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"Who Killed The SUPER CHIEF?"
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SILVER METEOR 158-58
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« Reply #240 on: Mar 22nd, 2012, 1:44pm »
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"FADED GLORY", Chicago, 1957.....another classic SF image.....
 
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« Reply #241 on: Mar 22nd, 2012, 1:50pm »
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Dearborn Station, 1956.
 
Cripes!
 
Where did it all go........
 
(looks like that might be a MONON parlor/obs in the haze on the right)
 
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« Reply #242 on: Mar 22nd, 2012, 9:01pm »
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While we're mentioning Dearborn Station:
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/9156363/Alan-Pegler.html
 
Mr. Pegler, thank you and may you rest in peace.


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« Reply #243 on: Mar 22nd, 2012, 9:58pm »
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on Mar 22nd, 2012, 9:01pm, photoman475 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
While we're mentioning Dearborn Station:
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/9156363/Alan-Pegler.html
 
Mr. Pegler, thank you and may you rest in peace.

 
Sad passing of a most fascinating gentleman.......the consummate English gentleman, far-sighted and always embracing the rich heritage of the past.....may he rest in peace....
 
"SM"


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« Reply #244 on: Mar 22nd, 2012, 10:06pm »
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Dramatic SF publicity photo (location unknown) with a handsome PA doing the honors......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf51ava.jpg


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« Reply #245 on: Mar 22nd, 2012, 10:12pm »
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Another PA photo (also taken at an unidentified location); the powerful profile of these handsome engines is quite evident here.....
 
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« Reply #246 on: Mar 22nd, 2012, 10:26pm »
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"VISIONS OF GRANDUER AS VIEWED FROM A KING'S THRONE" (Chicago, 195......
 
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« Reply #247 on: Mar 22nd, 2012, 10:38pm »
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"BATTLE-SCARRED VETERAN" or "TWILIGHT OF THE WARRIOR" (Chicago, 1970).......
 
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« Reply #248 on: Mar 23rd, 2012, 8:53am »
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on Mar 22nd, 2012, 1:50pm, SILVER METEOR 158-58 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Dearborn Station, 1956...  
 
(looks like that might be a MONON parlor/obs in the haze on the right)
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf0073ccc.jpg  

SM -  
 
A.: YES! It is the colors used by MONON. At least, the colors I saw most, and  
are "hard wired" in my memories.
 
..........................Vern........................


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« Reply #249 on: Mar 23rd, 2012, 9:18am »
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on Mar 22nd, 2012, 1:40pm, SILVER METEOR 158-58 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
"THE LATEST MODEL", looking mighty fine indeed at Dearborn, 1947.
 
Most impressive, handsome machine, without a doubt.....
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf51n.jpg

 
 
SM, you sure know how to pick 'em . . .
 
Number 51 here was the 75,000th locomotive built by ALCo, and represented that company's valiant (but ultimately unsuccessful) effort to go head-to-head against EMD for the passenger Diesel market.  From the erecting bays at Schenectady, she traveled first to New York City where, in September 1946 she was the star of a three-day gala at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, attended by civic leaders, railroad brass, and bigwigs of the press.
 
In this photo at Dearborn, she doesn't just look mighty fine, she looks brand-new.  I'm speculating here, but perhaps the occasion was her "official" arrival on the property?  Perhaps getting ready for her first revenue run?
 
Another interesting footnote about this particular locomotive - -  ALCO's 244 prime mover ultimately proved disappointing, and was a big reason why the PA's didn't "take off" as hoped.  In 1954, #51 was re-engined with EMD 567s; this experiment proved disappointing as well, so #51 remained one-of-a kind . . . an ALCo PA, powered by EMD.
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm


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« Reply #250 on: Mar 23rd, 2012, 9:26am »
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on Mar 22nd, 2012, 10:06pm, SILVER METEOR 158-58 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Dramatic SF publicity photo (location unknown) with a handsome PA doing the honors......
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf51ava.jpg

 
 
I'll take a guess that the year is late 1946 or early 1947; ALCo PA #51 is so new that they haven't yet removed the coupler shroud from the pilot.
 
The location is definitely Cajon Pass, on the "eastbound main" just above Sullivan's curve; you can see the "westbound main" curving away from the camera, just to the left of the locomotive; and I think you can also see a couple of the buldings of the "town" of Cajon, where the mainlines diverge.
 
The train is undoubtedly No. 20, the eastbound all-Pullman Chief; at this time, the Super Chief and El Capitan crossed Cajon in the evening, on the same schedule but every-other-day.  The delivery of the PA's probably also made possible the transition of the Chief from Steam to Diesel.
 
 
Regards,
 
Norm


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on Mar 23rd, 2012, 8:53am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

SM -  
 
A.: YES! It is the colors used by MONON. At least, the colors I saw most, and  
are "hard wired" in my memories.
 
..........................Vern........................

 
Vern......
 
Note, too, that the MONON obs is spotted on trackage to the right of the sheds, as was the earlier MONON car we discussed?
 
Possibly, this might have been a track(s) where bad order MONON equipment could be stored (and/or serviced).
 
In G.W. Hilton's "MONON ROUTE", MONON trains are seen arriving and departing from the tracks at the far end of the sheds, nearest the point wshere the cars we've discussed were spotted.
 
"MONON territory"?<G>
 
"SM"


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« Reply #252 on: Mar 23rd, 2012, 9:48am »
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Norm.....
 
Thank you, sir!
 
Always appreciate a kind word or two!<G>
 
Also, appreciate the great info that you are kind enough to share!
 
When "tracking down" (pun intended!) vintage photos for this topic, I always try to find those that not only highlight a specific subject, but also, one that also has a distinct "feel" for that particular era.
 
Hard to come to terms, though, with the sobering knowledge that most of what we've seen in these nostalgic old photos no longer exists......
 
"SM"


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« Reply #253 on: Mar 23rd, 2012, 10:06am »
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"BIG WHEELS A' ROLLIN' " (Joliet, 1950)......
 
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« Reply #254 on: Mar 23rd, 2012, 10:18am »
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Though no date or location is available for this impressive "PA" image, the wintry mood depicted here recalls timeless scenes from my memory bank, along the E-L and the CNJ!<G>
 
I can just hear Andy Williams crooning now....
 
"......PA's thrummin', so full of fire......streamliners shinin' in the snow....."<G>
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf70ags.jpg
 
 
 
 
 


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"SMOKIN'!"
 
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on Mar 23rd, 2012, 10:18am, SILVER METEOR 158-58 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Though no date or location is available for this impressive "PA" image, the wintry mood depicted here recalls timeless scenes from my memory bank, along the E-L and the CNJ!<G>
 
I can just hear Andy Williams crooning now....
 
"......PA's thrummin', so full of fire......streamliners shinin' in the snow....."<G>
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/atsf/atsf70ags.jpg  

SM -  
 
A seasoned SANTA FE devotee likely knows the locale. A presumption it was one of the "short" schedules serving OK and TX points?
 
Style note? Try to avoid an "over romanticize" stance about ALCO Power. You may not have had direct talks with hardened rail pros,  
nearly all had classic "love - hate" relationships with the Power.
 
Norm -
 
How is it I have vivid memories, ca. 1966 - 67, of pacing an inbound (to Richmond) SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF, a couple times and West  
of Stockton, and pulled by the ALCO Power? Compare, try to find this in present websites, to account for the assignments. (Wish I had  
photos in support!)
 
........................Vern.......................
 


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on Mar 23rd, 2012, 10:40am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

SM -  
 
A seasoned SANTA FE devotee likely knows the locale. A presumption it was one of the "short" schedules serving OK and TX points?
 
Style note? Try to avoid an "over romanticize" stance about ALCO Power. You may not have had direct talks with hardened rail pros,  
nearly all had classic "love - hate" relationships with the Power.
 
Norm -
 
How is it I have vivid memories, ca. 1966 - 67, of pacing an inbound (to Richmond) SAN FRANCISCO CHIEF, a couple times and West  
of Stockton, and pulled by the ALCO Power? Compare, try to find this in present websites, to account for the assignments. (Wish I had  
photos in support!)
 
........................Vern.......................
 

 
 
Vern......
 
Would you rather I "over romanticsize" over GENISIS or ACELA equipment?<G>
 
The "PA" was just so damn gorgeous!
 
A tough character to deal with, without a doubt, but still one that makes for a most impressive appearance!
 
ERIE's were particulary eye-catching with those distinctive wings on the nose, that survived well into the E-L era.
 
I remember these quite clearly on some of the Port Jervis trains....
 
"SM"


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Chillicothe, Illinois, 1950......
 
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Lengthy consist at Pasedena, 1966 (no further info available)....
 
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