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SILVER METEOR 158-58
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« Reply #40 on: Dec 19th, 2011, 7:23pm »
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The snippet at the bottom of the page ("AMTRAK DELAYS") certainly speaks volumes.....
 
http://www.floridareview.co.uk/getting-there/rail.shtml


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« Reply #41 on: Dec 19th, 2011, 7:30pm »
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Interesting page on Jacksonville's railroad history.....
 
http://www.cowart.info/Florida%20History/trains/railroad.his.htm


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« Reply #42 on: Dec 19th, 2011, 10:34pm »
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History of the "DIANNE MARIE".
 
This car was built by Pullman for the SANTA FE, and saw regular service between LA and Chicago.
 
In 1948, this car went to the SAL, where it was refurbished for executive service......
 
http://spoonertrainride.com/firstclassovernight.htm


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« Reply #43 on: Dec 20th, 2011, 11:32am »
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A brief salute to passenger steam on the ACL; the "R-1" 4-8-4 "1800's".
 
None of these proud locomotives survive today.....
 
http://home.earthlink.net/~steamloc/


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« Reply #44 on: Dec 20th, 2011, 5:49pm »
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Extensive, exhaustive SAL/SCL passenger car photo index......
 
http://passcarphotos.info/Indices/Seaboard.htm


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« Reply #45 on: Dec 20th, 2011, 10:31pm »
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Two views (no locations given) of SCL doodlebug #4900......
 
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v235/foley777/scl4900-1.jpg
 
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=590700


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« Reply #46 on: Dec 20th, 2011, 10:51pm »
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Preserved ex-SOUTHERN E-unit #6900, a proud reminder of stylish varnish to the South......
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bulebushphotography/5756609287/


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« Reply #47 on: Dec 20th, 2011, 11:02pm »
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ACL rolling stock (passenger/freight) photographic roster.....
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/rslist.aspx?id=acl


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« Reply #48 on: Dec 21st, 2011, 12:20am »
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SCL passenger diesels (EMD).....
 
http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr2747.htm


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« Reply #49 on: Dec 21st, 2011, 12:48pm »
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Remembering the route of the "CHAMPION"........
 
http://www.metrojacksonville.com/forum/index.php?topic=10940


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« Reply #50 on: Dec 21st, 2011, 5:16pm »
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One of the books in my shelf is Robert Mann's RAILS TO THE PALMS. Great book about a time that is, for most purposes, past, and a pity it is. Some nice stuff about Florida rails and resorts in Beebe & CLegg's PALACES ON RAILS, too. Ah for the good old days - which mostly weren't quite as good as we remember, but what is memory for if not to recall the best and remind us of what can be?
 
Not every train was a Silver Star or Silver Meteor or a Royal Palm or New Royal Palm or an Orange Blossm Special, but - some were and they were wonderful.


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« Reply #51 on: Dec 21st, 2011, 5:57pm »
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ClydeDET........
 
Thanks for bringing this book to my attention.....I'll have to see if I can get a copy for my rail library!
 
You are quite right......there were so many other "workaday" passenger trains in the South......humble, "ordinary" trains that today seem quaint and old-fashioned, but every bit as important as thier "main line bretheren"!
 
Recalling two ACL trains......
 
The winter-season Lakeland-Naples connection for the WEST COAST CHAMPION, which carried a through New York 10-6 sleeper.
 
The final mixed trains, No.s 459-458, between Fort Myers and Naples.
 
"Co-stars" in an epic spectacular, perhaps, but nonetheless important and fascinating!
 
So much once taken for granted......
 
"SM"
 


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« Reply #52 on: Dec 21st, 2011, 6:07pm »
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Two classic views of SCL's No. 75 at Florence, SC, 1969.
 
Interesting consist!
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/scl/scl-trn75-dcb.jpg
 
http://rr-fallenflags.org/scl/scl-trn75-dca.jpg


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« Reply #53 on: Dec 21st, 2011, 8:55pm »
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SM and all,
     I notice that there was one reference to the Orange Blossom Special in the thread, unless I missed it somewhere.  I have kind of a dumb question so bear with me.  I know that the PRR handled it from NY to DC.  SAL took from Richmond, VA to Jacksonville, FLA.  I read that two sections also went to Tampa and St. Petersburg.  Ok, so what is a "section."  Sorry Im not up on the passenger train lingo.  What did a "section" consist of?
Tim


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« Reply #54 on: Dec 21st, 2011, 9:26pm »
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on Dec 21st, 2011, 8:55pm, ranger101 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
SM and all,
     I notice that there was one reference to the Orange Blossom Special in the thread, unless I missed it somewhere.  I have kind of a dumb question so bear with me.  I know that the PRR handled it from NY to DC.  SAL took from Richmond, VA to Jacksonville, FLA.  I read that two sections also went to Tampa and St. Petersburg.  Ok, so what is a "section."  Sorry Im not up on the passenger train lingo.  What did a "section" consist of?
Tim

 
 
Tim:
 
NOT a dumb question in the least!
 
Let's just say that the "FLORIDA FLYER" (fictitious train!) is leaving Penn Station (NYC) at 3:30PM, and the train is "overbooked".
 
ANOTHER train would be dispatched to handle the crowds, and would be technically be a "section" of the "FLORIDA FLYER".
 
During the holidays, into the 1960's, many "name trains" ran in "sections"....one video I have shows "THE PHOEBE SNOW" operating in THREE sections!
 
Hope this helps.....
 
"SM"


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Tim:
 
"MULTIPLE SECTIONS OF 'THE BROADWAY' ".........
 
http://cs.trains.com/TRCCS/forums/p/192054/2100176.aspx


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Interesting page on the "SILVER COMET TRAIL"......
 
http://www.silvercometga.com/silver-comet-history/silver-comet-history.shtml


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« Reply #57 on: Dec 21st, 2011, 9:59pm »
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Tim.....
 
As a PRR buff, you might find this of interest......
 
Beginning with the "FLORIDA SPECIAL's" 1966-67 season, the train added, for the first time, a regularly-assigned observation car.
 
The cars used were the PRR's "MOUNTAIN VIEW" and "TOWER VIEW", 5 double-bedroom obs-lounges.
 
Both of these cars carried illuminated drumheads as well.
 
"SM"


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on Dec 21st, 2011, 9:26pm, SILVER METEOR 158-58 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Tim:
 
NOT a dumb question in the least!
 
Let's just say that the "FLORIDA FLYER" (fictitious train!) is leaving Penn Station (NYC) at 3:30PM, and the train is "overbooked".
 
ANOTHER train would be dispatched to handle the crowds, and would be technically be a "section" of the "FLORIDA FLYER".
 
During the holidays, into the 1960's, many "name trains" ran in "sections"....one video I have shows "THE PHOEBE SNOW" operating in THREE sections!
 
Hope this helps.....
 
"SM"

To carry this a step further:  In days past there would be green flags, about 2 feet square placed on the top corners of the front of the engine, or green lights at night in the same general position to indicate a section following.
 
The reason for this was that in the days of operation by timetable and train order, it would be known by operators in towers or stations and by trains meeting that there would be anotehr train (the second section) following operating on nominally the same schedule.  Thus, at a designated meet point, the opposing train would not start until the last section of the train, whihc would not have flags, passed.  
 
The crew of the first train would know that there was another train on their tail and there were fules to ensure that thee second section did not run into the first.  If the first train fell behind its timetabled position, the rear brakeman would start dropping lighted fusees off the rear of the train.  think highway flare.  these things were designed to burn five minutes.  If the second section came upon a lighted fusee, he was to stop and then, when the fusee burned out, go at reduced speed to the point that he could stop within the distance he could see.  There was a frequency of dropping of the fusees.  Once the second section started seeing burned out fusees or none where there should have been, he could resume speed.  If the front train stopped at a non-scheduled location, the rear brakeman was to go back a set distance with a red flag, and fusees if needed to flag the second section.  The dropping of fusees was not required in signalled territory.
 
This may not be completely right and is almost certainly not all of it, but I think you get the idea.


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« Reply #59 on: Dec 21st, 2011, 10:10pm »
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George:
 
Allow me to say "THANK YOU" not only for sharing some fascinating old info, but, also, for saving me the effort of doing more research on this topic for Tim!
 
Further proof, indeed, that passenger railroading was once both diverse and colorful!
 
"SM"


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