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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #280 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 12:03am »
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on Apr 18th, 2012, 2:40pm, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)
HFM -  
 
In the RDC Photos, the RDG 3066, 9166 a bit of an unusual one. By its lines, it suggests with initial build, it in service as BAGG/ RPO/ COACH?
Later "mod" into its REFRESHMENT CAR role?
 
.........................Vern.......................

 
Vern:
 
See following link.....
 
http://www.ask.com/wiki/Daylight_Speedliner
 
Note that the lead RDC-2 was configured by the B&O as a combination dining car/baggage/coach, equipped with a kitchen and six tables, offering full meal service.
 
1961 B&O TT had car listed as "REFRESHMENT DINER"......
 
"H.F.M."
 
* When discussing RDC's, one usually first thinks of them in short-haul, commuter-type services; note here, that, RDC's operated between Baltimore and Pittsburgh, a 333-mile journey, taking 7 hours.
 
Certainly, this was not a CNJ run out of Jersey City for Raritan!<G>
 
Also of interest:
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/Locopicture.aspx?id=135253


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jmlaboda
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« Reply #281 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 12:11am »
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"didn't this necessitate turning  the train set or at least the lead unit at some point?"
 
No.  Having two cab units on each end meant that it would not have to be turned.  Sadly two of the RDCB coaches were destroyed in a wreck, leaving only the two RDCAs and one RDCB.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #282 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 12:21am »
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on Apr 19th, 2012, 12:11am, jmlaboda wrote:       (Click here for original message)
"didn't this necessitate turning  the train set or at least the lead unit at some point?"
 
No.  Having two cab units on each end meant that it would not have to be turned.  Sadly two of the RDCB coaches were destroyed in a wreck, leaving only the two RDCAs and one RDCB.

 
Jerry:
 
As I had stated earlier, this is exactly the reason why RDG's "CRUSADER" and "WALL STREET" became exclusive RDC trains, after the Aldene Plan of 1967 stopped all CNJ and RDG service to Jersey City.
 
As there were no turning facilities for locomotives at Harrison, the double-ended RDC's were the obvious choice for the aforementioned trains, which were discontinued in the early 1980's.
 
NH's "jazzed up RDC" ROGER WILLIAMS, with its distinctive cab-unit nose would have simply used the reversal loops at GCT for reversal......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #283 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 12:53am »
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A number of historic LIRR RDC-2 photos here.....
 
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/lirr_rdc.htm
 
See also.....
 
http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/Budd/east_ender.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #284 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 3:05am »
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on Apr 19th, 2012, 12:01am, TAB wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Gents....I was always flumoxed by the design features of the Roger Williams.What was the point of having an F style cab?...didn't this necessitate turning  the train set or at least the lead unit at some point?.>>>>Tom

 
Tom:
 
The "ROGER WILLIAMS" was indeed in a class unto itself, as is certainly obvious!
 
As I had mentioned to Jerry, if this dual-powered train operated into GCT, reversing direction would have been no problem, as the consist would have simply used the reversal loops.
 
The cab-style nose on this train was indeed quite unusual, but it bore somewhat of a family resemblence to the "JOHN QUINCY ADAMS" and the"DAN'L WEBSTER".
 
These last two trains were articulated TALGO trainsets, based upon an ACF demonstrator that toured the NH in 1954.
 
The "DAN'L WEBSTER" was equipped with a Baldwin-Hamilton-Lima locomotive on each end, and had nine Pullman-Standard coaches, eight of which were paired.
 
The "JOHN QUINCY ADAMS" had two F-M engines, and five three-unit cars built by ACF.......
 
(INFO SOURCE: "NEW HAVEN PASSENGER TRAINS", by Peter E. Lynch)
 
*IMPORTANT LATE NOTE:
 
*Closer photo studying and research has shown me that the "ROGER WILLIAMS" was indeed a double-ended trainset, so, regardless of end-of-line facilities, reversal would not have been a problem.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #285 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 3:17am »
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The "DAN'L WEBSTER".
 
After only brief service on the NH, it was sold to Jones Tours for excursion runs.
 
However, after many years of storage in South Carolina, it was scrapped sometime around 1970......
 
http://www.nhrhta.org/htdocs/images1299.htm


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #286 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 8:22am »
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on Apr 19th, 2012, 12:01am, TAB wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Gents....I was always flumoxed by the design features of the Roger Williams.What was the point of having an F style cab?...didn't this necessitate  
turning  the train set or at least the lead unit at some point?.>>>>Tom

Tom -  
 
I thought it widely known why it was done that way. Not really talked up much, but... CREW PROTECTION!
 
Original RDC Car design, to a point, simply brought forward thinking of the earlier Diesel/ Electric motor cars (ex. EMC),  
used on slower paced services on branches, with some main line exposure. Always the risks of grade crossing incidents.
 
Related, in much of my own riding of RDC Cars, and PRR MP-54 electrics, noted a widespread "survival skill" practice.  
The door between the operating cabin, and the main car floor, was rarely ever locked! Time saved in getting past the door  
could prove life saving...
 
ROGER WILLIAMS concept took it to the "next level". Here was a design for high speed, main line use. Raised the stakes  
in the game, and crew protection a requirement (and, in fact, more of a railroad management mandate)...
 
MISC: Had to get a laugh from photo (in one of the links) of B & O 9940, with notable plumes of black smoke! Yes, DETROIT  
DIESEL motors will do that, with faulty fuel injectors.
 
In past few years, an agency in Dallas had a group of restored RDC units. On rebuild, must have had some old "muscle car"  
freaks. The units now with newer, stronger CUMMINS Power (IIRC)! I woulda' specced "CATS" myself, but it is all personal taste...
 
...........................Vern........................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #287 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 10:25am »
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All:
 
As I had stated earlier, the RDC was indeed a wonderful "jack of all trades", versatile in just about any situation.
 
Regarding "through" RDC service........
 
CANADIAN NATIONAL operated RDC's in suburban service, but the type were not strictly restricted to tha type of operation.
 
The CNR operated 19 RDC-1's and 8 RDC-3's, many of which having been equipped with snack bars.
 
From Patrick C. Dorin's "COMMUTER RAILROADS" (1969):
 
".......the CANADIAN NATIONAL is always alert in any way in which idle equipment may be put to use,  The RDC's are quite useful....."
 
The CNR RDC's would also operate in "through suburban" service, such as when they were part of as long distance train which stops in suburban territory, such as on the line to St. Hyacinthe.
 
The CP rostered 54 RDC's:
 
24 RDC-1
 
22 RDC-2
 
5 RDC-3
 
3 RDC-4
 
Though most were used in Montreal suburban service, a number of others were assigned to long distance runs out of Toronto, Halifax, Sudbury, Calgary, and Victoria.......
 
"H.F.M."
 


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #288 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 10:35am »
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Also from the pages of "COMMUTER RAILROADS".......
 
"........the B&M also operated RDC's extensively on most of their through train operations, during the last years of such service........"
 
".......the mileage beween Boston and Portland, Maine is only 115.0 miles, shorter by 2.4 miles than the 117.4 New York-Montauk LIRR suburban run......."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #289 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 10:44am »
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A handsome CNR RDC-4.
 
When baggage and mail services were no longer available, the roads tha operated this type of RDC would cannabilize hem for parts, to keep the "passenger only" fleet of RDC's in operation......
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1081238


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #290 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 10:53am »
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Excellent site dedicated to the legendary RDC.....
 
http://www.budd-rdc.org


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #291 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 10:55am »
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"THE FIVE TYPES OF BUDD RDC's".....
 
http://www.budd-rdc.org/rdctypes.html


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #292 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 11:33am »
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on Apr 19th, 2012, 10:44am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
A handsome CNR RDC-4.
 
When baggage and mail services were no longer available, the roads that operated this type of RDC would cannabilize hem for parts, to keep the "passenger only" fleet of RDC's in operation......
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1081238

HFM -  
 
1) Picky exception here? It wasn't the "Baggage" the problem. The space used daily for "Express" shipments. Mail? Within Canada? Who knows?
 
2) Long Haul RDC runs? Either ROCK ISLAND, Memphis - Amarillo, possibly into Tucumcari, NM (refs ambiguous), or, WESTERN PACIFIC,  
Salt Lake City - Oakland. With the first, rolling past corn and soy bean field and cattle ranches. The latter, rolling past a great deal of desert! Well,  
Oroville, CA to Stockton - Livermore - Oakland could keep one on their toes...
 
..........................Vern.......................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #293 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 12:40pm »
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Vern.....
 
Recall, too, the SP's only RDC ("The Pocket Streamliner", its official name in TT's), operating between Oakland Mole and Sacramento (85.5 miles)......
 
"H.F.M."
 
http://www.sunnyfortuna.com/railroad/images/nwp22.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #294 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 12:54pm »
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Ex-ROCK ISLAND Budd at the old CNJ shops (1970's) at Elizabethport, being used for spare parts, for CNJ's own ailing RDC fleet.....
 
http://www.thebluecomet.com/cnjrockislandRDCeport.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #295 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 12:59pm »
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Today preserved, ex-SF Budd DC-191 once operated for PAT and MARC.......
 
http://www.budd-rdc.org/articles/atsf-dc191.html


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« Reply #296 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 1:38pm »
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on Apr 19th, 2012, 12:54pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ex-ROCK ISLAND Budd at the old CNJ shops (1970's) at Elizabethport, being used for spare parts, for CNJ's own ailing RDC fleet.....
 
http://www.thebluecomet.com/cnjrockislandRDCeport.jpg

HFM -  
 
Note the ex ROCK ISLAND resembles the READING Car. See same kind of appearance of what must have been  
"Baggage and Express" door. Also, it reports "RPO" section immediately behind control platform...
 
.........................Vern.....................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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See also.....
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=949197


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #298 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 1:48pm »
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Vern......
 
Two more views (albiet quite depressing) of the ex-ROCK ISLAND RDC at the CNJ's E'port shops (looks to be an ex-MOPAC coach at one end)......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/ri/ri-rdc00akg.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/ri/ri-rdc00bkg.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #299 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 1:50pm »
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RDG Budds on the CNJ near Bound Brook, 1970's.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/rdg/rdg9165kga.jpg


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