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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #320 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 12:07am »
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Gentlemen:
 
An interesting bit from Patrick C. Dorin's "COMMUTER RAILROADS" (1969).....
 
".......one can find just about any type of passenger car or operation in commuter service as there is in long distance trains, except sleeping cars. Indeed, even long-distance passenger trains play a part in suburban services, and sleeping cars have been used in commuter trains during equipment shortages......"
 
In this book, there are also  many mentions of suburbanites availing themselves to through trains for their daily commutes, in various areas of the country.......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #321 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 12:41am »
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Main line commuter/rapid transit......appearances can be decieving....
 
1971 photo of one of CN's handsome heavyweight 4900-series commuter coaches.
 
Outwardly, it appears to be a typical heavyweight, once so commonplace.
 
Photos in "COMMUTER RAILROADS" (Dorin, 1969), show us that some of these cars had remodeled interiors, which were an unusual combination of main line commuter and rapid transit.
 
One end of the cars had rapid transit-style side seating installed, along with floor-to-ceiling piping for the convenience of standees.
 
Luggage racks were retained only over the standard seats.
 
Thus equipped, the 4900's could carry up to 95 passengers......
 
 
http://cnrphotos.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=55592


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #322 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 7:55am »
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on Apr 19th, 2012, 9:38pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Interesting, detailed page:"THE FAILURE OF THE AEROTRAIN"...
 
http://www.joesherlock.com/nwsltr24.html

HFM -  
 
The bonus here is the top of the page graphic, the Grif Teller PRR Calendar of 1956. Note the "Trailer Train" shown.  
Somehow, PRR Sales must have suggested to Teller to depict trailers shipped by several good motor carrier customers!
 
One needs to look forward in the train, to see two unmistakable PRR units.
 
AEROTRAIN? The less said, the better? PRR "toured" its set, just prior in service on PIT - PHL. A quite younger observer  
(such as myself) did a "walk thru" at BAL. Had these perceptions, more intuited and visceral that, once cutting past GM  
"hype" about it, the train with numerous shortcomings. Then, PRR actually ran it in service, and it just became worse!
 
.....................Vern.......................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #323 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 9:39am »
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Vern......
 
For all of its flashy looks, he AEROTRAIN was a creation best left to grace the pages of POPULAR SCIENCE and MECHANICS ILLUSRATED!<G>
 
Here again, we learned that, in most cases, the old "tried and true" has much going for it......and, if it ain't broke, DON'T fix it!
 
Note accounts where it was hoped that, once the trains went into commuter service, that, with slower speeds, the ride would be much smoother!
 
This, in itself, spoke many volumes!
 
As I had stated earlier, the basic RDC concept had things pretty well in hand.....
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #324 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 9:47am »
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Didn't the Rock Island end up with the Aerotrains and run them in Chicago-Joliet commuter service in the 1950s and 1960s?
 
I'm going to have to go digging for some photos now, since I think they did.
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #325 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 9:47am »
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Meanwhile....over on the NYC......another sinister experiment was being conducted......
 
Lesson learned?
 
The RDC was a hands-down winner as is......no "flights of fancy" embellishments were needed!<G>
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-m497bll.jpg
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_nycM497b.jpg


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« Reply #326 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 9:52am »
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As a matter of fact, the Rock Island did have the Aerotrains in commuter service:
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=77183
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=77184
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=48616
 
Just my contribution to the cause!
 
Have a good one, gents.
 
Alan


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #327 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 9:53am »
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on Apr 20th, 2012, 9:47am, photoman475 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Didn't the Rock Island end up with the Aerotrains and run them in Chicago-Joliet commuter service in the 1950s and 1960s?
 
I'm going to have to go digging for some photos now, since I think they did.
 

 
 
Alan:
 
You are correct.
 
As I had mentioned earlier, the AEROTRAIN sets went to the ROCK ISLAND, where they operated in commuter service until 1966.
 
This photo shows one of the sets operating along the Illinois River......
 
"H.F.M."
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/ri/ri4ark.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #328 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 9:58am »
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Early NJT-era NY&LB train at South Amboy, being hauled by an ex-CNJ GP-40.
 
Several roads are represented by its consist.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt4105brc.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #329 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 10:04am »
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Red Bank (NY&LB), 1979.
 
Firs three cars look to be ex-SF coaches.
 
Note that GP-40 has lost its CNJ markings, three years into Conrail.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt4100grc.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #330 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 10:07am »
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Alan.....
 
Once again, THANK YOU!
 
Appreciate your input!
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #331 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 10:14am »
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Cliffwood (N&LB), 1980.
 
Ex-CNJ GP-40 #4107 hauling a true "heritage train"; note that some ex-CNJ heavyweights still ventured onto the NY&LB, at this late date.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt4107drc.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #332 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 10:19am »
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Red Bank, 1979.
 
Another NY&LB "heritage train", bound for Newark.
 
Old CNJ SOUTHERN DIVISION (once used by the famed "BLUE COMET") is seen curving off to the right.
 
"BANK" tower was torn down around 1990...........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/njdot/njt4103grc.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #333 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 11:52am »
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HFM - Alan - All -  
 
The AEROTRAIN? SIGH! Definitely, folders in the Files, "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time!"? HFM, noted your earlier link to a critique.
 
The GM folks must have had "tunnel vision" about what was actually needed. So, a result full of numerous flaws. It all added up to that there  
wasn't much future in, "What Might Have Been" conjectures...
 
....................Vern....................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #334 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 12:16pm »
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on Apr 20th, 2012, 11:52am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)
HFM - Alan - All -  
 
The AEROTRAIN? SIGH! Definitely, folders in the Files, "It Seemed Like A Good Idea At The Time!"? HFM, noted your earlier link to a critique.
 
The GM folks must have had "tunnel vision" about what was actually needed. So, a result full of numerous flaws. It all added up to that there  
wasn't much future in, "What Might Have Been" conjectures...
 
....................Vern....................

 
Vern......
 
Like they say: ".......it seemed like a good idea a the time...."<G>
 
Here again, with so much "tried and true" technology already cutting the mustard at the time, the very concept of such a frivilous (albiet eye-cactching) unit was simply so much wasted time, money, and effort......
 
"H.F.M."


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« Reply #335 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 12:20pm »
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on Apr 20th, 2012, 12:16pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Vern......
 
Like they say: ".......it seemed like a good idea a the time...."<G>
 
Here again, with so much "tried and true" technology already cutting the mustard at the time, the very concept of such a frivilous (albiet eye-cactching) was simply so much wasted time, money, and effort......
 
"H.F.M."

 
Well, at least (sort of) "it seemed like a good idea at the time" didn't kill anybody. Unlike the M-114, if we'd ever gone to war with the fool things in inventory...


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« Reply #336 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 12:26pm »
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Clyde -  
 
Had a parallel thought on it. What if the deal had started as a prime contract for the military? It would have been improved  
and modified until the cows returned to home base, at least! <G>
 
..........................Vern......................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #337 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 12:31pm »
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"Through commuter" revisited.....
 
Recall, in the late 60's, the state-of-the-art METROLINER's tublar design set the stage for the future AMFLEET stock.
 
Though the METROLINER was a "through" train (NYC-DC), many commuting businessmen availed themselves to this train; though, of course, sleeping cars were not needed, this was still a "through" train, yet sill carrying "commuters".
 
Though some today might also think of the original MU "METROLINER" was a mere "flash in the pan", its overall concept and design was less radical than the GM "AEROTRAIN".
 
Again, it all boils down to a matter of opinion.
 
IMHO, the GG-1's of that era seemed to be doing pretty well with "high-speed" NEC runs at the time, without any "outside help"........<G>


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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See also.....
 
http://www.hebners.net/amtrak/amtMETRO.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #339 on: Apr 20th, 2012, 12:38pm »
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Baltimore, 1978......
 
http://www.hebners.net/amtrak/amtMETRO/amt800b.jpg


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