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mike_nepa
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« Reply #60 on: Jul 19th, 2009, 9:27am »
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This shows just how bad the growth has become. The railroad bed is totally grown in and cannot be seen here. This is the same location where JS 66/CR 21 is. The ties are left in place but are now totally hidden by growth.  
 
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« Reply #61 on: Jul 19th, 2009, 11:43pm »
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on Jul 19th, 2009, 9:25am, mike_nepa wrote:       (Click here for original message)
This was an unusual find. I never seen tie plates that looked like this before!  
Quite different then all the others I have seen, the usual square type.

These things are called hook twin tie plates.  They are used under frogs and beyond the heel of the switch where the two rails are too close together to fit in regular tie plates without overlapping.  They are the poor man's substitute for special plates with welded on shoulders.  
 
They are slid under the frog or rails until the hook side is tight up against the rail with the hook over the base of rail, one from each side and then spiked down.  
 
The negative of these things is that they are death on ties.  They chew up the wood, reducing the tie life, by how much depends on who is talking.  25% to 40% off the life of the tie compared to what it would have under the more expensive plates is the range usually quoted.  
 
They are usually used by lines trying to operate as cheap as possible and where wood cost is relatively low.


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« Reply #62 on: Jul 20th, 2009, 6:17am »
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Makes sense since I found those along the diverging ties. I can see what you mean by having the set of spikes so close to each other it almost looks like it will split the tie in that spot since there is so little wood between the spikes.  
 
That is the first time I saw these things, now I know why they aren't used much.  
 
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« Reply #63 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 4:29pm »
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Had another trip down to Snow Shoe and was able to stop at the waterfall to check things out. What looked like another railroad bed above was not one.

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« Reply #64 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 4:30pm »
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Looking up the path shows it to be just an ATV path. The grade was no good for it to be a railroad bed.

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« Reply #65 on: Aug 4th, 2009, 4:30pm »
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These stone walls are probably just for retaining.

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« Reply #66 on: Aug 5th, 2009, 7:29pm »
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Great pics Mike!  It's been a while since I've been on SSRT and I wish I had more time to check stuff out.  
 
Do you have any plans on riding the track that runs in the Faunce area?


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« Reply #67 on: Aug 8th, 2009, 10:43am »
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on Jul 19th, 2009, 9:21am, mike_nepa wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I spotted this halfway between the Peale Tunnel and Viaduct. It looks like two wooden walls. Only having a short time to do my own thing, I marked it and moved on.
 

 
 
Mike, this is the remains of a structure that protected a water pump for General Refractories Co.'s Peale No. 1 Mine.  Fireclay, not coal, was mined here.  The drift and remains of other support structures for this mine are located just off the NYC grade a little west of this pump site.
 


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« Reply #68 on: Aug 10th, 2009, 5:17pm »
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on Aug 5th, 2009, 7:29pm, Pappy wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Great pics Mike!  It's been a while since I've been on SSRT and I wish I had more time to check stuff out.  
 
Do you have any plans on riding the track that runs in the Faunce area?

 
I found it on my map, it is quite a ways from SSRT. It is shown as abandoned but it would be way too far away from SSRT to even attempt it. Aside from the fact between SSRT and that spot I doubt is open to ATV use. I know nothing of that area.  
 
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« Reply #69 on: Aug 10th, 2009, 5:22pm »
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on Aug 8th, 2009, 10:43am, Beech_Cricker wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
Mike, this is the remains of a structure that protected a water pump for General Refractories Co.'s Peale No. 1 Mine.  Fireclay, not coal, was mined here.  The drift and remains of other support structures for this mine are located just off the NYC grade a little west of this pump site.
 

 
Thanks for that info. I just happened across it while riding but it was late afternoon and had no time to check it out. The growth would prevent any decent pictures anyway so I am waiting until it dies off again.  
 
Planning on a late November day to go look for the stuff.  
 
I am building a map to be used when we try for this. After locating some of the mile posts, then projecting where the other ones should be (or were) Then I placed on the map the projected locations for items mentioned in your article about the history of the railroad line. This should allow us to zero in on potential artifacts within 20-30 feet if my marks are accurate.  
 
I had a successful try at doing this year on the D&H's Penn Division. I didn't have a history document, but used the employee timetables which gives mile points. I also found stuff that was not on any data I had.  
 
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« Reply #70 on: Aug 16th, 2009, 8:04am »
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On the same day we rode the roads out to Kato and here at the Kato Bridge I found ties arranged opposing the Beech Creek line. The Beech creek line can be seen in the foreground, the these ties oppose it.

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« Reply #71 on: Aug 16th, 2009, 8:06am »
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Turning 90 degrees left, you can see the single lane road bridge called "Kato Bridge" To the left just before the bridge is the remains of a foundation. It is covered up now with growth, I photographed it in May but it was not well seen. I wonder if this bridge was a railroad bridge converted to road use?
Then the building to the left would have maybe served a mine or something? The way the ties are arranged it would be like a diamond crossing to the Beech Creek line.
 
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« Reply #72 on: Aug 16th, 2009, 8:09am »
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A few photos from May, A side shot of the Kato Bridge

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« Reply #73 on: Aug 16th, 2009, 8:09am »
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Just before the bridge is the remains, the remains are to the left of this picture and you can see a grade here. Too wet to investigate at the time.

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« Reply #74 on: Aug 16th, 2009, 8:10am »
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A poor shot of the foundation remains. This will be photographed again after all this growth dies off.

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« Reply #75 on: Aug 16th, 2009, 8:12am »
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Now walking in the Beech Creek line going the opposite way, is this platform. (I was walking towards Clarence) This is about 200 yards from the Kato crossing.

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« Reply #76 on: Aug 16th, 2009, 8:13am »
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Opposite the platform is more remains of a building.  


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« Reply #77 on: Sep 27th, 2010, 6:06pm »
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Was down SSRT this past weekend and the growth is still too high for any good exploring but as we were looping back to the main trail (railbed) I spotted this.  
To the left of it would be level to the main railbed. This I think is about 1/2 mile from the Peale Tunnel.


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« Reply #78 on: Sep 27th, 2010, 6:07pm »
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There seems to be some signs what we were on was a spur or side track? Hard to tell at this time, but worth checking out after the growth dies off.
 
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« Reply #79 on: Oct 23rd, 2010, 7:13pm »
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on Sep 27th, 2010, 6:06pm, mike_nepa wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Was down SSRT this past weekend and the growth is still too high for any good exploring but as we were looping back to the main trail (railbed) I spotted this.  
To the left of it would be level to the main railbed. This I think is about 1/2 mile from the Peale Tunnel.

 
Mike, that is the remains of the General Refractories Co. fireclay tipple at Peale. The spur serving it was known as the "clay siding."
 
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