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« on: May 28th, 2011, 8:00pm »
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Hi all, Another new railway about to be born.
From my previous posts of Red Fred, I am now commited to making a start.
The property is near Brisbane, Queensland, Australia and is a little over 10 acres.  Mostly dense bushland, a reasonable sized creek, a couple of acres of grass on a slope of up to 1 in 30.
Like BCRR it will not be a club, but will welcome like-minded hobbyists.
To start with, the house will be the base of operations, so the garage is being fitted with racks and benches and my small collection of machines.


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The train racks (theres a third layer to come) are removable with the forklift.
The tracks continue through the bench structure, the centre one being part of the benchtop. Eventually the top row will hold car stock, while the bottom row will house the MOW worktrain. Heck, I'm going to be tidy for once in my life (it might not last, though )


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« Reply #2 on: May 28th, 2011, 10:38pm »
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Sir,
Those stacks of wheels bespeak a transitory tidiness    Besides, a neat workshop is a sign of either a sick mind or someone who doesn't build things. Well...., you are in this hobby, but we all know  you are a builder  
 
Congrats on the new digs.
 
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« Reply #3 on: May 30th, 2011, 3:12am »
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G,day Pete....Good to see things are coming together for you.
John (SOUTHPASS).


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Greg, Just to to prove I can do pretty red lines too The top loop which will go  round the house, with a station out front.
Did the research and found that black steel bar is the preferred Ozzy track, but my friend Robert did some emailing and arranged a quote to extruded aluminium track to our specs, in 6 metre (20 foot) lengths, so I've ordered 3000 meters. A local specialist sawmill (they make bridges and walkways) will sell me treated hardwood offcuts at $150 A TON!!! Hopefully it will all materialise.


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Meanwhile I have bought a shovel. The Kubota excavator went under in the flood and I put in a tender to the insurance for a song,  and won it. A bit of a haircut and it fits in the garage   No way can I dig anything by hand.
 
Hi John, critters welcome, but it will be a little while till its ready to go.


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Sun was shining so I did some earthworks with the "toy" The basic cut was done before the house build, for a balloon loop right round the house.

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Lost the centrepoint of the circle (there's a house in the way ) so made a plan with offsets to get round the blind corner

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Got in a few hours on the machine, then it started raining and I went back to painting (doh). The wet patch in the last pic is a "soak" which is now a gravel drain that will run next to the track. The yellow pins are on the track alignment.

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Round the end of the house the "creek" goes its seperate way and the balloon loop keeps going round.  Theres a patch of soil here so I dug it out and put it aside for Ron (late Ron) and filled up with base material, which is natural and makes great road base.
Unfortunately a pivot pin cracked and dropped out of the excavator, so I'll have to make another before continuing.  
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« Reply #10 on: Jun 13th, 2011, 10:09am »
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No fair!  The rest of us don't have access to earthmoving equipment!
Seriously, quite a lot of progress to show!  I saw that you were getting some aluminum rail extruded.  What alloy will they use?  Can you get it heat treated to T6 hardness?
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Dan, I don't have access to earthmovers, thats why I bought one I took the giant risk of selling my nice 3 bedroom house in civilisation, and built a two room shed in the boonies. That excavator roughly equals one bedroom The rail order takes out another bedroom. I hope this all works cos I don't think it can be traded back.
I dont have a spec for the ally, so now I'm worried. What are the possible alloys? I'll  try to see what's available. The samples are ready for collection so I'll need to act fast. Pete


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« Reply #12 on: Jun 14th, 2011, 9:33am »
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I think most of the AL rail sold here is 6061 with T6 hardness.  6061 is a pretty common alloy.  The most desirable properties are hardness and wear resistance.
 
A comment (not meant as a criticism): your rail proportions are a little different than what is typically seen here.  The rail head width (15 mm) is a little wider in proportion to the rail height.  Typically this would be a proportion of 1:2.  Also the web thickness (8 mm, if I read your sketch correctly) is a little thicker than usual.  I don't see any problem with either of these, other than this will increase the unit cost per meter length.
 
Have a look at this data sheet on rail cross sections: http://www.unitracrail.com/pdfs2007/Track_Components_Section.pdf


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Just got the rail sample. It says that its 6106 T6 which means I can give a huge sigh of relief- thanks Dan.   Its real tough, I tried propping one end on the concrete slab and drove the car over it and it didn't have any effect. Now I will have to make a stronger rail bender as  the one in the pic probably wont cut the ice.  
The thicker than scale dimensions were an effort to make it resistant to damage and wear. The thick rib shouldn't be visible and the wider top is still narrower than the wheels, so oil should stay off. Thats the theory anyway, time will tell
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« Reply #14 on: Jun 18th, 2011, 8:08am »
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Hi all,
Good progress there Pete, and the rail looks the part and strong - thank god. The reason for the heavy rail is as Pete only really has 2 other blokes helping him out with track laying and maintenance so the less he has to worry about replacing things the better. Also in Australia there is a wee bit of resistance to aluminium rail so we figured if we are going to make a good case for it we’d better make sure it was almost indestructible.  
In yards and for the points I believe we are going with welded up black steel bar. At the minute I am coming up with the design for the trailable facing points with indicator, proving fun as I need something that locks across while train passes through then flicks back… (ingenuity don’t fail me now) will post up when finished.
Somemore pic’s and I m rather surprised that Pete didn’t mention the HUGE Waterfall over which we are planning a fairly sizeable bridge - think it worked out at 18 meters.
 


 
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Now THAT is a feature that many of us envy.... Just to have water - stream, pond, ditch - is very desireable, but falling water? That's an order of magnitude up the scale.
 
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Hi Greg
 
What is more annoying was we didn’t know it was there when Pete bought it (something about him being scared of snakes and other bitey things ) so it wasn’t until I came up (much like Indiana Jones) for a visit we discovered A) the waterfall B) the sandstone cliffed (2m high in spots) creek that leads to it.  
 
Running idea as it stands (Pete may correct me ) is that the line will loop around the house trundle down the paddock to about the half way point at around 1:80 horse shoe back to the site of the main station (still falling away at around 1:80) then head into the bush and skirt along the sandstone cliff, at around 1:100, to the waterfall and bridge over it, then just on the other side of said waterfall is going to be the terminus and Y to turn the loco around the consist. If we get enough people this side of the pond interested we are hoping to have some miniature bush industries turn up at this location.
At this stage we are looking at 3 passing loops (including the main station) 3 of which will have Trailable facing points operating them (thus meaning we can have trains passing (using staff and ticket of course) without anyone getting off a loco and changing any points.
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Hi Pete,
I'm glad your rail sample came through with the "right" alloy and hardness.  And I understand completely about the rationale on the proportions.
 
The waterfall is a pretty amazing and unique feature to incorporate into the RR.  To echo Pockets, we are all very envious of this natural attraction you have.  In the cajun french part of Louisiana, this would be called lagniappe, or something extra thrown in that was not expected.
 
Here's a photo of the track used by club I belong to (Chattanooga Society of Live Steamers) that has a similar feature of a rock outcropping (but no waterfall).  The reason the same train (my Davenport locomotive) appears twice is that it is a panorama of two photos spliced together.


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Here's an option for you to consider.  Some logging RRs here in the US would lay track right across a stream bed rather than building a bridge.  An example is illustrated in this drawing my daughter did, based on a composite of several photos of logging railroads.  You could run your track on the ledge above the waterfall, so you would get a view "looking over the edge" as you cross the stream.

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