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What type of wood do you use for your ties?
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Darthmoose74
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What type of wood do you use for your ties?
 
« on: Sep 22nd, 2017, 8:35am »
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There is a great thread about ties on this forum and all the different ways to install them but I do not see a discussion on what wood types you all use.
 
I live in Nebraska where the weather goes from one extreme to the other in the course of a year and the area I am in has really soft dark dirt. It could be 100 degrees one day, 50 and raining the next,  -10 and snow after that. LOL
 
In today's options in the world of 2017, what do you use for wood in the USA when using ALUMINUM rails and do you have a links to where you get yours?
 
Thank you for your time.


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Hi, we use what ever we can find for free.  Wood doesnt care about temp but dislikes moisture.  WE put ours into the dirt and find they last about 5 years.  If you can afford treated lumber for ground contact, you will find it will last longer.  The next best thing is to get it up on ballast that will drain the water and let the tie dry out after moister contact.  A lot of people buy their wood at a lumber yard and cut to size with a table saw.  I havent seen anyone offer pre-cut tie unless you go to plastic.  
 
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Thing is I hear two apposing things for ALUMINUM rail. Some say use pressure treated wood, and some say not too as it will eat the aluminum and screws.  
 
I know the formula for pressure treated changed in 2003 but dose the new formula not eat ALUMINUM??


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on Sep 23rd, 2017, 4:58pm, Darthmoose74 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Thing is I hear two apposing things for ALUMINUM rail. Some say use pressure treated wood, and some say not too as it will eat the aluminum and screws.  
 
I know the formula for pressure treated changed in 2003 but dose the new formula not eat ALUMINUM??

 
Darthmoose74:  If you are going to use pressure treated 2x4's on edge, soaking them in additional wood preservative is common here in the south.  Termites are abundant here.  If you are thinking of using 2x2's, don't worry about the aluminum....you are going to be doing trackwork every weekend.  What little corrosion the preservative causes is the least of what tasks you will encounter.  Changes in seasonal temperatures will keep you busy!
 
Aluminum is the easiest to push and pull into shape, but I like the feel and sound of steel rail.
 
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Dartmoose74,
 
I have had the pleasure of laying many actual miles of live steam track yet I don't think of myself as any track expert. I can tell you about my experiences and what has worked well for me.
 
I prefer building the track "on the ground"  using pre-curved rail for the curves, Both aluminum and steel work well this way with minimal movement. A problem that the track panel method can sometimes suffer. You can see this on some tracks where the curves look more like a series of straight segments than a smooth curve. The pounding of engines combined with heat expansion causes the rail to want to return to it's natural form which is straight. Pre-curving corrects this.
 
I know I have deviated a little, but we are talking track. The very best results I have had has been from steel rail on 2" x 2" extruded plastic ties. Not the molded hollow ones but true extruded plastic. It is heavy and the ballast grips it well.  The plastic also works well with the aluminum rail with no ill effects.
 
I built a small track here in Florida 6 years ago using this method, and using a nice sharp ballast stone, and we have not had to address any major track issues. We do have one section of pressure treated wood ties (we ran out of plastic) but many of those ties a rotten.  
 
The lesson is you can spend a little more time and effort doing it right the first time, or do it cheap and spend many work days fixing track.
 
Bobby


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