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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #260 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 1:30pm »
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RDG Budd set at the now-gone CNJ coach yard at Harrison, 1976.
 
Note sealed-off baggage door and "REFRESHMENT CAR" plaque on lead unit....
 
Appears to be ex-MOPAC (CNJ) equipment in the background.....
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?43706


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #261 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 1:35pm »
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The same RDG Budd consist, deadheading past PATH's Harrison station....
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?43707


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #262 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 1:37pm »
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An earlier view (1969) of RDG Budds at Harrison......
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?43705


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #263 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 1:50pm »
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Ex-RDG Budds at Bound Brook (CNJ), 1981.
 
Note SEPTA heralds......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/rdg/rdg-r9164kga.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #264 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 2:04pm »
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Ex-RDG Budds at West Trenton, 1981.
 
At the time of this photo, service beween Newark and Philadelphia (Reading Terminal) was living on borrowed time.
 
As mentioned earlier, prior to the Aldene Plan of 1967, RDG's CRUSADER and WALL STREET terminated at the CNJ ferry terminal in Jersey City.
 
After the Aldene Plan went into effect, all service was rerouted to Penn Station, Newark......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/rdg/rdg-r3066ags.jpg
 


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #265 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 2:40pm »
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HFM -  
 
In the RDC Photos, the RDG 3066, 9166 a bit of an unusual one. By its lines, it suggests with initial build, it in service as BAGG/ RPO/ COACH?
Later "mod" into its REFRESHMENT CAR role?
 
.........................Vern.......................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #266 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 3:07pm »
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on Apr 18th, 2012, 2:40pm, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)
HFM -  
 
In the RDC Photos, the RDG 3066, 9166 a bit of an unusual one. By its lines, it suggests with initial build, it in service as BAGG/ RPO/ COACH?
Later "mod" into its REFRESHMENT CAR role?
 
.........................Vern.......................

 
Vern......
 
Yes, I concur with your views, here.
 
Early on, in the days of mail and checked baggage, this design would have been put to good use.
 
But, in later years, with both baggage and mail services long gone, it would have made sense to convert this area into additional passenger areas; in Patrick C. Dorin's "COMMUTER RAILROADS", there is a photo of the interior of a B&O RDC-2, tha had been equipped a kitchen and booths for food and bar service.
 
Later on, these furnishings were removed,  and replaced with 24 reclining seas and 24 bench-type seats.
 
In the summer of 1968, the B&O experimented with  bar service on their Washington commuter runs.
 
By October of that year, however, this service was eliminated, as it became too cosly to continue......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #267 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 3:25pm »
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B&O RDC-2 #1972 operating solo at Washington, 1969.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-r1972goa.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #268 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 3:33pm »
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B&O RDC-2 #1961, snapped back in 1966 (note "SpeedLiner" insignia).....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-rdc1961ads.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #269 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 3:36pm »
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Same unit at McKeesport, Pa, 1957......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-rdc1961abr.jpg


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HwyHaulier
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« Reply #270 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 3:45pm »
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on Apr 18th, 2012, 3:25pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
B&O RDC-2 #1972 operating solo at Washington, 1969.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/bo/bo-r1972goa.jpg

HFM -  
 
Something of an out of the ordinary Photo! Before the 1969 date, there was a known "bug" in the B & O signaling system. That is,  
the track detection circuits were known as not reliable on moves of single units. By 1969, we should assume there had been a fix?
 
Older Photos invariably show pairs of cars. The short lived, Phila. - Pittsburgh, Daylight Speedliner done with three car sets...
(IMHO, remains a better idea than PRR and its Aerotrain?)
 
..............................Vern.........................


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #271 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 3:59pm »
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Vern......
 
Yes, I do recall you mentioning "bugs" in B&O signalling system (pre-1969), regarding the operation of single units.
 
Agreed.....the ever-versatile RDC's certainly would have been a more common sense option that the fanciful (yet intriguing) AEROTRAIN........no "special order" parts to give management a headache, when things go awry!<G>
 
Here again, RDC's were flexible enough to be used in both commuter and through service; the RDG used theirs in both Philly-area commuter service, and the later-era CRUSADER/WALL STREET "through" assignments.
 
Even prior to the Aldene Plan of 1967, it was not at all uncommon to see RDC's holding down the latter two schedules, on the weekends, when service to Jersey City (via the CNJ) was still operating.
 
Though CNJ's Budd fleet were, by, and large, used only within the busy commuter districts, they were also used on certain "CLOCKER" runs, such as Train #104, back in the late 50's/early 60's......
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #272 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:17pm »
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Gentlemen:
 
As we've briefly discussed RDC's on the longer-haul runs......
 
Recall NH's "THE ROGER WILLIAMS", a "deluxe" RDC train, whose most disinctive spotting feaure was the "diesel nose" on the lead unit.
 
This train, like NH's FL-9's, was dual-powered, and could also operate into GCT via third rail.
 
In later years, this train was split up, with some of its cars remaining in local service beween Providence and Boston........
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #273 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:20pm »
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An early shot of the "RODGER WILLIAMS" *.........
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/nh/nh-rdc-ark.jpg
 
*Norm:
 
Just imagine this baby in full SF "Warbonnet" regalia.....(!!)


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #274 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:30pm »
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No longer a glitzy, flashy eye-catcher, the lead unit of the "ROGER WILLIAMS" is seen here at Boston in 1972, now sporting the PC's "mating worms" on the nose.
 
Note that this unit is running with a "conventional" RDC......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/pc/pc-R141dsa.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/pc/pc0141dsa.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #275 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 8:00pm »
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The lead unit of the "ROGER WILLIAMS", today preserved, once again wearing the distinctive, handsome livery of the NH......
 
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic/?2001112414153632391.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #276 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 8:13pm »
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Also of interest......
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/Locopicture.aspx?id=88651
 
http://www.nhrhta.org/htdocs/images0109.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #277 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 10:03pm »
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An interesting note on NH "through commuter" service, from Patrick C. Dorin's "COMMUTER RAILROADS"......
 
".......the New Haven region of the Penn Central also operates a commuter train beween New London and New Haven. For many years, NH Train #401 carried a through coach (New London to New York) which was tacked onto "THE BANKERS" from Springfield at New Haven......."
 
"......those commuters from  Madison, Guilford, Branford, etc. had a through ride to Grand Central. Today (1969), however, the New Haven-New London commuter is equipped with an RDC-1, and Grand Central-bound suburbanites must now change a New Haven.....":


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #278 on: Apr 18th, 2012, 11:31pm »
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Bygone ads recalling the optimisim of postwar streamlining on the rails; note the "ROGER WILLIAMS".
 
(Hey, Norm: You've even got the SANTA FE on this page!)
 
http://www.nhrhta.org/htdocs/images0605.htm


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TAB
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« Reply #279 on: Apr 19th, 2012, 12:01am »
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Gents....I was always flumoxed by the design features of the Roger Williams.What was the point of having an F style cab?...didn't this necessitate turning  the train set or at least the lead unit at some point?.>>>>Tom

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