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HARRY FOSTER MALONE E and P
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Through cars/commuter cars/rail cars
 
« on: Apr 5th, 2012, 8:48pm »
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Gentlemen:
 
Back in the 60's, with so many long-haul through trains being axed, a number of former through cars became surplus, and, in some areas, were converted into commuter cars.
 
This also held true for motive power.
 
On the E-L, for example, the proud E-8's that once headed most through trains were being more and more relegated to commuter service, before finally being re-geared for freight service, and then finally meeting the cutting torch.
 
Former "through line" Stillwells found themselves on Hoboken-Port Jervis commuter runs.
 
Late in the 60's, a number of ex-AT&SF streamlined cars went east to serve E-L commuters.
 
On the CNJ, a number of ex-BN and GN cars operated in commuter service, with consists being dubbed "Jersey Builders".
 
Ex-BLUE COMET open-end observations also carried CNJ commuters in their later years, and at least one streamlined obs (FEC) once operated on the NY&LB, for the CNJ.
 
In the mid 60's, NYC's Beech Grove shops converted a number of 64 seat through coaches into commuter cars, seating 108.
 
Some former NYC heavyweights were, later in life, converted into commuter equipment, including club cars.
 
And this is only scratching the surface!
 
IMHO, I think this would make for an interesting topic.....
 
"H.F.M." (formerly "SM")


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #1 on: Apr 5th, 2012, 8:57pm »
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Some info on ex-AT&SF cars that went east to operate in E-L commuter service in the late 60's.
 
Cars were built by Budd between 1936 and 1938, so they were hardly new at that time, despite their streamlined appearance......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/atsf-coaches.html.


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #2 on: Apr 5th, 2012, 9:03pm »
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Ex-FEC observation at Bay Head yard (NY&LB), circa early 1970's, in a consist with heavyweight CNJ coaches.
 
Note CNJ Liberty herald in the drumhead area.....
 
http://www.thebluecomet.com/nylb_FECobs_bayhead.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #3 on: Apr 5th, 2012, 9:07pm »
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At the grade crossing at Bay Head, we again see the ex-FEC observation, just behind the CNJ GP-40, sometime in the early 70's.....
 
http://www.thebluecomet.com/nylb3677bayheadjct.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 5th, 2012, 9:15pm »
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An ex-BN coach can be seen just behind CNJ GP-40 No. 4103......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/cnj/cnj4103.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #5 on: Apr 5th, 2012, 9:22pm »
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This classic photo on the NYL&B reminds us of the tremendous variety once offered by commuter railroading; this train not only sports an ex-FEC observation car, but also, vintage CNJ heavyweights, and ex-GN and BN through cars.
 
Though commuters certainly enjoyed the air-conditioned comfort of the ex-BN/GN cars, the equipment were not without their drawbacks.
 
Recall, these cars only had one entrance per side (instead of the usual two found on commuter equipment), so dwell times at stations was increased because of this arrangement.....
 
http://www.thebluecomet.com/nylbCNJmanasquanrvr2.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #6 on: Apr 5th, 2012, 9:42pm »
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Several E-L commuter trains awaiting their next runs to Hoboken, late 60's.
 
The RS-3 at left is leading a string of ex-SANTA FE coaches.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/commuter-train.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #7 on: Apr 5th, 2012, 9:51pm »
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This 1970 view shows us another CNJ (NY&LB) train (near Red Bank), complete with ex-FEC observation car, CNJ heavyweights, and an ex-GN car in view, heading to Bay Head Jct.
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=623802


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 5th, 2012, 10:10pm »
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Also interesting to note that, after the demise of E-L's last vestiges of through service out of Hoboken, five ex-PHOEBE SNOW lightweight coaches went west, to serve E-L's Cleveland-Youngstown commuter service, until that service was finally abandoned in the 70's.....
 
An additional fifteen ex-PHOEBE coaches went over to the Penn Central in 1971, for conversion into 83-seat commuter cars.........


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 5th, 2012, 10:18pm »
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The famed tavern-lounges assigned to the PHOEBE SNOW ended their revenue service days as commuter club cars on the LIRR.
 
More recently, they have served as METRO-NORTH inspection cars.
 
Excellent collection of vintage photos......
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/aquebogue.html
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/asharoken.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 5th, 2012, 10:33pm »
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Well-done page on LIRR's lightweight parlor cars.
 
Note next-to-last photo on this page, dating from 1970.
 
Train includes ex-NH and PRR sleepers, a former UP buffet-lounge, and one of the ex-PHOEBE tavern-lounges.
 
Fascinating consists such as these are now relegated to memory and history.....
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/page1.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #11 on: Apr 5th, 2012, 11:08pm »
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LIRR parlor car #2000, built by P-S in 1950, had operated on the CAPITOL LIMITED as "NAPPANEE"......
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/amagansett.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #12 on: Apr 5th, 2012, 11:14pm »
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The "Route Of The Dashing Dan", through the 1960's, operated a number of heavyweight parlor cars (known as the "BLUE RIBBON FLEET"), which originally ran on the PRR, DL&W, LV, and NYC.....
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/page3.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #13 on: Apr 5th, 2012, 11:37pm »
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Two 1996 views at GCT of one of the former PHOEBE SNOW tavern-lounges, now being used by Metro-North as inspection cars.....
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?20243
 
http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?20244


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #14 on: Apr 5th, 2012, 11:52pm »
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Recalling a more civilized era of commuting on the Pennsy.....
 
http://www.jerseyshorecommutersclub.com/history.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #15 on: Apr 6th, 2012, 12:14am »
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LIRR's "MASSAPEQUA", ex- Kansas City Southern "LENORE LOREE"........
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/massapequa.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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The same car, still lettered for the KCS.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/kcs/kcs-pll-am.jpg


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #17 on: Apr 6th, 2012, 12:24am »
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LIRR's "second hand" lightweight fleet.
 
These cars came from a number of railroads, including the DL&W, B&M, B&A, NYC, KCS, and FEC......
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/page4.html


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HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ
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« Reply #18 on: Apr 6th, 2012, 12:31am »
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Heavyweights......
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/page7.html
 
http://www.dominionrailvoyages.com/jhd/lirr/earlier_club_cars.html


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Re: Through cars/commuter cars
 
« Reply #19 on: Apr 6th, 2012, 12:34am »
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on Apr 5th, 2012, 8:57pm, HARRY FOSTER MALONE ESQ wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Some info on ex-AT&SF cars that went east to operate in E-L commuter service in the late 60's.
 
Cars were built by Budd between 1936 and 1938, so they were hardly new at that time, despite their streamlined appearance......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/atsf-coaches.html.

 
 
Wow, HFM, that warms my sagebrush-covered heart . . .
 
I had not known, until encountering this link, that the 3070-series coaches (ahem... Chair Cars) had survived so long. 
 
The first one on the list, No. 3070, was actually a prototype delivered early in 1936 and was, I think, the first full-sized stainless-steel chair car produced by Budd (up until this time, Budd had been producing semi-permanently coupled "trainsets" of slightly less than standard size).  
 
There is a notation that the next car in the series, No. 3071, is "missing"-- this was another prototype, built by the St. Louis Car Co. and using Cor-Ten steel construction.  It had a slightly different appearance (and a different paint scheme!) from the others on the list-- there is a rough sketch of this car over on the "Fallen Flags" board; under "The Santa Fe," look for a thread titled "Santa Fe Trivia." (As of this typing, on that thread it's on page 2, Reply #24).
 
The other stainless-steel cars were part of a massive order that streamlined everything from the new El Capitans, to the San Diegan, and perhaps the Kansas Cityan/Chicagoan.  Even the heavyweight, economy-class Scout was for a time assigned three such lightweight cars per consist.
 
The fact that they were still in regular (albeit commuter) service after so many years is a testimony to the soundness of their original design.
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm


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