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ClydeDET
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« Reply #360 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 11:31pm »
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on Apr 20th, 2012, 10:48pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Clyde:
 
No second-guessing engineer cab safety with these hulking monsters.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/milw/milw-e2v.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/milw/milw-e3arc.jpg
 

 
 
EP-2 Bipolars. No, they had plenty between the engineer and anything they hit. The EFs (except the EF-4 "Little Joes") had end-cabs, of course.


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« Reply #361 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 11:33pm »
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Trivia from the C&NW.....
 
The CN&W was the first railroad to incorporate a commuter car design into a long-distance passenger coach.
 
The "BILEVEL 400"  was identical in exterior appearance to the P-S double-deck commuter cars operated by the C&NW.
 
The only difference was in the interior seating arrangement; the "400" coaches seated 96 passengers, and could operate with commuter cars, if need be......
 
SOURCE: "COMMUTER RAILROADS", by Patrick C. Dorin
 
http://www.wheelsotime.com/bilevel-commute-coach/


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #362 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 1:30am »
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"Who was imitating who?".........
 
Following is a side view of one of the old LIRR double-deck MU cars, retired some 40-odd years back.
 
The prototype car, built about 1932, was an unpowered trailer, unlike the MU motors of the postwar years.
 
That car (now preserved) was the first rail car built of aluminum, a joint effort between the PIRR (which owned the LIRR at the time) and ALCOA.
 
I can recall AHM/RIVAROSSI offering HO Pullmans, where one side of the car was reminiscent of those of the LIRR double-deckers.
 
Was this a case of commuter equipment influencing Pullman design, or was it the other way around?
 
Appreciate any info on this little puzzle.....
 
"H.F.M."
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?43422


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #363 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 1:34am »
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See also.....
 
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/doubledecker.htm


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« Reply #364 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 8:42am »
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HFM -  
 
The two most recent items here? Ah, (and IMHO), don't read too much into it! Seems to me, tho I haven't seen  
the 1:87 (HO) AHM replica in years, wasn't this a "smooth side" design? Such the case, IIRC, it relied on  
PULLMAN "Duplex Roomette" floor plan.
 
Have we established builder of the LIRR Cars? PULLMAN did other aluminum work in same era...
 
........................Vern....................


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« Reply #365 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 8:51am »
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on Apr 20th, 2012, 7:33pm, ClydeDET wrote:       (Click here for original message)
You do know that the first PRR road electrics, the P-5s (I think P-5s) were end-cab, flat-faced units. And were revised into the P-5a with  
center cabs after at least one fatal collision, with the GG-1 carrying that on.

Clyde - HFM -  
 
On this one, see the books! This was very much corporate policy at PENN RR. The Order came from General Atterbury,  
who ran the line! Accounts he felt very strongly about looking out for interests of "his troops".
 
Recall, too, a number of the PRR P-5, P-5a types were set up and geared for high speed passenger service, too.
 
........................Vern...................


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« Reply #366 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 10:34am »
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HFM -  
 
See earlier: « Reply #359 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 11:11pm »
 
It is what left not said which of some importance. That is, Dearborn Station - Orland Park a WABASH service into 1964. Without doubt,  
Photo depicts later, post 1964, N & W Coach 1652, which belonged to the line...
 
Now, what we have here is a very late in the game PULLMAN upgrade of older, obsolete Cars. Note the Car 1652 apparently on six wheel  
trucks. This particular design came very late in the "upgrade" work. Dates to ca. 1930, just prior PULLMAN moving on to Streamline  
(Lightweight) designs.
 
Spotting features include the chrome plated, narrow profile window sash. AFAIK, the Cars did deliver with fairly modern interiors. Equipment  
Register notes with Electro-Mechanical Air Conditioning. IIRC, Cars seen on N&W, SOU, WM, NYNH&H, and possibly other properties.  
N & W reported as sixty-eight (68) seat Coaches.
 
..........................Vern....................
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #367 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 10:36am »
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on Apr 21st, 2012, 8:42am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)
HFM -  
 
The two most recent items here? Ah, (and IMHO), don't read too much into it! Seems to me, tho I haven't seen  
the 1:87 (HO) AHM replica in years, wasn't this a "smooth side" design? Such the case, IIRC, it relied on  
PULLMAN "Duplex Roomette" floor plan.
 
Have we established builder of the LIRR Cars? PULLMAN did other aluminum work in same era...
 
........................Vern....................

 
Vern......
 
According to one internet source:
 
"......just after WW2, the LIRR's parent, the PRR, designed and built 88 aluminum alloy, double-deck, MU commuter cars......."
 
Earlier LIRR MP-54's were built by several builders:
 
ACF
 
STANDARD STEEL
 
PRR-ALTOONA
 
(Source: ELECTRICLINES, March-April, 1991)
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #368 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 10:53am »
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Vern/All:
 
Earlier on in this thread, I had posted a number of links for the LIRR's parlor car fleet; these cars came from many railroads, all serving in some sort of through service before being aquired by the LIRR.
 
Many classic heavyweights ran out their last miles in LIRR parlor service.
 
The LIRR's "SUNRISE FLEET were interesting, in that they were rebuilt from the road's lightweight MP-72T MU's, which were barely broken in at that time, making way for the new M-1 fleet.
 
These cars had their electrical gear removed, and were converted into parlors, to replace the aging heavyweight stock.....
 
"H.F.M."
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/page5.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #369 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 11:45am »
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Throughout this thread, we've discussed the former GN cars that went east for commuter service on the CNJ; also, briefly, double-deck cars on the C&NW.
 
This page feaures both prototype and model photos of equipment from these roads, as well as those of others.....
 
http://www.trainweb.org/fredatsf/protopass5.htm


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« Reply #370 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 2:02pm »
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Vern/All:
 
Re: LIRR MP70 double-deck MU's.....
 
Vern and I were debating over the manufacturer of these unique cars; (excluding the unpowered 1932 prototype), I find myself leaning towards ACF, but, at the moment, cannot confirm this as being a concrete fact.
 
I had (in vain) searched for my well-worn copy of "ELECTRIC HERITAGE OF THE LIRR", as there was a good source of info on these vehicles.
 
As I had stated earlier, the earlier MP-54's were built by several manufacturers.
 
Hopefully, someone with more info at their fingertips can solve thiselusive little puzzler....
 
"H.F.M."


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LIRR LW parlor "MORICHES"(#2071), ex-NH #509 "LONG POINT" (P-S), 14 roomette/4DBR........
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/moriches.html


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« Reply #372 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 3:29pm »
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LIRR LW parlor "MORICHES"(#2071), ex-NH #509 "LONG POINT" (P-S), 14 roomette/4DBR........
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/moriches.html

HFM -  
 
In its persona as NYNH&H "LONG POINT" it a bit of an unexpected Car. The floor plan evidently worked well for riders in the Pullmans,  
on New Haven Sleeping Car lines...
 
.............................Vern.................


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HFM -  
 
In its persona as NYNH&H "LONG POINT" it a bit of an unexpected Car. The floor plan evidently worked well for riders in the Pullmans,  
on New Haven Sleeping Car lines...
 
.............................Vern.................

 
Vern:
 
See the following......
 
LIRR LW parlor #2077 "SEBONAC", built by P-S, ex-NH #529 "GROVE BEACH" (6 roomette/6 section/4 DBR); aquired by LIRR in 1969.....
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/sebonac.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #374 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 7:30pm »
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FEC tavern-longe/obs, built in 1947 by P-S; this car went to the LIRR in 1968, where it became the parlor car "APAQUOGUE".........
 
http://fpc.dos.state.fl.us/general/n038729.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #375 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 7:34pm »
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In the 70's, an ex-FEC observation ran on the NY&LB in CNJ consists (photo links of this car in NY&LB service earlier in this topic); here is the same car a Kenilworth, NJ, about 1984, a number of years after it was retired from commuter service.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/fec/fec-ob01dkg.jpg
 


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« Reply #376 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 7:55pm »
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"FEC tavern-longe/obs, built in 1947 by P-S;..."
 
Don't you mean, "built in 1947 by Budd"?  FEC had no PS tavern - lounge observations, only one 5 Double Bedroom - lounge observation.


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« Reply #377 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 8:03pm »
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on Apr 21st, 2012, 7:55pm, jmlaboda wrote:       (Click here for original message)
"FEC tavern-longe/obs, built in 1947 by P-S;..."
 
Don't you mean, "built in 1947 by Budd"?  FEC had no PS tavern - lounge observations, only one 5 Double Bedroom - lounge observation.

 
Correct!
 
I can't even read my own notes these days!
 
I was actually reading  notes for another car......gotta try to get some more sleep!
 
"H.F.M."


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LIRR parlor #2080 "SPEONK", built circa-1955 as NH 6 roomette/6 Section/4DBR "ROCKY NECK BEACH" (#535)
 
Aquired by the LIRR in 1969.......
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/speonk.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #379 on: Apr 21st, 2012, 8:47pm »
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Several vintage views of LIRR parlor cars (note ex-PRR and NH equipment).....
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?42667
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?42430
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?42408
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?42670
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?42412


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