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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #300 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 2:26pm »
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on Apr 19th, 2012, 1:50pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
RDG Budds on the CNJ near Bound Brook, 1970's.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/rdg/rdg9165kga.jpg

HFM -  
 
Here we go again with another "REFRESHMENT CAR" dilemma! May be Nature's Way of telling us we need at least one of the authoritative books?
 
Note, with RDG, compare with ROCK ISLAND. The "Baggage Door" placement completely different.
 
Side Note: Something of an open secret that the way ROCK ISLAND ran theirs, it was a case of, "...rode hard and put away wet!..."?
 
......................Vern.....................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #301 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 3:06pm »
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Vern.....
 
Yep, things can get more than a wee bit interesting, if one studies the subtle details of vintage photos in an astute manner!
 
Nearly 25 years back, I purchased a vintage HO scale RDG Budd, which feaures the same baggage door placement as we've seen in the photos.
 
Art imitating life?<G>
 
Consulted my copy of ""READING COMPANY IN COLOR: VOLUME 1", by Jeremy F. Plant; no photos of any similiar equipment.
 
However, as I mentioned earlier, I do know that RDC's could be seen holding down the Philly-Jersey City runs on weekends, prior to Aldene (1967).
 
One photo in "JERSEY CITY WESTBOUND" (by John Henderson), shows such a train, a two-car consist, at W.8th St. in Bayonne, heading for Jersey City.
 
Lead unit was being run with the baggage compartment facing the rear, in this view.....
 
"H.F.M"


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #302 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 3:14pm »
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Another ex-RDG Budd train a Bound Brook, 1981.
 
By the time of this photo, the last vestiges of the CRUSADER and the WALL STREET were living on borrowed time......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/rdg/rdg-r9186kga.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #303 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 3:34pm »
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on Apr 19th, 2012, 3:14pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Another ex-RDG Budd train a Bound Brook, 1981.
 
By the time of this photo, the last vestiges of the CRUSADER and the WALL STREET were living on borrowed time......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/rdg/rdg-r9186kga.jpg

HFM -  
 
See that! One of our "old friends" at the RDG! This one, also displays "REFRESHMENT CAR". Also, see the "Baggage Door" area.  
Note by trim above the location, it was built with an operable door in mind. See the other door. BUDD apparently favored a sliding,  
"pocket door" design. Here, the "Baggage Door" area appears to have been re-worked.
 
Worth repeating, I guess? The BUDD RDC a simply superb piece of US Engineering of the time. B & O ran its own tests, knew and  
proved that, out on the line, open 'em up, and they could be very quick. With the "Jimmy" Diesels, they sounded like GREYHOUND  
coaches, but that's another story! I have doubts they can ever be replicated. A change? Put larger CAT motors in them...
 
........................Vern.....................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #304 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 3:42pm »
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Vern....
 
Concur, 100% my friend!<G>
 
Without a doubt, the RDC was indeed one of the greatest "unsung heroes" in postwar railroading!
 
There was virtually nothing that these humble vehicles could not do!
 
Suburban commuter, through line, shuttles, excursions......indeed, quite the proverbial "jack of all trades"!
 
As to "refreshment" service on the RDG units, again, it would seem a feature best suited to the lengthy runs between Reading erminal and Jersey City.
 
I had planned to take some photos at Newark of these fine cars before service was abandoned, but, as to be expected, never got around to it......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #305 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 3:47pm »
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Schematics for the RDC-4......
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/buddRDC4.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #306 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 3:55pm »
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Also of interest......
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/budd5906.jpg
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bm6201.jpg
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cn6352.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #307 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 3:59pm »
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CN #6450; this historic car is the last surviving RDC-4......
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cn6450.jpg


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« Reply #308 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 4:03pm »
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Although it is seeming like the subject of the thread is straying a little with all the posts about the RDCs in commuter service I thought I would mention the proper chain of custody for ATSF DC-191.
 
It was sold to the B&O after being retired by the Santa Fe, where it received a blue cab end because the quality of red paint the Santa Fe used simply could not be removed easily...
http://rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=70942
 
After B&O retired the car it was sold to PA Train, where it again received a red cab (in place of the B&O blue one) and a red letterboard...
http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?november06/11-01-06/B+O9918atMcKeesportPA2-23-81SZ.jpg
 
From PaTrain the car was acquired by MARC, which used it for parts.  This is from whom the current preservation group acquired the car from.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #309 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 4:22pm »
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on Apr 19th, 2012, 4:03pm, jmlaboda wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Although it is seeming like the subject of the thread is straying a little with all the posts about the RDCs in commuter service I thought I would mention the proper chain of custody for ATSF DC-191.
 
It was sold to the B&O after being retired by the Santa Fe, where it received a blue cab end because the quality of red paint the Santa Fe used simply could not be removed easily...
http://rrpicturearchives.net/locoPicture.aspx?id=70942
 
After B&O retired the car it was sold to PA Train, where it again received a red cab (in place of the B&O blue one) and a red letterboard...
http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?november06/11-01-06/B+O9918atMcKeesportPA2-23-81SZ.jpg
 
From PaTrain the car was acquired by MARC, which used it for parts.  This is from whom the current preservation group acquired the car from.

 
Jerry.....
 
Appreciate this info.....thank you!
 
Yes, we have strayed a bit from the original topic......but, it was quite easy to do so, given the fact that the RDC's could very well be used as both "commuter" and "through" equipment.
 
As you've seen, we had been discussing the RDG Budds that were used in "through" service between Philadelphia and Jersey City (Newark after 1967).
 
Again, most think of RDC's as "commuter" cars, when, in fact, they often operated long-haul services as well.
 
Ya just gotta love this stuff.......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #310 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 4:27pm »
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Earlier on, we'd discussed ex-MOPAC cars going east to the CNJ for commuter service; here is what appears to be a builders photo of a MOPAC lightweight.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/acfx/mp-co830asw.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #311 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 4:32pm »
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See also......
 
http://screamingeagles.rrarchives.com/other/r_merrick/merrick_012-096/62_11AUG.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #312 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 4:45pm »
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on Apr 19th, 2012, 3:55pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Also of interest......
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/budd5906.jpg
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/bm6201.jpg
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cn6352.jpg

HFM -  
 
Great selection. In two of the three views, it shows how BUDD built the "Baggage Door" in its work.
 
Jerry -  
 
Well, yes, we do appear to have run down some branch lines. How the railroads dealt with much of the "commute" moves a  
study unto itself. So to suggest: A pair of BUDD Cars running some branch is moral equivalent of the latter day NJT Trains?  
The latter look like Southern schedules of years back, somehow went astray and taking some leave time at Wildwood? <G>
 
......................Vern....................
 


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« Reply #313 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 6:45pm »
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MONON coach #41, 1963......
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/monon41.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #314 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 6:50pm »
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Preserved example of one of the second-hand through line coaches that went on to carry commuters in New Jersey in their later years.....
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_nj_coach.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #315 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 6:53pm »
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1970's view of CNJ coach #278  at Philipsburg.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/cnj/cnj-co278ags.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #316 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:12pm »
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"Through line" Stillwells differed from their older suburban bretheren on the ERIE, as they featured more modern appointments and vestibule traps.
 
In later years, their handsome two-tone green paint was particularly eye-catching.
 
Cars like these were common sights on ERIE through trains, even into the E-L era.
 
As more and more of E-L's through services were abandoned, these cars found themselves carrying commuters out of Hoboken.
 
This scene is at Port Jervis, NY.
 
My first Stillwell ride was aboard one of these classic coaches, 50-odd years back.......
 
http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/erie2661.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #317 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 9:20pm »
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From "through" to "commuter", futuristic 50's style......
 
So much a product of the "futuristic 50's", the flamboyant, fanciful GM "AEROTRAIN" was thought to be the gleaming, glittering future of long-distance passenger trains.
 
These trains operated on both the NYC and the PRR; on the UP, folks could taste the future aboard the "CITY OF LAS VEGAS" Aerotrain.
 
After all the hoopla and gala publicity faded, the modernistic trainsets were sold to the ROCK ISLAND, where they were relegated to commuter service out of Chicago until 1966.
 
An most interesting concept, to be sure, but, they just should have stuck with the tried-and-true Budd RDC!<G>
 
http://www.discoverlivesteam.com/magazine/31/31.html
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #318 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 9:25pm »
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See also.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/ri/ri4ark.jpg
 
http://www.carofthecentury.com/the_aerotrain.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #319 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 9:38pm »
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Interesting, detailed page:"THE FAILURE OF THE AEROTRAIN".
 
(model video at bottom of page)........
 
http://www.joesherlock.com/nwsltr24.html


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