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photoman475
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« Reply #140 on: Apr 2nd, 2012, 8:19pm »
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I think Norm may have just suggested a possible new thread: Interesting passenger car names.
 
The image of a slumbering passenger dreaming of the Loch Ness monster...now that is one to contemplate.
 
Seriously, was there any rhyme or reason for how passenger cars were named?  I would think it was up to the individual railroads or to Pullman for that.  For example, I can see cars being named for local landmarks.
 
Alan
 


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« Reply #141 on: Apr 3rd, 2012, 12:42am »
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Alan, the "quick-n-sloppy" answer is that it was a little of both.  
 
The underlying principle, I think, was that Sleeping Cars were seen as "important" enough to deserve names. (SP, in the lightweight era, was a notable exception to this rule).
 
Until the late 1940s, The Pullman Company owned (and staffed) most of the Sleeping Cars in use on US railroads. Names were often grouped according to floorplan; on the Santa Fe streamliners (those with which I am most familiar):  
 
Pine _______ = 10 Roomette, 6 Double Bedroom
Palm _______ = 10 Roomette, 6 Double Bedroom
Regal _______ = 4 Compartment, 2 Drawing Room, 4 Double Bedroom
Blue _______ = 10 Roomettes, 2 Compartments, 3 Double Bedrooms
Vista _______ = 4 Drawing Room, 1 Double Bedroom Observation Lounge
 
Union Pacific trains had their Pacific _______, Star _______, and Pine _____ series cars.
 
Pullman also had a large fleet of versatile 6-Section, 6-Roomette, 4-Double Bedroom Sleepers in the American _______ series, and the _______ Valley series.
 
Among Heavyweights, there were fleets of Cent_____ cars (Centlow, Centsalva, etc.) There were series named for lakes, rivers, mountains, Presidents, Generals, artists, philosophers, you name it.
 
But the railroads had some input, too, and some names were specific to certain trains or routes. Santa Fe's prewar lightweight Sleepers all had one-word Navajo or Hopi or Zuni names. UP's prewar City of San Francisco had cars like Nob Hill, or Embarcadero, or Fisherman's Wharf.
 
 
For much more definitive information, there is an immense labor of love on the 'Net, by one Thomas C. Madden, called The Pullman Project
 
http://www.pullmanproject.com

 
Be warned, though: if you are fascinated by this kind of stuff, tie a rope around your ankle before you dive in, or else arrange for some relative to come check up on you every few days . . .
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm
 


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« Reply #142 on: Apr 3rd, 2012, 8:59am »
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Alan - Norm - All -  
 
Back on Pg. 6 here, see my entry Reply #109 on: Mar 31st, 2012, 4:22pm (Note, too, the "Reply #" device isn't tracking the same.  
Obviously some earlier entries in thread deleted?)
 
In my remarks, comment on use of "IMPERIAL", seen on P R R, IIRC. Presumably, "GOLDEN" may have been reserved for a possible  
use on "GOLDEN ROCKET", the streamlined which never happened on ESPEE - ROCK ISLAND service.
 
My remarks prompted by some copy in Madden work, and some other comments here which alluded to issues of "seasonal peak"  
demands of each of the Railroad lines. To make some sense of it, simpler to think of PULLMAN as a national, leasing company fleet.  
For an effect that, no, there was no huge, reserve "peak backup" unassigned pool. A fairly small reserve should have been adequate.
 
So that, "seasonal demand" instances handled by well thought plans of seasonal shifts of cars between lines. Recent, "FLORIDA" works  
cover it. The seasonal practice of PULLMAN CARS, assigned to Western Lines, appearing in Winter Season, on trains to and from Florida.  
(i.e., yes, one could see UPRR and ATSF equipment running New York - Florida!
 
Note Madden work shows a two year back latest update. Hope the gentleman is still at it with this exhaustive work...
 
.........................Vern...................


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« Reply #143 on: Apr 3rd, 2012, 9:16pm »
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Norm, Vern et al:
 
Norm, thanks for the warning about diving in.  I'll finish the church newsletter Im working on before I go to and check out the Pullman Project.  thanks for telling me about it.
 
And thanks to Norm and Vern for some info on how car names were chosen.
 
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« Reply #144 on: Apr 3rd, 2012, 10:04pm »
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Gents:
 
Thought you might like to check these out concerning Union Station:
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rappduane/5814241626/in/pool-1214993@N23
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rappduane/5806609608/in/pool-1214993@N23
 
Enjoy!


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« Reply #145 on: Apr 3rd, 2012, 10:10pm »
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And then there are these possibilities:
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rappduane/5814241626/in/pool-1214993@N23
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rappduane/5806609608/in/pool-1214993@N23
 
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« Reply #146 on: Apr 4th, 2012, 3:48pm »
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on Apr 3rd, 2012, 10:10pm, photoman475 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
And then there are these possibilities:
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rappduane/5814241626/in/pool-1214993@N23
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rappduane/5806609608/in/pool-1214993@N23
 
Alan

 
Hey thanks for the shout out on a couple of my flickr photos at Chicago's Union Station. The colonnade is on the main building housing the "Great Hall" which today is still one of the great interior spaces in Chicago.  
 
The shot of the skylights above the tracks is the last vestige of the skylights that once covered the North and South tracks, till Chicago developers figured they could build skyscrapers on top of the tracks, and the railroads could make money selling the "Air Rights" to build above the tracks. That bank of skylights at one time (and maybe still) was slated to have a building built on top of it.  
 
This is how it looks underneath at track level
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rappduane/5700205583/in/set-72157625790168459
 
A more normal view on the North platforms that have been completely built over
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rappduane/5482526153/
 
Feel free to view my photostream, but please  be aware all photos are copyrighted, and not for use in blogs etc without my permission.  Links posted on forums such as this,  I have no problems with
 
 
Regards
Duane D. rapp


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« Reply #147 on: Apr 4th, 2012, 4:44pm »
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Duane -  
 
Superb and absorbing photo essay of Union Station. The "5700--" view? Have to admit it seems like yesterday.
 
Arrived one evening in the Grand Hall, and walked out to awaiting train. There was a time when, right hand track,  
CB&Q NEBRASKA ZEPHYR awaited riders for Omaha. Left hand track, CB&Q AMERICAN ROYAL ZEPHYR for  
Kansas City...
 
Both were great late evening out of CGO, and early morning arrivals at destinations.
 
........................Vern......................


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