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NKP759fan
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Favorite Pennsy Steam Locomotives?
 
« on: Feb 19th, 2005, 9:28am »
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My favorite Pennsy steam locomotive were the K-4, M1a, and the L1 mikado.

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Nickel Plate Road "Berkshire" #759
Built: August 1944
Builder: Lima Locomotives Works
Driver diameter: 69 inches
Boiler Pressure: 245
Coal: 22 tons
Water: 22,000 gallons
Retired: 1958
Used on the famous High Iron Excursions
http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/steamtown/shs2o.htm
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Re: Favorite Pennsy Steam Locomotives?
 
« Reply #1 on: Feb 19th, 2005, 10:37am »
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Hi NKP,
 
First, let me admit that # 759 is one of my favorites, and is alive and well, and ready to run, in HO gauge, in my stable.
 
Next; my favorite PRR steamers would be those that are also in my HO stable, and are equally alive and well and ready to run. These are the L-1s Mikado (Bowser), the I-1s Decapod (Penn Line), and the H-10s Consolidation (Bowser).  
 
Just for the fun of it, I once hooked up all three PRR steamers to see how many cars they could pull. I didn't have enough cars to stall them. Going with them, one at a time, they simply leaned into the load, and walked away with the cars, in excess of 40 cars. It is all in the weight on the drivers, and that seven pole motor.


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« Reply #2 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 7:11pm »
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Hi Pennsy,
I'm happy the 759 is one of your favorite locomotives. I"m betting the I-1s can pull 40 cars on your layout, but i'm not positive it can. Thanks for replying.


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Nickel Plate Road "Berkshire" #759
Built: August 1944
Builder: Lima Locomotives Works
Driver diameter: 69 inches
Boiler Pressure: 245
Coal: 22 tons
Water: 22,000 gallons
Retired: 1958
Used on the famous High Iron Excursions
http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/steamtown/shs2o.htm
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Re: Favorite Pennsy Steam Locomotives?
 
« Reply #3 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 8:13pm »
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Hi NKP,
 
Yes, it can, but fortunately I run the engines with Ammeters monitoring them. It has saved many an engine. Once an engine starts pulling more than one ampere, that is it, shut her down and inspect, thoroughly. Yes, before that I did burn up a few motors.  
 
As for the real # 759, it appears that age has crept up on her. It is a rough deal when you sit down with the computer and it tells you that it is economically unfeasible to restore an engine. And then you have to re-certify the engine every few years. # 2, a 2-6-2 Prairie at OERM is in the process of being re-certified AGAIN. Even with almost 100 % volunteers doing all the work, it is really expensive. By comparison, she is a small steamer, with a big Berkshire, Lots of Luck. F. Nelson Blount, HELP !!!  It would be interesting if Bill Gates could be persuaded to underwrite her restoration, wouldn't it


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« Reply #4 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 10:16pm »
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Hi Pennsy,
Restoring a Steam Locomotive is very expensive. At Steamtown right now, they have  Boston & Maine 3713 4-6-2 Pacific that is under restoration to operation by 2007. After the 3713 is finished, the 759 is in consideration , also the 790 a 2-8-0 freight engine built in 1903 is under consideration to. But when the 3713 is done, another locomotive won't be restored right away. The 3713 restoration is being sponsored by the Lackawanna & Wyoming Valley railway historical society, and they are working hard to come up with the funds to restore her. It's going pretty good so far. If some organization comes to sponsor the restoration of the NKP 759, I'm sure she would be restored, but the Park Service is strapped for money so they really can't afford to restore a locomotive , so if some organization pledges to raise the money to restore the 759, I'm sure she would be restored.


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Nickel Plate Road "Berkshire" #759
Built: August 1944
Builder: Lima Locomotives Works
Driver diameter: 69 inches
Boiler Pressure: 245
Coal: 22 tons
Water: 22,000 gallons
Retired: 1958
Used on the famous High Iron Excursions
http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/steamtown/shs2o.htm
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« Reply #5 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 10:41am »
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Hi NKP,
 
Now I see why Steamtown needs to charge for admission etc. Although the money is going for good causes, there is no end to it. By the time the last engine is restored, the first one will need re-certification, etc.  
 
I would imagine that first generation diesels are easier to maintain and keep on the rails in active service.  
 
Ever think of Union Pacific's trick with its E-9's ? Essentially the engines are GP-38's internally, and E-9's externally. Would such a philosophy work with steamers ? How would # 759 be in she is the same externally, and internally modern, with  computer control etc. etc. I would imagine she would be easier to re-certify that way.


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« Reply #6 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 6:04pm »
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I don't think that would ever happen with a Steam Locomotive. Steamtown is dedicated to authenticity and will not even think about computer controlled, and it would be very, very , very expensive. It just wouldn't work out. I don't even want to think about a computer controlled steamer.

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Nickel Plate Road "Berkshire" #759
Built: August 1944
Builder: Lima Locomotives Works
Driver diameter: 69 inches
Boiler Pressure: 245
Coal: 22 tons
Water: 22,000 gallons
Retired: 1958
Used on the famous High Iron Excursions
http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/steamtown/shs2o.htm
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« Reply #7 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 8:22pm »
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I like PRR's Q2 steamers, very unique.
 
Also, the M1a Mountains are very nice too, well built!


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« Reply #8 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 7:27am »
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I'm kinda sweet on their Atlantics!!!    
 
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Re: Favorite Pennsy Steam Locomotives?
 
« Reply #10 on: Mar 2nd, 2005, 11:45pm »
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I confess a certain passion for the E6 class Atlantics.  460 is a personal favorite.

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« Reply #11 on: Mar 4th, 2005, 4:20pm »
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Does anybody know how the Pennsy M-1 "mountain" at the Railroad Museum of PA is holding up?

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Nickel Plate Road "Berkshire" #759
Built: August 1944
Builder: Lima Locomotives Works
Driver diameter: 69 inches
Boiler Pressure: 245
Coal: 22 tons
Water: 22,000 gallons
Retired: 1958
Used on the famous High Iron Excursions
http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/steamtown/shs2o.htm
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 6th, 2005, 1:30pm »
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i dunno.but wat i do know is that 1223 is my favorite pennsy steamer

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« Reply #13 on: Mar 7th, 2005, 2:59am »
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# 7002!!!
 
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« Reply #14 on: Mar 7th, 2005, 5:04am »
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The M-1.  I think it was one of the best pre-Super Power steam locomotives ever built.  Great for freight or passenger service.

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« Reply #15 on: Mar 7th, 2005, 7:32pm »
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I definetly agree with you RDG484. The M-1's could handle very heavy freight trains and also were well suited for fast passenger service. Very powerful, I'm not bragging here but maybe with a good engineer at the controls a M-1 could handle the same tonnage a T-1 was used to.

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Nickel Plate Road "Berkshire" #759
Built: August 1944
Builder: Lima Locomotives Works
Driver diameter: 69 inches
Boiler Pressure: 245
Coal: 22 tons
Water: 22,000 gallons
Retired: 1958
Used on the famous High Iron Excursions
http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/steamtown/shs2o.htm
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« Reply #16 on: Mar 26th, 2005, 8:30pm »
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I like the K4's, M1's, I1's, and H10's.

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« Reply #17 on: Mar 27th, 2005, 10:00am »
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Hi Dougal,
 
Piece of trivia: If you like the K-4's, you have to also like the L-1's. They use the same boiler, they are interchangeable. Another part of PRR's genius with their locomotives. Lots of interchangeable parts.


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« Reply #18 on: Mar 27th, 2005, 11:34am »
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And those belpaire crown sheets were unique and more safer than rounded crown sheets. But the early K-4's and L-1's did not have stokers and you needed a fireman made of steel to bail that much coal into the firebox. I can't imagine shoveling 10 tons of coal in a K-4 firebox for a 100 mile run.

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Nickel Plate Road "Berkshire" #759
Built: August 1944
Builder: Lima Locomotives Works
Driver diameter: 69 inches
Boiler Pressure: 245
Coal: 22 tons
Water: 22,000 gallons
Retired: 1958
Used on the famous High Iron Excursions
http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/steamtown/shs2o.htm
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 27th, 2005, 11:55am »
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In no particular order:
The first two T1's (6110 & 6111)
The J1 and J1a 2-10-4's
The K4s (pre-WWII appearance only!)
The M1 and M1a's
The Q2 4-4-6-4's


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