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Posted by: NKP759fan Posted on: Feb 19th, 2005, 9:28am
My favorite Pennsy steam locomotive were the K-4, M1a, and the L1 mikado.
Posted by: Pennsy Posted on: Feb 19th, 2005, 10:37am
Hi NKP,
 
First, let me admit that # 759 is one of my favorites, and is alive and well, and ready to run, in HO gauge, in my stable.
 
Next; my favorite PRR steamers would be those that are also in my HO stable, and are equally alive and well and ready to run. These are the L-1s Mikado (Bowser), the I-1s Decapod (Penn Line), and the H-10s Consolidation (Bowser).  
 
Just for the fun of it, I once hooked up all three PRR steamers to see how many cars they could pull. I didn't have enough cars to stall them. Going with them, one at a time, they simply leaned into the load, and walked away with the cars, in excess of 40 cars. It is all in the weight on the drivers, and that seven pole motor.
Posted by: NKP759fan Posted on: Feb 21st, 2005, 7:11pm
Hi Pennsy,
I'm happy the 759 is one of your favorite locomotives. I"m betting the I-1s can pull 40 cars on your layout, but i'm not positive it can. Thanks for replying.
Posted by: Pennsy Posted on: Feb 21st, 2005, 8:13pm
Hi NKP,
 
Yes, it can, but fortunately I run the engines with Ammeters monitoring them. It has saved many an engine. Once an engine starts pulling more than one ampere, that is it, shut her down and inspect, thoroughly. Yes, before that I did burn up a few motors.  
 
As for the real # 759, it appears that age has crept up on her. It is a rough deal when you sit down with the computer and it tells you that it is economically unfeasible to restore an engine. And then you have to re-certify the engine every few years. # 2, a 2-6-2 Prairie at OERM is in the process of being re-certified AGAIN. Even with almost 100 % volunteers doing all the work, it is really expensive. By comparison, she is a small steamer, with a big Berkshire, Lots of Luck. F. Nelson Blount, HELP !!!  It would be interesting if Bill Gates could be persuaded to underwrite her restoration, wouldn't it
Posted by: NKP759fan Posted on: Feb 21st, 2005, 10:16pm
Hi Pennsy,
Restoring a Steam Locomotive is very expensive. At Steamtown right now, they have  Boston & Maine 3713 4-6-2 Pacific that is under restoration to operation by 2007. After the 3713 is finished, the 759 is in consideration , also the 790 a 2-8-0 freight engine built in 1903 is under consideration to. But when the 3713 is done, another locomotive won't be restored right away. The 3713 restoration is being sponsored by the Lackawanna & Wyoming Valley railway historical society, and they are working hard to come up with the funds to restore her. It's going pretty good so far. If some organization comes to sponsor the restoration of the NKP 759, I'm sure she would be restored, but the Park Service is strapped for money so they really can't afford to restore a locomotive , so if some organization pledges to raise the money to restore the 759, I'm sure she would be restored.
Posted by: Pennsy Posted on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 10:41am
Hi NKP,
 
Now I see why Steamtown needs to charge for admission etc. Although the money is going for good causes, there is no end to it. By the time the last engine is restored, the first one will need re-certification, etc.  
 
I would imagine that first generation diesels are easier to maintain and keep on the rails in active service.  
 
Ever think of Union Pacific's trick with its E-9's ? Essentially the engines are GP-38's internally, and E-9's externally. Would such a philosophy work with steamers ? How would # 759 be in she is the same externally, and internally modern, with  computer control etc. etc. I would imagine she would be easier to re-certify that way.
Posted by: NKP759fan Posted on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 6:04pm
I don't think that would ever happen with a Steam Locomotive. Steamtown is dedicated to authenticity and will not even think about computer controlled, and it would be very, very , very expensive. It just wouldn't work out. I don't even want to think about a computer controlled steamer.
Posted by: LehighValley107 Posted on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 8:22pm
I like PRR's Q2 steamers, very unique.
 
Also, the M1a Mountains are very nice too, well built!
Posted by: hummel1237 Posted on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 7:27am
I'm kinda sweet on their Atlantics!!!    
 
Jim...  
Posted by: LehighValley107 Posted on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 3:37pm
My M1a...
Posted by: K8DTI Posted on: Mar 2nd, 2005, 11:45pm
I confess a certain passion for the E6 class Atlantics.  460 is a personal favorite.
Posted by: NKP759fan Posted on: Mar 4th, 2005, 4:20pm
Does anybody know how the Pennsy M-1 "mountain" at the Railroad Museum of PA is holding up?
Posted by: strasburg90 Posted on: Mar 6th, 2005, 1:30pm
i dunno.but wat i do know is that 1223 is my favorite pennsy steamer
Posted by: hummel1237 Posted on: Mar 7th, 2005, 2:59am
# 7002!!!
 
Jim...  
Posted by: RDG484 Posted on: Mar 7th, 2005, 5:04am
The M-1.  I think it was one of the best pre-Super Power steam locomotives ever built.  Great for freight or passenger service.
Posted by: NKP759fan Posted on: Mar 7th, 2005, 7:32pm
I definetly agree with you RDG484. The M-1's could handle very heavy freight trains and also were well suited for fast passenger service. Very powerful, I'm not bragging here but maybe with a good engineer at the controls a M-1 could handle the same tonnage a T-1 was used to.
Posted by: dougal Posted on: Mar 26th, 2005, 8:30pm
I like the K4's, M1's, I1's, and H10's.
Posted by: Pennsy Posted on: Mar 27th, 2005, 10:00am
Hi Dougal,
 
Piece of trivia: If you like the K-4's, you have to also like the L-1's. They use the same boiler, they are interchangeable. Another part of PRR's genius with their locomotives. Lots of interchangeable parts.
Posted by: NKP759fan Posted on: Mar 27th, 2005, 11:34am
And those belpaire crown sheets were unique and more safer than rounded crown sheets. But the early K-4's and L-1's did not have stokers and you needed a fireman made of steel to bail that much coal into the firebox. I can't imagine shoveling 10 tons of coal in a K-4 firebox for a 100 mile run.
Posted by: RBMN-ENGR. Posted on: Mar 27th, 2005, 11:55am
In no particular order:
The first two T1's (6110 & 6111)
The J1 and J1a 2-10-4's
The K4s (pre-WWII appearance only!)
The M1 and M1a's
The Q2 4-4-6-4's
Posted by: PRR6743 Posted on: May 12th, 2005, 9:59am
probably be easier just to say I like them all, but the MOST favorites are;
 
M1b, K4, I1, J, S2, Qs,....you get the picture
Posted by: IronHorse Posted on: May 12th, 2005, 11:22am
I like them all, too...but in order probably the  
 
M1a/b ; the I1, K4, J1/J1a, L1 Mikado, and ANY switcher with a slopeback tender.
 
 
Posted by: RDG2124 Posted on: May 21st, 2005, 11:49pm
The S-1  
Posted by: alcoc420 Posted on: May 29th, 2005, 10:23pm
Of course the K4's were stunning but i would have to go with the T1's just because of there size and the unreal power they had.
Posted by: fanatic5 Posted on: May 30th, 2005, 1:28pm
Growing up on the "Water Level Route" and their beautiful steam locomotives from ALCO, it was hard to appreciate the brutish looking engines of the Pennsy. However, how could anyone dislike the M1 "Mountains" or J1 "Texans" for shear power? But the epitome of steam development and futuristic design must go the "Duplex" locomotives.  To see a T1 4-4-4-4 rounding Horseshoe curve must have been tremendous. Nothing like it anywhere!
 
"Standard Railroad of the World"
Posted by: GP38 Posted on: May 31st, 2005, 1:20am
I know you guys will think I`m crazy, but my favorite PRR locomotive is the I1a`s. Next in line is the L1`s.
Posted by: PRR6743 Posted on: May 31st, 2005, 8:06am
I like the I1s also, planning a trip to Hamburg to see the 4483. Awsome looking locomotive!
Posted by: Miketherailfan Posted on: Jun 2nd, 2005, 1:26pm
My favorites are D16b 1223, E7s 8063/7002, K4 1361, and M1 6755. All the locomotives are at the RR Museum of Pennsylvania in Strasburg, except for 1361 which is owned by the Railroaders Memorial Museum in Altoona.
Posted by: wm734 fan Posted on: Jun 2nd, 2005, 9:38pm
The 2-10-4 "J" class engines are one of my favorites.  There HUGE!!
Posted by: Pennsy Posted on: Jun 3rd, 2005, 10:42am
Hi All,
 
The 2-10-4's are also one of my favorites, and the big quandery there is do you  call them Texas Types, or Texans  Seems to me, either would be correct.  
 
Two J's and you usually had no problem climbing Horseshoe curve.
Posted by: wm734 fan Posted on: Jun 3rd, 2005, 3:49pm
Here's a pic of the "J" Texas type locomotive.  A very fat heavy engine
Posted by: espeefoamer Posted on: Jun 4th, 2005, 6:29pm
My favorite Pennsy steamers are the K4 and the T1 .
Posted by: alcoc420 Posted on: Jun 8th, 2005, 4:43pm
They may have been fat but they probably hauled more tonnage on the PRR than any other locomotive. I forgot to add earlier that another favorite of mine is of course the PA's. They were just pretty on the front on passenger trains.
Posted by: NKP759fan Posted on: Jun 9th, 2005, 9:54pm
I also though the T-1's were intersting engines, but were a mechanics worst nightmare
Posted by: Pennsy Posted on: Jun 10th, 2005, 10:25am
Hi NKP etc.,
 
Well, now you struck a familiar note. And one of the big reasons why steam is no longer common on the rails, and why those that have steam running on the rails today are ALWAYS financially strapped. That is, of course they are mechanical monstrosities from a mechanic's point of view. If a side rod goes, you can't, and never could go to a parts shelf in a warehouse and simply requisition a new one. Each steamer has its own personality and individual parts. With difficulty, two steamers from the same factory might just have some interchangeable parts, but don't bet on it. By comparison, a part from even an old FT diesel would fit into another FT diesel. Common parts etc.
 
Since we both share a love for NKP # 759, it would be appropriate to note that she also suffers from such problems. These days, if you wanted to re-tire the engine, it would cost you an arm and a leg, and it would have the new tires, "hand fitted". Another of my favorites, # 2 Prairie from OERM, is still not in one piece. I'll bet you could buy a new Mercedes for the price of re- certifying her. And as the years go by, and she becomes more and more rare, the price will go up, and parts will have to be made from scratch, if they aren't already.
Posted by: NKP759fan Posted on: Jun 10th, 2005, 2:13pm
Hey Pennsy,
 Yes you are correct. If you wanted to re-tire a locomotive it would cost you an arm to just ship the wheels and a leg to have them put on. Prices of everything keep going up, but not funding to railroad museums and such. It's going to be very hard in the future to keep steam running  
Posted by: Pennsy Posted on: Jun 10th, 2005, 4:23pm
Hey NKP,
 
You got that right. And, that is why I have the greatest respect and admiration for the Union Pacific RR and specifically Steve Lee and his crew. They maintain and keep # 3985 and # 844 in tip top condition. We won't even go into the DD-40AX # 6936 and the E-9 consist. Of all. they have the LEAST financial problems, and even then, they are substantial. Hopefully, that will continue on indefinitely. By the way, Steve Lee, if you see this, isn't it about time that # 844 and its consist of Passenger cars, including vistadomes, visit Southern California once again I had the pleasure of going on board # 3985 and the E-9's some time ago, in the Montclair, CA hump yard, and am looking forward to climbing aboard # 844. In case you don't remember me, I was the one that you told about the similarity between the cab of the # 3985 and the cab of the Big Boys.
Posted by: NKP759fan Posted on: Jun 11th, 2005, 9:56am
I have to give it to UP, they do an excellent job keeping that Challenger Running and the 4-8-4. Keep up the good work. Running the Challenger is very expensive since it's an oil burner. Again, keep up the good work
Posted by: silver_champion Posted on: Jul 15th, 2005, 7:15pm
My favorite Pennsy steam locomotive is the K4. But my love is a NYC's Hudson. Here is a good picture of a K4. Also please check my Photo Show on Railroads at
//photoshow.comcast.net/richardtrains
Posted by: WMSR_734 Posted on: Aug 25th, 2005, 6:02pm
I would have to go with the K-4 myself. I have many PRR locomotives that I like, including the M class, the I class, and the H class. Oh, what the hell! I love 'em all!
Posted by: u25b Posted on: Sep 23rd, 2005, 1:15am
Hi all. My favourite(just for the styling) is the T1. Did you know the South Australian Railways built 12 4-8-4's and styled them on the T1. These were a very successful class of loco and 2 have been preserved. One is being returned to service(slowly!).
 
 
Regards Wes
Posted by: Chessie 2101 Posted on: Dec 30th, 2005, 9:02pm
My favorite is the S-2 Turbine.I'v got a very nice model by Williams sitting right in front of me.
Posted by: Anthony_Ribera Posted on: Feb 6th, 2006, 12:30pm
I'd have to go with the K-4s. But i like all the PRR Steam Loco's. They were all designed well, and did their own part in making the PRR The Standard Railroad of The World! Heres some pics of some of my HO K-4 Models. Enjoy. They are all kitbashed. Bowser, Bachmann Spectrum, Brass, Pennline. Cary, Cal-Scale. You name it its prolly on the model!
Posted by: Anthony_Ribera Posted on: Feb 6th, 2006, 12:36pm
Some more
Posted by: TFO Posted on: Feb 7th, 2006, 1:44am
I know it's cliched but, K4s 3768.
 
Stunning, simply stunning.
Posted by: IrishChieftain Posted on: Feb 7th, 2006, 3:03pm
on Sep 23rd, 2005, 1:15am, u25b wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hi all. My favourite (just for the styling) is the T1. Did you know the South Australian Railways built 12 4-8-4's and styled them on the T1
Yes, some of us do know about SAR's 520 class.  Built for the only other 5' 3" gauge railroad that I know of outside of Ireland, too (in the English-speaking world, that is).  Here's 523...
 

Posted by: RDG484 Posted on: Feb 11th, 2006, 11:01am
I like the K-5.  The bell under the headlight was a nice touch.  Come to think of it, that locomotive COULD have been a P-6 Hudson if it had a larger firebox!!!
Posted by: streamline_j3 Posted on: Feb 11th, 2006, 11:24am
 Well my personial favorits will probable be the strange ones like the t-1 4-4-4-4,
 and the 4-4-6-4 engines because I like the strange ones and the one of a kind like the diesil that was featured on the cover of the May 2005 issue of the Trains Mag.
   Would love to kit bash it if I can find the right loco's to do it with.
Posted by: CALZEPHYR Posted on: Jul 30th, 2006, 4:21pm
on Feb 19th, 2005, 9:28am, NKP759fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
My favorite Pennsy steam locomotive were the K-4, M1a, and the L1 mikado.

 
My favorite was the J1a, but the K4 was next in line for me on the PRR.    
We would visit the coaling tower in Effingham Illinois and be invited up fairly often up into the cab while they were servicing the locomotives.  
 
The J1 were magnificent locomotives in size and design.  To watch one start a train of one hundred and thirty cars or so was a treat.
 
We also paced them a few times east of town for a few miles just to watch.
Posted by: VaPennsyFan Posted on: Aug 1st, 2007, 9:58pm
For sheer beauty, I think you have to go with the early atlantics, E-2, E-3 classes.  The K-4s are neat engines too.  But how about some love for the class G-5 ten-wheelers?
 
Jon
Posted by: SRC#90_KB3PQD Posted on: Oct 30th, 2007, 9:15am
Mine would have to be the T-1s and K-4s. The T-1 is just a cool looking streamliner, and the K-4 is one of the PRR's workhorses, they could do everything, except do your schoolwork .
KB3PQD signing out
Posted by: CALZEPHYR Posted on: Dec 21st, 2007, 5:24pm
This is one of my favorite Pennsylvania Locomotives.   I found it inside the Steamtown backshop last week.  It will be shipped back to Altoona soon, but I believe they will finish it and we will see it run again.  
 
 
 
Posted by: Espee9180 Posted on: Dec 21st, 2007, 5:38pm
My favorite is the Q-2. Just love that wheel config. It was also the most powerful and had the most pulling force for a non-articulate. Not to mention the heaviest. The K-4's are a close second.
Posted by: Anthony_SRR Posted on: Dec 21st, 2007, 6:15pm
I like the G-5 (LIRR No.39) but  I also love 1223 and 7002. Can't go wrong there
 

 
Anthony
Posted by: CALZEPHYR Posted on: Dec 21st, 2007, 11:06pm
on Dec 21st, 2007, 6:15pm, Anthony_SRR wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I like the G-5 (LIRR No.39) but  I also love 1223 and 7002. Can't go wrong there
 

 
Anthony

The  
LI G5's look like a small K4 to me from most angles.  They have the large tender and have the overall look except from the side of an early K4.
 
Is the 39 being restored for possible running or just paint for display??
 
I had read that both the LI G5's might have been under restoration, but that was ten years ago.  
Posted by: Pennsy Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2007, 12:39am
Hi All,
 
The LIRR and PRR G-5s was quite large, in fact I have read that it was the largest ten wheeler ever built.
Posted by: Full_Throttle Posted on: Dec 23rd, 2007, 3:24pm
I would have to say the E6 K3 K4 M1 TI! Nice locos. Really like the cabs on the E6 and K3 with the double windows.
 
 
-Full Throttle-
 
-Run Fast, Run Hard, Steam Is King!
Posted by: The_Bessemer_Man Posted on: Feb 1st, 2009, 3:35pm
I know this is an old topic but here you go. First, I admit my favorite steamer ( this ISN"t from the Pennsy ) is the 643. now, my favorite locmotives are M-1 moutains, J-1, K-4, and Atlantics
Posted by: gg1rick Posted on: Apr 16th, 2009, 10:43am
Gotta cast my vote for the M1a with the LD tender, then the K4s not far behind. Both in the prewar non-modernized version  . The H8/9/10 consol ain't too shabby either. And who can deny the brute beauty of the I1s/a??
Rick S
Posted by: PRR-RDG Posted on: May 26th, 2009, 6:52pm
Lets see................E6s,K4s,M1,G5,T1,Q1&2,S1,L1,N1,J1,I1,D16,H10 that covers most of them
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 11th, 2014, 8:37pm
I'm very partial to the Pennsy Decapods, as they were used frequently in upstate NY. Here is a survivor I saw last weekend:
 

 
 
 

 
Both photos in this post were taken by me Saturday 4/5/2014 in Hamburg, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Oct 20th, 2016, 8:14pm
I saw ex-PRR #4483 again recently:
 

 
This photo was taken by me Saturday 10/1/2016 in Hamburg, NY.
Posted by: PennsyFan2017 Posted on: Mar 15th, 2017, 9:15pm
I'd have to say the A5s because my first model locomotive, the T1 because they are trying to build a new one and that's pretty exciting, the S1 was huge and pretty cool looking despite not being the best in the world, the Q2s were probably the best duplex locomotives built, the K4s looked pretty awesome when streamlined, and the M1s were some of the best locos of the Pennsy.