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Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Aug 22nd, 2011, 11:06pm
You just have to love irony. The day I finally strip the old boiler off my 0-6-0 is the very same day my boiler builders shop gets slammed with work. There doesn't seem to be any signs of it letting up soon (which is really a good thing!). So I figured that if I want a new boiler before the unmeet, I better do something to help. (actually I blame the ten wheeler crew for inspiring me to get motivated). Today I started drilling holes for the tubes.
 
After making a dimple at each location, I drilled to 1/4"
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Aug 22nd, 2011, 11:08pm
You will note that the fire box tube sheet and the smoke box tube sheet are tack welded together to ensure perfect alignment. The second pass was made with a 1/2" drill. The third pass was with a 39/64" drill.  
 
This photo shows the 1/2" holes and I am about to start the 39/64"
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Aug 22nd, 2011, 11:16pm
Last photo for now. All the holes have been drilled to 39/64". All that remains is to ream the holes to 5/8" for the tubes.
 
The two plates sort of blend together so that it looks like the top row of holes are right up to the edge. This is just an illusion. You can see the radiused corner just to the upper right of the upper right hole.
Posted by: Pennsy4483 Posted on: Aug 23rd, 2011, 8:40am
Bobby,
 
Great to see some progress.  Our little un-meet really got us back into the swing of things as well.  We have had workdays for 3 weeks in a row and I believe there will be more to come.  Rumor has it that the tubing you gave me is now acutally underneath a gon.  Wow - work actually getting done.  Keep us updated on your progress..  Git-r-done!
 
Don
Posted by: pockets Posted on: Aug 23rd, 2011, 4:41pm
Outstanding, Bobby. It's great to see you making chips.
 
Greg B.
Posted by: SteamHeaton Posted on: Aug 23rd, 2011, 8:15pm
Fantastic!!!!!! I will enjoy watching your boiler project.   Please keep the  pics coming. Ray III
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Aug 23rd, 2011, 8:49pm
This IS exciting. I was wondering when you were going to start working on that engine of yours. Can't wait to see more pictures. Now I will have to get started on my little project of replumbing. Congratulations.
 
Russell
Posted by: Dan Watson Posted on: Aug 23rd, 2011, 10:48pm
Hmmm, that mill looks familiar...
Good to see your progress!  I guess you already know about this, but save the final reaming until after the welding is done, as welding will distort the holes, especially on the edges of the tube sheets.
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:36pm
Dan that sounds like sound advise. Especially since the reamer is too long for the current set-up.
Posted by: bteerlin Posted on: Aug 24th, 2011, 6:31am
Bobby -- I must ditto all that has been said.  Glad our little group get together here has gotten you back at it the way it did us.  Looking forward to more pics.
 
Bruce the Larger
Posted by: Henry Posted on: Aug 24th, 2011, 10:16am
Great news Bobby, I love this stuff! Take LOTS of pictures!
 
So when's the hydrostatic test scheduled?  
 
Henry
Posted by: dgmarklin Posted on: Aug 24th, 2011, 11:40pm
Looking really good BobbyT!  I can't wait to see this thing out rolling on the mainline.  Take and POST lots of pictures, I love watching things come together.
 
 
Dean
 
PS - I really wanted to insert about 50 B&M jokes but to your relief, didn't.
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Aug 25th, 2011, 10:18pm
Only one update. I had to tear down and re-do the set-up differently to do the reaming. I set the reamer in one of the holes and it hit the mill table before it even touched the sides of the hole! Any way, I got the holes reamed to the final 5/8 ID. Now the plates will be separated and the smoke box tube sheet will be sandwiched with the backhead sheet so the holes for the dry pipes can be drilled. This is fun!
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Aug 26th, 2011, 6:58am

 
   SUPER,,SUPER,,,,,SUPER. man, I can't wait for the day to get here when we put her back together. Then of course, the day you light the first fire. WOW. really happy to see these pics.
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Aug 26th, 2011, 7:41pm
Bruce tell the truth, you just want another coal burner at the BCRR!
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Aug 27th, 2011, 9:50pm

 
 
    Why,,,,, of course !!!!!!
Posted by: SteamHeaton Posted on: Aug 28th, 2011, 11:38pm
I 2nd that !!!!!!     Ray III
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Aug 29th, 2011, 2:33pm
Is it goin to be a coal burner? IS IT, IS IT?
Posted by: dgmarklin Posted on: Aug 29th, 2011, 11:49pm
I'll 3rd the opinion.
Posted by: bteerlin Posted on: Aug 30th, 2011, 8:56pm
Bobby - I'll bring you some coal at the next Un-Meet.
 
Bruce the Larger
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Aug 31st, 2011, 2:09pm
Bobby, I can smell the coal smoke already. Before you know it, you'll have smutt on your face before you know it.  
 
Russell
Posted by: SteamHeaton Posted on: Aug 31st, 2011, 2:37pm
This I've gotta see!!!!! LOL
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Aug 31st, 2011, 7:47pm
Here is the B&M switcher I am building (or should I say rebuilding). With the exception of the valve gear(I am not even thinking of changing over to Baker gear), i think it will look pretty good.
Posted by: popawell Posted on: Aug 31st, 2011, 9:45pm
I assume from the photo the reamer you used is tapered, If so don't both plates need tapers facing inwards?  
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Aug 31st, 2011, 10:38pm
Hello popawell.  
 
The tapered reamer is tapered up to the last inch. then it is straight. The holes were reamed to a precise 5/8 diameter the entire depth of the hole.
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Aug 31st, 2011, 10:58pm
on Aug 31st, 2011, 9:45pm, popawell wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I assume from the photo the reamer you used is tapered, If so don't both plates need tapers facing inwards?  

 
   The bores in flue sheets, front and back, have to be exactly straight and smooth. Since the tubes are rolled in (expanded) to seal them. Look at Bobby's pic. the straight smoothness of the bores can very clearly be seen.
 
     
Posted by: charleytt Posted on: Sep 1st, 2011, 10:53am
glad to see you got your boiler started lets get r done
Posted by: Slipped_Eccentric Posted on: Sep 3rd, 2011, 10:38am
Excellent, Bobby!  Can't wait to see it go together.
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Nov 25th, 2011, 10:05pm
Time to bump this thread. I brought the boiler home from the shop so I could drill the stay-bolt holes over the holiday weekend. Here is a few shots I took.
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Nov 25th, 2011, 10:07pm
One side done!
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Nov 25th, 2011, 10:09pm
We left the backhead off for now so we can clean out the metal shavings.
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Nov 25th, 2011, 10:12pm
Last pic for today. All set up to start drilling holes tomorrow.
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Nov 26th, 2011, 6:48am

 
   WOW, you made a lot of progress since I saw you guys a week and a half ago at the shop. Looking good !!
Posted by: pockets Posted on: Nov 26th, 2011, 10:00am
Awsome, Bobby.
 
Greg B.
Posted by: Pennsy4483 Posted on: Nov 26th, 2011, 10:03am
Bobby,
 
Looking great!  Can't wait to see more progress on your rebuild and more importantly, maybe a little coal smoke in say,,,,,,,,,late February?  Keep up the great work.  Oh yeah, hope you and everybody else down south had a Happy Thanksgiving!
 
Don
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Nov 28th, 2011, 10:05pm
LOL, unfortunately guys that was as far as I got since I was in a turkey coma for the rest of the weekend.
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Jan 13th, 2012, 6:28pm
Well, I have officially lost my mind (wife's words) and I have set the schedule for the locomotives return to the tracks back indefinitely.......
 
Since I started this rebuild I had one thought in mind, and that was to not only make it a good steaming and reliable engine. But to follow as closely as possible a favorite prototype. The Boston & Maine G11 0-6-0's however had small frame Baker valve gear and my engine has walsherts........ until now.
 
I recently scored a nice set of Baker valve gear castings.  
 
You guys won't recognize this engine when I'm done. Let the fun begin!
Posted by: Pennsy4483 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2012, 3:32pm
Congrats Bobby.  Not out of your mind, just a little out of steam right now.  Anyways, looking forward to an expanded thread on not only a boiler rebuild, but now a complete makeover.  Nothing more than locos like than a good ole' spa treatment to make them looking and feeling brand new again.  Best of luck.
 
Don
Posted by: SteamHeaton Posted on: Jan 14th, 2012, 10:58pm
Looking forward to  the progress reports on the rebirth of the B&M 0-6-0.  Ray III
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 17th, 2012, 12:30pm
Bobby,
   Glad to see you back at her again. Can't wait to see more pictures.
Russ
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Jan 17th, 2012, 10:12pm
The first problem I need to over come is logistics. The boiler is still at work, the chassis is at Bob's house, the tender is at the BCRR and many of the doo dads and thing-a-ma-jiggy's are at my house. Tough to make shop time this way.
 
Right now i am trying to decide how much get's undone before i can start the conversion. As soon as I start making chips i'll post some progress pic's.  
 
The new to do list:
 
finish and install boiler...duh
install new ash pan
new cab & cab floor
new water plumbing
add smoke box bracing per prototype.
wire headlight
convert valve gear to Baker
move main driver from middle axle to rear axle per prototype.
revamp tender for coal burning duties.
make and install new jewelry and gingerbread per prototype.
 
wish list:
add an injector
add a Worthington pump, dummy would look cool, but working would be awesome.
 
My little engine shares parking space with some beautifully detailed locomotives. I want her to look and act like she belongs in the same company.
 
 
 
Posted by: pockets Posted on: Jan 19th, 2012, 10:58am
Bobby,
To misquote a mutual friend, "Don't hang the jewelry on her until she's sorted out." I can't wait to see this engine.
 
Greg B.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 23rd, 2012, 1:30pm
Bobby,
  Do my eyes and ears deceave me or did I read "ASH PAN" and "REVAMP THE TENDER TO HOLD COAL"? She is going to be a coal burner.HAHAHA. YES! You will be looking like a coal miner in no time flat.
Russ
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Jan 23rd, 2012, 6:11pm
Poor Russell, a little late to the party. LOL Where have you been?
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 25th, 2012, 3:26pm
dealing with poopy diapers and fussy babies at 02.00.
Posted by: dgmarklin Posted on: Jan 29th, 2012, 9:29am
Coal?  And here I thought wood was the way of the future!  Looking forward to seeing the boiler work get done!
 
Dean
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Mar 3rd, 2012, 9:27pm
****UPDATE*****
 
After a lot of measuring and figuring, I have come to the conclusion that the amount of work and time involved with changing over the valve gear is not practical. It was hoped that only the main and eccentric rods would need to be remade. But in reality I would have had to make new yokes and guides as well as the originals are not long enough to put the Baker frame in the proper spot. So.... I am keeping the Walshaerts (sp) in tact.
 
I am still building a new cab and cab floor as well as re-plumb everything.
 
Today Roscoe and I set the new boiler onto the chassis to check fit. IT IS PERFECT!  
 
Bob started to weld the spacer bands around the shell. Next week we locate the domes. The plan is to weld a couple 5/8 nuts on the boiler shell. One under each sand dome. then we can screw in an eyelet and use the overhead hoist to lift the boiler on and off.
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Mar 3rd, 2012, 9:46pm

 
   WOW, its really good to see this progress. I still have plenty of coal !!!!! When can we expect to see smoke ??
Posted by: pockets Posted on: Mar 3rd, 2012, 10:16pm
Rock on, Bobby! The Baker would have been nice, but I understand your reasoning. Maybe on the next go 'round.
 
Greg B.
Posted by: SteamHeaton Posted on: Mar 3rd, 2012, 11:27pm
That looks great Bobby,  you are going to love  this eng on coal!!!  , and so are we !!!!    congrats on the progress.   Ray III
Posted by: charleytt Posted on: Mar 7th, 2012, 1:56pm
nice job u think ull have her running soon
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Apr 11th, 2012, 5:42pm
A quick update. sorry no pictures though. I keep forgetting the camera. I made a new cab floor and floor mounts. Now the arduous task of plumbing. I made a new steam manifold and I am rearranging where some appliances go so i am not reusing the old plumbing. A brandy new Bob Dean water glass is being installed as well as a "British" style injector that someone had given me. That will give me 4 ways to add water. Axle Pump, Injector, Electric Pump and the ever faithful last resort Hand Pump.  
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Jul 17th, 2012, 9:33pm
Update: Insulation is on, next step is the jacket.
 
The gentleman standing next to me is Roscoe. He is currently building a one of a kind 4 cylinder Heisler and a full string of log disconnects.
Posted by: Pennsy4483 Posted on: Jul 19th, 2012, 9:17am
Bobby - looking good!  
 
I was checking the photo just to be sure a lead and trailing truck weren't added (in case you confused a couple of your projects).  Keep up the great work as well as the updates with photos.  Remember only 6 months away for the 2013 Unmeet!!!!
 
Happy Steaming,
 
Don
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jul 25th, 2012, 11:38am

 
   Friends,
 
   In the middle of getting back into the swing of things at the BCRR, and unloading the new "steamheaton" made ash box, Pete and I made a little side trip over to Bob Deans shop.  
 
   Bobby T. was there working on plumbing his 0-6-0. Which looks real nice with the boiler sitting on the frame in it's final position. Even I can't wait to see this engine under steam with a coal fire in it's firebox.
 
   Bobby, I have plenty of coal !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Aug 12th, 2012, 12:24pm
Update photo....
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Aug 12th, 2012, 12:28pm
This is 2 weeks old. As of yesterday, the cab sides are on and 75% of the cab plumbing is done. Getting closer. I'd be lost with out Bob's assistance.
Posted by: Henry Posted on: Aug 12th, 2012, 12:49pm
Nice Bobby, bet she runs like a dream when you are done.
 
Henry
Posted by: SteamHeaton Posted on: Aug 12th, 2012, 2:59pm
Looking great Bobby.  I can't wait to see it hot and you taking her around the BCRR.  It's so nice to have friends in the hobby that can help. Ray III
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Aug 19th, 2012, 12:37pm
Whoo hoo, cab plumbing is done! The water supply lines and tender are all that's left.... Then steam up baby!
Posted by: Slipped_Eccentric Posted on: Aug 19th, 2012, 4:39pm
Awesome, Bobby!
Posted by: Pennsy4483 Posted on: Aug 20th, 2012, 10:45am
Can't wait for the post with photos showing her under steam.  Best of luck!
 
Happy Steaming!
 
Don
Posted by: Pennsy4483 Posted on: Aug 30th, 2012, 10:21pm
Hey Bobby,
 
Any updates?  I know that you guys had a close call with Isaac but was hoping to hear about any progress that you may have made.  Best of luck with getting her outshopped and polishing the rails.  
 
Don
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Aug 30th, 2012, 10:43pm
Hey Don, No updates this week. Last Saturday was spent searching the local scrap yard for a donor door for SWMBO's car. Her window mechanism decided to eat itself. Then I spent the rest of the day swapping the parts around.  
 
I am close to steam-up though. I will post photo's.
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Sep 16th, 2012, 9:10pm
I have had a bit of a set back. I brought the tender over to Bob's to mate up the water lines etc and to configure it for coal. I started by looking into the idea of reworking the waterlegs to make room for coal storage.  
 
The first problem I uncovered was the original builder use copper drive rivets after the tender was assembled. Which meant the panels had to be pried off to gain access to the tank area and the hand pump.  
 
The hand pump was totally encased in scale. Someone in their infinite wisdom thought that it would be wise to use steel bolts and not stainless bolts on the pumps end caps. The bolts are so corroded I am not sure the pump is salvageable.  
 
I removed the body from the frame and discovered other issues that needed attention.  
 
Oh the joys of buying someone else .... er ....... craftsmanship.
 
Looks like a new tender body is the way to go. My schedule has been shot to hell.
 
Hey Ray, maybe I could borrow your tendola? LOL
Posted by: SteamHeaton Posted on: Sep 16th, 2012, 11:31pm
Bobby it is your's for however long you need it.  If you really want to have it down there just in case.  Let me know before wednesday, I will bring it with me to Canton, and Bruce can haul it down to you.   Ray III
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Sep 17th, 2012, 7:27am

 
  Bobby,
 
   Thats a lousy turn of events! Peter gave me a call yesterday and gave me the bad news about your tender. Thats crap!! If I can help, holler.
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Sep 17th, 2012, 7:32am

   Bobby,
 
   I just had another whacky thought!! I know,,, many posters here think I have whacky thoughts anyway!!!! But, I have that extra Tom Bee flat with the extra water tank on it tied to the spray car. It already has a shut off valve plumbed in on the out let. Use that if you want to. Just a little inovative plumbing and it could connect to your engine. Its yours if you need it.
 
   Bruce
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Sep 17th, 2012, 10:13pm
Ray, as it turns out I may not need the tendola after all. Bob seems to think we can make a new tender in fairly short order. I am going with a simple square tender instead of a sloped one.  
 
Bruce, I will keep your flat car/tank car idea in mind. Thanks to you both.
 
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Oct 16th, 2012, 12:08am
My new backhead. Only thing left to do here is add the injector steam line.
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Oct 16th, 2012, 12:11am
just lacking some paint, handrails and a few gingerbread details.
Posted by: SteamHeaton Posted on: Oct 16th, 2012, 2:32am
Bobby the backhead looks great.  I can't wait to see  her fired up. Don't forget to buy a large container of pumice GOJO.  Remember Lyndsey's face after her first trip on the mike.  LOL I cant wait to see your face like that with a big smile .   Ray Heaton III
Posted by: Pennsy4483 Posted on: Oct 16th, 2012, 1:46pm
Bobby,
 
Glad to see the photos of your progress.  More importantly, can't wait to see your pearly whites peek out of a sooty covered face.  Keep up the great work!
 
Don
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Oct 16th, 2012, 2:08pm
nice job Bobby, sure miss seeing you at the track. Ray and Don, you guys are funny. LOL
Russ
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Nov 23rd, 2012, 8:42pm
Work has been progressing on the tender rebuild. The stainless inner tank is almost finished, the finishing touches to the outer shell and she'll be ready for testing..... I think
Posted by: Pennsy4483 Posted on: Nov 26th, 2012, 9:05am
Bobby,
 
Thanks for the photo.  Your tender is looking good.  Can't wait to hear the results after outshopping.  Best of luck on your progress.  Keep the updates coming!
 
Don
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 10th, 2013, 12:37pm

 
   Guys,
 
   A little birdy (Bobby t) told me, just yesterday, that a certain 0-6-0 might be steaming up this next week end. Good for you Bobby. A lot of work has taken place to get to this point. It sure does'nt happen by talkin about it!
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 3:40pm
Well Saturday I went up to the BCRR around 2.30 to only find Bruce there talking with I gentleman from the Ill. Live Steamers and had expected to work on the Ole Atlantic. Then Bruce got a call from Pete, saying that Bobby was firing up his 0-6-0 for the first time, so Bruce and I headed over to Unka Bob's to watch. Sure enough, Bobby had a "COAL" fire going in his 0-6-0 and by the time we arrived, the guage was off the peg. Way to go Bobby! Pictures and video to follow.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 4:01pm
Here is a picture of the backhead
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 4:05pm
Here is a shot with Pete and Bruce looking on as Bob Dean and Bobby Timson stoke the fire. They were trying the injector. It was trying to pick up but it was giving them trouble as it was sucking air through the water line.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 4:09pm
As she built up pressure we started to notice little leaks at fittings which is easy to fix by tightening the fittings. She held pressure and the safeties both lifted. Here you can see a picture with her one safety popping off.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 4:11pm
As Bobby was testing the hand pump, we noticed that there was water spraying out of the top of the axel pump. I will explain and show pictures later. Don't loose hope Bobby.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 4:14pm
And the moment of excitement as Bobby backed her down toward the yard.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 4:15pm
Pete and Bobby looking at the water glass and fire.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 4:21pm
Here is a video of Bobby coming off of the turn table. At this point Bobby was having trouble with the delivery of water into the boiler so he only backed it down so far and then back up onto the steaming bay. Toward the end of the video, you can see that he has blow by coming out of the stack. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qshc646P4rM
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 4:25pm
In this video, Bobby heads back to the steaming bay and you can really see the blow by. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4627hBptJL4
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 4:35pm
At this point, Pete and Ron 2 had to leave to head back to the BCRR, but Bruce and I stayed behind to take a look at why Bobby was having such significant blow by and hardly any power. So we wheeled her into Bob's shop. Once inside, Bruce said let's have a look at the valves and pistons and insisted on taking the head covers off. If I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I would have never believed anyone. We got the first cover off and I got closer and noticed that the gasket appeared to have writing on it. Upon further inspection, I said, "That's a dollar bill!" everyone thought I was joking and Bruce then took a look and said it sure is. So Bobby has dubbed his 0-6-0 "Old Dollar Bill" We said lets look at the other side and sure enough, there was another dollar bill in the side as well for a gasket. So now this is the running joke with this engine.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 4:36pm
Here is the right side.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 4:51pm
Sorry, I didn't take any pictures of the valve. Bruce and Bob pulled the valve out and we found out that Bobby's engine has spool valves. When bruce got the valve out he noticed that the rings were all collapsed and seized up. So he took some Blaster and was able to free them up and get them to expand but brought up a very good point, that as long as we have them out, we should go ahead and replace them with new ones, so later he was on the phone with Mike V. from L.E. ordering some new ones as well as piston rings as I will get to here shortly.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 5:03pm
Now comes the pistons. Bruce, Unka Bob, Bobby and I decided that, What the hell, we're into it this far, let's pull the pistons. Bob couldn't turn the rod and looking close noticed that someone had driven a TEENY TINY ITSY BITSY roll pin through the cross head and into the rod on the piston. So more fun began as Bob had to fabricate and modify a center punch to knock it out. After finally getting it out, Bruce and Bob got the piston to slide out and as it emerged I said "HOLY CRAP!! there are no rings on that piston!" Bruce said the same thing and said that explains alot about the blow by that was happening. Here is a picture of the right side.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 5:11pm
Another picture of Bruce and Bob
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 5:24pm
Here is a picture of the piston with no rings. We all sat scratching our heads saying,"WHO WOULD BUILD AN ENGINE AND FORGET TO PUT RINGS ON THE PISTON?!" I said, "The same one that used dollar bills for gaskets!"  
However, Pete did say that they might have used synthetic ones and they just disintegrated and were blown out by the exhaust.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 5:26pm
Here is a picture of the steam chest on the right side.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 5:46pm
Now, as I said earlier in my posts, the axle pump. Bobby decided to pull the axle pump off and see what was leaking on it. As I said earlier, there was water spraying out of the top of it every time it pumped. Upon pulling it, I put it in a bucket of water and had Bob D. pump it as I held it and plugged the ports and we found 3 pin holes on the top of the pump so Bob it going to fix that. WOW!! what a day! and poor Bruce was so exhausted having entertained our guest from Ill and then not expecting to pull an engine apart. I think Bruce and I spent at least 3 to 3 1/2 hrs at Unka Bob's. I hope you got some rest Bruce. Bobby should have rings by the end of the week and hopefully get the engine back in service. Once again, Don't loose hope Bobby.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 5:48pm
Well I am POOPED after typing all of that. Please feel free to correct me guys if I misquoted someone or misspoke.  
Russ
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 7:44pm
Russell thanks for posting that update. I decided today the best thing I could do to lighten my mood was to go shoot people with paintballs! I feel better.
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 8:11pm
Hahaha that's funny.
Posted by: Pennsy4483 Posted on: Jan 13th, 2013, 8:36pm
Bobby - hang in there!  Sounds like you are in the good hands.  A little more shop time and hopefully be back on the rails.  
 
Glad to hear that you got some frustration out with a little paint ball.
 
Don
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 11:10am

 
   Well guys, as an old live steamer, I feel that the day was a positive. The boiler, which is brandy new, fired beautifully. Made steam easily. drafted really nicely, and the inovative grates worked well. So thats nothing to lament about. Considering how much of the engine has already been apart and put back together.
    BTW, the 'engine' part (cylinders, pistons, spool valves, cylinder heads) have never been apart since Bobby t. has owned this engine. And the stuff that we found, while not nice, is better to correct now than try to run and have to do it latter. And, most of the parts that we looked at are OK. But the new piston rings and new spool vlave rings were needed  to say the least. Other than a little honeing in the cylinder, I think this thing is gonna run like a scaled dog when its back together.
   Oh, that tender looks nice too Bobby.
 
Russ, that pic of my hands with the piston and rod in them really makes me look like an old man. Boy, do my hands look old!WOW
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 11:16am

 
   Oh, and something else that I forgot to mention. The damn thing ran onto the turn table, onto the table lead and back. Past the water tank twice. For a first time out, with so much already done to this engine, That ain't too bad!!!!! Bobby, your in the home streach. Even though it may not seem so, you are.
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 11:51am
Guys, these are my humble pics of the first light up of Bobby T.'s engine with it's new boiler. and new tender (my pics are not as dramatic as conrailred's pics)  
 
As is the habit of the hand full of ' real live steamers' here in SW florida, we tend to ' gather together' when one of us is taking an engine out for it's first run. The winter boys plus us regulars were there for this 'birthing'.
 
Bob Dean and Bobby T. waiting for steam to rise in the new boiler
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 11:53am
Bobby T. giving everything in the cab a good look see.
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 11:56am
'steam rising' Russ D (conrailred) to the left taking pics, Bob D., Bobby T., tending the engine, and Pete relaxing over to the right.
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 11:58am
first time the safety valve has opened on the new boiler. lft. to rit. Bob Dean, Peter B., and Bobby T.
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 12:08pm
I'm fully aware that I'm probably boreing a number of 'keyboard pounders' here, but when someone builds or rebuilds a steam locomotive, regardless of size, well, thats something to crow about. These next few pic show this engine, moveing on its own 'steam' after about a years worth of work.
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 12:10pm
first move on it's own steam. off of the steaming bay and onto the turn table/lift.
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 12:13pm
first time Bobby T. pulling he throttle on his 0-6-0. backing off of the now lowered turn table/lift.
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 12:16pm
with his 'tush' on the cush-ion of the new tender that he and Bob D. built, the 0-6-0 is backed off of the turn tale and onto the table /engine lead
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 12:18pm
Bobby T.backing his 0-6-0 for the first time past the John Cassady, Possum Flats and Eastern RR water tank
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 12:25pm
my last pic for now. ( I'll bet a number of folks are glad of that)
 
Bobby T. bringing his switcher back onto the turn table. just in time for his friends to take the cylinders and valves apart, heh,heh,heh.
 
Its always a thrill for me and I'm sure my other live steam friends here in SW Florida to see another 'live steam locomotive' brought back to life. Good work Bob D. and Bobby.
 
Posted by: Henry Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 1:17pm
Not bored at all, this is good stuff. Amazing how little steam escaped with no piston rings!
 
Henry
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 1:35pm
I don't know if I said this Bobby, but congratulations and welcome to the ranks of coal burners. It was a very successful day.
Russ
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 9:16pm
I am humbled and appreciative of all the help and support of all my "steam gentlemen" friends. I could not have gotten this far without all the help.
 
The big negative of the day: Having all my friends there when things went wrong.
 
The big positive: Having all my friends there when things went wrong.  
 
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2013, 9:39pm
on Jan 14th, 2013, 9:16pm, BobbyT wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I am humbled and appreciative of all the help and support of all my "steam gentlemen" friends. I could not have gotten this far without all the help.
 
The big negative of the day: Having all my friends there when things went wrong.
 
The big positive: Having all my friends there when things went wrong.  
 

 
The negative of the day when things went wrong and your closest friends are there,,,,,,is,,,,,,,,,,, they take your engine apart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
then, when everything is apart, your friends find ways to make you spend more money,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, to correct what went wrong while all your friends were there.
Posted by: ErieAtlantic7597 Posted on: Jan 15th, 2013, 11:29am
on Jan 14th, 2013, 1:17pm, Henry wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Not bored at all, this is good stuff. Amazing how little steam escaped with no piston rings!
 
Henry

 
   Henry, sorry that I did'nt respond to your comment quicker. Thanks for your interest. Seems that neither Russ's pics or mine caught the escaping steam. Yea, with no piston rings at all and siezed valve rings, the poor thing was fightinhg itself. I'm sure the parts that are already on their way will make this 0-6-0 into a completely new engine.  no reason why not!
Posted by: ConrailRed9504 Posted on: Jan 18th, 2013, 10:44am
So Bobby, do you have your engine back together again so that your friends can come and this Sat and take it apart again? HAHAHA All kidding aside, I am looking forward to seeing her run like as Bruce said, "A scalded dog." It was good to see you last weekend.  
Take Care,
Russ
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Jan 18th, 2013, 7:10pm
Russ, the parts arrived yesterday. I plan on installing them tomorrow. Bob made a good point in that since we did not find a gasket on the front cylinder cover, we should remove the rear cover to check for a gasket. Of course that is a very involved process. I'll post updates later.
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Feb 24th, 2013, 11:58pm
Since I couldn't take a photo of me on my engine I'll post one I took of Justin Koch running it at the unmeet. We had some more original builder surprises but as of right now I have a steam engine! A few timing issues, small leaks and a balky injector to deal with, but that is to be expected. Thanks for following along on this journey.
 
Bob
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Jan 25th, 2014, 8:20pm
Time to resurrect this thread for an update!
 
At the time of the last meet the engine was running...........sort of. It was a bit of a challenge to keep steam pressure up.  
 
By the end of the meet the timing sounded horrific.  
 
When I tried to push her into the barn there was a definite binding in the gear.
 
So over the summer I brought it home and tore it apart. I found that the lubricator had not lubricated. The main shaft was damaged so that the grip bearing didn't grip. Both of the valve bobbins seized in their cylinders and at least one piston.  
 
With considerable effort and the help of a block of wood and a mallet I got the bobbins out and honed the cylinders.  
 
The lubricator turned out to be a fun little project, I made a new shaft from drill rod and hardened it. I had to order a new grip bearing which is tiny, but remarkably still easy to get for about $5.00, so I got 2   just in case.
 
While I had it down I also took the time to address the non functioning brake stand. The original design did not work at all. (the original builder even had the brake steam exhaust into the cab) So I tore it apart and fabricated a new internal part out of brass with a different design.  
 
A couple weeks ago I hauled the engine to Bob Deans home shop to reinstall the valve bobbins. My engine stand was too short to roll the engine back enough to find TDC. We got the bobbins in and timed as best we could with calipers and scales.
 
Today I finished installing the rebuilt lubricator and Bob made a new control arm for it.  
 
Nothing left to do but steam her up. Which I did and then I ran the heck out of it.   I was able to easily maintain 100+ psi around the track. And if a coal novice like me can do it, imagine what a seasoned live steamer can do!
 
The timing was still off a lot, Bob timed it as best he could but the original builder did not make any provisions for timing.  But it sounds much better....  
 
The brake stand functions now too.  
 
 
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Jan 25th, 2014, 8:28pm
Oh, sorry no pictures, I was too busy playing to take any.  
 
I do have one issue that needs addressing and that's the throttle. It is very sensitive. Barely crack it and she wants to run! Open it up a lot and she really wants to go and go fast. A lot faster than this old boy cares to go.  
 
I think this summer I will look into replacing the over-engineered home-built one and go for the more traditional SS ball valve type.  
 
Or at least I can take it apart and see if I can choke it down some.  
 
But right now you have t hold it at the position you want or it will snap back if you let go. Which is annoying if you are right handed like me and you want to tend the fire. I tried left handed but......... well, it's not a bad burn and should heal quickly.  
Posted by: fred_55 Posted on: Jan 29th, 2014, 6:41pm
Bobby, This is great news that you have it running. There is light at the end of the tunnel. This is where I was a couple of years ago.....now it only has one major failure every SECOND time I light it up .  Like you said, the joys of fixing someone elses build.
Pete
Posted by: Slipped_Eccentric Posted on: Feb 4th, 2014, 5:29pm
Wonder where all the oil was going?  I remember filling the lubricator up on occasion!  Sorry to hear of all your troubles but glad to hear it's back together again!  Hope the burn heals soon.
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Feb 4th, 2014, 7:42pm
Hey Justin.
 
Not sure but I know it wasn't going into the cylinders. I ran around Bob Deans track about 5 times and almost emptied the lubricator. So it's getting oil now to be sure.  
 
You will enjoy running her now though. She keeps steam fairly easily. The throttle is still an issue but that is a project for another day.  
 
 
Posted by: BobbyT Posted on: Feb 23rd, 2014, 8:59pm
All better!!!!! Here is Justin (slipped eccentric) running the 0-6-0 at the recent un-meet.