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mike_nepa
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« Reply #40 on: May 24th, 2009, 11:08am »
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We followed the railbed out more (the Conrail part) It crosses through a homeowners driveway. He does allow ATVs to travel through at a slow speed so we did so. Here a small section of rail is still in place.

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« Reply #41 on: May 24th, 2009, 11:11am »
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Near Cassanova, we spotted this neat little waterfall. I noticed the stonework above and what appears to be a railgrade. As we continued from this point I noticed this grade follows along the railbed but higher up. Hmm what could this be?


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« Reply #42 on: May 24th, 2009, 11:11am »
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This is the area where the waterfall would be left of this picture.

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« Reply #43 on: May 24th, 2009, 11:12am »
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This was also seen in the same area. The wires are still inside the pipe but what this box was is unknown.

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« Reply #44 on: May 24th, 2009, 11:13am »
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A ride by picture showing the signs of a railroad grade past the waterfalls.

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« Reply #45 on: May 24th, 2009, 11:14am »
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A cool find, a call box still standing.

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« Reply #46 on: May 24th, 2009, 11:15am »
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A possible mile post toppled over. The markings were not readable.

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« Reply #47 on: May 24th, 2009, 11:18am »
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A critical find. Mile post #66 along with the Conrail mile post #21. Now I can use that to make projections and translations (between NYC and Conrail markings)  
 
I did try to look for remains of items that were in the History of Peale, but the growth was just too much to see anything. I did spot a few things back in April but was not possible to stop and photograph (plus my camera broke)  We plan to go back after the growth dies off but what was seen and marked these past two trips will be very helpful.
 
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« Reply #48 on: May 27th, 2009, 9:12pm »
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Mike,
 
The waterfall and grade above the NYC is in the area of Kyler Mine.  This was one large facility back in the day, all up there on the sidehill.
 
The one concrete box may be related to the crossing signals at Munson (Casanova is on the other side of the Red Moshannon).
 
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« Reply #49 on: May 28th, 2009, 4:11pm »
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We will have to check out the area by the waterfalls in the fall.  
 
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« Reply #50 on: May 28th, 2009, 6:54pm »
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Mike,
 
This is a very interesting thread ! Thank you for posting it.
 
The concrete box in reply #43 might be a battery box for signals, which could include crossing signals.
 
Have you looked at www.historical.maptech.com ? They have old topo maps of this area.  Looking at them shows some interesting nearby features such as a large yard in Clearfield and a switchback going up to the Perry Moshannon Mine from the area around Spruce and Coleman's Siding.  
 
Keep up the good work!  
 
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on May 28th, 2009, 6:54pm, SouthBendModel34 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Mike,
 
This is a very interesting thread ! Thank you for posting it.
 
The concrete box in reply #43 might be a battery box for signals, which could include crossing signals.
 
Have you looked at www.historical.maptech.com ? They have old topo maps of this area.  Looking at them shows some interesting nearby features such as a large yard in Clearfield and a switchback going up to the Perry Moshannon Mine from the area around Spruce and Coleman's Siding.  
 
Keep up the good work!  
 
John R.

 
That would explain the wires and such. I didn't have time to investigate further since it was late afternoon and I was riding with the club so I couldn't stop like I wanted to. Naturally we have plans to go back to look for some more stuff. Some will have to wait until the growth dies off again to see things more clearly. Finding the mile posts on both ends is a big help as I can make projections.  
 
I have download quite a few maps from that site. I use a program to stitch the 4 parts to one map. I even recently had a bunch of paper maps scanned and sent him a copy to add to his site.  
 
One program I use now that is a big help is called "expertgps" You can download a 30 day trial and to register it is like $50. Two key features I use is the ability to take these historical USGS maps and calibrate them so they can be overlayed with GPS data.  
 
The second feature is the ability to Geotag photos. What you do is set the clock on the camera and the GPS to be the same. Turn on the tracking and go shoot pictures. The program will take the data and then insert the GPS coordinates into each picture it can find a match for.  
 
This picture is geotagged. It is one of the many missing bridges along the 1966 abandonment of the line. If you used a program like ifanview and display the EXIF information, there is an option to show this in Google Earth. You will see exactly where I was standing when I took this picture.


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« Reply #52 on: May 30th, 2009, 8:39am »
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This is an export from ExpertGPS showing tracking data and some pre-plotted data on the topo map.

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« Reply #53 on: May 30th, 2009, 8:40am »
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Taking the 1931 USGS map of Snow Shoe. I calibrated it to ExpertGPS and this is the result.  
 
A very nice program indeed!
 


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« Reply #54 on: Jun 1st, 2009, 6:11pm »
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Mike,
 
A word of caution if you are exploring via ATV...
 
The roadbed east of a point between the Black Bear Run bridge and Winburne, plus the former NYC Philipsburg Branch is owned by R. J. Corman.  It is NOT a rail-trail.  Operating an ATV on RJC property is trespassing.  I know the Cormans have posted 'No Trespassing' signs here and there and there has been discussion about this at local township and borough council meetings.  I do not know how much these segments are actually patrolled.  Just something to keep in mind.


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Mike,
 
A word of caution if you are exploring via ATV...
 
The roadbed east of a point between the Black Bear Run bridge and Winburne, plus the former NYC Philipsburg Branch is owned by R. J. Corman.  It is NOT a rail-trail.  Operating an ATV on RJC property is trespassing.  I know the Cormans have posted 'No Trespassing' signs here and there and there has been discussion about this at local township and borough council meetings.  I do not know how much these segments are actually patrolled.  Just something to keep in mind.

 
I know some areas are posted and we abide by them. When we went past the Black Bear section we did not see any signs until we hit Coaldale (?) Then we saw a posting, and turned back. In SSRT we mainly see patrols looking to make sure you have your permit, wearing helmets,  and have insurance up to snuff. I have my stuff up to snuff. Thanks for the info.
 
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« Reply #56 on: Jun 3rd, 2009, 5:30pm »
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To clarify. The picture of the loading platforms is in an area posted no ATV's I parked my machine and walked in to take the pictures.  
 


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« Reply #57 on: Jul 19th, 2009, 9:21am »
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This is definitely not a good time of year to do exploring but we were down SSRT for a club ride and I had a chance to break off and check a few things out.  
 
I spotted this halfway between the Peale Tunnel and Viaduct. It looks like two wooden walls. Only having a short time to do my own thing, I marked it and moved on.
 


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« Reply #58 on: Jul 19th, 2009, 9:23am »
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Despite the heavy growth, this is the remains of a diverging track that apparently leads to Winburne. Probably a spur line.

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« Reply #59 on: Jul 19th, 2009, 9:25am »
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This was an unusual find. I never seen tie plates that looked like this before!  
Quite different then all the others I have seen, the usual square type.


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