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It's not just all about NY Harbor! - By E.E. ROLFL, ESQ. on 10/07/16 at 11:03:45 - 'MilwaukeeMT_20.jpg' 47 KB
Puget Sound had rail marine action, too!
 
I present exhibit M (as in "M" for Milwaukee Road), courtesy of -  
 
LINK URL

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Re: Brrr, it's getting cold out there! - By Bridge 1A on 01/05/16 at 10:34:38 - 'BO_Tug-2.jpg' 248 KB
Here's one that is COMPLETELY appropriate for today's weather here in the NY Harbor area......Here we see the B&O's Roy B. White at St. George, Staten Island, sometime in the early 1970's.......The Roy. B. White was a diesel tug built to the Bowes design in 1953 by the RTC Shipbuilding Company in Camden, NJ. After her time with the B&O, she moved across the river to Brooklyn to work for the NY Dock Ry, and then in to Boston in the 1980's for a ship docking company. But her story doesn't end there! In 2003, she was bought by a company and moved across the Atlantic Ocen to Nigeria! I'm not sure if she's stil lactive, there, but the amazing thing is, is that that you must remember that these tugs are not generally designed to be seaworthy, and I believe she made said trip under her own power!

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Re: Dynamic Duos - By H. F. MALONE 3041 on 10/19/15 at 14:54:23 - 'Untitled2.jpg' 108 KB
How about a little fire, Scarecrow?
 
Well, in this case, fire that creates some steam!
 
As this is my last photo post (at least for now) on this particular topic, here we have the Bernardsville and the Madison (both DL&W-served towns in New Jersey, and which are still NJ Transit train stops today, btw!), and instead of being laid up at Hoboken, are show sitting in view of the NY Port Authority New York State Barge Canal grain elevator in the Red Hook sectiion of Brooklyn.  
LINK URL
 
As to why they are here, I can only speculate. The grain terminal did NOT see traffic heavy enough to warrant two railroad owned tugs to NORMALLY be here. Indeed, a mystery to me. Also, I do not have a date, though I suspect sometime between 1950 and 1960. It could also be proposed that this is AFTER the sale of these tugs, probably sometime after the 1960 merger.
 
These tugs (I can confirm the Madison, not the Bernardsville) , and it's stablemates (5 in total) were built in the first decade of the 1900's, and were probably all re-powered in the late 1950's to diesel power, in an attempt to reduce costs. Why the Lackawanna spent the money when they had 5 brand new diesel tugs fresh off the shipways, I do not know.
 
Regardless, enjoy the "show", or in this case "share"....
 
As with all of these photos, I can't offer photo up proper credit, because I don't know where I got them , who took them, though a few were eBay auction captures.
 


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Re: Dynamic Duos - By H. F. MALONE 3041 on 10/15/15 at 16:01:44 - 'Untitled-2.jpg' 117 KB
Moving on to something a little older......
 
When last we saw the Nazareth, she was painted in EL green with an EL diamond, but here we have her and stable mate Hoboken in their as-delivered tan on the Lackawanna. These GMA design tugs of the Hoboken class were delivered in 1957, and like the Erie tugs pictured above, were built on Staten Island. These tugs went on to be sold in the early 1970's and went south for ship docking use, typically rebuilr with lower pilot houses and stacks, and retrofitted propellor controlls better suited to their new jobs.

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Re: Dynamic Duos - By H. F. MALONE 3041 on 10/15/15 at 12:01:42 - 'EL_TUG_MARION_ROCHESTER.jpg' 50 KB
Moving to a pair of the EL's ex-Erie tugs, once again at Hoboken, we have the Marion and the Rochster.  
 
The Rochester (biilt 1930) was an interesting tug, built with a low stack and pilot house for Harlem River service (on account of many low bridges, and the lack of need to have to wait for them to be opened so they could pass underneath) It was a diesel tug, built in a era when tug's were still mostly all steam powered.  
 
The Marion (built 1952, and the last of the Erie's "new" tugs, and also the "class" boat of the TAMS design), if I recall corrctly, still exisits, but I've lost track of it as late.

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The S.P.'s Ferry Steamer 'Solano' - By hudsonelectric on 05/06/07 at 20:14:38 - 'Solano-2.jpg' 50 KB
From 1879 to 1930, The Central Pacific RR and then the Southern Pacific RR operated the largest railroad ferry in the world across California's  Carquinez Straits between Benecia to the north and Port Costa to the south. The ferry 'Solano' would take an entire train from one side of the Strait to the other, allowing the train to continue on to Oakland. To give you an idea of the size of this vessel, take a look at the postcard image from my collection. For more fascenating information, click on this link:
 
LINK URL
 
 

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Re: Rail-Marine Department Of The Wabash - By LEHIGHVALLEE on 11/17/06 at 17:02:30 - 'MW_TUG_STERN_641x419.jpg' 38 KB
 And another stern view.
        Lee

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Re: Rail-Marine Department Of The Wabash - By LEHIGHVALLEE on 11/17/06 at 17:01:04 - 'NW_TUG_VERT_421x641.jpg' 39 KB
  The Detroit river was a very important crossing for a number of railroads. The Pere Marquette (later C&O) Michigan Central, Grand Trunk Western, Wabash, Canadian National and Canadian Pacific were all involved in transporting freight (and passenger cars) across the Detroit river. As well as the car ferries there is the Detroit river railroad tunnel constructed by the  Michigan Central. The car ferry operation dropped by the GT and C&O in the fifties with the C&O gaining trackage rights through the tunnel while the GTW dropped its Detroit service in favor of the rail tunnel on the St. Clair river north of Detroit at Port Huron. This left the Wabash and eventualy the N&W crossing the river and interchanging with the CP and CN.
 This service lasted until December 9, 1994 when rail crossing of the river ceased. The reason this service lasted as long as it did was the clearances in the tunnel prevented alot of the automotive traffic from using the tunnel in tri-level auto racks and high cube boxcars. When the GTW built a new tunnel at Port Huron the Car ferries were done. Here is a shot of the N&Ws F.A.Johnson on the detroit river in 1984.
                   Lee

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Re: A Long Way From Ohio - By hudsonelectric on 10/02/06 at 04:27:04 - 'EL_TUGS_Resized.jpg' 119 KB
Here's another view of an EL tug line-up that I took standing in the same general area. I snapped this waaaayyyyy back in the 1970s. I think I was home on leave and in the Navy at the time.  

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9/11/74 - By CAR FLOATER on 09/10/06 at 21:39:09 - 'LV_BOB_1001_600x410-2_450x308.jpg' 20 KB
I wanted to share this picture of what I think is a fitting tribute to both the WTC and the Lehigh Valley's marine operations.
 
From a slide out of my collection taken by Bob Yanosey  
 
Ralph H.

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Re: Rail-Marine Models And Modeling - By CAR FLOATER on 06/19/06 at 17:24:59 - 'bath1.jpg' 59 KB
Here's a few of an exquisite model of the DL&W's Bath, from the Lannan Ship Model Gallery....It recently sold on Ebay for $2,700!!!!!!
 
CF

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Re: Rail-Marine Models And Modeling - By CAR FLOATER on 06/19/06 at 16:35:40 - 'GARY_PACE_MODELS_3.jpg' 36 KB
#3....A tug, but more than likely not railroad owned.
 
CF

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Re: Rail-Marine Models And Modeling - By CAR FLOATER on 06/19/06 at 16:34:05 - 'GARY_PACE_MODELS_2.jpg' 28 KB
#2....I believe these were built from scratch, and are not the AMB laser wood kits....Notice the camber on the ends of the barges.
 
CF

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Re: Rail-Marine Models And Modeling - By CAR FLOATER on 06/19/06 at 16:33:02 - 'GARY_PACE_MODELS_1.jpg' 32 KB
Time to revitalize this thread.......
 
From my own experiences, modeling Rail-Marine operations has really come into it's own, especially with the release of the Walthers models in the mid 90's.
 
Now with Walther's cancellation of said models, companies like AMB and many, many others have come forth to fill the vacum, mostly in HO scale, but lest we forget the popular Lionel tugboats!
 
I'd like to use this thread as a place to show R-M models that you have, have found on the internet, or have seen on layouts you may have visited. Also, we can discuss models for review, wish lists, and other product related modeling questions.
 
So, to kick things back off, read on........
 
Here are some models by a gentleman by the name of Gary Pace, I forget where and by who they were taken.
 
FFW-1

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Re: Tugs Of The Pocahontas Railroads - By CHESSIEMIKE on 06/09/06 at 15:27:42 - 'PRR_Tug_Crisfield_Bill_of_Sale.jpg' 147 KB
Look what "one dollar and other valuable considerations" got back in 1943.
Tug Crisfield was a 110' steel tug that was built in 1903.  Her home port was Cape Charles, VA before she was sold to the C&O.
CHESSIEMIKE

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Re: Espee Mississippi River Car Floatin' - By Grey_Beard on 06/07/06 at 12:56:10 - 'WWL_TV_6-7-06.jpg' 216 KB
Here's the Mississippi River ferry service at and downstream of New Orleans as of June 7, 2006.  I have to show it as a photograph because direct links are ephemeral and would disappear quickly.  The information is from the WWL TV web site.
 
You shoulda been here Monday fo' my red beans 'n' rice.

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Re: Tugs Of The Pocahontas Railroads - By CHESSIEMIKE on 06/06/06 at 23:12:23 - 'Chessie_System_Tug_Chessie_S2293.jpg' 95 KB
Here is a side view of Chessie taken on Sept. 27, 1985 for comparison.  As you can tell, she is a bigger tug.  
CHESSIEMIKE

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Re: Tugs Of The Pocahontas Railroads - By CHESSIEMIKE on 06/06/06 at 23:05:54 - 'Chessie_System_Tug_Walter_J.Tuohy_S37.jpg' 93 KB
on Jun 6th, 2006, 8:35am, CAR FLOATER wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Mike -
 
Thank you VERY much for the follow up! Are these photos from your collection? If so, great stuff.
 
CF
Yes, they are mine.  I will update the Chessie tug photo with a date.
Here is a shot of the tug Walter J. Tuohy taken on March 14, 1984.  Please forgive the quality.  I was new to slide photography and I don't have the best film scanner either.  This tug is similar to the M.I.Dunn and the J.Speed Gray you mentioned at the start of this thread.
CHESSIEMIKE


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From Russia, With Car Ferries - By CAR FLOATER on 06/06/06 at 17:59:50 - 'RUSS.jpg' 26 KB
This just goes to show, Rail-Marine is an international kind of event!  
This photo comes from photographer Valentin Shinkariov, and is of a ferry that operates between Baku and Krasnovodsk in Azerbaijan.  
 
CF

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Re: Espee Mississippi River Car Floatin' - By CAR FLOATER on 06/06/06 at 17:53:30 - 'ELG.jpg' 17 KB
And one more of the barge El Grande.
 
CF

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Re: Espee Mississippi River Car Floatin' - By CAR FLOATER on 06/06/06 at 17:52:06 - 'MAST.jpg' 27 KB
Here's another one of the train barge Mastodon, this ship was used on the Natchez (Miss) operation, I believe.
 
CF

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Espee Mississippi River Car Floatin' - By CAR FLOATER on 06/06/06 at 17:49:09 - 'CARR.jpg' 26 KB
Most people think of the San Fran/Oakland California Rail-Marine operations when it comes to the Southern Pacific, but there was also a very important Mississippi River operation.  
The following Detroit Publishing Company photogragh from Mike Leon's site identifies the car ferry Carrier as operating in New Orleans.  
 
CF


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Re: Lake Erie Ops - By CAR FLOATER on 06/06/06 at 17:45:19 - 'MAR.jpg' 32 KB
Also courtsey of Mike's site (LINK URL )
 
The Marquette and Bessemer Dock and Navigation Company was jointly owned by the Pere Marquette Railway and the Bessemer & Lake Erie Railroad, mostly to carry coal for Pere Marquette locomotives in Canada.  The three company boats operated between Conneaut, Ohio, Port Stanley, Ontario and Erieau, Ontario.  This service ended in 1932.
 
A ship with a most unusual name, the Marquette and Bessemer No.2 (I) was one of the ships used on the route.
 
The Marquette and Bessemer No.2 (I), foundered in Lake Erie in 1909 with the loss of her entire crew.
 
The Marquette and Bessemer No.2 (II), was built to replace her namesake, and was later renamed the Moses Cleaveland in 1937.
 
CF
 


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Lake Erie Ops - By CAR FLOATER on 06/06/06 at 17:32:57 - 'ASH.jpg' 34 KB
Found this, courtesy of Mike Leon's site -
 
The Pennsylvania-Ontario Transportation Company was jointly owned by the Pennsylvania Railroad and the Canadian Pacific Railway, and had a route between Ashtabula, Ohio and Port Burwell, Ontario, for 52 years. Mike does not give a date of when the service was terminated, however.
 
Launched in 1906, the Ashtabula plied the waters of Lake Erie on this route.
 


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Lake Michigan Rail-Marine Ops - By CAR FLOATER on 06/06/06 at 17:14:27 - 'PM.jpg' 32 KB
Here's a Helluva site, lots of cool stuff to look at!
 
LINK URL
 
CF

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Un-looooowding Dem Bannaaaaanners! - By hudsonelectric on 06/06/06 at 11:44:16 - 'Unloading_Bananas_Phostint.jpg' 217 KB
This is a great Detroit Publishing Phostint postcard view, circa 1925 or so, showing how steam converyors were used to unload bananas directly from a ships' cargo hold. This piece of equipment stands off of the dock, so it appears to be mounted on a floating platform. The dock side of it could also be used to transfer the fruit onto a lighter or platform-equipped car float, too. Note the reefer in the circled area...gettin' ready to pack 'em up an' ship 'em out!  

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Re: PRR float operation at Little Creek, Va. - By CHESSIEMIKE on 06/06/06 at 06:49:30 - 'Eastern_Shore_Railroad_P.jpg' 82 KB
At one time they used Alcos to work the car float.
Photo taken in April, 1982.
CHESSIEMIKE

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Re: Tugs Of The Pocahontas Railroads - By CHESSIEMIKE on 06/06/06 at 06:44:00 - 'CO_steam_tug_Chessie_P.jpg' 114 KB
Here is an older Chessie.
From my collection, photographer unknown.
CHESSIEMIKE

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Re: Tugs Of The Pocahontas Railroads - By CHESSIEMIKE on 06/06/06 at 06:40:41 - 'Chessie_System_diesel_tug_Chessie_P.jpg' 137 KB
They did get the new tugs.  Here is Chessie.  Photo taken on Dec. 26, 1983.
CHESSIEMIKE

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Re: PRR float operation at Little Creek, Va. - By CAR FLOATER on 06/05/06 at 17:11:22 - 'PRR.jpg' 28 KB
This is one of those ex-PRR tugs used in NYP&N service, now rotting away at Witte's.....More on the fleet later....
 
 
CF


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Re: PRR float operation at Little Creek, Va. - By toddsyr on 06/05/06 at 12:38:57 - 'CAPT_EDWARD_RICHARDSON_B.jpg' 124 KB
2nd photo, same website.

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Re: PRR float operation at Little Creek, Va. - By toddsyr on 06/05/06 at 12:37:26 - 'CAPT_EDWARD_RICHARDSON_A.jpg' 96 KB
Don't really know what to make of this photo from:
 
LINK URL
 
Sorry I couldn't find a "happier" image, but it's all I found. At least the date is 1981, which means the craft had a longer life than most. Todd
 
"Below are the pictures taken ( from ) aboard the tug "Chicago" as the barge is still going down. Notice the air coming up beside the trucks and behind the tanker car on the right. The new 1981 Ford trucks have come from the Norfolk, Va Ford plant."


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West Coast Rail-Marine ops - By CAR FLOATER on 06/04/06 at 18:15:06 - 'hercstm.jpg' 15 KB
Here's another installment of area operations/equipment, this one is a link to the tug Hercules, which was operated by the WP.
 
LINK URL
 
The ATSF and SP also operated navies in the San Fran-Oakland area, and the MILW in the Puget Sound area.
 
CF

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Re: Rail-Marine Art - By CAR FLOATER on 06/04/06 at 18:06:19 - 'ccnews68_03_big.jpg' 43 KB
Russ -
 
Thank you for your support. I remember you suggesting I start a Rail-Marine forum a while ago, but at the time, there already was one (still is, even if it hasn't contibuted much to the "cause") My Yahoo group has done well for itself since I started it in 2001.
Anywho.........
Here's another picture of a Dave Boone print I found while surfing today...
 
CF

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Re: Witte Marine Boat Graveyard - By toddsyr on 05/31/06 at 21:12:43 - 'ELEVATED_BOAT.jpg' 16 KB
Did this boat receive special protective treatment from the tides, or is it Britain's famed Daddy Long Legs? LOL, I doubt it. Seriously, what gave this boat it's "legs" and why? Todd
 
From one of the links above, this pic was found at:
 
LINK URL

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Re: Rail-Marine Art - By CAR FLOATER on 05/31/06 at 18:08:56 - 'SC5.jpg' 50 KB
Just one more......

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Re: Rail-Marine Art - By CAR FLOATER on 05/31/06 at 18:08:32 - 'Sc4.jpg' 50 KB
And they keep on commin'.......

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Re: Rail-Marine Art - By CAR FLOATER on 05/31/06 at 18:07:57 - 'SC3.jpg' 38 KB
And yet more......

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Re: Rail-Marine Art - By CAR FLOATER on 05/31/06 at 18:07:26 - 'SC2.jpg' 33 KB
And another......

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Re: Rail-Marine Art - By CAR FLOATER on 05/31/06 at 18:06:46 - 'SC1.jpg' 39 KB
And here are some beautiful pieces of art from a friend-of-a-friend, Steve Cryan's studio -
 
LINK URL

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Re: Rail-Marine Art - By CAR FLOATER on 05/31/06 at 16:38:46 - 'DB3.jpg' 45 KB
And one more.....

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Re: Rail-Marine Art - By CAR FLOATER on 05/31/06 at 16:38:17 - 'DB2.jpg' 35 KB
And another.......

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Rail-Marine Art - By CAR FLOATER on 05/31/06 at 16:17:47 - 'DB1.jpg' 25 KB
Here's some pieces of my friend Dave Boone's art work
 
LINK URL
 
CF

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PRR Marine Dept. In The 21st Century! - By CAR FLOATER on 05/31/06 at 15:53:46 - 'PRR_CB.jpg' 54 KB
From -  
 
LINK URL
 
CF

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Re: The Finger Lakes - By hudsonelectric on 05/31/06 at 08:01:01 - 'Lake_Canandaigua.jpg' 236 KB
This is a great thread, guys! My wife and I spent a few days up on Lake Canadaigua last September and I was reading local history that mentioned steamer service on that particular lake. It makes perfect sense that steamers hooked up with the local railroads to extend freight and passenger service to the lake communities along the Finger Lakes shores. BTW, that's an absolutely beautiful part of the country!

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Re: SS Great Northern - By toddsyr on 05/31/06 at 01:49:56 - 'SS_NORTHERN_PACIFIC.jpg' 81 KB
Heres a good shot of the SS Northern Pacific from:
 
LINK URL
 
"S.S. Northern Pacific (American Passenger Liner, 1914)
 
In harbor, probably when completed in 1914.
This ship served as USS Northern Pacific in 1917-1919.
 
U.S. Naval Historical Center Photograph."
 
I converted the bitmap image to jpeg for posting. Todd


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Re: Where rail helped ships sail - By hudsonelectric on 05/28/06 at 16:59:57 - 'Panama_Canal_Tow_Loco.jpg' 103 KB
When coming back from Viet Nam, our ship returned back through the Canal, but this time at night. Sorry...didn't have a camera going through on our way to Nam during the day.     Anyway, this is one of the tow locos pulling our ship into a lock.

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Re: The RDG had a "navy" too.... - By CAR FLOATER on 05/27/06 at 11:33:49 - 'RDG_FERRY.jpg' 18 KB
Just added to my collection -
 
CF

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Re: The Finger Lakes - By toddsyr on 05/26/06 at 21:56:19 - 'STEAMER_SYRACUSE_SKANETELES_NY_1904.jpg' 117 KB
Same website.
 
"Steamer City of Syracuse at the Pines, Skaneteles NY 1904."

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Re: The Finger Lakes - By toddsyr on 05/26/06 at 21:26:11 - 'SKANEATELES_LAKE_STEAMER_GLEN_HAVEN.jpg' 117 KB
Same website.
 
"Skaneateles Lake steamer Glen Haven"
 


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Re: The Finger Lakes - By toddsyr on 05/26/06 at 19:36:29 - 'STEAMER_MOHAWK.jpg' 86 KB
Again, same website.
 
"Frontenac Beach showing steamer Mohawk".
 
This is on Cayuga Lake.

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Re: The Finger Lakes - By toddsyr on 05/26/06 at 19:32:31 - 'FRONTENAC_ITHACA_NY.jpg' 99 KB
Same site again:
 
"Frontenac at dock in Ithaca. Postcard"
 
Ithaca had the Lehigh Valley rail connection.

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Re: The Finger Lakes - By toddsyr on 05/26/06 at 19:24:32 - 'FRONTENAC_AT_FRONTENAC_ISLAND.jpg' 211 KB
From the same website:
 
"Union Springs , Frontenac Island and the steamer Frontenac. Photo by William McAlpin Yates."

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Re: The Finger Lakes - By toddsyr on 05/26/06 at 19:04:15 - 'CAYUGA_LAKE_STEAMER.jpg' 96 KB
Here's a pretty neat schedule from:
 
LINK URL

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Port Of NY - Lackawanna - By CAR FLOATER on 05/26/06 at 11:00:46 - 'allashestugboatcorningintofreightca.jpg' 37 KB
I found this while poking 'round the net this morning......
 
My thought while I was thinking about where I was gonna post this picture was to maybe do something similar like they did over on the Lackawanna Forum, where each division of the railroad has it's own thread.  
So, maybe we can follow that example with each railroad, or better yet, to save space, how about each area of Rail-Marine activity (Boston, NY, Philly, Baltimore, San Fran, ect) from around the coutry, or even world? You know, a place for pictures, links, ect.
Here's my first contribution to the Port of New York section, should anyone like to persue this idea.
 
CF

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Re: NY Harbor mail boats/NYCRR/Starin - By ccazanave on 05/24/06 at 12:47:27 - 'CortlandtatWestStreet.jpg' 463 KB
Here is a good view of the Glenn Island Hotel

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Re: NY Harbor mail boats/NYCRR/Starin - By ccazanave on 05/24/06 at 12:28:34 - 'starincardFront550.jpg' 74 KB
Here is a post card of "StarinLand" Glen Island  resort

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Re: The Starin Terminal - By ccazanave on 05/23/06 at 22:50:00 - 'CortlandSt.jpg' 50 KB
Great photo of barges at the Starin

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Re: The Starin Terminal - By ccazanave on 05/22/06 at 22:33:38 - 'WestStreetWaterfrontStereoCard.jpg' 459 KB
Here is a stereo car from approx 1910, West Street is not widened yet around the Old CNJ Terminal. You can see the long pier of the Starin.

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The Starin Terminal - By ccazanave on 05/22/06 at 22:11:08 - 'Starin.jpg' 20 KB
I was always curious about the freight terminal near the CNJ and West Short Ferries along Manhattans West Street. There were always barges filled with box cars. Was this how fruit was transported to the famous Washington Market near this Terminal?

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Re: Chief Wawatam: one majestic carferry - By TAB on 05/22/06 at 20:30:58 - 'Chief_Wawatam_13.jpg' 46 KB
From the Clocker via TAB

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Re: Chief Wawatam: one majestic carferry - By TAB on 05/22/06 at 10:05:14 - 'Chief_Wawatam.jpg' 68 KB
From the Clocker via TAB

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Re: Chief Wawatam: one majestic carferry - By TAB on 05/22/06 at 08:51:52 - 'Chief_Wawatam_11.jpg' 29 KB
From the Clocker via TAB

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Re: Chief Wawatam: one majestic carferry - By TAB on 05/22/06 at 08:47:40 - 'Chief_Wawatam_10.jpg' 19 KB
From the Clocker via TAB

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Re: Chief Wawatam: one majestic carferry - By TAB on 05/22/06 at 08:45:43 - 'Chief_Wawatam_09.jpg' 37 KB
From the Clocker via TAB

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Re: Chief Wawatam: one majestic carferry - By TAB on 05/22/06 at 08:40:17 - 'Chief_Wawatam_08.jpg' 28 KB
From the Clocker via TAB

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Re: Chief Wawatam: one majestic carferry - By TAB on 05/22/06 at 08:37:18 - 'Chief_Wawatam_07.jpg' 39 KB
From the Clocker via TAB

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Re: NY harbor rail freight - By CAR FLOATER on 05/19/06 at 11:28:28 - 'ERIE_WEEHAWKEN_1956.jpg' 240 KB
Well, if you liked that, you LOVE this!
 
CF

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Re: NY harbor rail freight - By CAR FLOATER on 05/19/06 at 10:31:38 - 'brooklyn_br_and_carfloat.jpg' 437 KB
I wasn't sure where to put this, and since I didn't think I needed to start a new thread just for a picture or two, here's one for ya -  
 
CF
 


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Re: Lake Ontario - By toddsyr on 05/17/06 at 21:16:29 - 'Coal_To_Canada.jpg' 13 KB
For those who like buying books, from:
 
LINK URL
 
"Coal to Canada: A History of the Ontario Car Ferry Company
 
 
Author: Ted Rafuse,  
Publication No.: v026 ISBN: 0-9685474-0-0 Publication Date: 2000
THIS IS NOT A WORLD SHIP SOCIETY PUBLICATION AND IS NOT AVAILABLE FROM THE SOCIETY. Copies can be obtained by sending cheque or money order for CDN$30.95 or US$27.95 (includes shipping costs) to Steampower Publishing, 54 Walton Street, PORT HOPE, ON L1A
 
 
Author Ted Rafuse has artfully captured the history of the rail car ferries ONTARIO No. 1 and ONTARIO No. 2 which operted out of Cobourg during the first half of the 20th century. The story of this marine operation -- which ferried both coal and passengers -- is brought to life through the recollections of crew and passengers, dozens of photographs and company records. The Buffalo Rochester & Pittsburgh Railway in the United States and the Grand Trunk Railway in Canada together created a marine operation to serve as a link between their two rail lines. "Coal to Canada" traces the story of carrying coal from western Pennsylvania mines to destinations trhoughout central Ontario. Author is not a WSS member, but this book is listed as an item of interest. Two colour cover, 96 pages. 105 b&w captioned photos, several diagrams, and 3 maps. 8˝ inches x 11 inches. Softcover"


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Re: Rail marine "MOW" vessels - By toddsyr on 05/17/06 at 19:35:03 - 'Gatun_Lake_Loco_Rescue.jpg' 24 KB
Check this out from:  
 
LINK URL
 
"PANAMA CITY (Reuters) - Salvage workers raised a French locomotive from the depths of the Panama Canal on Monday, more than a century after the French bid to forge a path between the seas foundered amid national scandal and financial ruin.
       Workers from the Panama Canal Authority's (PCA) Industrial and Dredging Divisions used a heavy-duty Goliath crane to haul the mud-caked steam engine from 45 feet (14 meters) of water in Gatun Lake......"
 
"The floating crane "Goliath" lifts the old French locomotive for a breath of fresh air after 90 years underwater.  Photo taken by La Prensa -
16 May 2000"  
 
I know, kind of off topic, but found it trying to find RR owned marine MOW equipment. Thought everyone might like it anyhow. Todd
 


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Re: More Vintage Postcard Views 'On the Waterfront - By hudsonelectric on 05/16/06 at 21:27:39 - 'Binghamton002.jpg' 360 KB
Finally, we're back home again ready to board the DL&W's boat, 'Binghamton' in Hoboken. Remember this scene?

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Re: More Vintage Postcard Views 'On the Waterfront - By hudsonelectric on 05/16/06 at 21:24:53 - 'Mastodon001.jpg' 445 KB
Let's go down South now to the area around Avondale upriver from New Orleans on the Mississippi. The Southern Pacific, operators of the huge ferries 'Conta Costa' and 'Salono' in California, also operated an enormous barge named the 'Mastodon'. It carried entire SP trains across the Mississippi to connect with New Orleans. The ferry operations stopped in 1935 with the opening of the Huey P. Long Bridge that carried both vehicular and rail traffic.

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Re: More Vintage Postcard Views 'On the Waterfront - By hudsonelectric on 05/16/06 at 21:14:27 - 'Ferry_Fire001.jpg' 451 KB
This card image was copyrighted 1904, but the card is circa 1910 or so. Here we see the fireboat 'New Yorker' bravely battling a ferry blaze. The ferry isn't marked as to the line that operated it (of course)!

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Re: More Vintage Postcard Views 'On the Waterfront - By hudsonelectric on 05/16/06 at 21:10:47 - 'PRR_Ferries_1906001.jpg' 457 KB
Prior to the PRR building tunnels under the Hudson into Manhattan and the construction of the Pennsylvania Station, the PRR operated a ferry fleet from thier Jersey City terminal. This card is postmarked 1906.

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More Vintage Postcard Views 'On the Waterfront' - By hudsonelectric on 05/16/06 at 21:07:38 - 'Weehawken_Ferry003.jpg' 432 KB
Here's a selection of ferry cards from my collection. Some may be repeats of postings on the Postcard board, others may be new. First, let's take a look at the deck on a NY Central boat headed for Weehawken, NJ. Note the one lady on the left getting her shoes shined.

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Re: Rail/marine ruins: going, going, gone.... - By CAR FLOATER on 05/16/06 at 12:15:04 - '94e0.jpg' 28 KB
Witte's Marine graveyard, Staten Island, last spring. Ex-PRR NYP&N tugboat.
 
CF
 


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The Largest Railroad Ferry in the World! - By hudsonelectric on 05/16/06 at 03:35:27 - 'Solano.jpg' 49 KB
And it was, too, until it's sister ship, Contra Costa, was built in 1914. The Solano was built in 1878 in Oakland and put into service in 1879 by the Central Pacific (later the Southern Pacific) to carry freight and passenger equipment across the Carquinez Strait. This crossing allowed trains direct access to Oakland from the north. Solano was 424 feet long, 116 feet wide, and could carry either an entire passenger train or a 48-car freight train including locomotive. Both the Solano and Contra Costa operated until 1930 when they were scrapped after the SP built a bridge across the span.

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Re: What's Your Favorite Floating RR Equipment? - By toddsyr on 05/15/06 at 21:35:19 - 'AMERICAN_SUGAR_REFINING.jpg' 136 KB
From:        
 
LINK URL
 
"The Sugar House, a Jersey City waterfront warehouse, was designed by architect Detlef Leinau in 1863. It eventually became part of the American Sugar Refining Company and stood on the corner of Essex and Washington Streets on the south side of the Morris Canal.
 
The local architect Detlef Lienau (1818-1887), born in Denmark, was a founder of the American Institute of Architects and had an office at 111 Broadway in New York City. He was known for the building of homes on Fifth Avenue and for his wealthy clients like August Belmont and the Astors. Lienau built his first house in Jersey City for his brother Michael in 1849. He also built the Grace Church Van Vorst in 1850-53, the Mechanics and Traders Bank building in 1859, and the original First National Bank building at One Exchange Place in 1864.
 
F.O. Matthiessen & Wiechers, a stock investment company began the sugar refining business in Jersey. Another refinery plant on the north side of the Morris Canal was built in 1868 to refine Cuban molasses. That operation was discontinued with the introduction of centrifugal machines for the efficient refining of sugar. By 1890 the American Sugar Refining Company took over the refinery plants and was producing a variety of over 5,000 barrels of 360 pounds each of refined sugar a day from raw sugar imported worldwide.
 
By 1907, the Refining Company employed over fifteen hundred workers and occupied four city blocks with an expanse of over nine hundred feet of waterfront to receive transport ships. During this time of industrial expansion, the company was noted both for the quality of its product and for its progressive views on the redesign of production equipment in its own machine shops to remain a leader in its industry....."
 
 Photo: A. Selvaggio, 2002

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Re: NY harbor rail freight - By toddsyr on 05/15/06 at 21:18:54 - 'LV_BARGE_79.jpg' 49 KB
John wrote "As I've stated before in other posts, only the ex-DL&W ferryboat BINGHAMTON (1905), now a famous restuarant in Edgewater, NJ, is the ONLY railroad-owned ferryboat still in existence today."
 
How about the only restored wooden RR barge?  
 
"The Lehigh Valley Railroad Barge #79 was built in 1914, and is listed on the National Register of Historic Places. It is the only floating wooden covered barge of its kind restored and ready to receive visitors. It functions as the home of the Hudson Waterfront Museum, a floating classroom, a showboat, and an art exhibition space."
 You can visit this unique item this fall. Just go to   LINK URL  for more details. Thank them for the image too! Todd

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Lu-cee! You've Got Some 'splaining To Do! - By toddsyr on 05/15/06 at 17:35:47 - 'NY_HARBOR_1960.jpg' 45 KB
Seriously, I came across this nifty image while looking for others. Anyone care to elaborate? It was too cool to omit in my opinion. When I went to save the image, I got the following info from the file name: " NY HARBOR 1960". Todd
 
Photo from:
 
LINK URL

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Re: NY harbor rail freight - By toddsyr on 05/15/06 at 17:20:04 - 'BUSY_NY_HARBOR.jpg' 38 KB
This should give one an idea on just how busy NY Harbor could be.  
 
Postcard image from:
 
LINK URL

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Re: PRR Passenger Liner - Juniata - By Henry on 05/15/06 at 15:20:44 - 'PRR-AnchorLine.gif' 2 KB
One last post for now. This is my rendering of the Anchor Line Logo as an avatar, but I am sure it is not accurate!
 
Henry


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Re: PRR Passenger Liner - Juniata - By Henry on 05/15/06 at 13:42:22 - 'Anchor_Line-PRR_Octorara.jpg' 74 KB
on May 14th, 2006, 1:19pm, toddsyr wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Lord knows you've bent over backwards for avatars for me Henry. I'm trying to find more info and better images for you at this time. So far, I've only come up with this:
 
 LINK URL
 
A little more data in the caption for you anyhow. Todd

 
What a great find!
 
I downloaded the photo and took some liberties with it. Here's my cleaned up version of the Octorara.
 
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What's Your Favorite Floating RR Equipment? - By toddsyr on 05/15/06 at 01:09:48 - 'The_Tug_Syracuse_Sept_1973.jpg' 67 KB
Mine is shown below. I'm from Syracuse, so it's obvious why I made the choice. Before I joined the forums I knew NOTHING about rail/marine operations, other than that they existed. Thanks to John and some others, I now know a little anyways. I'll probably read alot more in the RR Marine Operations board than I post, but I figured I'd do my part and give the board a boost. I owe it to these guys for giving me an education in the field! Todd
 
Photo from:
 
LINK URL

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Re: Railroad marine yards - By toddsyr on 05/15/06 at 00:59:48 - 'The_Tugs_Hornell_Elmira_At_the_Hoboken_NJ_Yard.jpg' 62 KB
Here's a couple of tugs at the Hoboken Yard. From:
 
LINK URL
 
I don't know if they're in for service or just tied up awaiting assignments, but they look neat! Todd

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Re: PRR Passenger Liner - Juniata - By toddsyr on 05/14/06 at 21:14:59 - 'Tionesta.jpg' 67 KB
And the Tionesta, from:
 
LINK URL
 
"Steamship Tionesta published by G.N.W. #R83635 unused, clean no marks, very good condition, ... The Tionesta was built in Cleveland, Ohio, in 1903 by the American Ship Building Co. for the Anchor Line, a subsidiary of the Pennsylvania Railroad. The 346-foot-long propeller-driven steamship carried 350 passengers and 3,500 tons of cargo at a top speed of 18 knots. The Tionesta made regular runs between Duluth and its home port of Buffalo, New York (as did its two sister ships, the Juniata and the Octorara). It was scrapped by Steel Co. of Canada, Ltd., at Hamilton, Ontario, in 1940.  
 
Price: $7.90 U.S."
 


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Re: PRR Passenger Liner - Juniata - By toddsyr on 05/14/06 at 21:11:36 - 'Naugatuck.jpg' 11 KB
Sorry guys, not ignoring you folks. I was just on a mission for Henry. He does so much for so many, when he makes a request, I give it my all. Anyways, here's a decent pic of the Naugatuck from:
 
LINK URL
 
"Steamer Naugatuck (189. "STEAMER 'NAUGATUCK.' NEW YORK AND BRIDGEPORT LINE, BRIDGEPORT, CONN." white-border era from Morris Berman, unused. $6.00 s(n)c"
 
 


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Re: PRR Passenger Liner - Juniata - By toddsyr on 05/14/06 at 17:43:45 - 'ANCHOR_LINE_FLAG.gif' 4 KB
Sorry Henry. I can't seem to find a good logo for you. I did find a shot of one of their flags however, At least this will give you proper colorization (of the flag). The site at  LINK URL  says there were variants however. Image and data below from same site. Todd
 
"Anchor Line (1865-1916)  
A Great Lakes company, not to be confused with the British-flag trans-Atlantic line of the same name. Owned by Erie and Western Transportation Company, a subsidiary of the Pennsylvania Railroad. Variants exist, two shown in the 1909 supplement to Flaggenbuch (1905), but all were white with a red anchor, most of them arranged diagonally.
Source: LINK URL (no longer available)
 
Joe McMillan, 26 August 2001"
 


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Re: PRR Passenger Liner - Juniata - By Henry on 05/14/06 at 12:45:59 - 'PRR_Anchor_Line-Juniata.jpg' 19 KB
Here's a closeup of the insignia. I wish I had a good photo of the anchor keystone, I'd like to make an avatar out of it!
 
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PRR Passenger Liner - Juniata - By Henry on 05/14/06 at 12:42:41 - 'Anchor_Line-PRR_Juniata-Duluth_Superior1925.jpg' 133 KB
Will Enser scanned this postcard from his collection and emailed it to me. I wasn't aware the Pennsy has poassenger liners like this!
 
Was "Anchor Line" a PRR subsidary? Does anyone know what routes they sailed?
 
Henry



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