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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #160 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 1:17am »
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Ex-SANTA FE coaches in E-L commuter service at Waldwick, 1970......
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/njdot/njt-co3083ajh.jpg
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/njdot/njt-co3083bjh.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #161 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 1:23am »
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A somber light illuminates this depressing scene of the "deadline" at Port Morris Jct., 1988.
 
Classic examples of historic through line and commuter equipment, left to the capricious whims of nature and the senseless activities of vandals.....
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/njdot/njt-pmdl-aca.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #162 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 1:26am »
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A grimy (ex-SANTA FE?) coach; note CNJ "Liberty" insignia......
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/njdot/njt-coach-kga.jpg


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« Reply #163 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 1:52am »
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on Apr 14th, 2012, 1:17am, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ex-SANTA FE coaches in E-L commuter service at Waldwick, 1970......
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/njdot/njt-co3083ajh.jpg
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/njdot/njt-co3083bjh.jpg

 
 
Seeing these prewar ATSF Chair Cars got me to thinking-- they were built by Budd in 1937.  Since this is 2012, these cars, if any still exist, are now 75 years old.  Their construction at Philadelphia is now 75 years in the past.
 
When they were being bult in 1937, President Lincoln's signing of the Pacific Railway Act in 1862 was . . . only 75 years in the past . . .
 
 
Suddenly, I'm feeling reeeeeee-ally old . . .
 
Norm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #164 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 2:29am »
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on Apr 14th, 2012, 1:52am, Norm_Anderson wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
Seeing these prewar ATSF Chair Cars got me to thinking-- they were built by Budd in 1937.  Since this is 2012, these cars, if any still exist, are now 75 years old.  Their construction at Philadelphia is now 75 years in the past.
 
When they were being bult in 1937, President Lincoln's signing of the Pacific Railway Act in 1862 was . . . only 75 years in the past . . .
 
 
Suddenly, I'm feeling reeeeeee-ally old . . .
 
Norm

 
Norm.....
 
Yep, it's hard to believe that such sleek, modern equipment is now 75 years old!
 
My folks had only been married two years, in 1937!
 
These cars were at least 30 years of age when they went east to the E-L in the 60's.....these were HARDLY new cars, by any stretch of the imagination!
 
It's all the more fun when you consider that the newest of the ex-ERIE Stillwell coaches were only several years older than the ex-SF cars!
 
To the E-L commuters of the era, I'm sure, the ex-SF cars looked quite up-to-date and modern, especially when compared to the elderly, open-vestibule "Boontons" (locally known as "Wyatt Erps"!) and Stillwells (some of which still retained their original window arches!) they were riding in at the time!
 
On the CNJ, the newest passenger equipment operating in the 60's were the RDC's!
 
Only a few more years would elapse before a number of ex-BN and GN cars headed east to the CNJ, to make up colorful trains known as "Jersey Builders".
 
Commuter railroading was once quite fascinating, before it all became so homoginized, sterilized, and pastuerized......I know.....for I, too, was there.....
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #165 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 2:45am »
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Norm.....
 
Scroll down this page; you'll find a "how to" article on modeling the ex-SF cars that went east to the E-L.......
 
"H.F.M."
 
http://www.20thcenturyhobbies.com/trainnut/ModelingEL/Modeling3.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #166 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 3:15pm »
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Here, lettered for the "GREEN MOUNTAIN RAILWAY", is one of the ex-SANTA FE/NJDOT cars.
 
(Yes, Norm, some of these historic cars STILL survive today!) ........
 
http://photos.nerail.org/showpic?2005022012393015530.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #167 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 3:24pm »
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See also...........
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1416405


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« Reply #168 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 3:53pm »
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on Apr 14th, 2012, 1:52am, Norm_Anderson wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
Seeing these prewar ATSF Chair Cars got me to thinking-- they were built by Budd in 1937.  Since this is 2012, these cars, if any still exist, are now 75 years old.  Their construction at Philadelphia is now 75 years in the past.
 
When they were being bult in 1937, President Lincoln's signing of the Pacific Railway Act in 1862 was . . . only 75 years in the past . . .
 
 
Suddenly, I'm feeling reeeeeee-ally old . . .
 
Norm

 
 
Probability is that rebuilt or replaced tricks and draft gear and brake system service (and application of retention toilets..) would have those cars interchange ready right now. That is the all-stainless, Shot-welded Budd cars. You'd likely need to spend quite a bit on systems and interior fitments to make them fit for use in hauling people, though.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #169 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 4:10pm »
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Gentlemen:
 
Consider, too, that when the SANTA FE cars entered commuter service in New Jersey, they found themselves in a service they clearly were not designed for.
 
Consider the braking system; when these cars were operating on long-haul SF runs, there were long distances between many station stops; on the E-L, the suburban stops were close together, resulting in frequent stops, which translated into much harder wear on the braking system.
 
Too, as I discussed earlier, as these cars (like the ex-BN and GN coaches) had only one door per side, unlike the "standard" commuter cars with two vestibule entrances per car; this, of course, increased dwell time at stations, something NOT conducive to tight scheduling during the rush-hours.....
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #170 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 4:17pm »
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Here is #3101 (another GREEN MOUNTAIN ex-SF/NJDOT coach) at Binghamton, NY, in 2008......
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1416403


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #171 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 4:23pm »
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Also at Binghamton.....
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1416404


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #172 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 6:43pm »
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The INDIANA TRANSPORTATION MUSEUM (at the time this site was last updated) was home to 14 of the 30 SF/NJDOT coaches.
 
These historic cars were also among the first built with a/c as standard equipment......
 
http://www.itm.org/buddcoach.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #173 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 10:14pm »
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Today part of the ARIZONA RAILWAY MUSEUM collection, ex-SF "DIABLO CANYON" is another of the cars that went to the NJDOT.
 
Interestingly, she is the oldest AMTRAK certified and operable Budd-built car in the country........
 
http://www.azrymuseum.org/Projects/Diablo_Canyon/Diablo_Canyon.htm


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #174 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 10:21pm »
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Don't miss this excellent page.....
 
http://www.azrymuseum.org/trip_reports/Kenny_Rhoads/Kenny1/Kenny1.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #175 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 10:27pm »
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Also of interest..........
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23711298@N07/3846634362/


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #176 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 10:34pm »
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See also.....
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=877343


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #177 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 10:45pm »
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Another interesting page, including some photos and info on the "DIABLO CANYON".
 
The unit is now in private car (lounge) configuration.....
 
http://www.arizonarails.com/Ride_On_The_Federal.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #178 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 11:55am »
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Came across this in my files.....
 
http://azrymuseum.org/roster/Diablo_Canyon/Diablo_Canyon.JPG


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #179 on: Apr 15th, 2012, 8:29pm »
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More photos of "DIABLO CANYON" ......a long, long way from E-L rails!
 
(note the new solarium windows)...........
 
http://www.azrymuseum.org/trip_reports/Kenny_Rhoads/Kenny2/Kenny2.html


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