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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #380 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 8:53pm »
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Excellent, detailed site dedicated to LIRR parlor cars (history, speqs, etc.)
 
Had originally posted this here quite awhile back, but decided to post it again, for those who might not have seen it earlier.....
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #381 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 9:22pm »
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Prior to its abandonment in 1968, SP's "LARK" played a part in Penninsula commuter service.
 
On the southbound trip, #76 departed San Francisco about 9PM, and stopped at Burlingame, Palo Alto, and San Jose.
 
On the northbound trip from Los Angeles, #75 made the same stops between San Jose and San Francisco, and arrived at the Third Street terminal during the morning rush hour at 8:30AM.......
 
(Source: "COMMUTER RAILROADS", By Patrick C. Dorin)
 
See:
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Southern_Pacific_The_Lark_1965.JPG


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #382 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 10:10pm »
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Many years back, the C&NW rebuilt several of its club lounge and tavern cars for use in suburban service, or for extra service on the Bi-level 400's.
 
These cars were used in several trains on a regular basis, such as on the Chicago-Lake Geneva run.
 
By the 1960's, these cars no longer retained their UP-style paint scheme, and had been repainted to match the new suburban equipment.
 
The cars had seating capacities between 36 and 46, and served coffee and sweet rolls in the morning, and beverages and light snacks oubound in the evenings......
 
(Source: "COMMUTER RAILROADS", Dorin, 1969)
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1422918


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #383 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 10:54pm »
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A weary relic reflects upon the past at Montauk, 1969.
 
Note ex-PRR Pullman on the right, now in LIRR parlor service.....
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?60396


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #384 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 10:56pm »
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1960's view of ex-PRR parlor at Montauk......
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?45647


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #385 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 11:35pm »
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Ex-PRR "IMPERIAL TRAIL" in a LIRR consist (note other ex-PRR cars) at Montauk (1960's)........
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?42666


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #386 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 1:08am »
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Oyster Bay (LIRR), 1969.
 
First two cars behind the engine are an ex-B&O observation* (nee: "NAPPANEE"; 5 DBR/buffet/lounge-obs) and a UP car......yep, this was stil very much the era of fascinating, diverse railroading!<G>
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?67714
 
*This car was originally C&O's "TIDEWATER CLUB" (#2502)


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #387 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 1:15am »
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See also:
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/amagansett.html


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #388 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 9:43am »
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on Apr 21st, 2012, 9:22pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Prior to its abandonment in 1968, SP's "LARK" played a part in Penninsula commuter service...
(Source: "COMMUTER RAILROADS", By Patrick C. Dorin)...
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Southern_Pacific_The_Lark_1965.JPG

HFM -  
 
With this one, DORIN was truly reaching. Recalls various jokes of, "...give a guy a hammer (or wrench)..." and he will find every  
possible project that needs hammering or tightening.
 
In the era, your writer resided in Menlo Park, CA, adjacent Palo Alto. Were the LARK, Westbound (i.e., moving to San Francisco)  
running to time, it would slot just ahead of a regular San Jose - SFO Commute. Were it not running to time, those awaiting at Palo  
Alto knew it. A Commute Ticket accepted on the LARK, made fewer enroute stops, and its coaches better than on the Commutes.
 
On balance, ludicrous to define LARK availability as a Commute. Picking up "locals" from San Jose (and West) was simply one  
of the surprising niceties of the ESPEE...
 
The example is tenuous. A similar daily event with the travels of NYNH&H - PENN #177 - THE FEDERAL. Yes, fact it would board  
Baltimore - Washington commuters, early in the morning. Here again, it was most dependent whether it running to time coming  
down the line. The daily riders knew how to play that poker game. The default was to ride the scheduled MP-54 Local, BAL - WAS.  
Been there! Done that!
 
.........................Vern......................
 
 


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #389 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 9:47am »
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on Apr 22nd, 2012, 1:08am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Oyster Bay (LIRR), 1969.
 
First two cars behind the engine are an ex-B&O observation* (nee: "NAPPANEE"; 5 DBR/buffet/lounge-obs) and a UP car......yep, this was stil very much the era of fascinating, diverse railroading!<G>
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?67714
 
*This car was originally C&O's "TIDEWATER CLUB" (#2502)

HFM -  
 
Your writer has much difficulty with the complete debauchery of this splendid Car, once it no longer on B & O! For that matter,  
the entire L I RR policies at the time were more like pleasant recreational activities in an insane asylum, IMHO!
 
...........................Vern..........................
 
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #390 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 10:00am »
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Vern......
As your humble Norh Jersey writer has never resided in  key spots of sunny Cal-if-orn-eye-aye, I am subject to taking many "local" happenings at face value only!<G>
 
Yes, I know you've lived out there for sometime, so I know that you are more than capable of "telling it like it is", so to speak!
 
The "LARK" playing a minor role in area commutes?
 
Quite obviously!
 
However, SP's commuter operations out of SF were another matter....."Dashing Dan" a la SP!
 
Here was the "big time", so far as area rail commuting went (those big, brawny FM's were still doing the honors, back in 1969!)
 
You mentioned the Pennsy......
 
In Dorin's work, he states:
 
".........through trains play an imporant part in the suburban operations of the Penn Central.....each day, several through trains beween New York and Pittsburgh stop at Paoli, on the Harrisaburg line......"
 
".......commuters between Philadelphia and Wilmington, or Trenton, also have achoice of several through trains, such as the "CONGRESSIONALS"......"
 
Again, I'm only your humble reporter.....<G>
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #391 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 10:08am »
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on Apr 22nd, 2012, 9:47am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

HFM -  
 
Your writer has much difficulty with the complete debauchery of this splendid Car, once it no longer on B & O! For that matter,  
the entire L I RR policies at the time were more like pleasant recreational activities in an insane asylum, IMHO!
 
...........................Vern..........................
 
 

 
Vern.......
 
To be fair, a the VERY least, this grand and noble car was spared the cutting torch, when it went to the LIRR for parlor service!
 
Of course, the LIRR was NOT the B&O, and, most certainly, one could not realistically expect the same legendary level of high-quality outstanding service, that was a given on the B&O.
 
How could one possibly hope to compete, unless one were the SF?<G>
 
LIRR's "rolling museum" parlor fleet at that time, IMHO, was far more exciting and colorful than the world of boxy, bulky, lookalike monsters tha ply the LIRR rails these days......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #392 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 10:26am »
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LIRR heavyweight parlor #2035 "ONONDAGA CLUB", built by Pullman in 1930 (20 seat parlor-lounge); aquired from PRR in 1961 (#7030 "JOHN ADAMS")......
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/heavyweight_onondaga_club.html


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« Reply #393 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 10:33am »
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HFM -  
 
L I RR (and N J T for the matter) were in a time when both emulated the widely held notion of, "...places where elephants go to die..."!
In any case, it was hardly pretty!
 
It simply documented the complete absurdity and aimless nonsense of the suddenly appearing National Passenger Carrier! It simply  
"charged off" such huge numbers of perfectly acceptable longer haul equipment. Oh, yes, "Uncle Sap" was to provide everlasting funding,  
for whatever notions and fads which came into anyone's head!
 
So, best it could do was the ludicrous new collection of "high density seating" Coaches, best use as short haul commutes, yet new Cars  
went to long haul services? SIGH! The newly arrived enterprise has never had it together! (BTW. Current "High Speed Trolley exercise also  
a joke! It is said to carry such important riders, a few minutes off end to end time is vital! HA! Who actually rides Downtown to Downtown?)
 
...........................Vern..........................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #394 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 10:35am »
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"Museum Fleet" at Montauk, 1960's.....
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?42421


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #395 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 10:52am »
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Vern.....
 
Yes, good points, all......
 
Indeed, NJDOT and LIRR were quite the rail versions of the fabled "elephant's burial ground", many decades back.....one never knew just what "heritage unit" he would be riding in, on any given trip!
 
Recall, LIRR's parlor fleet came from far and near.....PRR, NH, B&O. UP, et all.
 
Note, too, that quite a number of cars came from former parent PRR.  
 
At the very least, these historic vehicles were given a brief reprieve, late in life.
 
Today, the cars would simply have been discarded by their original owners (recall, too, today's equipment barely reaches what used to be called "middle age", before they are retired!)
 
Too, we've discussed the ex-BN and GN cars, having old seats removed and new high-density seating installed, after going east to the CNJ.
 
Again, as discussed here earlier, it was clear that such rolling stock was NOT designed for high-density commuter operations, with only one vestibule entrance per side per car......dwell time at suburban stations during the rush hours is something to be minimized,  most especially during the peak periods!
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #396 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 11:27am »
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HFM -  
 
Oh, yes! And, now that you remind, again. Any of the "Coat Of Many Colors" trains were such a complete abomination before any god  
(who may wish to get involved in human frailties). And, No! None of the Cars looked any better in complete re-paints by any of the later  
operators! AFAIK, it was all "Mortal Sin" violations! (Local, MARC stuff a wonder!)
 
All inherited a great deal of very good equipment. They then proceeded to whine, and weren't happy to work with what they had...
 
...........................Vern.........................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #397 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 12:09pm »
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on Apr 22nd, 2012, 11:27am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)
HFM -  
 
Oh, yes! And, now that you remind, again. Any of the "Coat Of Many Colors" trains were such a complete abomination before any god  
(who may wish to get involved in human frailties). And, No! None of the Cars looked any better in complete re-paints by any of the later  
operators! AFAIK, it was all "Mortal Sin" violations! (Local, MARC stuff a wonder!)
 
All inherited a great deal of very good equipment. They then proceeded to whine, and weren't happy to work with what they had...
 
...........................Vern.........................

 
Vern.....
 
The "Trains of Many Colors"........here in NJ, these were known as "Jersey Builders".
 
Quite colorful indeed, but, traditional purist I am, I've much preferred solid consists of CNJ heavyweights, bearing the immortal title "JERSEY CENTRAL LINES" on their letterboards, although later B&O-inspired blue and gold did look quite nice!
 
Like yourself, I much preferred things "as they were", strictly old school......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #398 on: Apr 22nd, 2012, 12:33pm »
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Vern/All:
 
Detailed "family tree" on LIRR's heavyweight parlor fleet; these venerable old cars were retired by the early 70's.
 
Cars originally ran for a number of roads, including the DL&W, PRR, NYC, and LV......
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/page3.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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All:
 
A bit off-topic, here, but, I thought I'd relay an interesting item from "NEW HAVEN PASSENGER TRAINS", by Peter E. Lynch:
 
As the 60's progressed, more and more railroads cancelled their through trains, resulting in much surplus equipment, a good number of which went east for commuter service.
 
A glut of through runs across the nation were axed, after much of the mails were pulled from the trains, thus making such long-haul services highly uneconomical.
 
But, strangely enough, comes this tidbit from the aforementioned Lynch work, regarding the sad, sorry state of NH finances in the later years:
 
".......the Federal government even forced the Post Office to keep the mail on the New Haven, to provide extra income......"
 
"H.F.M."
 


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