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« Reply #160 on: Jun 27th, 2007, 12:47am »
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In this pic you can see the finished product. these are the  original valves that I made for the raritan ,back in 1992.  They are still on the loco today. Ray III

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« Reply #161 on: Jun 27th, 2007, 8:56pm »
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Ray I forgot to tell you saturday that I have your gas can.    You also missed a great final run 18 cars unassisted to the wye and back.  
 
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« Reply #162 on: Jun 28th, 2007, 8:36am »
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Tim
Yes I knew you had the gas can, but I could not take it with me in the car, thanks. I will get it ,next time I come up.  wow 18 cars , i bet that sounded great. I am going to post some pics on here from sat. Thanks Ray


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« Reply #163 on: Jun 28th, 2007, 8:52am »
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Here is the engine Tim is referring to. This is a 12 inch gauge mogul, that a group of guys ,all very good friends of mine have been working on for at least 12 years. When I first met  these guys back in 1996, they were  about  3/4 of the way done with the tender, I became there second welder . Every Saturday they meet and work in there machine shop, which back then was at one of the guys home. Now they  have all of there machines in an old grocery store ,a small one but much larger than the garage they were in.  You can work on your stuff,  or help some one else or get help from one of the more exp guys in the group. In addition to all of the 3/4|", 1",and 1 1/2" projects, they were also  working on this 12" mogul. I lived near them for  2 years and was in the shop almost every sat night  , until I moved about  2 1/2 hours south. Now I don't get up there very much. I sure miss those sat nights.  When they bought this engine all they had  I believe was the  engine frame , pilot wheels,drivers ,and cylinders. Everthing else was fabricated.So here are some pics of this engine strutting her stuff last sat at the WF&P in Glencoe  Missouri. We started off with 4 gondolas, and she would not even bark. So they  added 10 more cars, and it sounded great. Tim tells me they went to 18 after I left. Ray III

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« Reply #164 on: Jun 28th, 2007, 8:57am »
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this pic will give you an idea ,how big this engine is.

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« Reply #165 on: Jun 28th, 2007, 9:01am »
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here is a cab shot

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« Reply #166 on: Jun 28th, 2007, 9:11am »
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Here is a pic of the mogul with just 4 cars. On her last run Tim tells me they had 18. I rode on the last car  on the 14 car train. this is a point to point RR. So at the other end they cut the train off and turn the engine on a wye. So now for the return trip I was  right behind the tender. I videoed the whole trip, maybe I will try to post some of that tape.

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« Reply #167 on: Jun 28th, 2007, 9:21am »
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Back to the boiler project. Now that I have all of my plates cut out , it's time to start drilling all of the holes. There will be 52 staybolts, and 21 tubes. so thats 104 staybolt holes , and 42 tube holes. My templates already have the staybolts layed out , so I just lay the template down, clamp it to the plate and  put the punch on each mark and give it a whack with a hammer. this first pic is the template on one of the side sheets after I have just  finished marking all of the stays.

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« Reply #168 on: Jun 28th, 2007, 9:25am »
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marking the plates

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« Reply #169 on: Jun 28th, 2007, 9:29am »
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drilling the holes on one of the out side sheets. i hope to have all of the staybolt holes done in a day or two. Ray III

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« Reply #170 on: Jun 28th, 2007, 1:41pm »
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on Jun 27th, 2007, 8:56pm, Alcosteam wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ray I forgot to tell you saturday that I have your gas can.    You also missed a great final run 18 cars unassisted to the wye and back.  
 
tim

 
   HOLY MACKERAL !!!  that is not only big,,,,,its beautiful. Tim, you guys should be really proud. by the pics from ray, you guys earned it.
 
   take carw,
 
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« Reply #171 on: Jun 28th, 2007, 1:46pm »
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here are all of the plates , they are drilled  to 3/8ths and waiting for the countersink to arrive , so I can countersink the holes . That will give me more area to weld the staybolt to the plate

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« Reply #172 on: Jun 28th, 2007, 1:52pm »
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Here is the mike patiently waiting for her boiler, and old faithful is in the background. The smokebox is just sitting on there, that will get tackled after the boiler is done. Ray III

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« Reply #173 on: Jun 28th, 2007, 6:32pm »
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It took bunching up the slack and alittle sand to get the train moving out of Glencoe but once underway it was no trouble to keep 18 cars moving.  Only one slight wheel slip on wet rail between Bluffs and Mohan.  There were some complaints about the amount of hot cinders and such that came blasting out the stack.  
 
We will have to plan on getting back down to Glencoe maybe even acouple more times this year.   I know there are others in the group that would like to run the engine.  
 
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« Reply #174 on: Jun 29th, 2007, 11:39am »
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   ray,
 
   those side sheets look great. man, i personally would not stand between you and the welder wirhin the next week or so. heh,heh, heh. i'd get run over.
 
   tim,
 
   again, that is an awesome accomplishment. i sure would love to see that engine in person.  
 
   take care,  
 
   bruce


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« Reply #175 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 2:15am »
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Ray, good photos there of the 12"er.  With all 18 cars loaded, can anyone guess what kind of weight (total of cars & passengers) that might be?
 
Is that Deb or Britt behind the camera for your photos?  & I could be wrong, but your drill press almost looks like the one we used to use @ Ray Sr.'s carport...


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« Reply #176 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 6:59am »
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 I am hoping that some of the video shot of the 18 car run will allow a count on the amount of people riding the train.  I do know that when I left Glencoe there were four empty cars.  There were people that wanted to video the train as I left Glencoe and thought the train would be going slow enough they could hop on as I went by but once underway and making the slight hill out of Glencoe I was not going to slow down.  
  At one time I was told the cars average around 800 lbs apiece which would make the cars alone 14400 lbs.   Add to that a tender full of water and you add another 1200 lbs.  Looking at pictures of the train sitting at Glencoe I can count around 35 people but there could be more and kids sitting behind an adult are hard to see.  I don't know what the average adult weighs but at 185 lbs each that is 6485 lbs.  That is a fairly conservative weight of just over 22000 lbs or 11 tons.  
  The engine at operating weight is nearing 3000 lbs not including tender.  The engine was built using the drivers and cylinders from a scrapped House of David  4-6-0 which of course were originally 15" guage.  A new frame was made and the pilot wheels are from an old Tom Thumb train which was 15" guage as well.  The boiler is 16"  SA-53B  seamless tube that I bought at an auction along with two pieces of 10" tube one of which is going to become Rays Mikado boiler.  Pretty much everything else has been fabricated.  
 Here is another picture of the engine just unloaded onto the passenger turntable at Glencoe.  There is still work to do on the engine to finish it up so until the next run it will go back into the shop.  
 
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« Reply #177 on: Jun 30th, 2007, 10:06am »
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hey tim,
 
this grand scale railroad deserves its own thread.  while the size is generally considered beyond the scope of this particular live steam board, i don't know of any others here on railfan.  having said that, at the moment we are the best fit.  why not start a thread in the name of this railroad so that it can be highlighted for its accomplishments and techniques of problem solving?
 
just a thought...
 
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on Jun 30th, 2007, 6:59am, Alcosteam wrote:       (Click here for original message)
 I am hoping that some of the video shot of the 18 car run will allow a count on the amount of people riding the train.  I do know that when I left Glencoe there were four empty cars.  There were people that wanted to video the train as I left Glencoe and thought the train would be going slow enough they could hop on as I went by but once underway and making the slight hill out of Glencoe I was not going to slow down.  
  At one time I was told the cars average around 800 lbs apiece which would make the cars alone 14400 lbs.   Add to that a tender full of water and you add another 1200 lbs.  Looking at pictures of the train sitting at Glencoe I can count around 35 people but there could be more and kids sitting behind an adult are hard to see.  I don't know what the average adult weighs but at 185 lbs each that is 6485 lbs.  That is a fairly conservative weight of just over 22000 lbs or 11 tons.  
  The engine at operating weight is nearing 3000 lbs not including tender.  The engine was built using the drivers and cylinders from a scrapped House of David  4-6-0 which of course were originally 15" guage.  A new frame was made and the pilot wheels are from an old Tom Thumb train which was 15" guage as well.  The boiler is 16"  SA-53B  seamless tube that I bought at an auction along with two pieces of 10" tube one of which is going to become Rays Mikado boiler.  Pretty much everything else has been fabricated.  
 Here is another picture of the engine just unloaded onto the passenger turntable at Glencoe.  There is still work to do on the engine to finish it up so until the next run it will go back into the shop.  
 
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« Reply #178 on: Jul 2nd, 2007, 7:34pm »
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Mark, yes this is the same drill press from back then.  
Well I picked up the material for the staybolts and the  mudring today. The stays are  3/8ths, and the mudring will be 3/4, all of it is hot rolled. The countersink I ordered also arrived today, and I hope to have them all countersunk by this evening. I needed a  31/32 drill bit  for the tube holes and did not have one so it is ordered,will be here  by fri. I hope to get the tube nest drilled and reamed  this weekend. Then I will start beveling the plates and start welding. Here is a pic of the first  few holes meeting the countersink.


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« Reply #179 on: Jul 4th, 2007, 6:35am »
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here is a pic of the outside firebox sheet with all of the  staybolt holes drilled and countersunk.

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