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mike_nepa
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« Reply #100 on: Apr 18th, 2011, 6:33pm »
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The township road was closed due to a bridge being replaced. Here at a refractory, these abutments appear to once have been a track. I have a 1931 map that shows a track to this point and converging down the line.

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« Reply #101 on: Apr 18th, 2011, 6:34pm »
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This appears to be another pump house, more intact at MP 49.9
 


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« Reply #102 on: Apr 18th, 2011, 6:35pm »
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A closer view of the remains of the coke ovens at Gorton.

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« Reply #103 on: Apr 18th, 2011, 6:36pm »
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Another picture, is this the firebrick used in the ovens? The shape is circular  and one right after another based on the remains.

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« Reply #104 on: Apr 18th, 2011, 6:37pm »
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At Gorton where staging tracks once was, we saw this.

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« Reply #105 on: Apr 18th, 2011, 6:38pm »
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This was an unusual find. There are about 16 of these cut down poles, but they are much thicker then line side poles. These are directly across the Mile Post #59.

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« Reply #106 on: Apr 18th, 2011, 6:39pm »
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At MP59.4 I came across more of these thicker poles. Here there was about 10 of them, the other location (59.0) had more like 16 of them. Same side of the railbed as the other.

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« Reply #107 on: Apr 18th, 2011, 6:40pm »
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The remains of the Peale Train station.

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« Reply #108 on: Apr 18th, 2011, 6:41pm »
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After crossing the viaduct, heading along the main line before I-80's bridges I spotted this. This would be about MP59.9

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« Reply #109 on: Apr 18th, 2011, 6:43pm »
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Mile Posts #60,61,62,63,64 were not found. This is the remains of Mile post #65. Unlike the others seen, this is on the opposite side of the railbed. The next one up the line seen before (#66) is back on the "normal" side. On the way back I looked for the above posts on the other side and they were not found.

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« Reply #110 on: Apr 18th, 2011, 6:44pm »
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Tipple found at Grassflat


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« Reply #111 on: Apr 22nd, 2011, 7:08pm »
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Mike,
 
Excellent work with not only the high quality pics but the location details.  Some answers/comments...
 
Whistle post--what was unique about this one? It appears to be the common style used on this line. I have the upper half or maybe just the third of one in my backyard. It is due for another repainting.
 
The brickyard at Snow Shoe (Clarence) is the former J. H. France Refractories which was the last active customer on the line between Winburne  end of track (at Snow Shoe). Both NYC (from the east) and PRR (from the west) served this facility. In fact the two roads had an official interchange here--yes, right on the brickyard property!
 
The pump house is probably not railroad-related. There likely would not have been a need for something like this here as there was no standpipe here. Also, it is not indicated on the valuation map.
 
Firebrick likely made up the beehive ovens at Gorton.
 
The "cut down" poles opposite MP 59 are at what was known as the "sinkhole." The railroad constantly had problems here with slides and the poles were meant to help shore up the hillside in order to keep the grade level side-to-side.
 
I'm scratching my head about the remains of Peale station. Are you sure this was the station site? That cinder block can't be related to the station. Perhaps someone is doing some excavating and construction here?
 
At MP 59.9, that is the abutment for the coal dock trestle.
 
So you believe MP 65 was on the north side of the track? That does seem unsual. Are you sure this wasn't the remains of a whistle post?
 
I've not been to my tramping grounds here since October 2008. I'm really getting an itch to return. I'm way past due. Being stuck in the flatlands is driving me up the wall.
 
Have you read my write-up on the railroad at John Krygier's Peale website? If not this will give you more details on Viaduct-Gorton segment.
 
Jeff
 
 


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« Reply #112 on: Apr 23rd, 2011, 10:34am »
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The whistle post is unique to me because in the Northeast PA area, there were no New York Central lines. My area was dominated by Anthracite Coal. This style of post is the first one I have ever seen.  
 
I had thought the small building could have been a more intact pumphose since it seemed the same size as the other ones (although mostly gone) I don't have valuation maps of the line so it was a guess of mine. No biggie I have been wrong before.  
 
The heavy tree growth prevented getting an overall picture of the ovens. From what I saw the foundation remains were very long. Signs of a track servicing it was hard to see as well.  
 
Thanks for the information on the cut down poles. It makes sense now since the berm on that side of the railroad is very steep and would be susceptible to erosion.  
 
I attached a map with a GPS mark of the foundation remains that I call the Peale Station. The mark is "010" in addition, I have marked the mile points based on the posts that I found and marked, and projecting to those that are now missing.  The station remains are off Gorton road, southeast of the line, on the opposite side of the road, is where the fire clay tipple and spur track was found. In the map, the spur track is actually still shown. I did take additional pictures of the remains and some of it is older material. I do think I have the right location based on your publication. The cinder block does look like "newer" construction but I don't know why.  
 
As for mile post #65. The remains were mangled and broken so there wasn't anything readable on it. It was the only post found on the opposite side of the railbed which in itself seemed unusual.  The reason I think it is the mile post is although the posts are missing past the viaduct. I was able to project in one mile increments where the other posts would be. We looked for them but none were found. JS-59 is known and found, the next known one was JS-66 so my projections should not be far off. I did a similar projection along the D&H's Penn Division and was able to located toppled over posts within 50 feet of my projected marks. If your map shows the whistle post at the same location as the post, then this is what it must be and the post itself is missing like 60-64.  
 
Once I had made a map of the mile posts (known and projected) I used the information in your document to project where other artifacts could be. Example being:  the next location of significance was Peale station, MP 58.01. The Peale station  
 
I would then make a mark as a potential artifact and upload this data to my GPS and then go look for it. This has worked very well for locating artifacts along the D&H's Penn Division.  
 
 
I will look for that other article and read it. It might help to locate more stuff.
 
Mike


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More pictures of the station remains.
 


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Second one
 


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Third one
 


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« Reply #116 on: Apr 25th, 2011, 4:24pm »
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Do you have his website, I did some google searching but I didn't find it.
 
Mike
 
 
on Apr 22nd, 2011, 7:08pm, Beech_Cricker wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Mike,
 
Have you read my write-up on the railroad at John Krygier's Peale website? If not this will give you more details on Viaduct-Gorton segment.
 
Jeff
 
 



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on Apr 25th, 2011, 4:24pm, mike_nepa wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Do you have his website, I did some google searching but I didn't find it.
 
Mike
 
 

 
Mike, here you go:
 
http://go.owu.edu/~jbkrygie/krygier_html/peale/peale.html
 
More soon.
 
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« Reply #118 on: Apr 26th, 2011, 8:58pm »
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Mike,
 
I think you have the Peale station site right, that is north of the track, east of the "highway" crossing.
 
That slab on the ground looks familiar, as does the block-like thing on its side. I think the pipe is what went under the township road at the crossing.
 
What baffles me though is the cinder block structure which appears to be partially below ground. This is new to me. I know there is Marcellus Shale drilling activity in the area so maybe this is related to those efforts.
 
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« Reply #119 on: Apr 27th, 2011, 7:57am »
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Hi Guys,
 
I’ve been following this thread for a while and thought you might be interested in the book “Today and Tomorrow: Railroads of the Area” that can be purchased for $10 from the Clearfield Historical Society.  I seen the reference from John Krygier’s site and Amazon wanted $75 but $10 is a lot easier on the budget.
 
http://www.clfdhistory.org/public_html/bookstore.htm
 
I just purchased a Garmin Oregon 450 and hope to explore Gazzam over the next few weeks.  If you’re interested I could share my information.
 
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