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« Reply #200 on: Jan 29th, 2007, 5:31am »
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On December 26 2006 members of the New York Society of Model Engineers took a tour of the Cut Off starting at the Delaware River Viaduct, then onto Hainesburg Junction and the Paulinskill Viaduct with stops at Blairstown, Johnsonburg, Greendell, Andover, and finally a walk through the Roseville Tunnel.  Pictures are available for viewing at www.modelengineers.org then look for the trips and activities box.  Pics are there along with other trips we've taken.  The Cut Off is certainly a great place to spend a day of exploration!     Rich Martin

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« Reply #201 on: Jan 30th, 2007, 5:50pm »
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This just released today:
 
 
Bridge on Lackawanna Cutoff needs extensive rebuild before return to service
 
TRAINS:  STROUDSBURG, Pa. - The viaduct over the Delaware River in Slateford, Pa., may be an impediment to the restoration of passenger rail service on the former Lackawanna New Jersey Cutoff. At a public hearing last week in Stroudsburg, residents were told that the viaduct in Slateford needs "extensive rehabilitation" before trains use it again, the Pocono Record Writer reported. The hearing addressed issues in a draft environmental assessment needed to apply for the $551 million in federal funds to make rail service between Scranton, Pa., and Hoboken, N.J., a reality. The bridge, several miles south of the Delaware Water Gap, needs new arches and a new deck. Both are "severely deteriorated," according to the report.
 
The Delaware, Lackawanna & Western Railroad built the 28.5-mile New Jersey Cutoff between 1908 and 1911. It heads straight across northern New Jersey between Port Morris and Slateford Junction, Pa. Massive cuts and fills and large, reinforced-concrete viaducts characterize the line, which was built without any at-grade crossings of roads or other railroads (for the story of the use of concrete on the Cutoff, see the November 2006 issue of TRAINS). Conrail tore up the Cutoff's track in New Jersey in 1984, but the state of New Jersey completed the purchase of the property in May 2001.
 
Officials in Pennsylvania and New Jersey have cooperated on a joint plan to restore passenger service through northern New Jersey to Scranton. The project would require reconstruction of 88 miles of railroad, including the complete rebuilding of the abandoned cutoff portion. Envisioned are 18 passenger trains a day between Scranton and Hoboken. The trip from the Delaware Water Gap to Hoboken is estimated at more than two hours.
 
U.S. Rep. John Siptroth acknowledged that getting $551 million in one bundle from Washington is a tall order. "Maybe, we might have to get it done incrementally," he told the Record Writer.


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« Reply #202 on: Oct 28th, 2007, 12:57pm »
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When was the Cut-Off singled tracked? Also when Conrail took over operations, was the 3-mile long siding at Greendel still around? Thanks!
 
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« Reply #203 on: Oct 28th, 2007, 2:10pm »
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on Oct 28th, 2007, 12:57pm, John5022 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
When was the Cut-Off singled tracked? Also when Conrail took over operations, was the 3-mile long siding at Greendel still around? Thanks!
 
-JRS

 
From the pictorial evidence provided by the Erie Lackawanna In Color series, I think the Cut-Off was single tracked in 1975, or possibly late '74. As for the siding, I don't know.  


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« Reply #204 on: Nov 12th, 2007, 11:32am »
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There is a good article by John R. Canfield in the winter edition of Classic Trains about the last decade of the independent Lackawanna.  Canfield an employee of the Lackawanna at the time, puts the single tracking of the Cutoff between 1957 and 1959.  He sites to desire reduce excess capacity as the reason.  It was the westbound main that was retired between milepost 48.2 and 72.2 with the three mile section at Greendell kept in place for a passing siding.  I had always wondered myself what year this was done and was quite suprised to read that the Lackawanna did it before the merger with the Erie in 1960.
 
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« Reply #205 on: Feb 12th, 2008, 12:22am »
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on Nov 12th, 2007, 11:32am, Trackbolt wrote:       (Click here for original message)
There is a good article by John R. Canfield in the winter edition of Classic Trains about the last decade of the independent Lackawanna.  Canfield an employee of the Lackawanna at the time, puts the single tracking of the Cutoff between 1957 and 1959.  He sites to desire reduce excess capacity as the reason.  It was the westbound main that was retired between milepost 48.2 and 72.2 with the three mile section at Greendell kept in place for a passing siding.  I had always wondered myself what year this was done and was quite suprised to read that the Lackawanna did it before the merger with the Erie in 1960.
 
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Not to get way off topic here but...
 
It seemed like the Lackawanna did a lot of unusal things. Single track the cut-off, sell off the "Old booton line" to the state of NJ to make way of I-80. All this was done in the late 50's-early 60's. What else did the DL&W do around this time frame that was very unusal?
 
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« Reply #206 on: Apr 20th, 2008, 9:58pm »
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on Dec 30th, 2006, 9:24pm, hummel1237 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Hi Ken! Happy Holidays to you and yours!
 
People can drive to Hackettstown NJ and take the "old Lackawanna" to points East like I did (or High Bridge, Lake Hopatcong, etc.)...
 
Don't get me wrong, I would like to see the cut-off restored but I can't understand why more folks are not on these East Bound trains for points East from NJ and I think until these trains get used more they (whoever "they" are) will see no need for a re-opening. You can say more people will ride from PA but then you have to ask is the demand there - I mean why are people driving the whole distance when clearly they could ride from points in NJ. I'll bet at a million a mile the planners are asking that very question. People would rather drive or they would already be on trains - right? The public would rather pay 2 dollars plus per gallon and the powers that be are loving it - which may be another reason for not re-opening it...
 
Just my thoughts...
 
Jim...

 
I couldn't help but notice the price of gas in 2006. It's now over 4 dollars!
 
The cut-off really needs to re-open...
 
Jim...
 


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« Reply #207 on: Jun 23rd, 2008, 3:09pm »
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While touring the Cut-Off on Friday June 20, 2008 we were saddened to find the Johnsonburg station, freight platforms, bumpers, and Sheffield Creamery ruins have all been removed.  The area is wide open and flat, covered with the rubble of the former buildings.  Take your photos while you can, looks like the bulldozers are coming.  Wouldn't be surprised if Greendell was next.

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« Reply #208 on: Jun 26th, 2008, 8:16am »
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Why oh why are they taking our American History from us and the generations?
 
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« Reply #209 on: Jun 26th, 2008, 3:56pm »
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This is pretty old news, I don't know why the sudden newsflash and outcry.  
 
Yes, it is truly unfortunate that another Lackawanna "survivor" gone, but there is a good reason, regardless of it's shortsightedness.  
 
Back in September of last year, there were two boys who were injured while playing in and around the creamery ruins. Rather than just accept reponsibility for doing something stupid, the NJDOT thought it best to "remediate" the entire site in October of 2007, and all ruins and buildings were demolished to avoid future "incidents".  
 
If you do a search for the message on the Erie Lackawanna mailing list for "Johnsonburg Station, and the lack their of", dated Friday, February 22nd, 2008, you can read all the juicy details.
 
I do not believe that the Greendell facilities are next for any other reason other than unless there happens to be another idiot kid who goes and hurts, or worse, kills himself while "playing" where he shouldn't be playing, and the state is forced to cut their losses and avoid further lawsuits with another round of "remediations".
 
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« Reply #210 on: Jun 26th, 2008, 8:13pm »
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Thanks for the info...
 
It's sad all the way around...
 
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« Reply #211 on: Aug 30th, 2008, 7:25pm »
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Correction: The Lackawanna did not sell its Boonton Line Right of Way between Totawa and Paterson. This was done by the Erie-Lackawanna.  
This Track was removed from service 11/6/1963. The sale was consumated in 1963. The rational was most business was moving via the Erie to Maybrook and the operation of 4 trains a day between Scranton and Croxton was not going to be much of a headache to handle via a connection with the Greenwood Lake Branch.  It was also a great way save expenses on commuter service by combining the Greenwood Lake Branch with the Boonton Line. Only 6 trains a day went thru to Wanaque-Midvale after the coordination and only 2 a day went thru to Hoboken.
This was the start of the dismantling of commuter service on the Greenwood Lake Line. In addition this connection severely reduced the attractiveness of the Cut-off to Conrail and probably was a factor in the ex Erie route to Binghampton being chosen verse the Scranton Line.


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« Reply #212 on: Apr 6th, 2012, 9:48am »
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I pulled this tid bid from Wikepedia.  There is a more recent picture of the work on the right of way that just temporarily stopped. I hope this revives more interest in this thread.
 
In 2008, the North Jersey Transportation Planning Authority (NJTPA) approved a proposal by New Jersey Transit to restore rail service to the Lackawanna Cut-Off and onward along the old DL&W mainline in Pennsylvania to Scranton.[21] The approval made the project eligible for Federal Transit Administration (FTA) funding for engineering and design work.
 
NJ Transit proposed to reopen train service in two phases:
 Phase I (also known as the Minimal Operating Segment) - will extend rail service to Andover (7.3 miles, 11.8 km), where a new station at Roseville Road will be built with 125 parking spaces. This site was chosen because it is the area's only land parcel of sufficient size that is at grade with the Cut-Off and near a major highway; the site is about 1.1 miles (1.8 km) from US Route 206 and about 0.9 miles (1.5 km) from Sussex County Route 517. Initially this section will be operated as a single-track railroad with a 70 mph (113 km/hr) speed limit, using dual-mode locomotives. Construction of this section of track is currently in progress.[22] Twelve daily Midtown Direct trains between Andover and New York, six eastbound and six westbound, will be run.
 
Andover Extension - Construction Progress - as of March 2012 ("Milepost" indicates miles west of Hoboken.)
 
 
 
Section
 
Milepost
 
Milepost
 
Track installed?
 
Remaining work (estimated completion date)
 
Photo
 
 
 
1. Port Morris Junction to County Road 602
 
45.8
 
47.0
 
Yes
 
Install prefabricated switch at junction to replace temporary switch; install Automatic Train Control and signal system on Cut-Off; lay additional track into Port Morris Yard from Morristown Line; rebuild wye track from Cut-Off to Port Morris Yard (2013-14).
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
2. Route 602 grade crossing
 
47.0
 
47.0
 
No
 
Install tracks across roadway with quad gates (quiet zone to be created, no sounding of horn for grade crossing[23]); raise utility wires that cross the railroad right-of-way; adjust height of roadway and/or Cut-Off roadbed before installing grade crossing (2012-13).
 
 
 
 
3. Curve at and west of Route 602 grade crossing
 
47.0
 
47.1
 
No*
 
No ballast or track (*Track was temporarily installed on wooden ties with no ballast and then subsequently removed); minor right-of-way clearing required (to be completed with grade crossing).
 
 
 
 
4. Tangent track west of Route 602 grade crossing
 
47.1
 
47.6
 
Yes
 
Continues to start of 2nd curve west of Port Morris.
 
 
 
 
5. 2nd curve west of Port Morris (includes new and old Route 605 overhead bridges)
 
47.6
 
48.0
 
No
 
No ballast or track; adjacent stream requires remediation and clearing of right-of-way (2013).
 
 
 
 
6. Section east of Lake Lackawanna
 
48.0
 
50.0
 
Yes
 
Track ends at Lake Lackawanna.
 
 
 
 
7. Lake Lackawanna to Roseville Tunnel
 
50.0
 
51.6
 
No
 
Clear right-of-way and relay track (2013).
 
 
 
 
8. Roseville Tunnel
 
51.6
 
51.8
 
No
 
Lower tunnel floor; reseal portion of tunnel roof; deepen drainage ditches (2014).
 
 
 
 
9. Roseville Tunnel to Andover Station
 
51.8
 
52.9
 
No
 
Clear right-of-way; improve drainage immediately west of tunnel; install new rockslide detectors on north side of right-of-way (2013-2014).
 
 
 
 
10. Andover Station
 
52.9
 
53.1
 
No
 
Clear area of trees and regrade; build parking lot and connect to Roseville Road (adjacent); build station building and platform; install end of track device; install signage (2014).
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The temporary end of track on the Cut-Off has been reached near Lake Lackawanna (out of view to left). Note the uncleared right-of-way in the background in this photo taken Feb 17, 2012. Due to a delay in obtaining state environmental permits, work on the remaining section to Andover, NJ will not resume until Dec 2012. Phase II - will extend rail service along the remainder of the Cut-Off (21 miles, 34 km) and into Pennsylvania, possibly as far to Scranton (60 miles, 97 km), a total of 88 miles (142 km). The estimated cost would be $516 million for track, station sites, signals, and bridgework along the Cut-Off; station sites and signals to Scranton, and additional locomotives and passenger cars. Steps in this phase include: Rebuilding the remainder of the Cut-Off as a single-track railroad (with concrete ties and welded rail), but with an 80 mph (129 km/hr) speed limit, reflecting the more favorable curvature of the line west of Andover;
 Removing and rebuilding the bridge deck of the Delaware River Viaduct;
 Partially rebuilding the decking of the Paulins Kill Viaduct;[21]
 Constructing passing sidings west of Andover station and in Blairstown, New Jersey;
 Re-opening the station at Blairstown, with 230 parking spaces;
 Building a maintenance-of-way facility at Greendell, a former station site.
 Replacing an overhead roadway bridge at Slateford Jct. that was removed and filled in during the 1990s.[21]
 
 
Stations in Pennsylvania would include Delaware Water Gap (a new station near the Delaware Water Gap Visitors' Center in Smithfield Township, PA, with 900 parking spaces in a five-story parking garage); East Stroudsburg (a new station site, slightly south of the old station site, with 228 parking spaces); Analomink (a new station, near the old station site, with 250 parking spaces); Pocono Mountain (a new station, near the old Mount Pocono station, with 1,000 parking spaces); Tobyhanna (an existing station, with 102 parking spaces); and Scranton (a new station, west of the existing station, with 30 parking spaces). All stations on the line would have high-level platforms and would comply with Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) standards.[21]
 
Passenger service to Scranton and points east would consist of 18 trains a day (nine eastbound and nine westbound) to Hoboken or New York City. By 2030, it is estimated that the service would carry 6,000 passengers a day from northeastern Pennsylvania and northwestern New Jersey to jobs in New Jersey and New York City.[21]
 
Future commuters traveling to Hoboken using this service would board a Port Authority Trans-Hudson (PATH) train to travel into lower Manhattan or would switch to a Hudson-Bergen Light Rail train to points along the New Jersey side of the Hudson River. A two-hour travel time from northeastern Pennsylvania to New York City has been estimated, similar to the commute from New York's northern suburbs such as Poughkeepsie, Brewster, and New Haven, Connecticut. NJ Transit will operate the service to Scranton, which is projected will cost about $26 million a year.[24]


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« Reply #213 on: Oct 5th, 2013, 3:08pm »
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** Signaling on the Lackawanna Cut-Off **
 A article taken from a Google Free E-Book.
 
http://books.google.com/books?id=u4fmAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA197&dq=Lackawanna+cut+off&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2V9QUuK1JvKo4AO2g4HgCw&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Lackawanna%20cut%20off&f=false
 
This link opens to the start of the book.
 Page 197 has photos and info on Clark Summit tower north of Scranton.
 Page 318 has info and photo of the Lackawanna switch layout, and electrical equipment used.


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« Reply #214 on: Oct 5th, 2013, 3:22pm »
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** The Engineering Record Volume 58 1908. **
 A article on the Lackawanna Cut-Off.
 
http://books.google.com/books?id=TkIjAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA191&dq=Lackawanna+cut+off&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2V9QUuK1JvKo4AO2g4HgCw&ved=0CD0Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Lackawanna%20cut%20off&f=false
 
This link now is opening to start of book.  
page 191 article on new cut off line.
page 300 Hoboken Pier 7 DL&W.
page 447 Bergen Hill Tunnel.
page 611 New Scranton Station


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*** "The New Lackawanna Cut-Off "***
 **Railroad Age gazette volume 45 1908.**
By F L Weaton, engineer of construction.
 
http://books.google.com/books?id=GWQgAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA715&dq=Lackawanna+cut+off&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2V9QUuK1JvKo4AO2g4HgCw&ved=0CF4Q6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Lackawanna%20cut%20off&f=false


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Article in NJ Herald about building the Cut-off by Wayne McCabe, local historian:
http://www.njherald.com/20170423/sussex-county-lost-april-23-construction-of-the-lackawanna-cut-off#
Has a couple of pictures during construction.


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More of an update form the NJ Herald. Seems like opposing parties are at least talking now.
 
Movement seen on Lackawanna Cut-Off project
By David Danzis New Jersey Herald
Posted: Jun. 29, 2017 12:01 am
 
ANDOVER TOWNSHIP -- Mayor Tom Walsh provided an update on the status of the Lackawanna Cut-Off project and the township's meetings with New Jersey Transit during Monday's public meeting.
 
Walsh said the township's engineer, Cory Stoner, was in Trenton on Monday for a meeting with transit officials and a conference call between township officials, transit and state Department of Environmental Protection representatives was scheduled for Tuesday as well.
 
The conference call went "excellent," according to Walsh.
 
"It might have been the best meeting we've had with (the agencies)," Walsh said Wednesday morning.
 
Walsh and Township Attorney Fred Semrau said communications between the two parties had increased significantly since a letter to New Jersey Transit some 45 days earlier requesting clarification for delays and hold-ups. Semrau said the project seems to be gaining more traction since the letter was sent.
 
Walsh also credited the increased involvement of both U.S. Rep. Josh Gottheimer, D-5th Dist., and U.S. Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen, R-11th Dist., as well as an "extra push" from the state Legislative District 24 offices of state Sen. Steve Oroho, Assemblyman Parker Space and Assemblywoman Gail Phoebus.
 
The township is still awaiting confirmation from New Jersey Transit on a submitted Memorandum of Agreement stating that the transit agency would assist in any litigation costs associated with the potential use of eminent domain on the property of Hudson Farm West where a culvert running under a portion of the property has been the stated cause of delays.  
 
Link to full article:
http://www.njherald.com/20170629/movement-seen-on-lackawanna-cut-off-project#


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