subject of former through-line equipment ending their service lives as commuter cars to be fascinating; so many types of former long-haul  rolling stock was used in later-day suburban operations, thus making for some very interesting consists, to say the least.
 
The sheer variety of ex-through cars converted for commuter operations certainly made for some interesting operations, not to mention photo opportunities for the railfans of that era.....
 
"H.F.M."  


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #49 on: Apr 7th, 2012, 2:26am »
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As the decade of the 60's wore on, more and more the distinctive "through-line Stillwells", once a commonplace sight on long-haul ERIE trains, began to be more and more relegated to commuter service out of Hoboken, as the E-L gradually abandoned its remaining through trains.
 
These were the newest of the venerable Stillwell fleet, distinctive in their two-tone green paint, offering commuters a bit more in the way of "luxury" than the "standard" suburban models.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/erie-c2658.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/el-c2906.jpg
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #50 on: Apr 7th, 2012, 2:40am »
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Echoes of the famed BLUE COMET, the CNJ was still operating classic open-platform observation cars in regular commuter service to and from Newark during the 1970's.
 
The last of their breed in revenue service on the rails, these handsome, historic cars indeed gave quite a touch of bygone class to the CNJ suburban runs of that era.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/cnj/cnj-obs1178ags.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/cnj/cnj-o1178bgs.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #51 on: Apr 7th, 2012, 2:48am »
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Another LIRR lightweight parlor was "PECONIC" (P-S, 1940), ex-PRR "HEMLOCK FALLS" (6 DBR/buffet-lounge).........
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/peconic.html


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jmlaboda
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« Reply #52 on: Apr 7th, 2012, 2:49am »
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Going back a bit further...
 
The New Haven acquired a number of Pullman parlor cars of several types when Pullman started selling off these cars ahead of the court ordered divestiture and the New Haven was glad to obtain these cars.  But, as new cars from Pullman entered service, the older cars were withdrawn from service, stripped to bare walls and rebuilt to 88-seat coaches with nearly every foot inside covered by seating space, save for two small bathrooms on the ends of the cars.
 
Parlor car Forest Hills, built to Pullman Plan 3916A formerly had 38 parlor seats before it was rebuilt for suburban service as NH 603...
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RG1QMixeNsQ/SruSW4ZIpVI/AAAAAAAAB8M/F9pFJmOcGj4/s1600-h/NH603.jpg
 
Readville was a Plan 3917A 36 seat - drawing room car which was rebuilt to NH 653...
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nh653.jpg
 
And Great Barrington, another Plan 3917 parlor car was also rebuilt, to NH 655...
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nh655.jpg
 
Funny to think about it, really, that some of these cars likely hauled commuters who, on days off or on business trips, also road these cars back when they were in parlor service, and yet they likely never realized that they had ridden the car before.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #53 on: Apr 7th, 2012, 3:04am »
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Jerry.....
 
As I said, it is VERY easy to get "addicted" to this topic!<G>
 
Recall, early in this thread, I'd mentioned that, in the mid-60's, the NYC converted a number of through coaches into commuter cazrs, for service out of GCT
 
In 1966, the Beech Grove shops began to convert 64-seat cars into 108 seat commuter coaches.
 
Some of these cars retained their original fluted sides, while others had new flat side sheets installed......
 
Source: "NYC COLOR GUIDE TO FREIGHT AND PASSENGER EQUIPMENT", by David R. Sweetland and Robert J. Yanosey


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #54 on: Apr 7th, 2012, 3:10am »
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"NOYACK" (LIRR parlor), was formerly PRR's "LAKE COUNTY", built by P-S in 1939 (13 DBR)...........
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/noyack.html


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« Reply #55 on: Apr 7th, 2012, 3:16am »
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Addictive indeed.  I have watched this thread with great interest[i]!!!{/i]
 
The NYC coaches were unusual in that they had to have their sides rebuilt because of the Corten steel underneath the corrugation becoming badly corroded after years of retaining water, with the end result being a car that had painted letterboards and lower sides while retaining the stainless steel window section...
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/nyc1726.jpg
 
Ironically photos of these same coaches in PC paint are fairly rare...


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #56 on: Apr 7th, 2012, 3:19am »
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A few views of the ex-SF coaches while in E-L commute service..........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt-co3072ajh.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt-co3094bjh.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt-co3089ajh.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #57 on: Apr 7th, 2012, 3:26am »
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Seen here at the now-gone CNJ shops at Elizabethport, we see a NJT car, originally NYC #37, a Budd-built tavern/lounge......
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=177802


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #58 on: Apr 7th, 2012, 3:32am »
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NJT's #1800 (ex-MoPac, nee C&O), rebuilt from parlor car.......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/misc-t/tnvr1800agd.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #59 on: Apr 7th, 2012, 10:25am »
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NJT #5310, 108-seat coach (ex-CNJ #102/BN #4817/GN #1216)......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/misc-p/ppcx000000tga.jpg


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