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SILVER METEOR 158-58
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« Reply #100 on: Dec 27th, 2011, 3:08pm »
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Scroll down page to: "THE SEABOARD AIR LINE RAILROAD & THE SILVER METEOR".....
 
http://jodymeacham.com/history.html


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« Reply #101 on: Dec 27th, 2011, 3:14pm »
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Also of interest......
 
http://www.tcry.org/equipment/beach.htm


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SILVER METEOR 158-58
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« Reply #102 on: Dec 27th, 2011, 3:46pm »
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The "HOLLYWOOD BEACH", built by P-S in 1956 for "SILVER METEOR" service.....
 
http://home.comcast.net/~theffv/PVs/HollywoodBeach.htm


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« Reply #103 on: Dec 27th, 2011, 3:57pm »
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on Dec 27th, 2011, 3:08pm, SILVER METEOR 158-58 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Scroll down page to: "THE SEABOARD AIR LINE RAILROAD & THE SILVER METEOR".....
 
http://jodymeacham.com/history.html

SM -  
 
OMG! First, I guess I should alert the 911 Operator. Also, get a quick call to mine cardiologist!
 
To begin, Meacham alludes to the title of the authoritative S A L, substantially similar, by Robert Wayne Johnson (1995).  
AFAIK, Johnson remains resident somewhere around Walnut Creek, CA. Meanwhile, Meacham evidently in San Jose.
 
The Meacham website uncanny in its accuracy. Note - among other things - he invoked the Wallace family name, and most  
persuasively. On another note, the SUN LOUNGE "publicity glossy" done to document any numbers of layers, and respond to  
various possible questions.
 
OKAY! In the era, the Florida trains did have shares of the chiseler riders. These the folks who knew the ticket prices on the  
"fly by night" air charters. Problem, the chiselers terrified of aircraft! So, and it was a running gag, when they appeared with  
"matched sets of luggage" accompanying, it was a series of MACY'S paper bags! Carry on, of course...
 
.............................Vern.................
 
 


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SILVER METEOR 158-58
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« Reply #104 on: Dec 27th, 2011, 7:57pm »
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Vern.......
 
See?
 
When an astute author takes his "homework" seriously, greatness, indeed, is in the offing!
 
As you and I both know, there is so much of tremendous value regarding railroad history, that is far, far removed from the "railfan" sector.......anyone who is serious about the "historical" aspect of the hobby (most especially if they plan on embarking on a published work) certainly will be richer by far if they meticulously research the subject matter......
 
"SM"


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« Reply #105 on: Dec 27th, 2011, 8:07pm »
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TT/equipment for the "TAMIAMI CHAMPION" (EAST COAST), 6/1/41.
 
PRR notes included.
 
Also note P&O steamship connections at Miami for Havana.....
 
http://www.streamlinerschedules.com/concourse/track2/championec194106.html


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« Reply #106 on: Dec 27th, 2011, 8:20pm »
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Items of interest on the P&O steamships, which connected with trains at Miami.....
 
http://www.timetableimages.com/maritime/images/penocc.htm
 
http://portofhavana.com/P-and-O-Steamship.html


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« Reply #107 on: Dec 27th, 2011, 8:25pm »
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Of some related interest.....
 
http://www.floridata.com/tracks/ray/chap11_lateryears.cfm


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« Reply #108 on: Dec 28th, 2011, 6:42am »
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on Dec 26th, 2011, 10:39pm, SILVER METEOR 158-58 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Another good page, w/ some rare vintage photos (locos, depots, car ferries, etc.).
 
Note the photos of FEC's rail car ferries (in later years, they served as auto ferries until 1969); the vessels were quite similiar in appearance to those of the ANN ARBOR and PERE MARQUETTE fleets on the Great Lakes.....
 
http://keyshistory.org/caserailroad.html

SM -  
 
Concur. This is a very good look at the rail system on the old Key West line...
 
Agree, Vessel Joseph R. Parrott strongly resembles many like Vessels in Great Lakes services.
 
........................Vern.......................
 
 


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« Reply #109 on: Dec 28th, 2011, 7:55am »
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on Dec 24th, 2011, 11:18am, TAB wrote:       (Click here for original message)
.....Interesting....in this photo from the link in post 82 there seem to be two Reading look alike baggage cars and a UFO....hmmmmmmm

Tom -  
 
The RDG like Baggage Cars? These evidently had long service lives. Seem to recall appearances in Washington, in early 1960s.  
Marked up for A C L. Wish I had the photos to back it up!
 
The "skirting" on a few of the cars. Beats me. I suspect it was, "...the right thing to do..." should one own a private car. Presented  
a more tasteful appearance, when car was simply "camped out" on a siding. (You wouldn't want guests to see and remark on the  
"honey pots"? Bad show!) The skirting removed and stored, prior any over the road handling...
 
The Unexplained Flying Object in the skies? The other respondent here is apparently part of the Conspiracy! It was a UFO! "They"  
have watched for ages. It explains the WWII Era disappearance of Fort Lauderdale based, USN Flight 19?
 
...........................Vern.........................


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on Dec 28th, 2011, 6:42am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)

SM -  
 
Concur. This is a very good look at the rail system on the old Key West line...
 
Agree, Vessel Joseph R. Parrott strongly resembles many like Vessels in Great Lakes services.
 
........................Vern.......................
 
Vern.....
 
As I had mentioned earlier, the FEC vessels quite strongly resemble those of the ANN ARBOR and the PERE MARQUETTE on the lakes; like those ships of the FEC, they encompassed the "seagoing" look, instead of the more typical "river ferry" that also was commonplace on the Lakes at that time.....
 
"SM"
 
 



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« Reply #111 on: Dec 28th, 2011, 11:13am »
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The "WEST INDIA FRUIT & STEAMSHIP COMPANY" ("The Superior All-Rail Route To Cuba").......
 
http://www.ask.com/wiki/West_India_Fruit_and_Steamship_Company


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« Reply #112 on: Dec 28th, 2011, 11:27am »
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See also......
 
http://www.timetableimages.com/maritime/images/wif.htm


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« Reply #113 on: Dec 28th, 2011, 11:34am »
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Echoes of Hoboken, Jersey City, and Staten Island in sunny Florida......
 
http://www.portofpalmbeach.com/photo-gallery/port-rail-history.php


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« Reply #114 on: Dec 28th, 2011, 11:55am »
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SM -  
 
You observed, "...As I had mentioned earlier, the FEC vessels quite strongly resemble those of the ANN ARBOR and the  
PERE MARQUETTE on the lakes; like those ships of the FEC, they encompassed the "seagoing" look, instead of the  
more typical "river ferry" that also was commonplace on the Lakes at that time..."  

 
Ah! No! Can't let you slide on this one! An operator so foolish to run "river ferry" craft on the Great Lakes wouldn't last long.  
It remains a most treacherous and nasty place to run Vessel services. "River Ferry" types likely wouldn't survive the first  
strong storm of the season...
 
Best one have a healthy respect, and with a touch of fear, about Great Lakes risks. One can imagine why comparable, sturdy  
Vessels required on Florida - Havana schedules...
 
.........................Vern...................
 
 
 


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on Dec 28th, 2011, 11:55am, HwyHaulier wrote:       (Click here for original message)
SM -  
 
You observed, "...As I had mentioned earlier, the FEC vessels quite strongly resemble those of the ANN ARBOR and the  
PERE MARQUETTE on the lakes; like those ships of the FEC, they encompassed the "seagoing" look, instead of the  
more typical "river ferry" that also was commonplace on the Lakes at that time..."  

 
Ah! No! Can't let you slide on this one! An operator so foolish to run "river ferry" craft on the Great Lakes wouldn't last long.  
It remains a most treacherous and nasty place to run Vessel services. "River Ferry" types likely wouldn't survive the first  
strong storm of the season...
 
Best one have a healthy respect, and with a touch of fear, about Great Lakes risks. One can imagine why comparable, sturdy  
Vessels required on Florida - Havana schedules...
 
.........................Vern...................
 
 
 

 
 
Vern.....
 
Eh! Rispetto! Hold on a sec, dere!<G>
 
What I WAS saying was that certain railroads operated open-deck "river ferry" types of car ferries on the Great Lakes; these of course, were totally at the mercy of the unforgiving Lakes weather!  
 
Little protection from the ferocious elements!
 
Those of the ANN ARBOR and PERE MARQUETTE, like those of the FEC, were clearly designed with "rough open waters" service in mind, which, of course, reflected upon the astute judgement of the rail companies.
 
Recall the open decked "river type" ferries of the GRAND TRUNK, MICHIGAN CENTRAL, and the CANADIAN NATIONAL......NONE of these vessels, no matter how pleasing in appearance, were at all suited for the "high seas" of the Lakes.
 
The FEC was right on the ball from the start.......
 
"SM"


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Reefer built in 1957 for the FEC/WIF & S Company.....
 
http://www.flarr.com/wifsc1.htm


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Scroll down page for photos of the WIF&S Company's "GRAND HAVEN" and "HENRY M. FLAGLER".
 
Note that the "GRAND HAVEN" was a former GRAND TRUNK vessel......
 
http://donsdepot.donrossgroup.net/dr2902.htm


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on Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:15pm, SILVER METEOR 158-58 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
"HAVANA SPECIAL" met by steamer "GOVERNOR COBB" at Key West, circa 1925......
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/floridamemory/5511618303/

SM -  
 
As we have earlier discussed, there is a curious note about the Vessel. The view of the stern may be "zoomed" to make it  
apparent it was Home Port, NEW HAVEN, CONN!  
 
This works on my head! "Home Port" decisions, to this day, done with great care, and consideration of local tax mandates.  
In this instance, does this possibly hint the Steamship Line had influence of the N Y N H & H RR? As I keep reminding:  
Study the personalities. May we infer Henry M. Flagler had friends with the New Haven RR folks? I have never noted it in  
reported histories. Maybe I haven't read enough of them? Recall, Flagler effectively a proxy for the old STANDARD OIL...
 
.......................Vern.................


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Several historic views on this page of the long-defunct vehicular/passenger ferries between Key West and Havana......
 
http://www.navsource.org/archives/10/12/1211.htm


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