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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #140 on: Apr 13th, 2012, 6:30pm »
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A somewhat scruffy-looking ex-SOUTHERN E8 at the former CNJ shops at Elizabethport.
 
Though the unit is still lettered for the SOUTHERN, the original number and a portion of the "CRESCENT" markings are now obscure......
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/njdot/njt4333ags.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #141 on: Apr 13th, 2012, 6:50pm »
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Morgan, NJ, 1980.....
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/njdot/njt4334arc.jpg


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ClydeDET
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« Reply #142 on: Apr 13th, 2012, 6:57pm »
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Conversion of a long distance chair car to a commuter coach strikes me as not a huge job, and doubtless much less expensive than buying new.
 
Conversion of a straight lounge or even a sleeper-lounge to a parlor or just keeping it as a lounge for use on longer runs perhaps not too big a job.
 
But conversion of a sleeper to commuter chair car or parlor space strikes me as quite a job. I guess, if you have competent shops, still cheaper than buying new, but still quite a job.


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« Reply #143 on: Apr 13th, 2012, 7:19pm »
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"But conversion of a sleeper to commuter chair car or parlor space strikes me as quite a job."
 
Converting a sleeper to a parlor is very easy... you remove the linen, pillows and blankets.  Cars such as those converted by NYC and PC to parlors received little to no changes at all.  The same was true of older cars... the Sections, Compartments and Drawing Rooms were largely left as is, just no longer using the upper berths.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #144 on: Apr 13th, 2012, 7:30pm »
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on Apr 13th, 2012, 6:57pm, ClydeDET wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Conversion of a long distance chair car to a commuter coach strikes me as not a huge job, and doubtless much less expensive than buying new.
 
Conversion of a straight lounge or even a sleeper-lounge to a parlor or just keeping it as a lounge for use on longer runs perhaps not too big a job.
 
But conversion of a sleeper to commuter chair car or parlor space strikes me as quite a job. I guess, if you have competent shops, still cheaper than buying new, but still quite a job.

 
Clyde:
 
Good points, all.
 
Agreed....conversion of a through coach to a commuter coach certainly was an economical option for the the NJDOT (E-L/CNJ), versus buying a fleet of brand-new units.
 
Recall the sleepers purchased by the LIRR in the 60's and 70's for parlor service; some of these cars retained their compartments during their LIRR service days.
 
With through coaches, coversion was ofen little more than taking out the old seats and installing new, commuter-style seating.
 
As I had mentioned earlier, the main drawback to using former through cars on commuter runs was that the cars had only one entrance per side, unlike the standard commuter equipment, which had vestibule entrances at each end.
 
This, of course, increased dwell times at stations.....
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #145 on: Apr 13th, 2012, 7:38pm »
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LIRR parlor #2058 "WUNNEWETA", built by P-S (ex-PRR "IMPERIAL PATH", 4 DBR/4 comp/2 DR).........
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/wunneweta.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #146 on: Apr 13th, 2012, 7:45pm »
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LIRR parlor #2063 "POQUOTT", built by P-S in 1939 (ex-PRR "PINE FALLS", 6 DBR/buffet-lounge).........
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/poquott.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #147 on: Apr 13th, 2012, 7:49pm »
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LIRR parlor #2067 "MECOX", bult by P-S (ex-NH 14 roomette/4DBR #525 "STRATFORD POINT")
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/mecox.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #148 on: Apr 13th, 2012, 8:31pm »
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LIRR parlor #2068 "MERRICK" (built by P-S, ex-NH "CITY POINT", 14 roomette/4 DBR)......
 
http://dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/merrick.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #149 on: Apr 13th, 2012, 10:48pm »
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A timeless "heritage" NY&LB train near Red Bank, 1981........
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/njdot/njt4328drc.jpg


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« Reply #150 on: Apr 13th, 2012, 11:40pm »
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on Apr 13th, 2012, 7:19pm, jmlaboda wrote:       (Click here for original message)
"But conversion of a sleeper to commuter chair car or parlor space strikes me as quite a job."
 
Converting a sleeper to a parlor is very easy... you remove the linen, pillows and blankets.  Cars such as those converted by NYC and PC to parlors received little to no changes at all.  The same was true of older cars... the Sections, Compartments and Drawing Rooms were largely left as is, just no longer using the upper berths.

 
And of course most purpose-built parlors had one or more rooms for ultra-premium space for folks who wanted/needed privacy. But i was thinking of conversion to straight parlor for most of the space, requiring substantial mods (removal of partitions and installation of palor-style chairs, etc).


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #151 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 12:03am »
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NY&LB train at Middletown, 1978.
 
Trailing diesel is an ex-PC unit; note vintage PRR coach coupled to PC engine.....
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/njdot/njt4258brc.jpg


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« Reply #152 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 12:06am »
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on Apr 13th, 2012, 1:46pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
NJDOT E #4248; note CNJ "Liberty" herald on nose...........
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/njdot/njdot4248dgs.jpg

 
 
HFM, I am enjoying this thread quite a bit.  
 
I wonder if you can tell me anything about the metal "shelf" just below the fireman's window on this unit?  Is this unique to NJDOT units?  Was its purpose to allow access to the windshield area from outside (via the cab ladder), without running grab irons all the way up the nose?  Was it meant to serve as a kind of splash guard, to keep spray (or ballast) from flying up toward the cab windows?  I've never noticed this feature on an E unit before, and this inquiring mind wants to know . . .
 
 
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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #153 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 12:12am »
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Oceanport (Monmouth Park Racetrack), 1982.
 
At one time, there were four long stub tracks that terminated here, serving the lengthy CNJ and PRR racetrack specials.
 
Today, only a short segment of one of these tracks survives, for NJT's specials during the season........
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/njdot/njt4326erc.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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on Apr 14th, 2012, 12:06am, Norm_Anderson wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
HFM, I am enjoying this thread quite a bit.  
 
I wonder if you can tell me anything about the metal "shelf" just below the fireman's window on this unit?  Is this unique to NJDOT units?  Was its purpose to allow access to the windshield area from outside (via the cab ladder), without running grab irons all the way up the nose?  Was it meant to serve as a kind of splash guard, to keep spray (or ballast) from flying up toward the cab windows?  I've never noticed this feature on an E unit before, and this inquiring mind wants to know . . .
 
 
Norm

 
 
Norm:
 
Glad you've been enjoying this topic....so have I!
 
I have to be totally honest with you....until you mentioned it, I NEVER paid any attention to the shelf you refer to.....this is a new one on me!
 
I am sure, though, one of the experts here will be able to shed some light on this little puzzler!
 
Speaking of the NY&LB E units.......
 
Recall that I had posted that some of the E's were ex-SOUTHERN, while others were from the ICG?
 
To date, I've yet to have seen one photo showing an ex-ICG unit hauling a NY&LB train, while still wearing ICG paint.
 
I am going to guess that, unlike the ex-SOUTHERN units, these engines were repainted into the NJDOT colors BEFORE entering service on the NY&LB.
 
Again, all I can do is speculate.....
 
"H.F.M."


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #155 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 12:26am »
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Near Red Bank, 1981.......
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/njdot/njt4285krc.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #156 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 12:31am »
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Here is another somewhat rare view, showing an ex-EL E unit on the NY&LB (1981).
 
Plenty of power for this short train.........
 
http://gelwood.railfan.net/njdot/njt4324brc.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #157 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 12:52am »
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Bay Head yard, 1986.
 
E8 #4272 is an ex-ICG unit, formerly #4020.
 
Engine #4248 is an ex-PC unit ( #4248 ), originally PRR #5788A.......
 
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=59584&nseq=17


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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E8 #4253 (an ex-ICG unit), at the former CNJ shops at Elizabehport, 1981......
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=863160


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #159 on: Apr 14th, 2012, 1:08am »
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#4330 at South Amboy, 1980.
 
Though the engine still wears SOUTHERN paint, she has lost her lettering......
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1492035


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