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Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Jan 27th, 2011, 8:39pm
OK, I know a couple of us have raised the possibility of a meet-up to explore Rochester Junction... so let me ask this: who is serious about coming out to do this? If so, when would you like to do it?  
 
I can do it, provided it falls on a weekend when I'm not working for my band.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jan 27th, 2011, 8:49pm
Im in!  
most any Saturday or Sunday would probably be good for me..
the only scheduled events I have are some train shows, where my G-gauge club runs displays..but there arent a lot of those..
if someone plans a day, odds are good I can be there..
sounds cool!  
 
I was thinking maybe May or June..when the weather is nice..
although maybe earlier would be better..like maybe March..before a lot of vegetation begins to grow and hides things..we could get a better look at railroad remnants before the leaves come out..
 
Scot
Posted by: FFW-1 Posted on: Jan 27th, 2011, 10:09pm
I'd come join you guys, but the train doesn't stop at South Plainfield anymore...............
 
RAH
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Jan 27th, 2011, 11:19pm
I'd like to do it, as long as we can plan it far enough in advance. I was thinking April or May... Too much of a risk of snow and mud in March... And, They have built roads up here now from New Jersey!
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Jan 28th, 2011, 7:59am
Saturdays or Sundays, let me know!!
Posted by: DElder Posted on: Jan 28th, 2011, 9:32am
At the risk of getting the award for "longest distance traveled" to attend (unless we can talk TB into being there too!), I would definitely be interested in showing up for this if it happens!  In addition to being an interesting old LV location to poke around (which I unfortunately never did during my "formative years" in Central NY), it would also be a great opportunity to finally meet some of the folks who I've come to "know" over the past ~10 years from this list.  Given enough advance notice (and assuming that it's on a weekend this spring?), I'd make an effort to join in.
 
We have a large group here in suburban Kansas City that does a similar annual outing the day after Thanksgiving to explore old railroad stuff (it's come to be known as the annual "Walk in the Weeds"), and it's always a great time.  
 
Come on Ralph.... where's your "commitment to the hobby" ??  
   Doug Elder
   Olathe KS
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Jan 28th, 2011, 9:45am
Have given some thought to traveling back to NYS again this year. However, it would not be until this fall at the earliest.
 
A visit to the Honeoye Falls-Mendon Historical Society Museum in HF would be worth a short side trip if the meeting at Rochester Jct. comes to fruition. The museum is open 14:00-16:00 Sundays only. There are some LVRR Rochester Jct. artifacts and photos on display in a small side room.
 
Good fortune and I hope to see some photos of the meeting posted.
Posted by: slotracer Posted on: Jan 28th, 2011, 11:11am
Rochester Jct is one place I never did get to when I lived in WNY but I'm a little too far west (West of Denver)and too busy a schedule. Have a good time everyone.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Jan 28th, 2011, 11:15am
You can count me in!
 
It will be awesome to meet you fellas!
 
Charlie
Posted by: Henry Posted on: Jan 28th, 2011, 11:22am
I'm interested, but Saturdays are better than Sundays for me. Once racing and baseball starts up it can get tough to pry me away on Sundays...
 
I also like to be able check things out before the leaves obscure the views, but we'll probably get a better turnout if we schedule it for a potentially warmer date. We may want to set a primary date and also a backup date in case of rain. My days of rail archaeology in the rain are pretty much behind me
 
Henry
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Jan 28th, 2011, 2:48pm
I might be in on a weekend when it's warmer.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Jan 28th, 2011, 6:44pm
I agree on the warmer weather. What about late March or early April? The really cold weather should be over by then but (as Scot suggests) we'll also be able to see more of the ROW before the vegetation starts growing again. Any thoughts?  
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jan 29th, 2011, 11:11am
Matt,
that sounds good to me!
looks like you are in charge of this,  
so how about just picking a date and then we can see how it works for everyone? then tweak the date if necessary..
 
On April 9 & 10 there will be a G-gauge train display running at Bristols Garden center in Victor..I normally go for the day either Sat or Sun..
but I could work in a trip to the junction on one of those days as well..
and if anyone is interested in seeing the G-gauge trains run, that could be a fun side trip..probably Live steam running too:
 
http://gold.mylargescale.com/scottychaos/GGGRS/Bristols2008.htm
 
http://gold.mylargescale.com/scottychaos/upstatesteamers/steampage.html
 
just a suggestion!
another weekend would be fine for me too..
 
Scot
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Jan 29th, 2011, 2:30pm
I'm hopeing to have my Miniature train running and being at bristols to give rides to the children in April
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Jan 31st, 2011, 8:53pm
I'd rather not have a conflict with the live steamers, so I think we should do it on Saturday, April 2nd. All in favor, say aye!  
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Feb 1st, 2011, 11:19am
aye!  
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Feb 1st, 2011, 3:19pm
Just let me know!!
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Feb 1st, 2011, 7:05pm
Aye!
 
Charlie
Posted by: Henry Posted on: Feb 2nd, 2011, 3:39pm
Saturday, April 2nd is good for me.
 
Henry
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2011, 8:36pm
Excellent! I think we have enough interest to justify the expedition on 4/2!  
 
That said, other LV fans have plenty of time to decide whether they'll join us.
Posted by: LV319 Posted on: Feb 5th, 2011, 7:57pm
Hi all, as always I am interested in all things Lehigh Valley.  It would be a short drive from Auburn, NY where several are members of the Cayuga Valley Model Railroaders Inc. and might also be interested in the field trip.  Ok to ask them?
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Feb 5th, 2011, 8:11pm
I like hanging around anyone who lies anything to do with trains, Fine with me!!
Posted by: LV319 Posted on: Feb 5th, 2011, 9:01pm
Thanks, I will throw it out at the next meeting, this Thursday and see if anyone else is interested in attending.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 6th, 2011, 8:49pm
on Feb 5th, 2011, 7:57pm, LV319 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hi all, as always I am interested in all things Lehigh Valley.  It would be a short drive from Auburn, NY where several are members of the Cayuga Valley Model Railroaders Inc. and might also be interested in the field trip.  Ok to ask them?  

 
Since Scot nominated me as the de facto leader of this expedition, I'm fine with the Cayuga Valley Model Railroaders joining us that day. If you could supply a rough head count, that would be great.  
 
 
P.S. Do we want to name this meet-up?  
Posted by: LV319 Posted on: Feb 7th, 2011, 12:21am
Thanks Matthew, I will see what the interest level is this week and get back to you.  There aren't but 14 people total in the organization.
Posted by: BlackDiamondRR Posted on: Feb 7th, 2011, 9:05am
Matthew,
    I would like to be a part of this trip, but depending on when it is scheduled. I have a few out of town trips coming this spring and summer, so it all depends on that.
    If I can make it, a run on the Harley would make for a great ride. I think there's also a nice restaurant in town (Lima) which should be included in the plans.
    Bud
Posted by: Henry Posted on: Feb 7th, 2011, 11:55am
on Feb 6th, 2011, 8:49pm, Matthew_L wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Since Scot nominated me as the de facto leader of this expedition, I'm fine with the Cayuga Valley Model Railroaders joining us that day. If you could supply a rough head count, that would be great.  
 
P.S. Do we want to name this meet-up?  

 
Is this still a Rochester Jct immediate area field trip or have we expanded it into something that encompasses a substantially larger area?
 
Henry
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 7th, 2011, 9:18pm
on Feb 7th, 2011, 12:21am, LV319 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Thanks Matthew, I will see what the interest level is this week and get back to you.  There aren't but 14 people total in the organization.

 
That's good to know. A rough head count helps with planning for things like parking and dining.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 7th, 2011, 9:20pm
on Feb 7th, 2011, 9:05am, BlackDiamondRR wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Matthew,
    I would like to be a part of this trip, but depending on when it is scheduled. I have a few out of town trips coming this spring and summer, so it all depends on that.
    If I can make it, a run on the Harley would make for a great ride. I think there's also a nice restaurant in town (Lima) which should be included in the plans.
    Bud

 
The meet-up will be Saturday 4/2, if that helps you plan your trips. Does anyone want to use Sunday 4/3 as the make up day in case it rains on Saturday?  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 7th, 2011, 9:23pm
on Feb 7th, 2011, 11:55am, Henry wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Is this still a Rochester Jct immediate area field trip or have we expanded it into something that encompasses a substantially larger area?
 
Henry

 
Excellent question. Our expedition will definitely include Rochester Junction. Does anyone else want to explore further- such as the former MT or the branch lines? I think it's important that we define what the mission for this trip is.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 14th, 2011, 9:31pm
Nobody has replied to my previous question, so let me ask again: what do those of who plan to meet at Rochester Junction on 4/2 want to do?  
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Feb 15th, 2011, 9:49am
Personally, I wouldn't mind exploring the junction area and the abandoned part of the Rochester Branch south of Matthew & Fields, maybe part of the branch toward Lima. Other thoughts?
 
Charlie
Posted by: Henry Posted on: Feb 15th, 2011, 1:22pm
As long as I get to see everything worth seeing at Jct, I'm up for exploring anywhere else within a half hour or so of there. I wouldn't mind checking out Mortimer Jct and the Manchester Yard roundhouse area.
 
I'd rather do Saturday 4/9 than Sunday 4/3 as a rain date.
 
What about a meeting time? Tammy and I will make it a day trip so we have about an hour and a half drive to get there. Anything earlier than about 10 am would be pushing it for us as I will have at least an hour's work to do before we leave. We'll have light until about 8 pm so we'll have lots of time for exploration even if we start at noon.
 
Henry
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Feb 15th, 2011, 4:58pm
Should probably at least swing by the Manchester roundhouse..you never know when it might be the last time you see it!
 
I have heard, rumors, that when individuals visit the roundhouse by themselves, there sometimes appear on-line photos of the interior, but the roof is really badly decaying..going inside would be out of the question..but fortunately its right up next to a public road, so its possible to get right up close to it for good photos, while still staying on public property..I think that would have to be a definite stop on the tour..its the largest surviving LV artifact west of Sayre..(at this point, possibly the largest surviving LV artifact period??)
 
I dont know if touring things like the abandoned Rochester branch between Matthews & Fields and the junction would be worthwhile..there is really nothing to see..
 
The Genesee river bridge is interesting if you havent seen it, we could park on East River road and walk out to it..also see the North-South greenway trail where the PRR passed under the LV..so thats a possibility.
 
hmmm..there is also a LV locomotive in very close proximity!
I will do some asking around about that..
 
Scot
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Feb 15th, 2011, 5:12pm
I went in the roundhouse 2 weeks ago, but it was a dark ay, so I did not get any pictures. Would love to see any LV loco though!
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Feb 15th, 2011, 9:55pm
I sure would like to meet ya all there. Would be good to follow someone that knew where anything worth seeing is. Keep us posted as to when we will meet and where.  Thanks to all who are doing the work to figure out where to go.  Keith
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Feb 16th, 2011, 9:19am
For those of you coming in from out of town, and might not be sure exactly where Rochester Junction is..Go to google maps:
 
http://maps.google.com/
 
type in:
 
270 plains road, Mendon, NY
 
That puts you directly at the spot where the LV crosses plains road, right where we will be parking and meeting..then you can use the "directions" feature of google maps, plug in your starting point, and it will give you directions..
 
(google maps also recognizes "Rochester Junction NY"! but that places you too far east..270 Plains road is better..it puts you exactly there.)
 
Bing Maps does not recognize 270 Plains Road however..
but here is the precise location on Bing maps:
 
http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/?org=aj&FORM=Z9LH9#/c5kdgk15snpjbr9r
 
I put the marker in the parking lot for the trail, which is right across the road from the Junction location. (parking lot is just west of Plains road, Rochester Junction is just East of plains road)
 
 
Scot
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 17th, 2011, 8:20pm
Scot, you have presented some great ideas. I think we should meet at Rochester Junction at 10 AM and then proceed westward to the Genesee River bridge and the Greenway. That would be followed by a visit to the RGVM so we can see LV #211 and we could wap things up by driving out to Manchester to see the round house. What do the rest of you think about this plan?
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Feb 18th, 2011, 7:50pm
That works for me...
 
Charlie
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 19th, 2011, 5:24pm
One more thing- Saturday 4/9 will not work for me as a rain date. Right now, family discussions are under way regarding a memorial service for my aunt. (She died in January.) Right now- it looks like the date will be 4/9 or 4/16... in Elmira. Furthermore, a certain Bob Seger is playing in Buffalo on 4/9, so I'll probably be there if the memorial service doesn't happen that weekend.
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Mar 8th, 2011, 8:17am
Scot & all,
 
I am in.  
 
here are some thoughts....
1. LV bridge over Auburn Branch of NYC in Fishers.
2. Rochester Junction
3. Genesee River Bridge
4. RGVRRM RS3m 211
 
Bring good walking shoes, lot of ground to cover....
 
John Stewart
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 8th, 2011, 12:17pm
on Mar 8th, 2011, 8:17am, rgvrr wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Scot & all,
 
I am in.  
 
here are some thoughts....
1. LV bridge over Auburn Branch of NYC in Fishers.
2. Rochester Junction
3. Genesee River Bridge
4. RGVRRM RS3m 211
 
Bring good walking shoes, lot of ground to cover....
 
John Stewart

 
Cool, thanks John!
(John is getting us access to LV 211!   She is offically on the tour now.)
 
Here is what I would suggest..open to debate!
 
1. Meet at Rochester Junction.
2. Over to Manchester.
3. Genesee River Bridge.
4. RGVRRM and LV 211.
 
Thats going to take up most of the day right there!
If there is still time, and if people are still interested, maybe end the tour with a trip up to downtown Rochester, High Falls, and Dinosaur BBQ. (LV passenger station.) I probably wont have time to do dinner at the Dinosaur, but some people might be into that..
 
Unfortunately Manchester roundhouse is a bit out of the way, compared to the rest of the tour (about 30 minutes east of the Junction) but if some people are coming from farther away, and have never seen it, IMO it should be on the list..its days are numbured.
 
thoughts?
Scot
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Mar 8th, 2011, 12:51pm
Please just let me know a day and time when you all know!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 8th, 2011, 8:55pm
on Mar 8th, 2011, 12:17pm, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Cool, thanks John!
(John is getting us access to LV 211!   She is offically on the tour now.)
 
Here is what I would suggest..open to debate!
 
1. Meet at Rochester Junction.
2. Over to Manchester.
3. Genesee River Bridge.
4. RGVRRM and LV 211.
 
Thats going to take up most of the day right there!
If there is still time, and if people are still interested, maybe end the tour with a trip up to downtown Rochester, High Falls, and Dinosaur BBQ. (LV passenger station.) I probably wont have time to do dinner at the Dinosaur, but some people might be into that..
 
Unfortunately Manchester roundhouse is a bit out of the way, compared to the rest of the tour (about 30 minutes east of the Junction) but if some people are coming from farther away, and have never seen it, IMO it should be on the list..its days are numbured.
 
thoughts?
Scot

 
Scot, this is the perfect plan. I would suggest that (as previously discussed) we meet at Rochester Junction at 10 AM on Sat 4/2.  
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 9th, 2011, 12:26am
How much will it be to get in the musem that day to see the 211? Adult and kids prices?
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Mar 9th, 2011, 8:41am
The RGVRRM where 211 is located is actually closed for the season. Normal operating days are Sundays.  
 
So, we will meet at the Industry depot parking lot, and you can get the FREE tour of depot and building. Now, you are welcome to drop a donation in the box.
 
Since there is a lot of ground to cover I would suggest that peopel bring lunch with them.
 
 
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Mar 9th, 2011, 10:30am
One item you folks should keep in mind is that the trek East River Road (parking area)-Genesee River and back would be close to four miles.
 
The last I knew the shorter route, Scottsville Road-Genesee River, was all on private property and was not the easiest of hikes plus there was no parking area along Scottville Road.
 
Possibly things have changed, however as it has been almost five years since I was in that area.
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Mar 9th, 2011, 11:45am
I agree with that hike,,, pretty far. Also pretty far going south from route 251 on the former PRR ROW, especially if weather is bad.
 
Now, if you were on a bike you could easily cover the Genesee River Bridge to Rochester Junction, and on to the LV bridge in Fishers.  
 
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 9th, 2011, 1:13pm
Its three miles round trip, not four..
1.5 miles from East River road to the Genesee River bridge..walking straight down the LV mainline..
 
personally I dont consider that very far..but if its too much, we can cross it off the list..
 
The Fishers bridge, while less interesting (IMO) than the Genesee River bridge, *is* easier to get to..looks like its less than 1/4 mile from a trail parking lot..So thats a possibility!
 
The Fishers bridge is where the LV mainline crossed over the NYC Auburn branch, (both are now rail trails in the area of the bridge.)
 
Genesee River bridge is where the LV main crossed over the Genesee River and the PRR Rochester branch..which are both also now trails.
IMO, Genesee Bridge is more interesting, but yes, a longer walk to get to.
so we do need to take that into consideration..
(the trail to the Genesee River Bridge also crosses over the Livonia, Avon & Lakeville railroad! although the odds of catching a LAL train on a Saturday are pretty low..)
 
Scot
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Mar 9th, 2011, 1:26pm
Most important goal,,, get out of house and get people together  
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Mar 9th, 2011, 10:49pm
Scot:
 
I come up with 1.82 miles East River Road crossing MP 384.88 to Wadsworth MP 386.7.
 
Should anyone care to cross the Genesee River bridge and explore what remains of the old PRR connection the mileage would come out quite close to 4 miles.
 
I made the trek back in 2006 and, before that, a few times when the LVRR was still active.  
 
Hope you folks have a great time and that the weather proves favorable.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 10th, 2011, 8:25am
on Mar 9th, 2011, 10:49pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Scot:
 
I come up with 1.82 miles East River Road crossing MP 384.88 to Wadsworth MP 386.7.
 
Should anyone care to cross the Genesee River bridge and explore what remains of the old PRR connection the mileage would come out quite close to 4 miles.
 
I made the trek back in 2006 and, before that, a few times when the LVRR was still active.  
 
Hope you folks have a great time and that the weather proves favorable.

 
well..the actual junction point, MP 386.7, was west of the bridge..we wouldnt be walking out that far..but we are splitting hairs now! Its "about a three mile walk" out and back..But still, if that is simply too far, we will just have to drop it from the tour..(there is no other good way to get to the bridge..there is no good access from Scottsville Road, its all private property.)
 
You cant easily walk out to the actually PRR junction point anyway..its rough undeveloped land..I have never bothered to walk beyond the Greenway trail (PRR).. I doubt the actual junction is visable today anwyay, not much to see there (plus its private property)..So I was thinking just a walk to the bridge and the Greenway (PRR), to the big LV bridge abutments, but not beyond that..
(thats where my 1.5 miles measurement came from!
 
but..the point is probably moot anyway..sounds like some people arent interested in the walk..thats fine!   We should do what "the group" wants to do..
 
Scot
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 10th, 2011, 8:49am
I think the walk to the bridge would be worth it- 1.5 miles each way isn't that far, especially to see something interesting like the bridge. I would not assume that everyone doesn't want to do it.
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Mar 10th, 2011, 9:15am
Unless it is pouring rain it is worth the walk,,, the approach and bridge itself are huge.  The abutments for the bridge over the PRR are right on the other side. it will take at least an hour or more to do this.
 
I will organize a followup bike trip on the LV trail for when the weather gets better.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 10th, 2011, 10:25am
on Mar 10th, 2011, 8:49am, Kendaia1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I think the walk to the bridge would be worth it- 1.5 miles each way isn't that far, especially to see something interesting like the bridge. I would not assume that everyone doesn't want to do it.

 
I havent assumed "everyone doesnt want to do it".  
I know some people will want to..
the issue that not everyone wants to do it!
its not 100% unanamious that everyone wants to do it..
 
and some people might not be physically able to do it..that needs to be considered too..(although I dont know if that is the case here)..we dont want anyone to feel left out though, if they arent up to a 3 or 4 mile hike!
that can be a long way..
 
a few options:
If everyone on the tour *does* want to do the walk to the Genesee bridge, then no problem! but if there is a difference of opinion, we could maybe do seperate groups for that leg of the tour..
One group to the Genesee bridge, and a second to the Fishers bridge,
(which is a much shorter walk) then the whole group can rendezvous again at the RGVRRM.
 
just a thought..although maybe that is needlessly complicated..
the whole itenary isnt carved in stone yet either!  
John is working on asking the folks at the LVRR Historical Society if they will be open that day..so options are still open..
 
actually, we have too much to fit into one day!  
we cant do it all..some things are going to have to be cut.
 
keep the suggestions coming!  
We still have 2 weeks to hash it out..
 
Scot
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Mar 10th, 2011, 10:30am
Scot:
 
You are correct, the PRR/LVRR junction point has totally been erased from the face of the earth by gravel mining. However, by walking north on the old PRR one will come to the location of the switch where the ramp up to the LVRR left the PRR. A short portion of this ramp still exisits but terminates at the edge of the gravel pit.
 
Did not mean to nitpick but I wanted to let anyone concerned know that it was quite a walk back into the bridge location from East River Road and that the trek would eat up a fair amount of time.
 
Photo shows how the area appeared prior to the development of the rail trail. View to the west from the Genesee River trestle east abutment, taken on 06 October 1992.
Posted by: Henry Posted on: Mar 10th, 2011, 12:01pm
Tammy managed to break a toe last week so I don't know if she'll be up to that kind of walking distance. I'd like to do it, but if she can't and doesn't want to wait at the parking area, I'll have to stay with her.  
 
Question, is Ryder Hill Road public access? While it looks a little rough, it is only a tad over a half mile to the bridge from there. If it isn't public, maybe we could get permission to use it. That would save a bunch of time.
 
Henry
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Mar 10th, 2011, 12:42pm
Interesting,, Ryder Hill goes all the way down to where the LAL goes under the LV.  Pretty sure it is on State property, not sure about public access.  
 
Also not sure about vehicle required to traverse. Time for recon.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Mar 10th, 2011, 12:55pm
Love your pictures!! Please post more of the area!on Mar 10th, 2011, 10:30am, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Scot:
 
You are correct, the PRR/LVRR junction point has totally been erased from the face of the earth by gravel mining. However, by walking north on the old PRR one will come to the location of the switch where the ramp up to the LVRR left the PRR. A short portion of this ramp still exisits but terminates at the edge of the gravel pit.
 
Did not mean to nitpick but I wanted to let anyone concerned know that it was quite a walk back into the bridge location from East River Road and that the trek would eat up a fair amount of time.
 
Photo shows how the area appeared prior to the development of the rail trail. View to the west from the Genesee River trestle east abutment, taken on 06 October 1992.

Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Mar 10th, 2011, 2:37pm
One suggestion: break out the Gen River bridge for another meetup, possibly on bikes or just make it the main focus of a separate trip.  Besides the Lehigh, south of the PRR junction the NYC Peanut and Erie crossed the Pennsy and there are bridge abutments to see.
 
I've ridden my bike over there quite a bit and it's not a quick jaunt, so walking in would eat up a lot of time in my opinion.  And if it was just in and out to the Lehigh bridge, you'd miss the other two unless you come up from the South.
 
My first experience with that area was coming in from the East, which really showed the magnitude of the bridge.  You hit the one abutment then the ground drops, and many of the concrete "feet" are scattered around.  By the time you reach what's left of the bridge, it is amazing how high and how long the structure must've been.  (Still looking for a good picture- have only seen sections at a time.)
 
The Manchester roundhouse would definitely be something for folks coming from out of town to see, if they were making one trip only- as Scot pointed out who knows how long it'll be there.  It looked pretty rough last month when I visited.
 
Ken
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 10th, 2011, 5:32pm
Ken,
thats a good idea!
(a future bicycling trip to the Genesee River bridge, and the locations of the other bridges) There are some other interesting things to see up and down the greenway trail too..Canal remnants and such.
 
Scot
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Mar 10th, 2011, 5:50pm
One last bit of input:
 
Ryder Hill Road at one time lead across School of Industry  (NYS) property to one of the school dairy farms which was situated just south of the LVRR trestle. As late as the late 1970s it was not posted and was blacktop to just short of the farm. This was after the state closed the school but prior to the establishment of the prison/rehab facility or whatever is fenced in just north of the LV Trail. I do not believe that the public can access this road at present but could well be wrong.
 
Should the bridge over the Auburn Road be included in your tour keep in mind that the R&E R Rwy bridge abutments are east of the bridge about a half mile.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 10th, 2011, 8:56pm
on Mar 10th, 2011, 2:37pm, ken_g wrote:       (Click here for original message)
One suggestion: break out the Gen River bridge for another meetup, possibly on bikes or just make it the main focus of a separate trip.  Besides the Lehigh, south of the PRR junction the NYC Peanut and Erie crossed the Pennsy and there are bridge abutments to see.
 
I've ridden my bike over there quite a bit and it's not a quick jaunt, so walking in would eat up a lot of time in my opinion.  And if it was just in and out to the Lehigh bridge, you'd miss the other two unless you come up from the South.
 
My first experience with that area was coming in from the East, which really showed the magnitude of the bridge.  You hit the one abutment then the ground drops, and many of the concrete "feet" are scattered around.  By the time you reach what's left of the bridge, it is amazing how high and how long the structure must've been.  (Still looking for a good picture- have only seen sections at a time.)
 
The Manchester roundhouse would definitely be something for folks coming from out of town to see, if they were making one trip only- as Scot pointed out who knows how long it'll be there.  It looked pretty rough last month when I visited.
 
Ken

 
Hey Ken, welcome aboard and thanks for the input. You are certainly giving us something to think about! Since you don't have a gig that weekend, you should join us on the 2nd.  
 
 
P.S. To the rest of you- I used to roadie for Ken's band 10 years ago.  
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Mar 12th, 2011, 6:15pm
OK, how is this?
 
I bumped in to Scot L and Matt L at the train show today. Here is a high level plan.  
 
1. Meet in Machester at 10:00 to see roundhouse area. We agreed that it would not be too wise to try to go inside. There is a possibility of a tour of the LVRRHS museum in shortsville. Will work on that.
 
2. Next travel to Rochester Junction. I understand there is parking and minmal walking. This wis on the way west.
 
3. Next, visit RGVRRM and see 211, and what ever else you feel like looking at. No charge for visit.
 
4. Possible visit to Genesee River bridge for those that feel like walking. Still want to do recon on access.
 
Matt offered to collect real emails and cell numbers, so maybe folks could PM him?
 
John S
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Mar 12th, 2011, 8:55pm
I went in the round house the other day, it's not like the roof is falling in, although there is really not much to see. There are no tracks or pits. Also the Bridge over the Auburn line is on the way to Rochester Junction. If anyone would like, I know the back roads and we could meet at the roundhouse, which is right down the road(Kind of) from me and we could go from there. If a few people wanted to leave their trucks or cars at my house, you could ride with me. Just a thought!
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Mar 12th, 2011, 8:59pm
Also, i will be at the train show tomorrow if anyone is going. I will have on my black Lehigh Valley jacket and I have red hair and glasses.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 13th, 2011, 9:02pm
on Mar 12th, 2011, 6:15pm, rgvrr wrote:       (Click here for original message)
OK, how is this?
 
I bumped in to Scot L and Matt L at the train show today. Here is a high level plan.  
 
1. Meet in Machester at 10:00 to see roundhouse area. We agreed that it would not be too wise to try to go inside. There is a possibility of a tour of the LVRRHS museum in shortsville. Will work on that.
 
2. Next travel to Rochester Junction. I understand there is parking and minmal walking. This wis on the way west.
 
3. Next, visit RGVRRM and see 211, and what ever else you feel like looking at. No charge for visit.
 
4. Possible visit to Genesee River bridge for those that feel like walking. Still want to do recon on access.
 
Matt offered to collect real emails and cell numbers, so maybe folks could PM him?
 
John S

 
John, it was a pleasure to meet you yesterday. I will be glad to collect the information for the meet-up. Those who are interested should please PM me or send an E-mail to: mistersnoozer@yahoo.com
 
We want the information so we coordinate activities (especially with this being our first meet-up) and help anyone who gets lost.
 
Unless anyone has serious objections, I think John has the winning itinerary for our trip. It really does make the most sense to visit Manchester/Shortsville first and then head back to the Mendon-Rush area. I've never done anything quite like this before. Any and all input is appreciated.  
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Mar 14th, 2011, 7:28am
Wish I met some of you at the train show yesterday, I was there and bought some LV pictures and a book. Had a Black LV jacket on.
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Mar 17th, 2011, 9:35pm
Maybe in a year or two, you guys ought to look in on the Tiger Valley, over near Oaks Corners, south of Phelps.  You'd run into a couple other Lehigh fans, especially when the picture show starts.
 
http://www.crookedlakereview.com/articles/136_167/140summer2006/140palmer3.html
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 20th, 2011, 8:44pm
on Mar 13th, 2011, 9:02pm, Matthew_L wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
John, it was a pleasure to meet you yesterday. I will be glad to collect the information for the meet-up. Those who are interested should please PM me or send an E-mail to: mistersnoozer@yahoo.com
 
We want the information so we coordinate activities (especially with this being our first meet-up) and help anyone who gets lost.
 
Unless anyone has serious objections, I think John has the winning itinerary for our trip. It really does make the most sense to visit Manchester/Shortsville first and then head back to the Mendon-Rush area. I've never done anything quite like this before. Any and all input is appreciated.  

 
I have received the contact information for 4 individuals so far. If you plan to attend, please send me your information for the reasons stated earlier.  
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2011, 8:32pm
Just wanted to throw in this about the trail from East River Rd to the Greenway Trail. When I went, it was one of those days when I started out thinking maybe I should have brought a sweater in addition to my jacket to as the sun rose higher in the sky, why didn't I just wear a T-shirt? Even the snakes came out to bask on the warm trail!  
Anyways, since I don't know how often, well, etc. the trails are maintained, if it was anything like back then, expect to find lots of standing water, some muddy spots along the way as of now we do have quite a bit of snow on the ground. Nothing difficult to walk around, just need to be aware of it.
The estimate in previous posting for distance means it's about 1 1/2 to 2 hour walk.  Took me longer to just take pictures and looking at the craftmanship of the piers, having a conversation with a couple of bicyclist who stopped to talk to me and so on.
Hopefully you'll enjoy the pictures (forgot I still had these up..yay!) and the snake pictures are only because that one snake actually did not take off upon my approach but stopped to pose!  
 
https://picasaweb.google.com/alsorailfan/LeighValleyTrail42907
 
Chris
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Mar 24th, 2011, 8:51am
So, we are a little over a week away. Hopefully the weather will improve by then.
 
Has everyone checked in with Matt?
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 24th, 2011, 9:24pm
Good news, John. We have 8 attendees who have contacted me. I think we're off to a good start.    
 
Of course, it's not too late to join us. I'll take contact information until the night of Friday 4/1/2011.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 26th, 2011, 11:29am
One week to go!  
 
We are going to start the tour at the Manchester roundhouse:
 
http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/?org=aj#/2917bhglko0t77o4
 
If you are using GPS, (or directions on google maps or Bing maps)
use the address:
 
71 Merrick Circle, Manchester, NY 14504
 
(thats actually the address of an old bar, directly across the street from the Roundhouse. if you get to that address, you cant miss the roundhouse!)
 
There is no "official" parking, I have always just pulled off to the side of the road on the side of Merric Circle, near the east side of the Roundhouse.
Plan is to meet there at 10AM on Saturday, April 2.
 
please note we will NOT be able to go inside the roundhouse! its too dangerous, not to mention illegal..so that wont be happening.
but we can get "up close and personal" with the outside of the building, plenty of opportunities for good photos..
 
I will bring along maps of the various stops, and can pass them out to everyone.
 
Unfortunately the weather forecast is not looking so great right now..
forecasts for April 2nd are saying 40 degrees, rain and snow.  
but weather forecasts are often not very accurate that far out..a lot can change in a week. it might not be that bad..by Wednesday and Thursday we should have a much better outlook on the weather, and can plan accordingly then..
 
Scot
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 26th, 2011, 5:56pm
on Mar 26th, 2011, 11:29am, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
One week to go!  
 
We are going to start the tour at the Manchester roundhouse:
 
http://www.bing.com/maps/explore/?org=aj#/2917bhglko0t77o4
 
If you are using GPS, (or directions on google maps or Bing maps)
use the address:
 
71 Merrick Circle, Manchester, NY 14504
 
(thats actually the address of an old bar, directly across the street from the Roundhouse. if you get to that address, you cant miss the roundhouse!)
 
There is no "official" parking, I have always just pulled off to the side of the road on the side of Merric Circle, near the east side of the Roundhouse.
Plan is to meet there at 10AM on Saturday, April 2.
 
please note we will NOT be able to go inside the roundhouse! its too dangerous, not to mention illegal..so that wont be happening.
but we can get "up close and personal" with the outside of the building, plenty of opportunities for good photos..
 
I will bring along maps of the various stops, and can pass them out to everyone.
 
Unfortunately the weather forecast is not looking so great right now..
forecasts for April 2nd are saying 40 degrees, rain and snow.  
but weather forecasts are often not very accurate that far out..a lot can change in a week. it might not be that bad..by Wednesday and Thursday we should have a much better outlook on the weather, and can plan accordingly then..
 
Scot

 
Thanks, Scot. Nicely done!  
 
I agree with you about the weather forecast- it could change between now and next Saturday. Even if it is accurate, it's hard to predict when the precip will arrive on the 2nd. Maybe... with a little luck  ... it won't arrive till later in the day.  
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 31st, 2011, 7:51am
Weather update for Saturday..
Still not looking like a beautiful day, but the forecasts have been somewhat improving through the week..
 
the Weather channel forecast has not changed all week:
http://www.weather.com/weather/5-day/Manchester+NY+USNY0857
But they arent local, and I think their forecasts are somewhat generic..
 
But the local Rochester forecasts are updated much more often, and they have been showing a (somewhat) improving Saturday:
 
Channel 8 Rochester:
http://rochesterhomepage.net/weather/weather
High 43, partly sunny, some chance of rain or snow.
 
Channel 10 Rochester:
http://www.whec.com/weather/
"Saturday Blustery and cold with flurries.  High 38."
 
Channel 13 Rochester:
http://rochesterhomepage.net/weather/weather
High 43, "precipation tapering" 25% chance of precipation.
 
Rochester D&C:
http://tinyurl.com/4mjfqfn
High 45  
Mostly cloudy, showers around; windy for the morning.  
Mostly cloudy, showers around; windy in the afternoon.  
Partly cloudy and breezy in the evening.  
 
 
So, its definately a mixed forecast..
not going to be a fabulous day, weather wise, but possibly not a washout either..
thoughts?
thumbs up? thumbs down?
 
Scot
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Mar 31st, 2011, 8:17am
They said it won't snow all day. Just let me know before I venture out!
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Mar 31st, 2011, 9:30am
I am still in, may be tough to reschedule.  
 
I am packing food etc, but in case anyone is wondering, there is McDonalds right on 96 in Manchester for the trip between roundhouse and junction. Also one near 332 in Farmington, not sure whats in Victor.
 
Also, there is a Pizza shop in the old LV depot in Rush, which is on the way from the Junction to the museum.
 
And. lots of trees.....
 
JS
 
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 31st, 2011, 10:19am
oh yeah..I forgot to specifically mention in my "weather post" above:
if we are gathering votes, I also vote "yes, lets do it"..
weather doesnt look like a deal breaker to me..
 
Scot
 
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 31st, 2011, 1:47pm
Have Fun, I can't make it... Matt knows my deal.. I'm gonna have to do it another time I guess... I was REALLY looking forward to the personal tour of the museum and LV211 tho, darn it all....
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 31st, 2011, 7:51pm
on Mar 31st, 2011, 10:19am, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
oh yeah..I forgot to specifically mention in my "weather post" above:
if we are gathering votes, I also vote "yes, lets do it"..
weather doesnt look like a deal breaker to me..
 
Scot
 

 
Count me in. The precip won't last all day... so the weather is far from a blizzard or a washout. If I can survive 15 degrees and biting cold winds in Buffalo last week, Saturday will be fine.  
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 31st, 2011, 10:09pm
Looks like it is on then!  
see you all 10AM at the Manchester roundhouse!
 
Scot
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 31st, 2011, 11:59pm
Change of plans- I was able to take care of business today and free up my Saturday, so I will see you in Manchester!  Looking forward to meeting everyone
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Apr 1st, 2011, 6:55am
Got the day off so I'm in.  This am weather on Ch. 13 now calls for afternoon showers (maybe) which will be good timing as we should be at Industry then! Am still wearing my 'semi-winter' gear though in case of wind and that's the thin thermals.  
 
Chris
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 1st, 2011, 10:18am
Just a thought, anyone who has any pictures of the railroad from when it ran of the places we are going, if anyone has copies they want to sell, bring them along. I will buy them if I don't have them already!
Posted by: Henry Posted on: Apr 1st, 2011, 5:17pm
I may not be able to make it. Tammy had surgery this week, but her recovery hasn't been as quick as expected. I won't know for sure until tomorrow morning, but I'll post here before 8 am if I am not going to be able to make it.
 
I have all my gear ready to go, camera batteries charged, GPS devices charged, DeLorme maps, scanner, etc. I just need to gas up the Trailblazer. If I can go...
 
Henry
Posted by: BlackDiamondRR Posted on: Apr 1st, 2011, 5:36pm
It also looks like I won't be able to make the trek either, bummer! I was hoping for nicer weather by now so I could ride the bike. I am going next Saturday to Phelps to the 35th annual LV night at Guil Mack's. A 100  mile one way ride but taking the car and 1 guest so we'll split the gas cost.
   You guys have fun, post some pics.
 Bud
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 1st, 2011, 6:37pm
Weather was just updated here to 50's and partial sun, rain late in the day/evening according to channel 10 news
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 1st, 2011, 8:44pm
on Mar 31st, 2011, 11:59pm, Kendaia1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Change of plans- I was able to take care of business today and free up my Saturday, so I will see you in Manchester!  Looking forward to meeting everyone

 
Please E-mail me your cell phone # (if you haven't done so already), so we can make sure nobody gets lost!  
 
The forecast is indeed looking (mostly) favorable for tomorrow.
 
Channel 13 is forecasting a high of 46 degrees. The morning will be partly cloudy, with increasing clouds and a 25% chance of a shower for the afternoon.  
 
Channel 8 isn't including rain in the forecast. They're forecasting partly cloudy skies and a high in the mid 40s.  
 
Either way, it will be a fun day. I look forward to seeing everyone.
Posted by: Henry Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2011, 6:58am
I need to stay with Tammy today. I hope you all have a great time! I want a full report and pictures!
 
Henry
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2011, 5:03pm
We all had a great time today, it was real nice meeting everyone. Here is a picture of the gang in front of 211.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2011, 5:32pm
Great picture Mark!  
yes, it was a lot of fun!
nice to meet everyone in person for a change!
(after years of on-line chatting only, for most of us.)
 
I will have pics posted soon!  
Scot
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2011, 8:04pm
Thanks Scott, great meeting you and everyone else. It's nice meeting people that love the same stuff. Let me know when you post your pictures and don't forget to friend me on facebook. Keep in touch if you come across any LV stuff. Take care.
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2011, 6:16pm
Great outing! Thanks Matt for organizing this. Scot for the maps. Sorry I didn't get your name  who brought the pictures of before looks. John and Joe for the tour at RGVRR  Museum.  And to all of you making sure I didn't get too 'sidetracked'!
 
Use the thumbnail to scan through the pictures. Was going to have two album but Picassa gave me lots of problems today (lost all pictures, then it redownloaded it all, did self editing which I had to undo, etc.).  One of highlights and one of details... Sorry about that!
 
https://picasaweb.google.com/alsorailfan/4211LVRochesterMeetUp
 
Also if I made any errors in my captioning, let me know! Caught myself reversing directions a few times for example.
 
Hopefully we can do something like this again somewhere!
 
Enjoy!
 
Chris
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2011, 7:17pm
here are some related photos etc:
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jnos363/sets/72157623597966345/ Lots of other local stuff there too.
 
Here is the Lehigh Valley section I have been updating too:
http://www.wnyrails.org/railroads/lv/lv_home.htm
 
Nice meeting everyone.
 
John Stewart
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2011, 7:34pm
on Apr 3rd, 2011, 6:16pm, alsorailfan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Great outing! Thanks Matt for organizing this. Scot for the maps. Sorry I didn't get your name  who brought the pictures of before looks. John and Joe for the tour at RGVRR  Museum.  And to all of you making sure I didn't get too 'sidetracked'!

 
You're welcome! The gent who brought those cool pics is my friend Ken Gardner, who has posted here as ken_g. Mark has also known him a while.
 
A special thank you goes out to Scot, John and Joe for all they did in making our first meet-up a success. It was very much a team effort and we worked well together. To all who came, it was nice to see you. I look forward to our next meet-up.    
 
My pics will be coming later this week. The LV-related stuff will be in this thread and the non-LV stuff will be posted wherever appropriate.  
 
Speaking of our next meet-up, who would like to go out see Tifft and other LV-related locations in Buffalo?
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2011, 8:23pm
Chris, it was great meeting you too! Please don't forget to e-mail me so I can send you some LV pictures and some of my train(The Edwards Train) Hope to see you again soon! Mark          on Apr 3rd, 2011, 6:16pm, alsorailfan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Great outing! Thanks Matt for organizing this. Scot for the maps. Sorry I didn't get your name  who brought the pictures of before looks. John and Joe for the tour at RGVRR  Museum.  And to all of you making sure I didn't get too 'sidetracked'!
 
Use the thumbnail to scan through the pictures. Was going to have two album but Picassa gave me lots of problems today (lost all pictures, then it redownloaded it all, did self editing which I had to undo, etc.).  One of highlights and one of details... Sorry about that!
 
https://picasaweb.google.com/alsorailfan/4211LVRochesterMeetUp
 
Also if I made any errors in my captioning, let me know! Caught myself reversing directions a few times for example.
 
Hopefully we can do something like this again somewhere!
 
Enjoy!
 
Chris

Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2011, 8:26pm
John, Real nice meeting you. Don't forget to either friend me on Facebook or e-mail me so you can see my LV pictures. Hope to see you again soon!on Apr 3rd, 2011, 7:17pm, rgvrr wrote:       (Click here for original message)
here are some related photos etc:
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jnos363/sets/72157623597966345/ Lots of other local stuff there too.
 
Here is the Lehigh Valley section I have been updating too:
http://www.wnyrails.org/railroads/lv/lv_home.htm
 
Nice meeting everyone.
 
John Stewart

Posted by: Henry Posted on: Apr 4th, 2011, 11:07am
I'm glad you guys had a good time, I wish I had been able to make it.
 
on Apr 3rd, 2011, 7:34pm, Matthew_L wrote:       (Click here for original message)

8<---
 
Speaking of our next meet-up, who would like to go out see Tifft and other LV-related locations in Buffalo?

 
I'm up for it, anytime, even on short notice!
 
Henry
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 4th, 2011, 1:47pm
It was great to meet all you guys, and spend time with people who share the same interests. Definitely was a good day! BTW I think they have done a GREAT  job with the Lehigh Valley Trail, and the site of Rochester Junction was Very Cool, I just wish I could have seen it back in the day. The 211 was also very cool... Have to make a trip back sometime this summer to take a ride!
 
Bob
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 4th, 2011, 4:32pm
Bob, it was great meeting you as well. Please don't forget to either friend me on facebook, or shoot me an e-mail. I have got tons of pictures of what it all looked like, some I'm sure you have seen, and some maybe not!  Markon Apr 4th, 2011, 1:47pm, Kendaia1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
It was great to meet all you guys, and spend time with people who share the same interests. Definitely was a good day! BTW I think they have done a GREAT  job with the Lehigh Valley Trail, and the site of Rochester Junction was Very Cool, I just wish I could have seen it back in the day. The 211 was also very cool... Have to make a trip back sometime this summer to take a ride!
 
Bob

Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:12pm
Henry wanted to see pictures from our meet-up... and I shall share some of mine tonight. The day began in Manchester and I found an old relic before I even got to the former LV yard! This is a former LV caboose wearing the colors of its 2nd owner, Conrail.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:14pm
The caboose was just a mile or two from the old LV yard in Manchester. Although the yarfd isn't the major classification facility it was back in the LV's heyday, it is still used by the Finger Lakes Railway (Ontario Central RR).  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:16pm
The old pump house still stands, without a tank or anything to pump.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Manchester, NY. The tank stood on the concrete next to the pump house.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:17pm
The old LV round house still stands. It is in very rough shape and we stayed outside of it.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Manchester, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:19pm
The turntable is still present. Part of the pit is filled in and the whole thing is hard to see through a thicket of tall brush.
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Manchester, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:21pm
This old truck (sitting next to the round house) was a cool surprise for me. The grill looks homemade- maybe it was added to protect the truck from deer?  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Manchester, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:25pm
This building appeared to be a repair shop. Like the round house, I stayed outside for safety's sake.
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Manchester, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:27pm
Two ancient LV boxcars were sitting on an isolated piece of track next to the yard.
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Manchester, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:28pm
A 3rd LV boxcar sat a short distance away from the other two.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Manchester, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:35pm
After we completed our tour of Manchester, the entire gang picked up stakes and headed west to Fishers. This trail is the former Lehigh Valley mainline, looking westward.
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:39pm
We walked out to where the LV main used to pass over the NYC Auburn Road. This view is looking down from the Lehigh Valley Trail to the Auburn Trail.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Fishers, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:42pm
Now we are looking eastward at the bridge built by the LV to cross over the NYC.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Fishers, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:45pm
Looking down at the Auburn Road from the bridge, I wondered what is what like for LV passengers to see a New York Central train pass under the bridge (or vice versa).  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Fishers, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:51pm
This plaque on the Auburn Trail commemorates a major derailment on the LV at the bridge back in 1960. (It was also discussed in another thread.) The NYC tracks under the bridge had been removed shortly before the derailment.
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Fishers, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 7:53pm
When I resume this thread, I'll share photos of the stops we made in Mendon and Rush.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 9:19pm
on Apr 13th, 2011, 7:12pm, Matthew_L wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Henry wanted to see pictures from our meet-up... and I shall share some of mine tonight. The day began in Manchester and I found an old relic before I even got to the former LV yard! This is a former LV caboose wearing the colors of its 2nd owner, Conrail.  
 
http://i857.photobucket.com/albums/ab139/Erielackawanna/April%202011/DSC00192.jpg
 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011.  
 

 
Matt,
nice pics!  
thanks for posting..
 
just for the record, thats the PRR caboose!
the LV caboose is the one right behind it, still in very worn and rusted CR blue.
Chris posted pics of both cabesses here:
 
https://picasaweb.google.com/alsorailfan/4211LVRochesterMeetUp#
 
The LV caboose is number 95100, built in Sayre in 1941.
 
The grey PRR cabin car is N-5 class, built 1916-1929.
PRR/PC/CR 19101 (I believe it carried the same number its entire career)
http://crcaboose.railfan.net/classes/N-5.htm
 
Scot
Posted by: Henry Posted on: Apr 13th, 2011, 9:49pm
Thanks for posting the pics Matt! Looking forward to more
 
Henry
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:12pm
Scot- thanks for the correction.  
Henry- you're welcome!  
 
Resuming the series, let's take a look at Mendon. The location was Rochester Junction until the last train rolled through here in the early '80s. Now it's a nicely maintained trail, complete with reminders of the LV past like this one.
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:14pm
Some of the meet-up crew (l-r): Darren, Ken, Scot and John.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY. They are standing on the site of the LV station, which burned down in 1970.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:18pm
This short track will eventually be home to a piece of LV rolling stock... although I'm not quite sure what that will be.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:22pm
Old LV switch stand:
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:23pm
Other side of the switch stand:
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:25pm
Looking east at the old LV mainline:
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY. It was a cool feeling to stand where Yellow Jackets, Snowbirds and various shades of Cornell Red used to roam.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:26pm
This old boxcar door lies next to the trail, rusting away among the tree trunks.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:28pm
Former signal box next to the trail:
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:29pm
This was apparently the base for the water tower at Rochester Junction:
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:31pm
The trail branching off to the right is where the branch to Honeoye Falls and Lima branched off the LV mainline.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:32pm
This is an old bridge abuttment from the old LV branchline:
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY. A new pedestrian bridge was built at this location, years after the rail bridge was removed.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:36pm
Looking from the branchline to the old LV ROW:
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:38pm
We walked down the trail until (a short distance from this spot) we came to the old junction where the two legs of the wye came together.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:40pm
Once we got to the junction, we walked up the other leg of the wye. This was the first bridge we encountered on that leg.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:43pm
This was the second bridge we encountered on the eastern leg of the wye.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:44pm
The scenery along the wye was spectacular, IMO.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:47pm
Scot and Ken crossing the second bridge on the eastern leg of the wye.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY. We saw some signs that the eastern leg of the trail is being worked on- I look forward to seeing it after the work is completed.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:52pm
Now we're looking west after getting back onto the former LV mainline bnear the junction with the eastern leg of the wye. The junction with the Rochester Branch is off in the distance.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:56pm
Further west (on the other side of Plains Road), we came upon this bridge. It look like the 3rd span at left was added after the other two. if anyone has information about this bridge, please let us know!  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 7:58pm
A close look at the span on the left side of the bridge, facing west.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 8:01pm
A close look at the span on the center span of the bridge, facing west.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY. I think the center had track after the other two spans were cleared of rail, but I'm not 100% sure of this.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 8:02pm
A close look at the span on the right side of the bridge, facing west.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 8:03pm
Looking west at the former LV main on the other side of the bridge:
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 8:05pm
After checking out the bridge, we headed back to the parking lot.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY. When I return, I'll wrap up this series with our trip to Rush.  
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 8:46pm
This bridge always had 3 spans as far as I know, all pictures of it,even from way back show it with all 3.on Apr 14th, 2011, 7:56pm, Matthew_L wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Further west (on the other side of Plains Road), we came upon this bridge. It look like the 3rd span at left was added after the other two. if anyone has information about this bridge, please let us know!  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in Mendon, NY.  
 

Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 14th, 2011, 10:54pm
Matthew:
 
Some corrections:
 
"Mendon" is actually Rochester Jct. Mendon is 4.9 miles east of Rochester Jct. via the LVRR.
 
The "switch stand" is a electric switch lock. When a train was so authorized by the dispatcher, a crewman would operate the handle. After what was usually a 5" delay the mechanism would unlock the switch and it could be lined for movement. A "locked" with red background and a "unlocked" with green background would show in the little round window above the handle.
 
FYI:
 
The short section of track at Rochester Jct. was constructed in order to display one of the LVRR boxcars presently located at Manchester. Was informed that the deal to relocate the car fell through.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2011, 6:53am
Was wondering when you were going to show up TB!! Where have you been?
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 15th, 2011, 3:11pm
Just relaxing here on the Front Range enjoying my retirement.
 
The photo is of one of the miniature semaphores once located at the Rochester Jct. crossover. These performed basically the same function as the "locked" and "unlocked" indication in the other electric lock mechanisms.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2011, 3:25pm
That is so cool! This was at Rochester Junction?? Do you have any pictures of it when it was there?? Really wished you had come on the tour, would have been nice to meet you!! Please post more of your pictures from the area!! I beg you!! on Apr 15th, 2011, 3:11pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Just relaxing here on the Front Range enjoying my retirement.
 
The photo is of one of the miniature semaphores once located at the Rochester Jct. crossover. These performed basically the same function as the "locked" and "unlocked" indication in the other electric lock mechanisms.

Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Apr 15th, 2011, 7:40pm
Just got this and on page 8, it looks to be the bridge was just a two track span. Really hard to tell since it's right at the edge of the picture but seems to be just trees to the left.....
 
http://rgvrrm.org/media/semaphore/RGVRRM_Semaphore_201104.pdf
 
Chris
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 15th, 2011, 9:34pm
on Apr 15th, 2011, 7:40pm, alsorailfan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Just got this and on page 8, it looks to be the bridge was just a two track span. Really hard to tell since it's right at the edge of the picture but seems to be just trees to the left.....
 
http://rgvrrm.org/media/semaphore/RGVRRM_Semaphore_201104.pdf
 
Chris

 
Wow... that is an interesting picture. Besides the bridge being just 2 spans, the lack of trees or even the house on Plains Road shows us how much Rochester Junction has changed.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 15th, 2011, 9:46pm
on Apr 14th, 2011, 10:54pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Matthew:
 
Some corrections:
 
"Mendon" is actually Rochester Jct. Mendon is 4.9 miles east of Rochester Jct. via the LVRR.
 
The "switch stand" is a electric switch lock. When a train was so authorized by the dispatcher, a crewman would operate the handle. After what was usually a 5" delay the mechanism would unlock the switch and it could be lined for movement. A "locked" with red background and a "unlocked" with green background would show in the little round window above the handle.
 
FYI:
 
The short section of track at Rochester Jct. was constructed in order to display one of the LVRR boxcars presently located at Manchester. Was informed that the deal to relocate the car fell through.

 
Thanks for the information regarding the switch lock and the failed display at Rochester Junction. As for the notations on my pictures, I use Mendon (and other proper community names) for two reasons:
 
1. The viewer can locate Mendon on a current map. Rochester Junction does not appear on a current map. It's the same reason that I note my CSX pictures from Chili Junction as being taken in Riga, because that is where my feet were actually planted when taking the shot. This makes it easy for the casual railfan to find where I was.  
 
2. Noting the actual location and date serves as a sort of "poor man's copyright" in case somebody tries to claim my photo(s) as his/her own.  
 
Having said that, the location was indeed known to LV employees and patrons as Rochester Junction back in the LV's heyday. As always, I appreciate your input.      
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 16th, 2011, 8:47am
Always thought it was a 3 span bridge, learn something new everyday!! on Apr 15th, 2011, 9:34pm, Matthew_L wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Wow... that is an interesting picture. Besides the bridge being just 2 spans, the lack of trees or even the house on Plains Road shows us how much Rochester Junction has changed.  

Posted by: Henry Posted on: Apr 16th, 2011, 3:09pm
Rochester Jct. and Rochester Junction both come up in google earth as "Rochester Junction, Mendon, NY 14472"
 
Henry
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Apr 16th, 2011, 3:40pm
Can anyone confirm the bridge at Rochester Junction was 2 spans, then later 3?  The third section looks to be of similar construction to the double, so I'm guessing it was not added later.  Did they replace the whole bridge to accommodate the siding?
 
It's too bad it appears so close to the edge of that picture, so it is not definitive proof either way.  I can't find anything online to confirm this.  Interesting!
 
Had a great time with you guys at the meet-up.  Keep me in mind for future adventures- we have tons of railroad archeology in the area.
 
Ken
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 16th, 2011, 4:29pm
on Apr 15th, 2011, 7:40pm, alsorailfan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Just got this and on page 8, it looks to be the bridge was just a two track span. Really hard to tell since it's right at the edge of the picture but seems to be just trees to the left.....
 
http://rgvrrm.org/media/semaphore/RGVRRM_Semaphore_201104.pdf
 
Chris

 
I would say its most likely we are talking about two different bridges..
the bridge in the issue of the RGVRRM "Semaphore" is clearly the original bridge, only 2 spans..and its hard to tell for sure, because the bridge is far away and not very clear, but the top of the bridge doesnt look like the top of the current bridge..
 
and I agree it seems very likely the current bridge was built all as one unit, 3 spans, as it still exists today..
 
I dont have any evidence to back that up yet, but based on that one photo, about 1900, compared to the current bridge, I would say its quite likely they are simply two different bridges..
 
Scot
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 16th, 2011, 5:14pm
Scott, i would agree with you. It looks like a different bridge altogether. The tops see to be straight instead of angled.on Apr 16th, 2011, 4:29pm, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I would say its most likely we are talking about two different bridges..
the bridge in the issue of the RGVRRM "Semaphore" is clearly the original bridge, only 2 spans..and its hard to tell for sure, because the bridge is far away and not very clear, but the top of the bridge doesnt look like the top of the current bridge..
 
and I agree it seems very likely the current bridge was built all as one unit, 3 spans, as it still exists today..
 
I dont have any evidence to back that up yet, but based on that one photo, about 1900, compared to the current bridge, I would say its quite likely they are simply two different bridges..
 
Scot

Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 16th, 2011, 11:03pm
The bridge was no doubt replaced during the massive plant improvement program that was conducted in the early part of the 20th Century.
 
The photo was taken by Rau, probably in the late 1890s.
 
Henry:
 
Rochester Jct. probably comes up on google earth as Mendon, NY account it is located within the township of Mendon, Monroe County.  
 
It remains almost 5 miles from the Village of Mendon.
 
Matthew:
 
Understand your reference to Mendon rather than Rochester Jct.
Posted by: irn750 Posted on: Apr 17th, 2011, 7:14pm
Whats going on with the former LV hack at or near Manchester by the photos the 95100.  Where they just moved there?  Thanks.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 17th, 2011, 7:24pm
on Apr 16th, 2011, 11:03pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Matthew:
 
Understand your reference to Mendon rather than Rochester Jct.

 
Thank you very much for understanding.  
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 17th, 2011, 9:57pm
on Apr 17th, 2011, 7:14pm, irn750 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Whats going on with the former LV hack at or near Manchester by the photos the 95100.  Where they just moved there?  Thanks.  

 
Both have been there since 2005. (LV and PRR caboose)
For several years, both sat side-by-side directly behind the school.
recently, both were moved out into the open..exactly why, no one (except obviously their owner) seems to know..its a bit of a mystery.
 
Rumours back in the day said they were perhaps destined for a railroad display that was going to be built along the "linear park" in Mendon..the Linear Park is a town park, built right along the LV mainline ROW..
But it was never clear if this was true or not..
 
it would appear *something* is in the works, since the cabooses have been moved out into the open..but exactly what is going on is still a mystery.
(among us railfans anyway)
 
Scot
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 17th, 2011, 10:03pm
A post about the cabooses from 2008:
 
Quote:

author=kemay59 date=05/16/08
The two cabooses stored behind the old school building on Route 21 in Manchester are owned by local developer Marty McMillan.  According to local sources, the cabooses were going to be put on display in a mini-mall to be built on the corner of Routes 21 and 96.  Construction plans have been on hold for a couple of years now.

 
source thread:
http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=46614&start=75
 
Scot
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2011, 7:38pm
When I left off the picture series, the visit to Rochester Junction in Mendon was wrapping up, so let's move over to Rush. There were alot of great things to see there... but I'll stick with the LV related items for this thread.  
 
We went to the Rochester & Genesee Valley R Museum, where the "star of the show" was former LV #211, without any doubt.
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in the town of Rush, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2011, 7:40pm
Bob (Kendaia1) and I (at left) just had to climb up on #211!  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in the town of Rush, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2011, 7:44pm
After a while, the museum staff opened up the cab of #211 and we each took turns sitting on the "throne" aka engineer's seat. This is the view from that seat.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in the town of Rush, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2011, 7:45pm
Yours truly sitting on the throne, with my hand on the throttle. OK, one childhood dream has been fulfilled!  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in the town of Rush, NY. Thanks to Scot for taking my picture.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2011, 7:47pm
A look at the engineer's stand:
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in the town of Rush, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2011, 7:49pm
Bob (Kendaia1) sits in the engineer's seat.
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in the town of Rush, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2011, 7:50pm
I think this is the electrical box of #211, but I'm not 100% sure.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in the town of Rush, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2011, 7:52pm
Scot sits in the engineer's seat of #211.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in the town of Rush, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2011, 7:53pm
Ken_g sits in the engineer's seat of #211.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in the town of Rush, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2011, 7:55pm
Mark (mtcg16) sits in the engineer's seat of #211.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in the town of Rush, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2011, 8:02pm
Much of our visit to to the Rochester & Genesee Valley RR Museum was spent viewing non-LV items. Therefore, I will post the pictures of them in appropriate forums as time permits. In the meantime, I leave you with this group taken right before we went our separate ways.
 
On the ground: Chris (alsorailfan), Darren,  me and Ken_g
On #211: Mark (mctg16), John (rgvrrm), Bob (Kendaia1) and Scot.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/2/2011 in the town of Rush, NY. I appreciate all who cam out, with a big THABNK YOU going out to Scott and John for helping me make this event happen. It was a great time.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 26th, 2011, 10:56am
Thanks for the great photo show! Looks like you all had a blast.......would like to make the next one! And it's good to put some faces to the names, too!
 
Thanks a bunch!
Charlie
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: May 12th, 2011, 8:31am
See page 4:
 
http://www.rgvrrm.org/media/semaphore/RGVRRM_Semaphore_201105.pdf
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: May 12th, 2011, 9:08am
Cool stuff! We made the newsletter, love it!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: May 12th, 2011, 8:47pm
Great article- thanks for mentioning us!
 
One minor correction: Conrail did not remove most of the Lehigh Valley in NY during 1981. That was actually done by the PC estate (which owned virtually all of LV's stock) circa 1978.
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: May 12th, 2011, 10:55pm
Correction:
 
The Lehigh Valley Railroad Company Estate, Robert C. Haldeman, Trustee oversaw the removal of former Lehigh Valley Railroad Company track that was not conveyed to ConRail.
 
This work was accomplished by contractors hired by the estate.
 
The track to include all rail, hardware and ties was removed by A&K Track Materials.  
 
This work actually began in late 1976, not in 1978. On 06 December 1976 I photographed A&K removing old No. 2 track between Mendon and Quaker Int. The work of removing the LVRR track in upstate NY did continue through 1978, however.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: May 13th, 2011, 9:08am
please post the pictures if you get a chance TB...Thanks!
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: May 13th, 2011, 2:38pm
Per request:
 
A&K Track materials Pettibone crane w/gon at Quaker Int. on 06 December 1976.
 
My photo notes mention that A&K was tearing up old MT 2 between Mendon and Rochester Jct. at the time.
 
This was probably the last rail equipment to ever operate on this segment of the former Lehigh Valley Railroad.
 
Previous photo notes mention ConRail train EX-1 spotting gons for loading by A&K at Rochester Jct. on 30 November 1976.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: May 13th, 2011, 3:25pm
Where is the previous photo of the gon's being loaded at Rochester Junction? Also, this photo is faceing west correct?on May 13th, 2011, 2:38pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Per request:
 
A&K Track materials Pettibone crane w/gon at Quaker Int. on 06 December 1976.
 
My photo notes mention that A&K was tearing up old MT 2 between Mendon and Rochester Jct. at the time.
 
This was probably the last rail equipment to ever operate on this segment of the former Lehigh Valley Railroad.
 
Previous photo notes mention ConRail train EX-1 spotting gons for loading by A&K at Rochester Jct. on 30 November 1976.

Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: May 13th, 2011, 4:58pm
Hey TB, do you have any pictures of the tracks going west, under the bridge on clover street just before Rochester Junction? Also any pictures of the other part of the wye at rochester junction?
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: May 13th, 2011, 7:14pm
Yes, view at Quaker Int. is to the west.
 
I did not post the 30 Nov. 1976 photo but referred to it as reference that the work of removing the LVRR rail had begun by that date.
 
Never photographed either leg of the wye at Rochester Jct. for the simple fact there was too much brush for a proper photo location.
 
Never took any photos to the west from track level at the Clover St. overpass.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: May 13th, 2011, 8:14pm
OK, Thanks. I really wish i had a Camera when I was younger Keep posting any you have from this area when you have time, I really appreciate it!! Thanks TB!!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: May 13th, 2011, 9:36pm
on May 12th, 2011, 10:55pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Correction:
 
The Lehigh Valley Railroad Company Estate, Robert C. Haldeman, Trustee oversaw the removal of former Lehigh Valley Railroad Company track that was not conveyed to ConRail.
 
This work was accomplished by contractors hired by the estate.
 
The track to include all rail, hardware and ties was removed by A&K Track Materials.  
 
This work actually began in late 1976, not in 1978. On 06 December 1976 I photographed A&K removing old No. 2 track between Mendon and Quaker Int. The work of removing the LVRR track in upstate NY did continue through 1978, however.  

 
Thanks for the information. As always, you are a wealth of knowledge.  
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: May 14th, 2011, 6:37am
Thanks for the corrections! And cool photo! (What or where is Quaker Int.?)  
 
Chris
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: May 14th, 2011, 8:34am
Quaker interlocking was just east of Rochester Junction, before Quaker meeting house road.on May 14th, 2011, 6:37am, alsorailfan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Thanks for the corrections! And cool photo! (What or where is Quaker Int.?)  
 
Chris

Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: May 14th, 2011, 11:22am
Correct.
 
Quaker Int. was the east end of a passing siding the west end of which was Rush Int. located in the village of Rush just east of NY Rt. 15A.  
 
This was established when CTC went into effect between Rush and Manchester at 10:01 on 21 March 1972.
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: May 15th, 2011, 7:25am
A bit off topic but for those of you who want to hear/see LV211 in action and maybe get a cab ride: (from the RGVRRM emailing)
 
We've decided to use LV211 and an ESE coach for opening day tomorrow.
I plan on arriving early to vacuum out the coach and wipe down the
seats.  I can use some help!  I should be at the museum by 9am.
 
We are anticipating a large crowd tomorrow.  We are one of the D&C's
top ten things to do in Rochester this weekend.  We were also featured
by the "Getaway Guy".  Of course, there is the WXXI Dinosaur Train
event going on as well.  I think we will see good attendance, despite
the weather.
 
We hope to see you there!
 
Chris
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: May 15th, 2011, 7:51am
Chris, I wish I could be there, was planning on it, but I got into a car accident and smashed up my truck yesterday. Hope to see you soon!! Good luck today and have fun.Markon May 15th, 2011, 7:25am, alsorailfan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
A bit off topic but for those of you who want to hear/see LV211 in action and maybe get a cab ride: (from the RGVRRM emailing)
 
We've decided to use LV211 and an ESE coach for opening day tomorrow.
I plan on arriving early to vacuum out the coach and wipe down the
seats.  I can use some help!  I should be at the museum by 9am.
 
We are anticipating a large crowd tomorrow.  We are one of the D&C's
top ten things to do in Rochester this weekend.  We were also featured
by the "Getaway Guy".  Of course, there is the WXXI Dinosaur Train
event going on as well.  I think we will see good attendance, despite
the weather.
 
We hope to see you there!
 
Chris

Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: May 15th, 2011, 4:46pm
on May 15th, 2011, 7:25am, alsorailfan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
A bit off topic but for those of you who want to hear/see LV211 in action and maybe get a cab ride: (from the RGVRRM emailing)
 
We've decided to use LV211 and an ESE coach for opening day tomorrow.
I plan on arriving early to vacuum out the coach and wipe down the
seats.  I can use some help!  I should be at the museum by 9am.
 
We are anticipating a large crowd tomorrow.  We are one of the D&C's
top ten things to do in Rochester this weekend.  We were also featured
by the "Getaway Guy".  Of course, there is the WXXI Dinosaur Train
event going on as well.  I think we will see good attendance, despite
the weather.
 
We hope to see you there!
 
Chris

 
I wish I could be there tomorrow, but I must work.  
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Jul 10th, 2011, 8:33am
We are having an open house summer meeting at teh R&GVRR Museum on Thursday July 21 from about 6-9 PM. Located on Rt 251 in Rush
 
Not sure if 211 will be running, but something will. Please stop out.
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Oct 12th, 2011, 10:54am
Hey guys, hope all is well!
 
Happened to be in the area of Roch Junction the other day and noticed some activity at the wye.  Much to my surprise both legs were cleared and widened, as well as the ROW quite a ways up the hill.
 
Got excited when I heard heavy equipment, hoping they were working around the private property that cuts off the trail, but found they were just making a connection to Clover.
 
Both of the bridges on the East section of the wye were exposed and I was able to climb down and walk under one.  (the other still had water underneath)
 
Quite a bit of improvement over last spring- wonder if the plan is to apply crushed stone like on the mainline.
 
Ken
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Oct 12th, 2011, 5:12pm
Cool, we will have to do another meet up in the spring!!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Oct 12th, 2011, 8:41pm
on Oct 12th, 2011, 5:12pm, mtcg16 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Cool, we will have to do another meet up in the spring!!

 
Agreed. Maybe we can work westward from Rochester Junction next year.  
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Feb 1st, 2012, 8:22pm
Stopped in to Rochester Junction again... wow, we might've had our meet-up a year too early: Not only is the wye all done (crushed stone trail, bridges refurbished) but there is now a LV box car on that section of tracks!!!
 
Anyone know where it's from?  Manchester?
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 1st, 2012, 8:27pm
Ken- that's good news! Maybe we should revisit Rochester Junction this spring. My schedule is a little busier than last year but I think we could have the second annual meet-up in April, if anyone is interested.
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Feb 1st, 2012, 10:08pm
Information received related that the car presently at RJ was to be moved on 23 January from Manchester.
 
Glad to know that it made the trip.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Feb 2nd, 2012, 6:48am
I'm in, just let me know when!
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Feb 2nd, 2012, 5:24pm
I see no issues in the way, so I would like to go this year, too!
 
Charlie
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2012, 6:50am
Cool TB, it would be great to meet you!
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2012, 5:49pm
Count me in! Though if on a Saturday, may not get the time off  
Chris
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2012, 6:16pm
on Feb 2nd, 2012, 10:51pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
There is a remote chance of my making a trip east this spring.

 
If so, when would it be?
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2012, 9:01pm
on Feb 1st, 2012, 8:22pm, ken_g wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Stopped in to Rochester Junction again... wow, we might've had our meet-up a year too early: Not only is the wye all done (crushed stone trail, bridges refurbished) but there is now a LV box car on that section of tracks!!!

 
Actually, im glad we toured the wye and bridges when we did!  
It was cool to see them in their unmodified state, untouched since the rails were lifted many decades ago...I would have been disappointed if my first time out on the wye had been this spring after everything was changed..(not that there is anything wrong with the recent improvements..but you see what I mean! from a historical standpoint, im glad we went last spring)..of course, it would also be cool to see them now too..
 
If we do another tour this year, im in!  
 
Scot
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 13th, 2012, 7:45pm
Scot- I like your idea. I'm leaning towards a meet-up on either April 14th or April 28th. We should make Rochester Junction part of the tour.
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Feb 13th, 2012, 8:00pm
I could do 4/14 or 4/28, out of town on the 21st. I forwarded email to Darren.
 
Also, new LV caboose at the museum....
Posted by: RWORR Posted on: Feb 14th, 2012, 9:11pm
4/14 or 4/28 fine with me.
 
Darren
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Feb 15th, 2012, 11:38am
Same here, either date works!
 
Charlie
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Feb 19th, 2012, 8:24pm
Looking forward to meeting you all.  Keith
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Feb 21st, 2012, 5:20pm
on Feb 19th, 2012, 8:24pm, darktown2 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Looking forward to meeting you all.  Keith

 
Looking forward to meeting you as well...........and everyone else who is going!
 
Charlie
Posted by: RWORR Posted on: Feb 21st, 2012, 8:30pm
So, are we planning on Saturday, April 14th with the 28th as a rain date? Just a suggestion.
 
Darren
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Feb 22nd, 2012, 12:29pm
So, has anybody put out A date? If not,
 
 will propose Saturday April 14th
 
Possible itinerary:
 
1. See LV Caboose in Victor
2. Rochester Jct
3. See new LV Caboose at RGVRRM
 
Possibility for that day, or another.
 
Scout out Hemlock branch south of Junction. Depot in Honeoye Falls, Depot and wye in Hemlock.
 
Matt has partial contact list from last year,,,, Bob, are you out there
 
John Stewart
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Feb 22nd, 2012, 2:30pm
Sounds like a good plan to me!  
 
Charlie
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Feb 22nd, 2012, 6:05pm
on Feb 22nd, 2012, 12:29pm, rgvrr wrote:       (Click here for original message)
So, has anybody put out A date? If not,
 
 will propose Saturday April 14th
 
Possible itinerary:
 
1. See LV Caboose in Victor
2. Rochester Jct
3. See new LV Caboose at RGVRRM
 
Possibility for that day, or another.
 
Scout out Hemlock branch south of Junction. Depot in Honeoye Falls, Depot and wye in Hemlock.
 
Matt has partial contact list from last year,,,, Bob, are you out there
 
John Stewart

 
 
Yup I'm here, I'm just hanging back to see what date seems to be settled on, so I can plan on having it off. I wouldn't want to miss the chance to meet TB Diamond and Darktown2! And the guys from last year, of course!
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Feb 22nd, 2012, 9:56pm
Cannot at this point in time relate positively that I will be able to make it back east in April.  
 
One factor is family health considerations.
 
Another is the price of gasoline which right now appears to be rising at an alarming rate. It is right at 1800 miles from where we reside to RJ.  
 
Will post in this forum shortly prior to the meeting date if I will be able to make it or not.
 
          PJT
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 23rd, 2012, 8:41pm
on Feb 22nd, 2012, 12:29pm, rgvrr wrote:       (Click here for original message)
So, has anybody put out A date? If not,
 
 will propose Saturday April 14th
 
Possible itinerary:
 
1. See LV Caboose in Victor
2. Rochester Jct
3. See new LV Caboose at RGVRRM
 
Possibility for that day, or another.
 
Scout out Hemlock branch south of Junction. Depot in Honeoye Falls, Depot and wye in Hemlock.
 
Matt has partial contact list from last year,,,, Bob, are you out there
 
John Stewart

 
I like these ideas, John. What do the rest of you think?  
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Feb 23rd, 2012, 9:08pm
I'm all in for it......if you need my contact info, phone, email, just let me know.
 
Charlie
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Feb 24th, 2012, 6:54am
You can not go far on the hemlock(Rochester) branch, some is now private property and the landowners do not want people walikng through it, Papa trestle is long gone. The station in honeoye falls is in great shape though.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Feb 24th, 2012, 7:51am
1917 Rochester Junction map!  
 

 
Click here for the FULL SIZE map!
 
http://scotlawrence.smugmug.com/photos/i-M57tVfB/0/O/i-M57tVfB-O.jpg
 
Map belongs to John Stewart, who let me borrow it to scan and to share with everyone here..thanks John!
 
the small version above shows the whole map, but obviously its WAY too small to see the text at all...in order to read the text, you have to open it FULL size, but then the whole thing doesnt fit on a computer screen! I attempted to make a "medium" size that would *mostly* fot on a computer screen, but you still cant read all the text..so people will just have to open it full-size then scroll around the map to view it..
 
Thanks John for sharing the map!  
I will give the original back to John at the Rochester meetup, and I will also bring a full-size copy (about 10" by 27") that we can view at the meetup, then I will just leave the print with the museum and they can have it..
 
the original map is a true "blue print"..I converted it to B&W for the internet, simply to save on file size..there is no loss of data, except for color!
 
thanks,
Scot
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Feb 24th, 2012, 3:22pm
I have heard from a few people here, via email and FB,, looks like its the 14th.
Now, where to meet.
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Feb 25th, 2012, 6:47pm
OK, looks official for 4/14.
 
Mark is working on a tour of the LV caboose in Victor, Scot has new maps of the Junction, and there is a new caboose at the RGVRRM.
 
Sounds like another good one.
 
I am thinking we should meet in Victor?
 
JS
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 25th, 2012, 6:56pm
I'm thinking that we should meet at a restaurant that offers breakfast, so those of us (like me) who are hungry can get something to eat. Those who aren't hungry could get coffee or juice, if they want.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Feb 25th, 2012, 9:30pm
Papa Jacks is in victor, and they have a good breakfast menu.
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Feb 26th, 2012, 9:08am
So April 14th it is!
Thanks to John for the providing the map and thanks to Scot for scanning it. Speaking of which: C.I. pipes--drainage pipes?
          The two water intakes...for?
          Shows a tool house, interlocking tower but no other structures like water tower(?) that relates to the concrete bases we saw by the west leg of the wye.
 
Meeting for breakfast before starting? Are we talking about 6:30 to 7 AM?  
 
May I suggest that if we meet in Victor and then head out to RJ afterwards, maybe stay there to scout out the Hemlock branch as long as we are there before moving west and/or south again just to save time and fuel? Or flip it and start at RGVRRM and work east?
 
Chris
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 26th, 2012, 4:38pm
I would think at 8 or 9 AM would be a good breakfast time. As I recall, we met somewhere around that time last year. Papa Jack's sounds like a good place to go for eats, too.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 6th, 2012, 8:33pm
A possible itinerary:  
 
8 AM- meet @ Papa Jack's for breakfast  
 
9 AM- check out the caboose in Victor  
 
After that, we should visit (in order) the depot in Honeoye Falls, the improvements to Rochester Junction and finally the LV caboose at RGVRRM.  
 
What do the rest of you think?
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Mar 6th, 2012, 9:09pm
sounds good to me!
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Mar 6th, 2012, 9:23pm
Might be too much to go to Honeoye falls,,, I will see what is going on at the museum...
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 8th, 2012, 8:43pm
I'll trust your judgement on that, John. Please let us know if the museum is ready for a visit.
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Mar 8th, 2012, 9:40pm
Should you be speaking of the museum in Honeoye Falls, the last I knew it was open only on Sundays, 14:00-16:00.
 
That could well be changed, however.
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Mar 8th, 2012, 9:58pm
No, I meant teh RGVRRM on Rt 251. We went there last year. Restoration is underway on the new LV caboose, so we can see that and 211.  
 
JS
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 14th, 2012, 8:11pm
Hey John, have you heard anything from the RGVRRM yet?
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Mar 14th, 2012, 8:22pm
Matt,, we are all set,, there will be people there working on the new LV caboose. Last stop.
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 15th, 2012, 8:13pm
Thanks, John! As you suggested a while back, I think this should be our itinerary:
 
1. See LV Caboose in Victor
2. Rochester Jct
3. See new LV Caboose at RGVRRM  
 
Do any of you agree? Disagree? Add anything else?
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Mar 15th, 2012, 9:39pm
It sounds like a good itinerary.......fine with me  
 
Charlie
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Mar 17th, 2012, 7:18pm
I am just going to follow you guys. Don't go over 100mph!!  Keith
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 19th, 2012, 8:36pm
on Mar 17th, 2012, 7:18pm, darktown2 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I am just going to follow you guys. Don't go over 100mph!!  Keith

 
No worries, Keith. You can ride with one of us when we meet in Victor.  
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Mar 20th, 2012, 8:46pm
on Mar 19th, 2012, 8:36pm, Matthew_L wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
No worries, Keith. You can ride with one of us when we meet in Victor.  
I'm coming up with Keith,hope ya got room for two,LOL!!
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Mar 20th, 2012, 8:57pm
The more the merrier!  
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 20th, 2012, 10:16pm
on Mar 20th, 2012, 8:46pm, LV LOU wrote:       (Click here for original message)

I'm coming up with Keith,hope ya got room for two,LOL!!

 
That's Terriffic! Hope you guys find it worth the trip!
Posted by: jnugent56 Posted on: Mar 26th, 2012, 7:54am
I'll try to have LV 211 up and running by the 14th.  Part of our mainline will be out of service due to culvert work, but we should be able to offer a short little ride.
 
We are making great progress on our new LV caboose (LV 95100).  As rgvrr said, it will be available for viewing.  Hopefully by this time next year we can take it for a spin.  
 
Joe Nugent
 
Motive Power Superintendent
Vice President
Rochester and Genesee Valley Railroad Museum
www.rgvrrm.org
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 1st, 2012, 8:56pm
If you are planning to attend the Rochester meet-up on the 14th, please send your E-mail address and cell phone # to my inbox. Even if you submitted those items last year, sending them again will make sure I have your current contact information. Thanks!
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Apr 1st, 2012, 11:44pm
Wow..Seeing 211 will be like seeing an actual dinosaur to me..Can't wait!!
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Apr 5th, 2012, 6:47am
Monday I got my official notice of my request for time off being denied
So pictures please! Thanks!
Have fun!
Chris
Posted by: jnugent56 Posted on: Apr 5th, 2012, 7:10am
Looks like it's going to be too cold to have LV 211 up and running by next weekend.  You'll still be able to crawl all over her, though.  
 
Looking forward to your visit!
 
Joe
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Apr 6th, 2012, 2:27pm
Did  we lock in a meeting time, 8 or 9 at papa jacks is ok with me, someone call it.  
 
Also, mark, did you confirm caboose visit in Victor?
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 6th, 2012, 3:36pm
8 or 9 is fine with me, I say 8:00 so we are not rushed, I have things to do later in the day, so have to be finished or head for home by 2:00 at the latest. Caboose in confirmed, just waiting to hear from Bernie about where to park. See you there!
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 6th, 2012, 4:48pm
I think 8:00 should do it. Hopefully everyone can make it. Where is the Restaurant, for those not from Victor- Rochester area?
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 6th, 2012, 5:11pm
261 west main street, Victor, NY,14564. There is an Ice cream place, also called papa jacks right next to it. The Lehigh Valley mainline(Now Fingerlakes railway) runs right behind it.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 6th, 2012, 7:50pm
Excellent! I also have to be leave for home 2 PM on the 14th so meeting at Papa Jack's at 8 AM works for me.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 6th, 2012, 9:22pm
Ditto...........8:00 is just fine
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 7th, 2012, 8:00pm
I'm in!  
see you Saturday!
Scot
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 7th, 2012, 9:24pm
I guess Lou and I will be staying over Friday in Victor so we will see you all there.  Keith
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 7th, 2012, 9:38pm
Will not make it back east this spring.  
 
Enjoy and post some photos in this forum, please.
 
     PJT
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 8th, 2012, 8:18am
Sure would have been good to see you Paul. I know you could have shown us a few rare spots!!   Take err easy.  Keith
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 8th, 2012, 8:36am
Yeah really hope to meet you oneday Paul, Thanks for all the fantastic pictures from around the area!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 10th, 2012, 8:55pm
on Apr 7th, 2012, 9:24pm, darktown2 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I guess Lou and I will be staying over Friday in Victor so we will see you all there.  Keith

 
Keith, I really look forward to meeting you.  
 
 
For all who are coming, here are a couple things to keep in mind:  
 
1. Route 251 is closed in the Town of Victor (for a bridge repair as I recall), so we'll have to detour around that spot.
 
2. The forecast indicates a chance of thunderstorms on Saturday afternoon. The day will start good, but bringing rain gear won't hurt.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 11th, 2012, 6:49am
Matt, I thought thunderstorms were forcast for Sunday. Also. I know a way around the 251 detour from when we leave the caboose, everyone can follow me.
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 11th, 2012, 8:22pm
I am looking forward to meeting everyone. I sure do wish I would have taken the time back in the LV days to ride the freights all the way to Buffalo. Ya know we just did not think they could EVER do away with the LV!! Boy was that stupid thinking. See ya all Saturday.  Take err easy.  Keith
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 11th, 2012, 8:33pm
on Apr 11th, 2012, 6:49am, mtcg16 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Matt, I thought thunderstorms were forcast for Sunday. Also. I know a way around the 251 detour from when we leave the caboose, everyone can follow me.

 
Channel 13 did have t-storms in the forecast for Saturday when I looked at their website yesterday. Thankfully, it now looks like the rain will hold off till Sunday.  
 
 
P.S. Thanks for helping with the detour.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 11th, 2012, 8:37pm
on Apr 11th, 2012, 8:22pm, darktown2 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I am looking forward to meeting everyone. I sure do wish I would have taken the time back in the LV days to ride the freights all the way to Buffalo. Ya know we just did not think they could EVER do away with the LV!! Boy was that stupid thinking. See ya all Saturday.  Take err easy.  Keith

 
I look forward to meeting you, Keith. I've shown a couple of your brother's books to my mother and she really likes them. She was amazed that I actually know someone from the LV who ate at Mangilardo's. I told her:"That's the power of the Internet!" Saturday is gonna be fun.      
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 11th, 2012, 9:57pm
The old Bradford Hotel was a good place, as well.
 
So many of the spots along the old LV that I knew are now gone to development or Ma Nature. Been glad to impart with what little I know, however.  
 
You folks have a great tour.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 11th, 2012, 10:21pm
on Apr 11th, 2012, 9:57pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The old Bradford Hotel was a good place, as well.
 
So many of the spots along the old LV that I knew are now gone to development or Ma Nature. Been glad to impart with what little I know, however.  
 
You folks have a great tour.

 
What Little you know? Now THAT'S FUNNY !!! it would have been nice to meet you, Paul.  Maybe next year.  In the meantime, I'm still trying to track down that Sampson photo!
Posted by: DElder Posted on: Apr 11th, 2012, 11:56pm
Yeah, that really is a good one, Paul....I wish I knew 10% of what you've probably forgotten!
 
Seriously, I continue to hope that our schedules for our treks back to NY will mesh one of these years and that I'll finally get to meet you and pick your brain about all things LV for a while.  In the meantime, please keep the "guess the location" pics and all the great commentary and info coming...I never get tired of reading your posts, and we're all grateful that you're here!
   Doug
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 12th, 2012, 8:00am
Keith and Everyone:
 
Very much looking forward to meeting you all as well. It's going to be a fun day
and I am psyched for Saturday. Paul, like the others, I am greatful for your knowledge
and all the photos you have shared here and many books. I'm also greatful for all
of the LV shots everyone else has shared over the years as I was only 5 in 1976 and never saw the Valley.
 
Charlie
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 12th, 2012, 5:17pm
Thanks, guys for the compliments. I am humbled.
 
Should have stated what little I know as compared to the folks who were familiar with the LVRR years before I came along.
 
K1: Here is that Sampson photo. LVRR locomotive No. 2053 4-6-2 Class K4.
Forgive the poor quality as it is a scan of a scan. Appears the loco is shoving compass north across the main entrance to Sampson NTS, probably just after the war as other than official photography on military facilities during WWII was strictly forbidden.  
 
You may well not have the time, but the location where the R&E R Rwy. crossed over the LVRR west of Swamp Road would be well worthy of a visit. Just east of this, on the south side of the tracks, is a beautiful artesian spring. One has to know where to look, however and it is probably on private property, alas.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 12th, 2012, 8:03pm
on Apr 11th, 2012, 9:57pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The old Bradford Hotel was a good place, as well.
 
So many of the spots along the old LV that I knew are now gone to development or Ma Nature. Been glad to impart with what little I know, however.  
 
You folks have a great tour.

 
 
Thank you, Paul. I look forward to meeting you someday... when your schedule permits you to come here.    
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2012, 8:28pm
The meet-up is now less than 12 hours away. I look forward to seeing some familiar faces and meeting a couple of you for the first time.  
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 13th, 2012, 9:16pm
Looking forward to meeting everyone tomorrow.
 
It will be great to finally put faces to the very familiar
names. I'm a punctual sort, so I will be there just before 8:00.
 
Charlie
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 13th, 2012, 9:39pm
Hey everyone, sorry to say I will only be able to join you for breakfast and the caboose, I need to be home before 10:30. While i am saddened by this, it can't be helped. I am requesting that many pictures be taken in my absence and sent to me if possible at marks22@rochester.rr.com  I really would like pictures of Rochester junction and the new rebuilt wye bridges if possible as well as the caboose restoration and 211 at the RGVRR museum. Thanks all!!
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Apr 14th, 2012, 6:38am
You all Have Fun  today!! And yes please do post pictures here as well!
Chris
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 14th, 2012, 11:31am
Just checked the weather report for Western NYS. Appears you folks will be O.K. until approximately 15:00 when showers are forecast.
 
It is just about 11:30 back there right now and I hope all is going well.
 
As do so many others, I look forward to viewing some photos of the day's activities.
 
  PJT
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 14th, 2012, 2:38pm
Paul we missed you too, but you were with us in spirit! Here is a few from me. The first is of Keith Bednar with the LV caboose. He is a great guy, it was nice meeting him!
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 14th, 2012, 2:42pm
And another
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 14th, 2012, 2:47pm
We had a wonderful time today and we had good sunshine for the  
bulk of our outing. It did start to cloud up as we were preparing to
leave the Junction for the museum at Rush. We hung out there until
around 1:45. I will be posting photos shortly.
 
A big "THANK YOU" goes out to Matt and John Stewart for setting
things up, to Mark for setting up the visit to Bernie's caboose in
Victor (and thanks to Bernie himself and his time!).  
 
It was awesome to have Keith Bednar make the trek from  
Mehoopany, PA to join us and I personally had a great time
meeting everyone........it was a great day!  
 
Charlie
 
BTW, Keith--I sent you a PM
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 14th, 2012, 7:13pm
You said it Charlie. I had a great time as well except I just don't understand why you guys would not go swimming with me. Go figure. Must be a Hokendauqua thing!!! Ha Ha   Take err easy.  Keith
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 14th, 2012, 8:16pm
Keith,
 
I'm guessing maybe us "New York folk" just aren't accustomed to swimming
when the calendar still says April! :-P  
 
Amazing find though.........it took an "eagle eye" like yours to see that link!
 
Charlie (getting ready to raise a cold "12 Horse" to toast the day)
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 14th, 2012, 8:41pm
Looking forward to seeing the pictures, it was great seeing all you great friends, and Keith, it was an honor to have a Bednar with you. If you ever run across any pictures of this area(Victor, Rochester Junction, Geneva, or Manchester) that did not make it into the books, please share them with us when you have time. Hope everyone had a great day!! Mark
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 14th, 2012, 9:22pm
Glad you guys had a good time.  
 
Yep, Keith is the best. Back in the fall of 2002 he drove all the way up to Syracuse from his home near Mehoopany, PA just to take in a slide show my wife and I put on for the Central New York NRHS chapter.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 6:49am
Here are a few highlights from yesterday:
 
After breakfast, we headed over behind Victor Insulator and toured
Bernie Beikirch's caboose (95037) and he also had an old LV boxcar
and a wooden BR&P hack as well as an old reefer car (LV heritage?)
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 6:54am
Inside the 95037, visible from left to right, is Mark (mtcg16), John Stewart (rgvrr), Bernie Beikirch (owner of 95037), and Keith Bednar (darktown2).
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 6:57am
A view of the coal stove
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 6:59am
Another view in the corner of this fine caboose
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:00am
Keith holding up one of the lanterns
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:05am
After leaving Victor, we made a stop on Fishers Road by the Auburn Road trail
to take a peek at the NYC pump house, a very neat structure.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:18am
We then made our way to Rochester Junction, class is in session!  
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:20am
We found lots of goodies, such as these rollers and rods left over from
the tower/interlocking.
Posted by: LVRR2095 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:21am
on Apr 15th, 2012, 6:57am, charlie6017 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
A view of the coal stove

That stove is the real deal! I well remember the legend cast into the top surface. "If I am good, please tell others about me."
I always thought that would make a great message on a tee shirt....
 
Keith (the one in Maine)
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:23am
As we crossed over one of the bridges on the wye, Keith spotted
something in the creek that was of interest.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:25am
Here's Scot Lawrence (scottychaos) poking at this object in the creek, were he
got it to move a bit.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:27am
After a few more minutes, Keith went in after it!
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:31am
And there it is! Keith's holding up a late 19th Century "link" for a link and pin coupler that had failed on one end, which is likely a good reason why it had ended up in the creek for at least 100 years!
 
Definitely the find of the day!
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:36am
Here's a better look at the coupler link, you can see where it broke
on the end. This item was given to the Mendon Foundation, who is
in the process of building a visitor's center at the Junction and it's
volunteers were working on this day.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:39am
After leaving the Junction, we drove over to the Rochester and Genesee
Valley Railroad Museum to see the Hammerhead 211 and other goodies
there. Here is Matt Langworthy on long hood.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:42am
Here we see Bob (Kendaia1) behind the throttle!
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:45am
Here's Keith at the helm, sleeping peacefully!  
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:48am
And awake!
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:50am
Here is the recently rescued LV 95100 caboose, in the process of being  
returned to it's former glory.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 7:52am
And inside the caboose.....
 
I hope you enjoyed those photos and am looking forward
to seeing the shots taken by the others on this fine day!
 
Charlie Ricker
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 8:45am
Great Pictures Charlie, Thanks!
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 9:55am
Thank you very much for posting the photos which will serve as a historic log for the day.
 
You guys did very well, and to find the link was especially great. The fact that you donated it to the Foundation was greater yet.
 
Anyone know where that pot signal in Victor came from?
 
After all the years I tromped around RJ I never once stumbled across the roller and pipe. Another good find.
 
Some foundations and rollers remain at P&L Jct., but one has to virtually crawl on hands and knees to locate them for the brush and weeds.
 
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 12:09pm
Paul,
 
That pot signal in the first pic belongs to Bernie as part of a display and  
from what I understood is portable. He also has one of the metal whistle
posts that is also portable, see photo below.
 
Bernie was also doing a presentation later in the day for a group of children
from "friends of the railroad". He really has a nice collection!
 
Charlie
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 1:15pm
Once again thanks to all the great people I met this weekend. Here are my Rochester Jct. shots.   Keith
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 1:24pm
Anothe view later in the life of RJ
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 1:28pm
Color shots. Lots to see here.
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 1:31pm
Another view
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 1:37pm
Last one. Thanks Mark,Matt,Scot,Bob,Charlie,Bernie,Ken,John. You can be on my crew anytime.  Keith
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 2:42pm
The link has been on my mind since it was found in the water at Rochester Jct. I was just trying to figure out when the LV went to all couplers on the freight cars. I was looking in Archers book and on page 142 it shows a wreck at Dushore,PA, 10/28/1896. The cars over the bank have the link and pin set up. Also on page 145, showing the Black Diamond Express on it's inaugural run. Date May 16 1896. That engine had the link and pin set up as well. So I am not sure when the link and pin was eliminated all together. Perhaps someone with more knowledge on this subject can shed some light on this subject.   Take err easy   Keith
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 3:41pm
Keith,
 
If you have Herb Trice's book, "The Gangly Country Cousin", on page 74 you'll
see a 4-wheel wooden caboose pictured at Camden, NY. That looks to me like
a link and pin set-up. That photo is dated 1902.
 
Charlie
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 4:15pm
Keith, I have many more that i have found over the years or from people who were nice enoght to share them witm me, If you want any others, let me know. Thanks for letting me be one of your "Crew", it's an honor!!
Mark
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 4:25pm
A builder photo published in R&LHS Bulletin No. 126 of LVRR Camelback 0-8-0 No. 3052 which was outshopped in November 1905 depicts the loco with a automatic coupler.
 
Here is a photo of LVRR RS3 No. 211 with RM-2 just west of the Old Dutch Road grade crossing. Took the photo with a Topcon Super D camera on 21 May 1971. The 211 did not remain on this job for very long.
 
The LV main was still Rule 251 back in those days. I have a bit of difficulty with the realization that I took this photo almost 41 years ago.
 
Today, a comparison shot is nearly impossible as where I was standing now sports thick brush 6 feet high.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 4:59pm
Were there and crossing signals on old dutch, or just crossbucks? I could have sworn after the tracks were reduced to 1, there were poles with crossbucks and wires for signals hanging out of them.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 8:35pm
on Apr 15th, 2012, 1:37pm, darktown2 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Last one. Thanks Mark,Matt,Scot,Bob,Charlie,Bernie,Ken,John. You can be on my crew anytime.  Keith

 
Thank you, too, Keith. It was great to meet you and learn from you.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 8:39pm
on Apr 14th, 2012, 2:47pm, charlie6017 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

A big "THANK YOU" goes out to Matt and John Stewart for setting
things up, to Mark for setting up the visit to Bernie's caboose in
Victor (and thanks to Bernie himself and his time!).

 
You're welcome, Charlie. It was nice to meet you after talking online all these years. My pics will be coming soon.  
 
 
 
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 15th, 2012, 10:02pm
mtcg16:
 
The Old Dutch Road grade crossing was protected by wooden crossbucks. Back in the 1970s Old Dutch Road was a narrow and very lightly used dirt road.
 
Mile Square Road had flashing signals and gates. Have a slide in my files of these being dismantled.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 16th, 2012, 6:51am
Paul, if you come across it, please post it. Thanks! Maybe that was the one I saw.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 16th, 2012, 11:32am
Hi all, once again I had a great time Saturday. It was good to see some "old" friends and great to meet 2 new ones, Charlie and Keith.  You guys are the only ones who understand my Lehigh Valley "fascination". Keith you are quite a character, thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. I am already looking forward to doing something next year.  
 
Charlie's pics covered all the bases, I don't have too much more to add. But here is a shot of the Junction from Saturday to compare with Keith's images from yesteryear.
 
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 16th, 2012, 12:29pm
This building is going to look like the old freight house when it's done, it's being built in the same spot. view looking east from Plains Rd., between the tracks
 
 
 
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 16th, 2012, 12:40pm
Another view, looking down the Rochester branch toward the station site, and the mainline. The boxcar is right at home here. Was told there are plans for more track and rr cars, at least 1 being a flatcar to be used as a stage for bands, etc. to really bring the site back to life
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 16th, 2012, 1:01pm
And Keith, It is an honor for me to be told I could be on your crew...  Sent you a pm
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 16th, 2012, 1:17pm
Ditto Keith,
 
Most certainly enjoyed meeting and learning from you. Great Junction photos!
 
It was awesome meeting everyone, and Ken, thanks for hanging with us at RJ.
 
I had an absolute ball, so thanks again to everyone for that!  
 
Charlie
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 16th, 2012, 4:00pm
mtcg16:
 
Here is a photo of the crossing warning devices being dismantled at Mile Square Road.  
 
Took this in February 1978 during what was a very severe winter in the northeast.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 16th, 2012, 5:40pm
Thanks Paul, this must be looking east correct? The signal relay box that is behind the searchlight signal is still there to this day. Were the tracks already gone at this point? Also, I know they left the ones up on 64 for a few years after the tracks were gone(any pictures of those after the Valley stopped running?), although the ones on 251 I never saw. I have a picture in a high school yearbook(197 where you can see the signals and the gates from the cottage hotel, a bar we still hang out at to this day! The stripes on the signal were black, unlike the ones today that are red. Awesome picture!!
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 16th, 2012, 5:47pm
Wish I could have been with you guys, guess I will have to go to RJ myself. Anyone get any shots of the 2 new rebuilt wye bridges? It's so great having friends who love the Valley as much as I did and always will!!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 16th, 2012, 7:23pm
Yes, Mark, I shot the new bridges. I'll post the pics here soon. In the meantime, you can see them on my FB page.  
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 16th, 2012, 9:00pm
Correct, Mark, the Mile Square Road photo is view to the east.  
 
The tracks were still extant but were removed during the summer of 1978.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 17th, 2012, 5:25pm
Thanks TB and Matt!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:31pm
Mark, you're welcome.  
 
I'll try not to duplicate what has been shown so far.  Bob (kendaia1) and I were intrepid enough to climp up into the cupola of Bernie's LV caboose.  This is the view of the whistle post which was discussed earlier.
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Village of Victor, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:34pm
Yours truly sitting in the cupola. The ladder was very narrow so it was a challenge to get up there. Thankfully, Scot pulled out a step ladder so I could get down more easily!  
 

 
Photo taken by Bob (Kendaia1) using my camera Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Village of Victor, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:35pm
Bob (Kendaia1) sits in the other side of the cupola.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Village of Victor, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:37pm
There are now signs commemorating the history of the Lehigh Valley Trail.
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:39pm
This sign was reminiscent of the old LV station signs from the RR's heyday.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:41pm
An old LV boxcar has been placed on the panel track at Rochester Junction.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:43pm
Keith (Darktown2) explains where this artifact fit into the old interlocking at Rochester Junction.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:45pm
I think we all learned alot from Keith that day... and it was fun!  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:47pm
We also discovered a large lump of coal, which (as Keith demonstrated) was soft.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:50pm
Ken had discovered alot of former interlocking pieces we hadn't seen last year, like this pulley.  
 
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:51pm
The vegetation hasn't grown much this spring, so Charlie found more pulleys in the brush.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:54pm
One leg of the wye at Rochester Junction was not a groomed trail when we came through Rochester Junction last year. Now it looks much, much better.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 7:57pm
The new bridges on the east leg of the wye were a distinct improvement over the rotting wooden bridges we had to cross last year... and there were no fallen trees to block our way! This was the bridge where we found the old link.
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 8:04pm
This is most of the Lehigh Valley Walkers who were in the group that day.  
 
(L-R): Bob (Kendaia1), Keith (Darktown2), Jon (rgvrr), Charlie (Charlie6017), Scot (Scottychaos) and Ken (mtcg16).    
 

 
Photo taken by me Sat 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY. Those missing from the pic were Mark (had to leave early) and the guy who took the shot.  
 
I will resume the pictorial tomorrow.
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 18th, 2012, 9:44pm
Excellent record, Matt. Look forward to the additional material.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 12:04pm
Thanks Matt! Also looking forward to seeing more shots
from this fabulous outing!
 
Charlie
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 12:50pm
Here's Keith telling Caboose tales in Bernie's LV 95037
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 12:52pm
Some more details inside 95037
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 12:55pm
Here's the plaque on the cobblestone pumphouse at Fishers. Not LV but still noteworthy
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 12:57pm
Here's the relay panel box at the Plains Rd. Crossing
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 12:59pm
Another view of Rochester Junction looking west with most of the gang rambling down the main
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 1:02pm
Here's the 95100 inside the shop at Rochester Genesee Valley RR Museum
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 1:04pm
Another view of 95100
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 1:08pm
Inside the compartment where I believe the icebox was I found this still on the unpainted sheetmetal.
 
L.V.R. Co
C/O CB Tobey
Sayre, PA
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 1:15pm
After we all left the museum, I still had the rest of the day to kill. Made my way south thru Avon, to Mt Morris. Photographed some interesting RR structures along the way, but they aren't LV of course. I'll post them if anyone is interested. An old stone arch bridge, the Mt Morris Station- I think it was DL&W, and the Letchworth bridge.  
 
Eventually wound my way to Burdett, where someone that day had been asking me if the station was still there
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 1:18pm
Looking westward down the main (compass north). They have a heck of a neighborhood watch here, twice in 5 minutes someone stopped to ask what I was doing
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 1:19pm
Made my way to the Satterly Hill Rd. tunnels
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 1:21pm
Looking back from the east side of the main
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 1:24pm
Peering through the tunnel
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 1:29pm
So I decided I had to climb the emankment to see the ROW on top. I was very suprised at how loose the terrain is on the side of the embankment, and steep! The earth is a fine aggregate of loose soil and bits of coal and cinders, almost like climbing a giant sandpile. Made it to the top only to find the jungle so thick it wasn't worth taking a picture, so here's a view back down the embankment at my truck parked far below.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 1:31pm
And here's a view of the same spot when it was shiny and new. For perspective, note the man standing in the tunnel
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 6:58pm
Totally great material. Keep 'em coming, guys.
 
Hey, Keith, look out for slack action in that cab.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:05pm
Thanks to all for the kind words. Nice job to Charlie, Bob and Keith for their photos.
 
There is one thing I forgot to include from Rochester Junction. The scrappers apparently missed a short section of rail... which is still in place now.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:08pm
The rail at Rochester Junction was yet another discovery by Ken- who had scouted out the place in advance of our visit and wrote down notes. That's the kind of homework I like.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:09pm
I found a small chunk of tie imbedded in the cinders at Rochester Junction.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:12pm
For anyone who wants to find the rail and tie, it was just east of this mile marker... but on the other side of the trail.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in the Town of Mendon, NY.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:24pm
Matt there were more ties still in the ground west of the rails a bit, follow along where those tracks would have gone and they were probably another 20 yards or so
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:31pm
After we left Rochester Junction, the Lehigh Valley Walkers* headed over to the Rochester & Genesee Valley RR Museum to tour the equipment. I headed straight up into #211 as soon as we got there.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in Rush, NY.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:32pm
I loved the view from the engineer's seat.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in Rush, NY.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:34pm
Yours truly at the throttle of #211. No, the RS3m wasn't moving!  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in Rush, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:36pm
Charlie occupies the engineer's seat.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in Rush, NY.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:39pm
Keith took his turn in the seat, too. Apparently, these seats were installed by Conrail, as Keith told us #211's seats had no arm rests back in the LV era.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in Rush, NY.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:43pm
on Apr 19th, 2012, 7:24pm, Kendaia1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Matt there were more ties still in the ground west of the rails a bit, follow along where those tracks would have gone and they were probably another 20 yards or so

 
Oh wow... I missed those ties. I'm glad you found them.  
 
BTW, I recorded your turn in the engineer's seat of #211.  
 
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in Rush, NY.  
 
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:44pm
This is the view of #211 and the former Kodak RS1 as we walked up the hill to see the caboose.  
 
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in Rush, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:46pm
I enjoyed visiting the former LV caboose which was being restored inside the RGVRRM's shop.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in Rush, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:48pm
We saw alot of great restored pieces in the RGVRRM's yard, including this old tank car.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in Rush, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:51pm
This was Keith's final lesson of the day, IIRC. He described the inner workings of this friction bearing journal on the tank car.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in Rush, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 7:54pm
Here is my parting shot of the day- taken from my dependable chase vehicle. I really enjoyed the Walk with the Lehigh Valley in 2012 and hope we do it again next year.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 4/14/2012 in Rush, NY.  
 
*-I have been unofficially referring to our gathering as a Walk with the Lehigh Valley and calling the participants the Lehigh Valley Walkers. Do we want to officially use those terms for our group?  
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 8:44pm
Matt, Lehigh Valley Walkers makes me think of something old folks in Bethlehem use to get around their retirement home, sorry.  Good thinking though. How about Lehigh Valley Railroad Explorers.....   or Apollos?
Posted by: LVRR_MANCHESTER Posted on: Apr 19th, 2012, 9:00pm
Lehigh Valley Apollos sounds good.  I want to meet up with you all at some point just the timing has been off for me.  Maybe next year.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 20th, 2012, 7:25pm
I never thought of my term that way... but I do have to admit the Lehigh Valley Apollos does have a nice ring to it. What does the rest of the group think?
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Apr 20th, 2012, 8:53pm
Apollos will work!  
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Apr 29th, 2012, 10:43am
Finally got a chance to read/look at the posting. (super busy at work). Great pictures and informations guys!! Thanks!! On page 14 with Charlie mentioning Keith being sharp eyed to find the link had me wondering if it was something found on the phone/pad/laptop or whatnot but not posted and then the talk of 'swimming' Had to laugh when I read what that was about on the next page.
On page 16, in the first picture of RJ (thanks Keith!), is that a ball signal before being replaced by the semaphore as shown in the second picture?
Thanks!
Chris
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 29th, 2012, 1:36pm
Chris, There were never any Ball signals at Rochester Junction to my knowledge, only Semephores and Searchlights!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 29th, 2012, 8:31pm
on Apr 29th, 2012, 10:43am, alsorailfan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Finally got a chance to read/look at the posting. (super busy at work). Great pictures and informations guys!! Thanks!!

 
Chris, you are very welcome! Since we're on the subject of gratitude, I will thank Bernie for letting us tour the equipment in Victor.  
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 29th, 2012, 8:40pm
For sure, Bernie is a great guy!!
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Dec 18th, 2012, 8:12pm
I know its a bit early, but I have a suggestion for next years trip!
The 3rd Annual Western NY LV Tour..
Destination: Geneva!
We could ask (in advance) for permission to check out the Finger Lakes Railway,
take a look at what remains of the LV in Geneva (Signal Bridge, Rail bridges, Geneva Station, etc) and since we would be "Out East" already, we could also make another visit to Manchester..maybe the LVRRHS museum, if they are open..things like that..
 
So that's my suggestion..
Other ideas are welcome too!
We also talked about Buffalo, which is also a great idea..
 
Scot
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Dec 18th, 2012, 8:33pm
I like your idea, Scot--I'm all in for that!
 
Charlie
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Dec 18th, 2012, 8:50pm
Geneva good! Frieght house there too. Like the idea of the museum too.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Dec 18th, 2012, 8:54pm
Sounds like a plan scott!!
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Dec 18th, 2012, 8:55pm
Would love to uncover the "Toboggan track" that went to the LV freight house, I know the tracks are long gone, but maybe we can find some of whats left of the grade, if there is anything.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Dec 18th, 2012, 8:56pm
I can't believe no one has a picture of it(TB)
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Dec 18th, 2012, 9:31pm
The grade for the Toboggan Track is still there in the jungle behind Suburban Propane and the FGLK yard. That sounds like a great day to me! Also, the Seneca-Cayuga trail has been completed from Geneva Junction to Waterloo. It is the old LV Seneca Falls branch, and hasn't gotten much attention.  The Trail Website; http://cay-sentrail.org/index.html , and Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/mobileprotection#!/pages/Cayuga-Seneca-Canal-Trail/214123435574?fref=ts
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Dec 18th, 2012, 9:40pm
Geneva sounds good to me!  Recently got a copy of a 1917 Lehigh map for around the passenger station, and one for Geneva Junction is on the way.  Will scan and post links to them in the next couple weeks.
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Dec 19th, 2012, 10:43am
The tobbogan (LVRR spelling) track was rarely used by the 1970s. Had heard about it so took the time to explore the area one humid summer late afternoon circa 1973.  
 
The switch off the passing siding (old MT 2) was at MP 343.3 which was a short distance west of the South Pre-Emption Street bridge. This switch was equipped with a electric lock and there was a telephone box at this location. Walked down the track to the bottom of the grade but no further.
 
Being very negligent, photos of that location were not taken that afternoon.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Dec 19th, 2012, 3:53pm
Do you have or know of any photo's of it at all, I have never seen any on Dec 19th, 2012, 10:43am, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The tobbogan (LVRR spelling) track was rarely used by the 1970s. Had heard about it so took the time to explore the area one humid summer late afternoon circa 1973.  
 
The switch off the passing siding (old MT 2) was at MP 343.3 which was a short distance west of the South Pre-Emption Street bridge. This switch was equipped with a electric lock and there was a telephone box at this location. Walked down the track to the bottom of the grade but no further.
 
Being very negligent, photos of that location were not taken that afternoon.

 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Dec 19th, 2012, 8:18pm
Geneva gets my vote for 2013. We could also check out the Black Diamond Trail since we'll be perhaps 10-15 miles away from its northern terminus.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Dec 19th, 2012, 8:41pm
Great ideas by everyone, and I like the trail ideas that Bob and Matt presented.
 
Charlie
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Dec 19th, 2012, 8:50pm
Cool! glad to hear so many people are into it!  
We will firm up the plans as the new year progresses..
 
Scot
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Dec 19th, 2012, 9:54pm
Have seen exactly three photos of the Geneva freight house spur. Two were taken by the late Bill McLane at the freight house and a third was taken on the spur between the tobbogan and the freight house, photographer unk.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Dec 20th, 2012, 8:10am
Do you know where these can be seen??on Dec 19th, 2012, 9:54pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Have seen exactly three photos of the Geneva freight house spur. Two were taken by the late Bill McLane at the freight house and a third was taken on the spur between the tobbogan and the freight house, photographer unk.

Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Dec 20th, 2012, 11:11am
Mr. McLane sent me the two freight house photos before I owned a scanner and wanted them returned so I did so without ever being able to copy them.  
 
The third photo was forwarded by a friend from whom I will attempt to gain permission to reproduce it in this forum.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Dec 20th, 2012, 1:25pm
OK, let us know if you can get permission from your friend on the 3rd picture and if he says yes, please let us all know so we can see it. Thanks for all you do for us Paul, and I wish You and Your family a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Dec 20th, 2012, 1:27pm
Did Mr McLane leave his collection to anyone after he passed away? I'm sure he had many pictures we have never seen, would be great if someone saved them to share on a future date.
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Dec 20th, 2012, 10:25pm
Bill donated all of his official union and labor relations records to Cornell University after he retired. I do not know what became of his photos and other railroad items, however.
 
Here is the photo mentioned above. This was taken By Richard Pearson. Posted with his permission.
 
LVRR yard job on the Tobbogan track, Geneva, NY L/1960s-e/1970s.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Dec 21st, 2012, 10:27am
Excellent photo and thanks go to both Mr. Pearson and you for sharing it with us. I am certainly grateful that so many people took so many great "west-end" photos of the LV!
 
With much appreciation!
 
Charlie
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Dec 21st, 2012, 11:22am
You are most welcome.  
 
Dick was omnipresent along the LVRR back in the 1960s & 1970s and caught the LV in locations I missed altogether.  
 
He is most kind to share some very rare photos.  
 
And a very Merry Christmas to you folks, as well.
 
      PJT
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Jan 30th, 2013, 10:48am
So, we are about 2 months away from the 3rd annual meet up.
 
Some ideas have been floated around about Manchester & Geneva, which are good with me.
 
I am available 4/6 , 4/13 0r 4/27.
Not available on 4/20
 
Let's set a date.
 
Matt, do you still have contact info from last year?
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Jan 30th, 2013, 10:59am
Hey John,
 
I can be available for any of the three dates that you're available. Last year's meet-up was a lot of fun. This year we should probably bring our swim trunks and towels!  
 
I'm looking forward to the next one!
 
Charlie
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Jan 30th, 2013, 4:59pm
Let me know!!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Jan 31st, 2013, 7:54pm
on Jan 30th, 2013, 10:48am, rgvrr wrote:       (Click here for original message)
So, we are about 2 months away from the 3rd annual meet up.
 
Some ideas have been floated around about Manchester & Geneva, which are good with me.
 
I am available 4/6 , 4/13 0r 4/27.
Not available on 4/20
 
Let's set a date.
 
Matt, do you still have contact info from last year?

 
I still have the contact list. 4/6, 4/3 or 4/27 all work for me. What do the rest of you think?  
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Feb 1st, 2013, 5:34pm
I'm flexible with any of the three dates.
 
Charlie
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Feb 1st, 2013, 10:34pm
Also good for me!
I will start making some calls (email actually) about Geneva,
and report back..
 
Scot
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Feb 2nd, 2013, 9:17am
Any of those 3 dates will work for me!
 
Recently picked up copies of track maps for Geneva circa 1917- might be fun to refer to them.  Attached is a smaller version.  Links to the fullsize maps:
 
http://promusicnet.com/Lehigh_Valley/Lehigh_Valley_track_map_Geneva_1917_l.jpg
 
http://promusicnet.com/Lehigh_Valley/Lehigh_Valley_track_map_Geneva_Junction_1917_l.jpg
 
Has anyone seen a map for Stanley Junction?
 
Ken
Posted by: vtm Posted on: Feb 4th, 2013, 12:35pm
Thanks for securing and posting these maps. These (or copies) plus quite a few more were on ebay a while back.
 
VTM
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Feb 4th, 2013, 6:02pm
Indeed.......I also want to say thanks for posting the maps. Looking forward to meeting up again in a couple months.
 
Charlie
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Feb 4th, 2013, 7:47pm
By the way folks, anyone here that wants to come is more than welcome--last year was my first time participating and it was a blast! Newcomers are encouraged!
 
Charlie
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Feb 5th, 2013, 8:55pm
All three dates look ok to me. Ken the maps are great, I learned about the small service yard west of the station that I didn't know was there! thanks for posting it!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 6th, 2013, 8:04pm
Ken, thanx for sharing the maps!  
 
Since the "locals" seem pretty flexible about the day of the meet-up, what about folks like darktown2 (Keith B) and TB Diamond (Paul) who don't live in upstate NY? Please let us know what weekend works for y'all.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 12th, 2013, 7:34pm
Due to a couple things going on with my personal life, I'm leaning towards Saturday 4/6. What do the rest of you think?
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Feb 12th, 2013, 7:51pm
Works for me!
Scot
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Feb 12th, 2013, 8:24pm
I'm good with it, Fellas!
 
Charlie
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Feb 12th, 2013, 8:46pm
Sounds like a winner to me
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 13th, 2013, 8:07pm
Since we have a number of yes votes, then we shall proceed with Sat 4/6 for our 3rd annual meet-up.  
 
Scot, have you made any progress with Geneva?  
 
Unless there are any serious objections, I will refer to our group as the Lehigh Valley Apollos and the event as A Walk With The Lehigh Valley RR.
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Feb 18th, 2013, 5:07pm
So right now it looks like it will be John, Matt, Scot, Bob, Mark, Ken and myself?
 
I haven't heard from Keith in awhile.....I hope he is okay! Also I wonder if Doug Elder may make it out for our get-together this year? Or anyone else who wants to join us?
 
The more, the merrier!
 
Charlie
Posted by: DElder Posted on: Feb 18th, 2013, 11:46pm
Charlie:
Would love to make it back for the get-together this year (particularly with Geneva being the focus!), but as of right now I'm scheduled for a model railroad operations weekend down in Belle Vista AR that weekend (very close to Springdale and the A&M, home to about a half-dozen ex-Lehigh Alco C420s that operate in freight service daily....you can bet that we'll be spending some time chasing those while down that way!).  May see about making a switch with someone on the waiting list for the AR event though.....would really enjoy the chance to meet everyone that I see contributing here regularly, and to do some "serious" (??) trapsing around the old LV.  
 
Now if you guys could get TB to commit to attending (and Keith too!), that'd definitely seal the deal for me... how could I possibly NOT show up then ??
   Doug
 
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Feb 21st, 2013, 9:57am
Assuming Sat. 4/6 is going to be the meet up date, I'm going to put in for the day off but like last year, I'm not holding my breath especially this year with manpower shortages. One can only but hope...........
 
Chris
 
P.S. Matt, would like your txt contact if possible as the trend is now, I won't even know if my time off will be approved until Friday night the 5th. This way I can txt you as to whether I'd be coming or not. There has been cases lately where someone had time off approved only to have it rescinded......
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Feb 21st, 2013, 10:15pm
I'd certainly like to come,but won't know if I can make it until a few days before.I have a lot of goofy family any business problems going on,no idea what's up from day to day,and I have bad stomach problems that don't help...Let's just say I PLAN to be there..
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 22nd, 2013, 7:29pm
Thanx for the replies, guys! Chris, I don't have a smart phone, so just send me a private message or simply post in this thread to let me know your status.
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Feb 23rd, 2013, 1:36pm
I'm thinking of joining you guys.  If you would, let me know when and where you're meeting.  I'm going to try to bring along my friend who grew up in Geneva and is a Lehigh Valley fan.  He has given me several guided tours of Manchester and Geneva.
I'll bring along a photo album or two.  Back in 1970, a friend's dad drove us to Geneva Junction right after a big derailment.  We got to watch a bit of the cleanup and a few freights moving through behind "snowbirds."
 
I've mentioned Gil Mack's Tiger Valley Lines near Oaks Corners, northwest of Geneva along the FGLK line to Shortsville.  You picked the day he normally hosts an afternoon open house and an evening Lehigh Valley photo fest.  If you load up a satellite view of Oaks Corners, look just on the west side of the quarry along County Rd 23.  If you find his driveway, he has an LV signal illuminated so you can see it on the approach to his house.
 
It might make for a long day, but even a visit to his HO layout open house would be worth the time.
 
Bob
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Feb 23rd, 2013, 8:44pm
Not sure if I can make it yet or not. I sure you will all have a good time as we did last year. Just remember if I don't make it, I will be thinking of all you nuts!!! Ha Ha  Keith
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Feb 24th, 2013, 7:41am
on Feb 23rd, 2013, 1:36pm, firstbelt wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I'm thinking of joining you guys.  If you would, let me know when and where you're meeting.  I'm going to try to bring along my friend who grew up in Geneva and is a Lehigh Valley fan.  He has given me several guided tours of Manchester and Geneva.
I'll bring along a photo album or two.  Back in 1970, a friend's dad drove us to Geneva Junction right after a big derailment.  We got to watch a bit of the cleanup and a few freights moving through behind "snowbirds."
 
I've mentioned Gil Mack's Tiger Valley Lines near Oaks Corners, northwest of Geneva along the FGLK line to Shortsville.  You picked the day he normally hosts an afternoon open house and an evening Lehigh Valley photo fest.  If you load up a satellite view of Oaks Corners, look just on the west side of the quarry along County Rd 23.  If you find his driveway, he has an LV signal illuminated so you can see it on the approach to his house.
 
It might make for a long day, but even a visit to his HO layout open house would be worth the time.
 
Bob

Bob, We would love to have you join us!! I am working on an HO layout that will be all Lehigh Valley theme, won't be ready for show this year, but will be by next year. I would love to see Gil's layout, have heard alot about it. Would also love to see his and your pictures. Have you posted any of yours here?? I'm always looking for more of the Geneva, Manchester, Rochester Junction and points west. I met a guy who has quite a few of the Rochester Junction, Mendon, Honeoye falls area and he has been sending them for me to post, waiting on a new batch from him now. It will be nice to meet You and any other Fellow LV fan!
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Feb 24th, 2013, 2:29pm
on Feb 23rd, 2013, 1:36pm, firstbelt wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I'm thinking of joining you guys.  If you would, let me know when and where you're meeting.  I'm going to try to bring along my friend who grew up in Geneva and is a Lehigh Valley fan.  He has given me several guided tours of Manchester and Geneva.
I'll bring along a photo album or two.  Back in 1970, a friend's dad drove us to Geneva Junction right after a big derailment.  We got to watch a bit of the cleanup and a few freights moving through behind "snowbirds."
 
I've mentioned Gil Mack's Tiger Valley Lines near Oaks Corners, northwest of Geneva along the FGLK line to Shortsville.  You picked the day he normally hosts an afternoon open house and an evening Lehigh Valley photo fest.  If you load up a satellite view of Oaks Corners, look just on the west side of the quarry along County Rd 23.  If you find his driveway, he has an LV signal illuminated so you can see it on the approach to his house.
 
It might make for a long day, but even a visit to his HO layout open house would be worth the time.
 
Bob

 
 
Bob, you (and anyone) are certainty welcome!
 
I was thinking of starting first in Geneva, and then working West..
but perhaps we should start West and work East then?
 
Last year we met in Victor..we could probably keep that plan..
then Rochester Junction, Manchester, and Geneva..
then finish with a visit to Gil's place? that will probably fill up the whole day..
(Do we still want to do Rochester junction again this year?)
 
Does anyone know Gil Mack personally (I have never met him) and can ask him he minds if we stop by? Bob, what time does he usually start his open house?
We could plan the other "stops" around his open house timeframe..
 
I havent heard back from my contact about Geneva..but im not worried about it..
visiting FGLK shouldnt be a problem, we should still be able to sign a release at the office, even if I don't hear back..So I think either way Geneva should be fine..
 
I was also thinking of visiting the cool PRR Elmira Branch water tower! we havent done that before..
 
Scot
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 24th, 2013, 7:36pm
Scot, I like your plan. I think that working east from Victor is a good idea. Just one question- is there anything new to see at Manchester? Don't get me wrong- I've love the roundhouse. However, we may want to skip it if there's nothing new to see there, because it looks like we'll have a very long day.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Feb 24th, 2013, 8:16pm
Matt,
yeah, there is probably nothing new to see at Manchester or Rochester Junction..
so we should probably talk about if we want to skip them or not..
 
I guess it depends on if we have anyone new this year, who has never been to either place, or hasn't been in a long time and specifically would like to visit them.
Do we have anyone new coming from far away lands?  who wouldn't have an opportunity to visit these places often and would specifically like to visit them on this trip?  
 
Or if its just going to the "local regulars" we can probably skip them this year..
We can either work out an itinerary here in the forum, or just figure it out on the day of the trip! that would work too..im fine with anything!
 
Here is a thought..just "throwing it out there" as another possible option.
If we did decide to skip Rochester Junction and Manchester this year, we could always do Geneva and Auburn!  
 
discuss.  
 
Scot
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Feb 24th, 2013, 8:30pm
I would really be up for maybe Manchester, the HO layout open House and Geneva. Don't know if you all know, but I injured both my feet at work and have severe nerve damage, so alot of walking might not work to good for me at this point. Anyhow, let me know what you want to do! Look forward to seeing you all.
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Feb 24th, 2013, 9:05pm
I'm game for anything. Mark, I can feel your "pain" literally and figuratively, except the spine is my problem! I sure hope you feel better! 
 
I plan to make an entire day for this so I can go with the flow.
 
Scot, I would also be interested in seeing the water tower on the ex-PRR. Is this at Sodus Point?
 
Charlie
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Feb 24th, 2013, 10:10pm
Orleans
 
Scott:
 
Kindly excuse the butt-in.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Feb 24th, 2013, 10:11pm
Charlie,
no, not at Sodus..its in Phelps!  
not "out of the way" at all, for this trip..
 

 
Scot
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Feb 25th, 2013, 9:49am
Oh wow.........thanks fellas! I seriously didn't think a water tower like this existed today!  
 
Yeah, that's a "must-see!"
 
Charlie
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Feb 25th, 2013, 10:50am
I repeat, the water tank is located at Orleans, NY, MP 6.6 on the PRR Northern Region Sodus Bay Secondary Track.
 
The PRR did not pass through Phelps, NY.  
 
It did, however, pass through Phelps Jct., MP 10.5 on the Secondary. Phelps Jct. was compass west of the village of Phelps.  
 
There was no water tank at Phelps Jct.
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Feb 25th, 2013, 12:40pm
Thank you Paul.......information is greatly appreciated.
 
I believe there was a nasty wreck at Orleans on this line at one point?
 
I will make it a point to also photograph this for my own record.
 
Charlie
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Feb 25th, 2013, 5:22pm
The old PRR Water Tower IS located in the Hamlet of Orleans, which IS located in the Town of Phelps. So while Phelps wouldn't technically be a wrong answer, the tower IS in Orleans proper, which is not near Phelps Village.  
 
That old tower still exists due to the fact that it is tied into the water system for the Hamlet of Orleans.  
 
There WAS an accident here in 1964. Here is a link to the DOT report about it:  
  http://ntl1.specialcollection.net/scripts/ws.dll?websearch&site=dot_railroads  Be sure to click the links partway down to see pics and a diagram of the scene!
 
As for the Geneva Get-together this April, I am trying to track down (no pun intended) the owner of the Geneva Lehigh Valley Passenger Station to see if maybe we could get access to the building. maybe a tour, of at least permission to walk around the property taking pictures without ruffling anyone's feathers.
 
Looking forward to seeing everyone, and hopefully some new faces come too! Disappointed, though, that Keith won't be coming... thought He would go diving in the Canal at Geneva Junction looking for artifacts!
 
Bob
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Feb 25th, 2013, 6:54pm
LOL.........I was thinking the same thing, Bob. Heck, I was planning on bringing the swim trunks and a beach towel!
 
Thanks for that info on the 1964 PRR wreck. I remember reading this some years back, and it's good to have a refresher.  
 
It will be great to see everyone and meet the new-comers this time around.
 
Charlie
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Feb 25th, 2013, 6:59pm
Wandering a bit from the subject, but I was told many years ago that rail car parts remain along Flint Creek at the accident site.  
 
Was recently related that a plaque has been placed at the accident location.
 
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Feb 25th, 2013, 7:43pm
That PRR line is interesting.  I suggest making that a day unto itself, especially if anyone is up for walking.  In addition to the water tower:
 
- LV mainline bridge abutments where it went over the PRR
- remains of a signal
- several bridges
- (buried) bridge over R&E, w/ 2 concrete poles close to PRR
- accident site- there is what appears to be an engine access door that has been grown into a tree (I'll find a picture, it's neat.)  Have climbed all over looking for other artifacts but have found none.
- Stanley Junction (w/Lehigh Naples branch) not much to see, but there are traces of both rr's
- Gorham is close to Stanley- has a Lehigh station and bridge abutments
 
I get out there at least once a year as it is- if the area doesn't become part of the 4/6 agenda, maybe plan a separate visit?
 
BTW, last year we stopped in at a garage sale near Phelps.  Wouldn't you know they had lived across from the tower, and recall the accident?
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Feb 25th, 2013, 7:52pm
That would work for me as well.......meaning a separate event. We can discuss that in addition to the LV meet-up. I'm game for any.
 
Charlie
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 25th, 2013, 8:08pm
on Feb 24th, 2013, 8:16pm, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Matt,
yeah, there is probably nothing new to see at Manchester or Rochester Junction..
so we should probably talk about if we want to skip them or not..
 
I guess it depends on if we have anyone new this year, who has never been to either place, or hasn't been in a long time and specifically would like to visit them.
Do we have anyone new coming from far away lands?  who wouldn't have an opportunity to visit these places often and would specifically like to visit them on this trip?  
 
Or if its just going to the "local regulars" we can probably skip them this year..
We can either work out an itinerary here in the forum, or just figure it out on the day of the trip! that would work too..im fine with anything!
 
Here is a thought..just "throwing it out there" as another possible option.
If we did decide to skip Rochester Junction and Manchester this year, we could always do Geneva and Auburn!  
 
discuss.  
 
Scot

 
I kinda like doing Geneva and Auburn, since we (the "regulars") have already done Manchester and Rochester Jct. Knowing the starting point is crucial for me, since I don't have a cell phone. Are there any "newbies" who really want to see Rochester Jct or Manchester? If not, I think we should head east...  
 
BTW, the Buffalo area could be really good next year because I've gotten reports of an LV-themed display being planned for the Williamsville depot .
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Feb 25th, 2013, 9:04pm
on Feb 25th, 2013, 10:50am, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I repeat, the water tank is located at Orleans, NY, MP 6.6 on the PRR Northern Region Sodus Bay Secondary Track.
 
The PRR did not pass through Phelps, NY.  
 
It did, however, pass through Phelps Jct., MP 10.5 on the Secondary. Phelps Jct. was compass west of the village of Phelps.  
 
There was no water tank at Phelps Jct.

 
thanks for the correction!  
Clearly I confused "Town of Phelps" (where the water tank is located)
with "Phelps" (where it is not)
(most people would consider "Phelps, NY" to be the Village)
good to know!
Scot
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Feb 25th, 2013, 9:09pm
Heh..its funny, when you have been on the internet as long as I have (circa 1996) you often find things you posted that you have no memory of!
 
So just now I did a google search for the Orleans NY water tank, looking to see if maybe  I could find a photo of the tank back when trains still ran next to it..didnt find that, but I found another recent-ish photo of it:
 

 
huh..look at that..at some point I labeled some of those with "Orleans" instead of Phelps!
apparently we have had this same conversation before!
and I completely forgot about it..
bizarre..
 
Scot
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Feb 26th, 2013, 2:28pm
Account prior commitment, will be unable to attend.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Feb 26th, 2013, 4:42pm
on Feb 26th, 2013, 2:28pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Account prior commitment, will be unable to attend.
Thats OK TB, you are always with us by putting up and sharing your knowledge and pictures with us. Looking forward to more of our area when You have time, I will be posting some when I get them from the gentleman who worked at RJ, and was with the fire department when the station burned down.  
 
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Feb 28th, 2013, 5:59pm
on Feb 24th, 2013, 2:29pm, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
Bob, you (and anyone) are certainty welcome!
...
Does anyone know Gil Mack personally (I have never met him) and can ask him he minds if we stop by? Bob, what time does he usually start his open house?
We could plan the other "stops" around his open house timeframe..
...
Scot

 
I checked with my friend, who says Gil usually sends a letter out prior to his open house and Lehigh night.  He has been doing this since the late '70s, to mourn the end of the Lehigh.  Anyone who knows about it is pretty much welcome to drop in, though I wouldn't show up early for the open house.
My friend says model railroad open house starts around 6 PM, followed by movies and slides (around 8 PM?).  I swear I stopped by several years ago in the late afternoon.  Gil's friend showed movies he took at Geneva Junction in the 60's or 70's, mainline action.  Supposedly, attendees are welcome to show video or slides, but it means staying up until the wee hours, after midnight.
 
Any consideration of visiting the LV Historical group in Shortsville?  I hear TB donated a large picture of a Lehigh Alco PA.  Someone would probably need to arrange for a visit, as April would be before summer visiting hours start.
 
Bob
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Feb 28th, 2013, 9:27pm
Here is the door at the 1964 crash site on the Pennsy mentioned earlier.  The tree grew into it and gradually lifted it from the ground.
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Feb 28th, 2013, 9:29pm
This is the marker at the crash site.
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Feb 28th, 2013, 11:49pm
on Feb 28th, 2013, 9:27pm, ken_g wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Here is the door at the 1964 crash site on the Pennsy mentioned earlier.  The tree grew into it and gradually lifted it from the ground.
I may be proven wrong,but I don't think that door is from a locomotive.Louvers always face down,so that door handle would be on the bottom/middle of the door.Stupid place for it to be on a locomotive.Also,nearly every locomotive door handle I've seen was flush mounted,not sticking out.If you look at the crease just to the left of the tree,you can see what looks to be faint handpainted yellow letters,looks like "MB".. I think it's from a bus or something like that..
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Mar 1st, 2013, 7:52am
Good point Lou!  It's also strange that the door is the only artifact in the area, fairly close to the ROW.  A bit far from the road to be carried in, it's a mystery to me.
 
JoeS posted a pdf of the accident report on railroad.net: http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=128&t=66258
 
Back on topic, if Auburn is in play, here is a map of the area by the roundhouse.  Full size: http://promusicnet.com/Lehigh_Valley/Lehigh_Valley_track_map_Auburn_1917.jpg
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Mar 1st, 2013, 10:02am
There's a million ways that coulda got there.Tornado?..LOL! Really,it could be from equipment that cleared up the wreck,it could be something that was in a gon full of scrap left from the wreck,or just blew out of the gon as a train went by,Alien invasion,ETC..I'm pretty sure it's not a piece from a loco,though..
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 1st, 2013, 6:51pm
on Feb 28th, 2013, 5:59pm, firstbelt wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I checked with my friend, who says Gil usually sends a letter out prior to his open house and Lehigh night.  He has been doing this since the late '70s, to mourn the end of the Lehigh.  Anyone who knows about it is pretty much welcome to drop in, though I wouldn't show up early for the open house.
My friend says model railroad open house starts around 6 PM, followed by movies and slides (around 8 PM?).  I swear I stopped by several years ago in the late afternoon.  Gil's friend showed movies he took at Geneva Junction in the 60's or 70's, mainline action.  Supposedly, attendees are welcome to show video or slides, but it means staying up until the wee hours, after midnight.
 
Any consideration of visiting the LV Historical group in Shortsville?  I hear TB donated a large picture of a Lehigh Alco PA.  Someone would probably need to arrange for a visit, as April would be before summer visiting hours start.
 
Bob

 
After hiking around Geneva I'd be all for checking out Gil Mack"s if we could find out exactly where it is.  The LV Museum in Shortsville would be good too.  I think it's going to be a full day!
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Mar 1st, 2013, 7:13pm
I think for sure we need to find out if it would be OK to stop by Gil's house and see his layout and Pictures, like I said, I really want to be a part of this, but due to the nerve damage in my feet, alot of walking is not an option for me at this point.
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Mar 1st, 2013, 11:58pm
on Mar 1st, 2013, 7:13pm, mtcg16 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I think for sure we need to find out if it would be OK to stop by Gil's house and see his layout and Pictures, like I said, I really want to be a part of this, but due to the nerve damage in my feet, alot of walking is not an option for me at this point.

 Same here..I'm a mess.Going Tuesday to get ultrasound on my Gallbladder,nerve damage in both feet,knees are shot from working on concrete for 40 years..I can walk pretty far,but not very fast,LOL!!
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Mar 2nd, 2013, 3:36pm
on Mar 1st, 2013, 11:58pm, LV LOU wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 Same here..I'm a mess.Going Tuesday to get ultrasound on my Gallbladder,nerve damage in both feet,knees are shot from working on concrete for 40 years..I can walk pretty far,but not very fast,LOL!!

 
Good luck with the gall bladder, Lou. I know quite a few folks who felt a whole lot better after they had them removed. They can be evil damned things! Same here with my back/neck--was after many years of working on concrete floors as a machinist. We're a great group of "walking-wounded", aren't we? :-P
 
Charlie
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Mar 2nd, 2013, 7:44pm
on Mar 2nd, 2013, 3:36pm, Charlie Ricker wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Good luck with the gall bladder, Lou. I know quite a few folks who felt a whole lot better after they had them removed. They can be evil damned things! Same here with my back/neck--was after many years of working on concrete floors as a machinist. We're a great group of "walking-wounded", aren't we? :-P
 
Charlie
Charlie,I'm gonna be 57 Wednesday.Had severe stomach problems since '82.[Water parasites from the public water system,got ut from drinking gallons of contaminated water racing bicycles.] Been working in garages,body shops,and print shops for 0ver 40 years,been a motor builder/Harley builder/motor & custom part machinist & welder for the last 30 of that..And I'm a pretty big guy..My doctor looked at my knees yesterday,said they"sounded like a rusty old car door.."
 
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Mar 2nd, 2013, 8:43pm
You have definitely been a busy guy and Happy Birthday Wednesday!
 
So you think there's a chance you'll be able to head North for our get-together?
 
Charlie
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Mar 3rd, 2013, 9:48pm
on Mar 2nd, 2013, 8:43pm, Charlie Ricker wrote:       (Click here for original message)
You have definitely been a busy guy and Happy Birthday Wednesday!
 
So you think there's a chance you'll be able to head North for our get-together?
 
Charlie
No idea..May be recovering from surgery,LOL!![Well,not really LOL,but,what can I do..]
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 8th, 2013, 8:30pm
Oh BTW, since Firstbelt is going to bring photos this year, I will also bring my photo album.  I didn't taken any of the shots, though... since I was just 7 years old on C-Day.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 9th, 2013, 10:13am
Something has come up with me, and I will only be able to do the first part of the tour this year..I can do Geneva, but then I will have to skip out on you guys..
so the rest of the day is up to the rest of you!
 
Scot
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Mar 9th, 2013, 11:02am
No prob, Scot--glad you'll still be able to do Geneva
 
Charlie
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Mar 16th, 2013, 11:15pm
Just talked with my friend, who says he's not making it for the outing.  He received notice of Gil Mack's "Lehigh Night:" model railroad open house at 6 PM, slides and movie show at 8 PM.
Depending on when you guys plan to get started, I could probably hang in for the open house.  I'm curious what you plan to take in around Geneva.  I'm aware of the passenger station, mainline signal bridge along route 5, and Geneva Junction.  There is a bit of right-of-way, bridges, and stations along the former route to Van Etten.  A bit more over around Trumansburg, including bridges and ROW around Taughannock Falls state park.
 
Looks like the LV museum at Shortsville doesn't open until May or June.
If you're making a day of it, Ithaca is about 2 hours one-way from Rochester.
 
Send me a PM or something on when you plan to start out and where you plan to meet.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 18th, 2013, 8:29pm
on Mar 9th, 2013, 10:13am, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Something has come up with me, and I will only be able to do the first part of the tour this year..I can do Geneva, but then I will have to skip out on you guys..
so the rest of the day is up to the rest of you!
 
Scot

 
Scot, I understand.  Do we have access to the station and FGLK?  
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 20th, 2013, 1:17pm
I spoke this morning with the wife of the owner of the Geneva LVRR Station about our tour of Geneva. She said he loves to take people through the Station. He was unavailable when I spoke to her, but hopefully will contact him tonight to make arrangements for a station tour. I think that would be a great place to start the day and will tell him we will be there at 10 am. Is that agreeable to everyone? I'll keep you posted once details are final. I don't know about you guys but I think a station tour would be outstanding!!!
 
Bob
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Mar 20th, 2013, 2:02pm
Great idea and I would love to see this station!
 
Charlie
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Mar 20th, 2013, 4:21pm
Sounds great! Does everyone just want to eet there at 10:00? I'm pretty sure thats going to be just about all I can do that day as well, some stuff has come up, and my feet are still not better.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 20th, 2013, 6:29pm
I just got off the phone with the owner of the LV Station, and we've got the Green light for a tour at 10 am Saturday, April 6th. Please pull in and park right up on the Station Platform. This is a great opportunity for a tour of  an historic building; hopefully we can get some more people to take advantage of this opportunity! As for the "USUAL" gang, I'm looking forward to seeing you all there!
 
Bob
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Mar 20th, 2013, 7:45pm
OK, now that we have a start time, where should we meet for Breakfast? I can be in Geneva by 0800 so we have tme to BS
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Mar 20th, 2013, 7:53pm
Hey Fellas, I can also be there by 8:00 AM--I like the idea of BS over coffee!
 
Thanks very much Bob!!
 
Charlie
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 20th, 2013, 7:55pm
Excellent! Both the 8 AM breakfast meet and the 10 AM station meet work for me. After the station, where shall we go? And where should we meet for breakfast?
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Mar 20th, 2013, 9:46pm

Thanks for setting that up, Bob!
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 21st, 2013, 2:22am
I think a good place to meet would be the Water St. Cafe. It's a Mom and Pop restaurant in Downtown Geneva, at 467 Exchange St. (Not Water St., beat's me). It's a straight shot south from exit 42; NY Rt. 14 becomes Exchange St. Parking is on the street. We can have some Coffee and Vittles if you like, then the LV Station is a 5 minute ride from there.  
 
Scottychaos, did you make your contact with FGLK yet?
 
Also, there is the LV Freight Station, Geneva Jct and the Signal Bridge, the old LV Yard. and the Toboggan Track, which would be neat to explore if the Jungle isn't too thick.  
 
Also there's the Seneca Falls Branch, starting across from Geneva Jct., which is now a nice trail, not unlike the trail at Rochester Jct. . Currently completed to Waterloo, featuring several re-decked wooden LV Bridges, one quite long crossing Kendigs Creek. If you plan on attending Gil Mack's Lehigh night (I do) and think we need to fill time, a bike ride from Geneva Jct to Kendigs Creek and back would be great, if anyone's interested in that.  
 
 Otherwise, There is Sampson, where tracks are still in place- TB Diamond has posted pics from there in the past. We could see Trumansburg (Station Site featured in Railroad Model Craftsman, and Bridge) and Taughannock Falls (Trail over gorge is actual LVRR Bridge- very easy walk), about 35-40 minutes from Geneva. It all depends what the gang wants to do and how much time we have. I always set aside the whole day and would be happy to show you guys around, this area is my stomping grounds!
 
Bob  
 
Posted by: BlackDiamondRR Posted on: Mar 21st, 2013, 8:43am
While I cannot make the trip this year, seeing as you all are going to be in Geneva, you might look up Lake Cities Hobby shop. The owner is an LV fan and carries some LV items in addition to just HO trains. I am not sure of his exact location as he moved form his original spot, but I believe he is still in the downtown area.
     Bud
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Mar 21st, 2013, 6:08pm
Bud, Jimmy is a few doors down to the left of his old store, Right on the corner. I have bought alot of HO Lehigh Valley stuff from him, but have found a new store in Webster that has alot more, and I guess he and Jimmy grew up together and still hang out!
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 21st, 2013, 6:41pm
Bob, thanks for setting up the station tour! excellent!
 
No, I havent heard back from my contact at FGLK..
I will send out a follow-up email right now..
 
As long as someone is at the office (which I think there usually is on Saturdays) we shouldnt have any problems checking out the FGLK engine house area, even if I dont formally hear back..(but I will still attempt to make contact, since its the right thing to do..)
 
but either way, im not too concerned about it..
 
I like the idea of an early meet..I can be to the resturant by 9am! (probably not 8:00!
Station at 10:00..then FGLK yard..definately need to check out the LV signal bridge..
 
after that, I will probably have to leave, so im out of the loop after that!
we mentioned the PRR water tower..Auburn was thrown out as an idea..
its up to you guys!
 
Scot
Posted by: BlackDiamondRR Posted on: Mar 21st, 2013, 8:42pm
on Mar 21st, 2013, 6:08pm, mtcg16 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Bud, Jimmy is a few doors down to the left of his old store, Right on the corner. I have bought alot of HO Lehigh Valley stuff from him, but have found a new store in Webster that has alot more, and I guess he and Jimmy grew up together and still hang out!

 
 
   mtcg......What hobby shop in Webster? My niece lives there, I'll have to check it out this summer. I've been to Despatch Junction in East Rochester a few times, but was unaware of anything in Webster.  Yes, Jim Greco is a good guy, I usually see him at the Batavia train shows.
     Bud
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Mar 22nd, 2013, 6:25am
It's called Empire Trains, looks real small from the outside, on the left of Main street, Nice place.
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Mar 22nd, 2013, 8:55am
on Mar 22nd, 2013, 6:25am, mtcg16 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
It's called Empire Trains, looks real small from the outside, on the left of Main street, Nice place.

 
Yes.......Tim and Beth are first-class friendly people.
 
Amazing the selection they have on hand of LV items. I recommend them as well.
 
Nice availability of books too!
 
Charlie
Posted by: BlackDiamondRR Posted on: Mar 22nd, 2013, 6:52pm
mtcg,
    Thanks for the info in re: Empire Trains, a definite destination!
  Bud
 
 
 
 
on Mar 22nd, 2013, 6:25am, mtcg16 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
It's called Empire Trains, looks real small from the outside, on the left of Main street, Nice place.

Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Mar 22nd, 2013, 6:59pm
No problem! He has tons of LV loco's in HO and N scale, even has the Norfolk Southern LV haritige unit!!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2013, 2:27pm
on Mar 22nd, 2013, 8:55am, Charlie Ricker wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Yes.......Tim and Beth are first-class friendly people.
 
Amazing the selection they have on hand of LV items. I recommend them as well.
 
Nice availability of books too!
 
Charlie

 
I have to agree on Empire Trains. Went there for the 1st time today and walked out with 3 books. (This stash includes Rudy Garbely's new LV book.)  
 
Here is a proposed itinerary for the day:
 
8 AM -breakfast (stragglers can come at 9AM, if desired)
 
10 AM- station tour  
 
12 PM- Seneca Falls Branch
 
2 PM- Sampson
 
After that, I will probably have to return to Rochester. What do the rest of you think of my plan? Feel free to add later details if you plan to stay longer.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 23rd, 2013, 2:56pm
Hey everyone,
I have a T-shirt I would like to bring on "tour day" to give away..for free..
but here is the thing..its quite small!
Anyone have, or know of, a kid who would like a LV T-shirt?
It will fit about a 4 to 10 year old kid..
 
Its a nice shirt! says "East Coast Large Scale Train Show" on it, and has a Red LV flag right on the front..shirt is new, never worn, and small..
 
a friend of mine got it for me at the East coast Large Train Show a few years back, not realizing how small it was! if anyone knows of a kid who would like to have it, I will bring it to Geneva on tour day..
 
thanks,
Scot
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Mar 24th, 2013, 9:06am
Many thanks Bob for the work in the Geneva station tour. That was enough to set the hook in me. My brother Danny has also decided to make the trip from Allentown, so not sure if we will make the feed in the morning, but a meet at the station is a great idea, and should work for us. Thanks again Bob  for the work. And I wont be taking a swim this year!!    Keith Bednar
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 24th, 2013, 7:42pm
That is Outstanding news Keith! I was hoping the Station tour would bring some more people up!
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Mar 24th, 2013, 10:36pm
Hey Keith,
 
Very glad that both Danny and you are coming up for this. I was getting all ready to bring scuba gear for a dip in the Seneca Canal so we could see if anything was on the bottom! Water may be still too chilly!  
 
I'm fine with the proposed ideas--I'm not sure if there is a lot to see at Sampson is there? I really don't know. I'm not going to stray a long distance from Geneva, as I would like to stick around for Gil Mack's open house and movie show.
 
With me, I kinda have to play everything by ear anyway (which kinda SUCKS).
 
I am looking forward to seeing everyone again!
 
Charlie
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 25th, 2013, 6:54pm
Sampson isn't too far from Geneva- maybe 15 or 20 minutes away. It would be nice to see a surviving remnant of the LV main, as well as north end of the Black Diamond Trail (which is near there).  
 
Keith, I am glad to see you and Danny are coming. This should be a fun trip.
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Mar 25th, 2013, 7:55pm
Sounds great guys. It will be good to see everyone. I also talked with Bruce Tracy, one of the guys that did the book "When Railroads Went to The Beach". He said he would like to come along as well with another LV historian that spent many a day at Freeville station, Dan Armitage. These two guys are an amazing source of knowledge on the EC&N,SC,LV, Auburn railroad scene. So if you have any questions write them down. I do because I forget!!!!! Ha Ha  Both real good guys. Looking forward to it and THANKS!!!! Bob for setting it up.  Keith
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 25th, 2013, 10:35pm
Wow Keith, that sounds Great! I'd be honored to have those guys join us, feels like we will be among LV Royalty!  
 
Matt the itinerary sounds pretty good... We won't see too much of the SF Branch without bikes, but we can park at Barrett Marine and walk the turnout back onto the Ithaca Main bridge at Geneva Jct.  Sampson is about 20 minutes from there, and if you want to, the Black Diamond Trail (Taughannock Falls) is about another 20-25 minutes from there. I would be happy to point out the LV artifacts along the way- we would pass Gilbert Cut; then we would meet the Ithaca Passenger Main and follow right beside it, passing Sheldrake Srings, where there is still a large LV Bridge; Interlaken, and Trumansburg, recently featured in "Railroad Model Craftsman" magazine. Also there is still a high LV Bridge across the Trumansburg Creek Gorge, you can drive right under it. From there, Taughannock is 5 minutes away. The more I think about it, maybe we should do the Trumansburg ride first, since hiking around Sampson could be a problem for a few of the guys. Then if there's time, on the way back we could hit Sampson if we wanted, them go to Gil Mack's to end the day. Charlie, you could ride with me if you want, since I plan on going to Gil Mack's too. Matt, and Mark, you could too, if you don't have to leave too soon. Mostly I think we'll hash it out that day. It should be Fun!
 
Bob
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Mar 25th, 2013, 11:20pm
Do not mean to throw a wet blanket on the Sampson side trip, but at present one would be hard pressed to find many tracks on the old base unless one knew exactly where to look. Even with the lack of foliage in early April there would be a lot of bushwhacking through dense brush to locate what remains.
 
Was last at Sampson in the fall of 2010. At the time some tracks at the throat of the old troop train spurs remained as well as some switches. That was about all I found but I did not look too enthusiastically account the heavy brush and thorns of the wild rose plants. Of interest are the remains of the old asphalt troop train loading platforms still showing some yellow stripes.
 
 Haven't been over there since the 1990s, but on the south end of the park were remains of a huge coal pile and faint remnants of where the LVRR steam locos were serviced on the base between trips.  
 
There may well be tracks extant in the warehouse area but that is off limits to park visitors and surrounded by a high chain link fence.  
 
Was first on Sampson in 1973. At the time portions of a few structures remained as well as virtually all the tracks. Even the base locomotive shed still stood back then. The bumper post on the troop train spurs remained and steam lines still lay along the tracks there. All of this is gone.
 
Some of the spur into the base off the LVRR east of NYS Rt. 96A remains, but not much.  
 
Good luck hunting if you decide to go.
 
       PJT
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 26th, 2013, 12:23am
Paul, thanks for the input, I have thinking about asking you about Sampson since I know you've been back there somewhat recently. What was the best way to get to the tracks? did you park along the main entrance at the former RR Crossing and follow northward from there? Or maybe take the first right at the traffic circle, and go north to where the troop track spurs ended, in the area where the split in the road comes together (Nimitz Rd. on Bing Maps)? It looks accessible on Bing Maps, but I'm sure it's mighty brushy in there. I'm not sure which spur had the troop platforms. Thanks again, and too bad you can't join us; it seems we are going to have a very nice turnout this year.
 
Bob
 
 BTW, upon another look, it appears that, east of Rt. 96A, the tracks continue to, and include, the wye to the LVRR main, except the main switches into the wye, which are long gone. It also appears there are plenty of tracks and switches in the throat to the troop tracks, as you said.
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Mar 26th, 2013, 8:19am
Quote:
Some of the spur into the base off the LVRR east of NYS Rt. 96A remains, but not much.

 
Here is a shot of the spur looking eastward from 96A.......took this shot a couple years back.
 
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Mar 26th, 2013, 8:27am
Hey Bob,
 
I also would like to see Trumansburg...........especially after reading that article in RMC. I still can't get over what a great job was done on that layout--eventually I would like to see that layout for myself.
 
Thanks for the offer to ride along with you, I will likely take you up on that offer.
 
Charlie
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 26th, 2013, 7:47pm
Bob, I can see your point about hiking at Sampson. I agree that we should head to Trumansburg first, and make Sampson an option for later.  my schedule for the evening is still hazy at this point, but I should be good for the meet-up until 4 PM.  
 
To the Bednar brothers, thanks for joining us!
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Mar 26th, 2013, 10:36pm
K.......1:
 
The best way to the track remains on Sampson is via the Nimitz Road route you mention above. Park where the troop train track bumper posts were then follow the track bed back out towards the lead where there still should be some rail and switches remaining.
 
Follows are some photos taken at Sampson on 04 October 2010.  
 
The first is of the asphalt troop train platform remains.
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Mar 26th, 2013, 10:46pm
This photo is of the troop train track remains where they came off the lead.
 
There were four tracks dedicated to troop train use at Samson NTS and a total of 9.2 miles of track on the base.
 
One building near the troop train tracks was a bunk house where LVRR crews could get their rest.  
 
During the height of WWII, there were up to 3 troop trains a day in and out of Sampson.
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Mar 26th, 2013, 10:53pm
This photo is of the remains of the wye switch that is on the Sampson spur east of NYS Rt. 96A.  
 
Both legs of this wye are now gone.
 
There was another wye west of NYS Rt. 96A but this was removed long ago.
 
Good hunting.
Posted by: DElder Posted on: Mar 26th, 2013, 11:05pm
Hey guys:
Steve Peck is a friend from way back, and he's usually pretty open to showing his recreation of Trumansburg (featured in the recent RMC); and, he's located in Trumansburg.  If a decision is made to make the trek down there from Geneva, and if there's interest, I could forward an inquiry to see if he might be available and open to showing the railroad to the group.  Let me know ASAP, please.  (Would also be good if I had some idea of how big a group that you're anticipating, and a likely ETA, before I contact Steve.)
 
I've followed his progress on the T-burg project since I first started making an annual summer trip back east about 6 years ago, and I can vouch that the railroad looks better in person than in the pictures.  Steve is an incredibly talented craftsman.
 
You guys would have to promise that you'd be on your best behavior....no drooling all over Steve's fine work, right??  
   Doug Elder
 
Posted by: DElder Posted on: Mar 26th, 2013, 11:36pm
By the way, you guys are just killin' me on this thing.....Geneva depot tour, Keith and Danny, evening at Gil's, etc. etc.  Jeez, if I didn't have another event that weekend to attend out here in the snowy midwest (and if you guys could have strong-armed TB into agreeing to show up too!), I'd absolutely be on a plane headed back that way to join in!
 
Hope you have great weather and a great turnout!
   Doug  
 
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 27th, 2013, 1:08am
Hey Doug! Cancel that other event and come on back home for a weekend! Thanks for the "In" with Steve Peck, his work on the T-Burg site looks incredible! At this point, I'm not sure how many are going to make the trip down to Trumansburg after we leave Geneva, right now I feel like, for certain, myself and 2 others. I think the Bednar gang may follow us but not certain at this point. That would be 4 more, and there may be an additional few from the group that will come. So I would give an approximate headcount of anywhere from 3 to 10 or 12, that's my best approximate educated guess, at this point in time.  As for an arrival time there, that's tough to pin down other than Saturday afternoon I"m guessing 2-3 o'clock. If he's willing, you could send me his cell phone # in a P.M. so we could contact him when we are getting near his place. I am sure that the guys would enjoy seeing his handiwork!  
 
Thanks again,
 
Bob
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Mar 27th, 2013, 10:28am
A few months ago a good friend related that he had discovered a coal trestle west of Trumansburg on the old LVRR passenger main r/o/w that still contained tracks.
 
Something you folks may wish to look for.
 
Another area worth exploration would be Hyat Corners where the Willard branch left the passenger main. The station stood there as late as the early 1970s.
 
Would have traveled east for this meet-up but for previous commitment. My wife and I are flying into Buffalo in late April in order to attend a reunion of my NYARNG SF unit plus a memorial for lost comrades which will be held at the Niagara Falls AFB. I promised her "no railfanning' and we will not leave the Niagara Frontier. Only be back three days and I hope to cover the Niagara Gorge Youngstown-NF after the reunion as she has never seen most of it.
 
You folks have a great time and, who knows, I may be able to catch the next meet-up, Lord willing.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 27th, 2013, 11:09am
TB, The coal pockets at Trumansburg are still there, right by the old T-Burg station site. Not aware of tracks there, but it's possible. We shall see in a couple weeks. I've been up and down that line and that's the only coal facility that's still exists  that I can think of.
 
Enjoy the trip to Niagara Falls and vicinity. Lots there to see (including some former Lehigh Valley property, if you can slip it in!).  
 
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Mar 27th, 2013, 11:00pm
The way it was related, the rails remain either in or on the structure.
 
Thanks. Haven't been to the Falls and vicinity for several years. Heard that Amtrak may receive a new station to replace the converted Lehigh Valley Railroad freight house presently in use.
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Mar 28th, 2013, 7:41am
Quote:
You folks have a great time and, who knows, I may be able to catch the next meet-up, Lord willing.

 
Thanks Paul.......will be sure to take plenty of photos to share with you fellows that are unable to attend.
 
Charlie
Posted by: Henry Posted on: Mar 28th, 2013, 12:37pm
on Mar 27th, 2013, 11:00pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The way it was related, the rails remain either in or on the structure.
 
Thanks. Haven't been to the Falls and vicinity for several years. Heard that Amtrak may receive a new station to replace the converted Lehigh Valley Railroad freight house presently in use.

 
Amtrak is supposed to convert the old Customs House near the bridge to Canada into their new NF station.
 
Is 4/14 still the official date for the meet-up?
 
Henry
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Mar 28th, 2013, 2:33pm
Henry, it's Saturday April 6th......hope you can make it out!  
 
Charlie
Posted by: DElder Posted on: Apr 1st, 2013, 1:31am
I've heard back from Steve Peck, and he indicates that he'd be open to a visit from you folks to see the Trumansburg layout project if that could be scheduled for early-mid afternoon.  He's scheduled to give a talk on the project at Gil Mack's that evening, so those of you who may be attending that could then get a preview of the project that he'll be discussing that evening.  It's most definitely worth a visit if you guys can work it into your schedule!
 
Bob:  Please send me a PM to discuss some details regarding the visit to Steve's and contact info.  (I'm assuming that you're the unofficial "ring leader" of this group, but if not, let me know who I should be contacting.)
   Doug
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Apr 1st, 2013, 7:18pm
Doug,
 
Thanks again for contacting Steve Peck......greatly appreciated!
 
So far, the forecast looks decent for Saturday, partly cloudy and 50 degrees. Up here we'll gladly take that!  
 
Charlie
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 1st, 2013, 8:44pm
T'burg is looking really good! I'm think we should head there around 12 Noon so we can look at the coal pockets and station. That should give us enough to investigate the area before meeting with Steve Peck.  
 
Also, please make sure to send your contact information to either Kendaia1 (aka Bob) or myself if you haven't do so already. I'm going to print the list of contact names and info on Friday.
Posted by: DElder Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2013, 12:31am
Matthew:
Just a thought, but would encourage you guys to consider getting with Steve Peck if you're planning to poke around T-burg, as he's the definite authority on all things LV around that area, and particularly around where the depot used to be and the old coaling tower still stands.   He'd probably be more than happy to act as tour guide while you're in the area.  
 
Need to hear from you or Bob regarding making contact with Steve for a visit on Saturday.  (He's indicated that he's open to a visit, and frankly, I need get out of the middle of this and facilitate getting you folks who are setting this up talking with him directly.)  I have his contact info, but don't want to put that out to everyone, so would appreciate it if you or Bob would send me a PM so that I can pass that along.
 
Jeez, not being able to be there for all this is about killing me!  While I've seen Steve's great work first-hand several times, the Geneva depot tour alone would be well worth it for me!  Again, hope you guys have great weather and a great day!  
    Doug
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2013, 10:41am
Enjoy the Geneva passenger station tour.  
 
Be forewarned, however, that the interior of the structure has been modified over the years. Stopped by the station one day in the late 1980s and it appeared a contractor was in the process of constructing a second floor over the old waiting room area.
 
Very fortunate that the station was saved. Took this photo in the fall of 1980. The deterioration of the structure was advancing even then.  
 
Be most interested in reading reports of the station visit and of the rest of the get together.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2013, 11:18am
Any pictures of the track side of this time of shortly after con rail takeover?
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2013, 4:39pm
Meant to say "Or shortly after conrail takeover"
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2013, 8:14pm
on Apr 2nd, 2013, 12:31am, DElder wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Matthew:
Just a thought, but would encourage you guys to consider getting with Steve Peck if you're planning to poke around T-burg, as he's the definite authority on all things LV around that area, and particularly around where the depot used to be and the old coaling tower still stands.   He'd probably be more than happy to act as tour guide while you're in the area.  
 
Need to hear from you or Bob regarding making contact with Steve for a visit on Saturday.  (He's indicated that he's open to a visit, and frankly, I need get out of the middle of this and facilitate getting you folks who are setting this up talking with him directly.)  I have his contact info, but don't want to put that out to everyone, so would appreciate it if you or Bob would send me a PM so that I can pass that along.
 
Jeez, not being able to be there for all this is about killing me!  While I've seen Steve's great work first-hand several times, the Geneva depot tour alone would be well worth it for me!  Again, hope you guys have great weather and a great day!  
    Doug

 
Hi Doug, I'll send you my phone # shortly.
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2013, 11:11am
Here is a photo of the Geneva station taken in July, 1982.  
 
The tracks were not removed at this location until the following summer.
 
The final ConRail GV-1 passed the station the last week of June, 1978.
 
For a short time after 01 April 1976 ConRail m/o/w used a small office in the station.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2013, 4:41pm
Awesome Paul!! Thanks!
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2013, 4:44pm
Hey guys, can someone give me the address and name of the place we are meeting for breakfast before we head to the Geneva station? Thanks. I will only be able to do the station   Then i will need to be on my way. I hope someone gets pictures of the day to share with those of us who will not be able to make it all day!  
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2013, 5:08pm
Quote:
I think a good place to meet would be the Water St. Cafe. It's a Mom and Pop restaurant in Downtown Geneva, at 467 Exchange St. (Not Water St., beat's me). It's a straight shot south from exit 42; NY Rt. 14 becomes Exchange St. Parking is on the street. We can have some Coffee and Vittles if you like, then the LV Station is a 5 minute ride from there.

 
Here ya go, Mark--I copied part of Bob's post with the info.
 
Charlie
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2013, 6:36pm
Thanks Charlie!!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2013, 8:27pm
on Apr 3rd, 2013, 5:08pm, Charlie Ricker wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Here ya go, Mark--I copied part of Bob's post with the info.
 
Charlie

 
I've eaten there before- the food is quite good. This will be an excellent place to meet.  
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Apr 4th, 2013, 7:09am
Matt,
Add another to the head count. Was scheduled to work my day off but my supervisor saw how much I wanted to do this get together so she gave me the time off! YEAH! However that can be rescinded if someone calls in sick.
Will post here around 7:15 AM or as soon as I get the dreaded text Saturday if that's the case.
Chris
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 4th, 2013, 10:01pm
That's good news, Chris. I look forward to seeing you again.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 4th, 2013, 10:48pm
Spoke tonight with Steve Peck, and told him I really didn't think we would get down to T-Burg much before 1-2 PM, after seeing the Geneva Station and tramping around Geneva Jct. , and he was fine with that. We will contact him Saturday when we are on our way there. We will go first to his place to see the Trumansburg Layout, then he will give us a tour of the actual site. It is going to be a Good Day!
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 5th, 2013, 1:17pm
I havent heard back from FGLK! odd..
(there was some discussion in this thread recently about new management, that could have something to do with it..the guy im trying to reach might not be there anymore! )
 
but still, probably wont be an issue..we will just stop in at the office and ask, same as usual..
 
(Just FYI for the group (and anyone listening in) I will be leaving early (after Geneva) to go and help staff the annual Spring Garden Railroad display my G-gauge club will be running at Bristols Garden Center in Victor..if you are heading back to Rochester that way before 4pm, stop in!) (The G-gauge display will also be running on Sunday)
 
See you at the restaurant in the morning!  
 
Scot
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 5th, 2013, 3:28pm
Checked in with the Geneva Station owner today just to confirm our appointment, and all is good. Please remember to pull up the driveway right onto the station platform and park up on the old r.o.w.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 5th, 2013, 8:26pm
I think we are all systems go for tomorrow morning! See ya'll there.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 6th, 2013, 6:05pm
Thanks to everyone for getting together today, I had a great time, met some new very nice people, wish I could have stayed longer. Please post pictures when you can!   Until next time...............................
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 6th, 2013, 8:37pm
Yep, another great tour! thanks for coming out everyone!  
(for the 3rd annual tour, we had thirteen participants! lucky 13 for 2013)
I will post my photos this year! give me a week or so..
meanwhile, from about 100 years ago:
 

 

 
Scot
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Apr 6th, 2013, 9:12pm
1902 Genoa Quad showing falls,,,,
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 6th, 2013, 9:37pm
Scott, did not see you at Bristols, stopped by hoping to see your LV unit run. Have never seen that picture of Geneva Station before. May i borrow it for my Then and now album? I will give you credit of course! Great seeing you today!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 7th, 2013, 6:01pm
Thanks to all who participated. I recently fired up my Flckr account again, so please view the pics there:  
 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/32990771@N04/sets/72157633189319246/
 
All photos taken by me Saturday 4/6/2013 in Geneva, NY. Enjoy!!!
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Apr 7th, 2013, 7:09pm
Nice photos bud........thanks much for posting that. Wish I could have been there--will get back on track and hope to make the next meet-up.
 
Charlie
Posted by: lehigh310 Posted on: Apr 7th, 2013, 8:45pm
This was my first time attending, and it was terrific! Met some great people, got to explore some areas of the LV I had never seen before...I even got slightly sunburned! (Yes, March is barely over with and it's already time for me to wear sunscreen - love my fair skin.) Thanks to all who worked on setting this up, and I am looking forward to next year!
 
-Aric
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 8th, 2013, 8:57pm
on Apr 7th, 2013, 7:09pm, Charlie Ricker wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Nice photos bud........thanks much for posting that. Wish I could have been there--will get back on track and hope to make the next meet-up.
 
Charlie

 
You're welcome, Charlie.  
 
I am looking forward to the pictures from Trumansburg. I had to leave early for personal reasons. (For those curious about the latter- it turned out MUCH better than I expected, so I'm OK.)    
Posted by: lehigh310 Posted on: Apr 8th, 2013, 9:25pm
Here goes my first attempt at posting a photo...
 
Mid-afternoon brought us to Trumansburg and a visit to Steve Peck. Steve has built an HO scale diorama of the LV and surrounding area in Trumansburg, and it has to be seen to be believed...it is incredible! My slightly dark and not-to-sharp photo of Steve's model of the Trumansburg depot does not do it justice.
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Apr 8th, 2013, 9:52pm
on Apr 7th, 2013, 8:45pm, lehigh310 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
This was my first time attending, and it was terrific! Met some great people, got to explore some areas of the LV I had never seen before...
 
-Aric

I'll second that, Aric.
Thanks to Bob for guiding us along the ROW from Geneva to Taughannock Falls.
Here's a photo from just south of Geneva Junction.
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Apr 8th, 2013, 9:57pm
A photo from Steve Peck's layout for Matt.  What an impressive layout.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 7:42am
The layout photo's look awesome, did anyone take any more?
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 1:40pm
I took a few shots. However my camera is a cheapo so you get what you pay for. Many thanks to Steve for the tour. Also to Bob for doing all the leg work. Danny and I had a long but real good day.  Keith Bednar
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 1:48pm
I guess you could tell I like the PA's the best. Here is another shot of Steve's layout. Keith
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 1:52pm
One more.
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 2:02pm
You really have got to see this and hear the story from Steve as to how he did it. It is really amazing. He must have 100's of hours into the project.
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 2:12pm
I will post one more then let it up to someone that has a real camera!!  Keitth
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 2:31pm
Here is the real coal shed. My back would have been to the station. I am about standing on the main line here.  Keith
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 5:42pm
Nice pictures Keith, wish I could have seen the layout!!
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 8:06pm
on Apr 9th, 2013, 5:42pm, mtcg16 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Nice pictures Keith, wish I could have seen the layout!!

You didn't miss your only chance.  Steve said to look him up as the "Wood Doctor" in Trumansburg.  He's pretty anxious to share what he knows and what he's done with the layout.  If you get a copy of the February "Railroad Model Craftsman" magazine, you would find more there.
 
Here's one more view of Gil Mack's Tiger Valley Lines.  He started on it in 1973, when he built his octagon house around it.  His emphasis is more on locomotive models, leaning toward Alco and Baldwin.  I heard the video session ended at 9:30 PM, for lack of contributors.
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 8:18pm
Signage at Taughannock Falls indicates another segment of the Lehigh Valley is being made into a hiking trail, between the State Park and Ithaca.
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 8:25pm
While we checked out the trestles that are now part of trails around Taughannock Falls, I noticed a bridge abutment closer to the parking area.  I caught Steve at Gil Mack's before his presentation and asked about it.  He said it may have been a spur to a power station near the creek.
Posted by: lehigh310 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 8:30pm
Here are some more pics of the layout, although I don't have a real camera either...I'm surprised my shots came out as good as they did.
 
This is one end of the Trumansburg diorama, which Steve has integrated into the rest of his layout:
Posted by: lehigh310 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 8:32pm
And all the way down by the two guys in the back is the other end:
Posted by: lehigh310 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 8:40pm
Here's an overview of the station area. Across the tracks from the station is the model of the coal dock that Keith posted a picture of above:
Posted by: lehigh310 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 8:47pm
It really is an amazing piece of work:
Posted by: lehigh310 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 8:52pm
True to its nature, the Black Diamond was moving too fast for me to get it in focus as it approached T-burg:
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 8:55pm
Nice shots, gents! That layout is a work of art.  
Posted by: lehigh310 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 9:05pm
As if the layout inside the house wasn't enough, Steve also has this railroady decoration outside his house (and yes, the lights work!):
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 9:24pm
I have one in my back yard too, The lights came off the Lehigh Valley swamp road grade crossing in Victor when they were upgraded. Here is a picture of it. Notice my wife's reaction when she came home and found it put up in the back yard, and it flashes, just like the real thing. She loves it now though.
Posted by: DElder Posted on: Apr 9th, 2013, 10:07pm
Sounds like you guys had a good day....thanks for posting pictures, and please them coming!
 
If you're  still wanting to see more of Steve Peck's incredible work, check out his T-burg project website at the following for more great photos (and/or, if you can still find a copy, check out his cover article with all the background/history on the project in the January 2013 Railroad Model Craftsman magazine):
 
http://www.miniloco.com/lehigh
 
mtcg16:  If you're located anywhere around central NY, and really do want to get a look at Steve's layout in person, send me a PM and we can see about setting up a visit some evening when I'm back in NY during early August.  I usually try to arrange to spend an evening with Steve while I'm there.  Steve is a very gracious host, always up for chatting about the LV, and as stated above, he's typically happy to show off the T-burg project to us "serious" (Ha!) LV fans, historians, and modelers.
   Doug
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 10th, 2013, 6:21am
Doug, I live in Farmington, Thanks for the offer!
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Apr 13th, 2013, 11:59am

Here are my pictures from 4/6/13 (forgive my fascination with odd architectural details remnants along the ROW's):
 
https://picasaweb.google.com/104055698623868450671/130406LehighMeetup?authkey=Gv1sRgCLbllZbEo7u55wE
 
It was good seeing you guys, and glad folks made the journey in from out of town.
 
Special thanks to Bob for setting things up with Bob Fitzgerald and Steve Peck, not to mention the stops along the way to Trumansburg!
 
Ken
 
p.s. anyone up for checking out the Pennsy from Stanley to Phelps, or hiking/biking other rails-to-trails, let's start a new thread or msg me
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2013, 4:28pm
Nice shots, Ken. Is that Pepsi can as old as I think it is?
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 13th, 2013, 5:21pm
Great pictures Ken!! Borrowing a few for my model railroads facebook album!
Posted by: LV319 Posted on: Apr 13th, 2013, 5:27pm
Nice pictures, everyone.  I was unable to attend due to work, so thanks for sharing the experience.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Jul 3rd, 2013, 10:54am
Steve Peck's "Wood Doctor" business has burned to the ground while he was away on vacation. Thankfully the terrific scale layout of Trumansburg is safe in the house next door. But Steve has a long rebuild ahead after the loss of his business.
 
http://www.ithacajournal.com/article/20130702/NEWS01/307020057/1124/
Posted by: DElder Posted on: Jul 3rd, 2013, 12:06pm
Would add that the property was not insured due to the extremely high rates for shops with onsite refinishing, so this is quite obviously a financially devastating situation.  Steve's daughters have established a donation site to assist with the rebuild.  If you know Steve and/or his incredible modeling work, and would be interested in contributing to the cause, I've included the site link below.  (Hopefully I'm not violating any forum rules by including this, but considering the circumstances here, and all that Steve has contributed to the hobby and to preserving memories of the Lehigh Valley, I thought that it would be appropriate....)
 
www.gofundme.com/wooddoctor
 
Thanks gang!
   Doug
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Jul 3rd, 2013, 3:13pm
Doug, this link is more than welcome to stay here and I'm glad you posted it. I was glad to help and it looks like it's already doing well at just over $6,000 now. I am absolutely heart-broken for Steve.  
 
Thank God for all the support of other great people!  
 
<LV>
 
Charlie
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Jul 16th, 2013, 9:12am
Benefit on 7/27, food & music, details at that same link:http://www.gofundme.com/wooddoctor
 
On another note, came across this interesting shot of Rochester Junction on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/RPPC-NY-Rochester-Junction-Depot-Railroad-Train-Station-Depot-Flood-Monroe-Co-/310706917851?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item48579351db  Note the tower on the left, and compare to birds-eye view of the area now.
 
Check out the sellers other items- more on the Jct, Naples... Hojack, R&E (including one labeled "Naples" but it's Victor- sent them a msg.)  Lot of cool stuff.  Out of my price range though!
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Oct 10th, 2013, 12:10am
on Mar 3rd, 2013, 9:48pm, LV LOU wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 No idea..May be recovering from surgery,LOL!![Well,not really LOL,but,what can I do..]
Hmmm..just went back to look through this thread,Yep,did end up in surgery..After problems for two decades,ended up getting FOUR BYPASSES June 25th..Had four blockages,100%,97%,97%,and a 93%..ALL of my health problems I've had since the 80's are gone,except arthritis.My doctor is stumped..
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Oct 10th, 2013, 7:31pm
on Oct 10th, 2013, 12:10am, LV LOU wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 Hmmm..just went back to look through this thread,Yep,did end up in surgery..After problems for two decades,ended up getting FOUR BYPASSES June 25th..Had four blockages,100%,97%,97%,and a 93%..ALL of my health problems I've had since the 80's are gone,except arthritis.My doctor is stumped..

 
Since you've recovered, maybe you can join us next year?  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Jan 20th, 2014, 8:42pm
It's just 2 months till the 1st day of spring, so the time has come to start thinking about the next meet-up. There has been some discussion of 2 different locations: greater Buffalo and Sayre. I like both ideas, so let's put it to a vote. Which location should we visit?
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Jan 20th, 2014, 8:55pm
My vote's for Sayre!  
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Jan 20th, 2014, 9:03pm
Matt,,
 
I am open to either at this point. BTW, Sayre is almost to Steamtown.
 
I am probably only going to be available the first two Saturday's in April.
 
John S
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Jan 20th, 2014, 10:09pm
Sayre!
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jan 20th, 2014, 11:04pm
Buffalo was the main original choice for this year..
then some have mentioned Sayre..Im fine with either!
(I was born in Sayre! Waverly Sayre & Athens is my hometown, (that wasnt a typo)..
so I could show people around!
 
But I actually prefer Buffalo for this year..and Sayre for a future visit..
why? consider this..In only two more years, 2016, it will be the 40th Anniversary of the LV's last Spring of existence..*that* would be the year to visit Sayre!  
And with the 2-year advance notice, I bet we get quite the large group to come to Sayre from all over..Tour the Museum in the Station, we could try to arrange a visit to the yard, etc..
 
just a thought..
If we are collecting votes, I vote for Buffalo for this year, and Sayre for 2016.
 
Scot
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Jan 21st, 2014, 12:34am
Scot, I wasn't sure if Buffalo was a done deal yet, so  I threw the Sayre idea out there. Didn't occur to me that 2016 will be the 40th year since the LV's last year. I agree that would probably be a good time to tour Sayre, and we would most likely get a very good turnout . Buffalo this year would be fine with me too.
 
So, 2014 Buffalo area
      2015 ?
      2016 Sayre
 
Someone with knowledge of the area needs to help out with sites we can visit. Is there anything LV left to see at Tifft Terminal? Is there access to Niagara Junction? Williamsville Station is restored, with a LV Caboose on  site, I believe. I know it's not LV but would there be interest in Central Terminal perhaps? Suggestions and Ideas Gents?
 
Bob
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Jan 21st, 2014, 8:02am
I'm definitely game for the Buffalo area this year and Sayre for 2016. Maybe for next year (2015) we could give consideration to the Scranton/Coxton/Mountain Top area? And maybe a side-stop at Steamtown? More food for thought but either way I'm happy.
 
Either way I'm excited to meet up again, I missed the fun last year and I'm chomping at the bit.
 
Charlie
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Jan 21st, 2014, 9:25am
I like the 2016 Sayre idea.  If that becomes the plan, maybe us folks coming from the north could coordinate stops along the way down or back.  Ex. last summer I followed the line from Sayre to Van Etten Jct.
 
Tossing it out there for 2015 (or this year if not Buffalo,) there are plenty of branches w/ existing structures and stations to see like Naples, Auburn, etc.
 
Ken
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Jan 21st, 2014, 9:41am
Due to the situation of my mother, whom I am now caring for 8 hours daily, I doubt I will be able to go anywhere too far this year, I may have to skip out this time, we will see.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jan 21st, 2014, 6:24pm
Ideas for Buffalo:
 
LV specific:
- Williamsville - LV depot and beautifully restored LV caboose.
- Tifft Terminal - Nature preserve (site of LV barge canals) and the bridge over tracks.
- Hamburg - perhaps a Buffalo Southern visit? operating LV Alco S2 is there.
- Eden - a non-operating LV Alco S2.
- If time or location fits the schedule, Wendys for lunch at the Dingens engine terminal.
(nothing to see there, no trace of the LV..but it's the site of the LV East Buffalo engine terminal and passenger station..timing probably wont work though to get over to that area around lunchtime, so that idea probably wont work out..)
 
Those are all the LV-specific things I can think of..
other ideas:
 
- Hamburg - visiting the PRR Hippo is a must!
- CP draw?
- If anyone knows of any good NS or CSX spots to visit, that would be good.
- Buffalo Terminal? if it happens to be open. (or even if its not, can check out the outside)
- There is a very impressive gigantic CP 4-8-4 just across the river at Fort Erie, if people have their passports or NY enhanced licenses..(traffic over the bridge could be a hassle though..and we will probably have more than enough to do without leaving US soil..but im just throwing it out there..)
- I think the WNYRHS Buffalo Creek Alco HH660 is visitable "out in the open" (as opposed to being buried deep in a freight yard and inaccessible)
- I have been wanting, for decades, to find B&P SD45's in Buffalo! haven't been successful yet, and time is running short for them..(just a personal one there!
- If time permits, Medina RR museum and NYC E-units on the way home..or on the way out.
 
other ideas welcome!  
Scot
 
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Jan 21st, 2014, 6:35pm
Great ideas Scot.........and thanks very much for answering a question I was wondering the other day, whether the PRR I-1 hippo was still around. I'm glad it is because seeing that would be great!  
 
Charlie
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Jan 21st, 2014, 7:26pm
What is a Hippo??
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jan 21st, 2014, 8:22pm
And Sayre doesnt have to be off the table!
we can vote on it..
 
on Jan 21st, 2014, 7:26pm, mtcg16 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
What is a Hippo??

 
"Hippo" was (and still is) the nick-name for a PRR I1s class Decopod.
They were the largest class of 2-10-0 Decopods ever built..An amazing 598 members of the class were built..One survives today, in Hamburg, on the south side of Buffalo.
 
http://www.trainweb.org/wnyrhs/4483Frame1Source1.htm
 

 
The Hippos were famous among PRR Steam, and in Western NY.
They were among the last PRR steamers running, some of which were hauling coal on the PRR Elmira Branch up to Sodus Bay as late as 1957.
 
Scot
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Jan 21st, 2014, 8:33pm
on Jan 21st, 2014, 6:24pm, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ideas for Buffalo:
 
LV specific:
- Williamsville - LV depot and beautifully restored LV caboose.
- Tifft Terminal - Nature preserve (site of LV barge canals) and the bridge over tracks.
- Hamburg - perhaps a Buffalo Southern visit? operating LV Alco S2 is there.
- Eden - a non-operating LV Alco S2.
- If time or location fits the schedule, Wendys for lunch at the Dingens engine terminal.
(nothing to see there, no trace of the LV..but it's the site of the LV East Buffalo engine terminal and passenger station..timing probably wont work though to get over to that area around lunchtime, so that idea probably wont work out..)
 
Those are all the LV-specific things I can think of..
other ideas:
 
- Hamburg - visiting the PRR Hippo is a must!
- CP draw?
- If anyone knows of any good NS or CSX spots to visit, that would be good.
- Buffalo Terminal? if it happens to be open. (or even if its not, can check out the outside)
- There is a very impressive gigantic CP 4-8-4 just across the river at Fort Erie, if people have their passports or NY enhanced licenses..(traffic over the bridge could be a hassle though..and we will probably have more than enough to do without leaving US soil..but im just throwing it out there..)
- I think the WNYRHS Buffalo Creek Alco HH660 is visitable "out in the open" (as opposed to being buried deep in a freight yard and inaccessible)
- I have been wanting, for decades, to find B&P SD45's in Buffalo! haven't been successful yet, and time is running short for them..(just a personal one there!
- If time permits, Medina RR museum and NYC E-units on the way home..or on the way out.
 
other ideas welcome!  
Scot
 

 
OK, since the votes are leaning in favor of Buffalo... I will contact the WNYRHS to to arrange a visit to the depot in Williamsville.  
 
Speaking of the WNYRHS, the HH660 is very fitting, since BCK was jointly owned by LV and Erie/EL.  
 
The Tifft nature preserve is also a good idea, since it is next to CSX Track 17 (a surviving LV yard track!) and what appears to be the base for a water tower/tank. The preserve is pretty much open all year long, so it will be easy to visit.    
 
The former LV S2s will be a bit harder. They are both in storage at Hamburg- #105 is stored serviceable and #107 is derelict. I can contact BSOR to see if we can look at the S2s, but they don't usually operate on Saturdays. We should get permission to enter there, as BSOR's office and shops are in the Great Lakes Concrete plant facility.  
 
CP Draw is another good idea. The active bridge and track are both former BCK... and the joint LV/N&W trains did cross it 40 years ago. The bridge can be viewed from the former DL&W embankment at the east end of Red Jacket Park.  
 
B&P could be really tough. GWI generally doesn't like visitors on the property. Sorry about that.  
 
Another place we could visit would be Niagara Falls.  We could go to the former LV yard and/or the former LV building currently being used by Amtrak as a station.
 
What do the rest of you think?
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jan 22nd, 2014, 9:14am
Sounds good to me Matt!
 
Scot
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jan 23rd, 2014, 4:22pm
basically the same??
how about *exactly* the same!  
I can tell by the placement of the various power lines/poles/structures that you very carefully lined up everything exactly, and found the spot where the original photographer was standing within a matter of mere feet..well done!
 
Scot
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Jan 23rd, 2014, 8:23pm
OK, I'm bringing my walking boots with me.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Jan 23rd, 2014, 8:26pm
Next item of business: which Saturday? Either 4/5 or 4/12 work for me.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jan 23rd, 2014, 10:07pm
4/5 or 4/12 work for me as well..
 
Scot
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Jan 25th, 2014, 12:54am
Buffalo/Rochester is just a little too far for me for one day anymore.Almost ten hours up/back..I'd be up for Sayre or anything closer..Also,there's a big R&N train ride locally a few weeks later,just don't have the cash to do both..
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Jan 27th, 2014, 10:48am
Whenever/wherever  you guys decide to go, count me in. I also think I may be able to talk my little brother in for another trip. We had a great time last year!  Keith
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Jan 27th, 2014, 4:36pm
on Jan 23rd, 2014, 8:26pm, Matthew_L wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Next item of business: which Saturday? Either 4/5 or 4/12 work for me.

 
Either day works fine with me, Matt
 
Charlie
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Jan 31st, 2014, 9:50pm
OK, I think we will go with Saturday 4/5/2014 for the 4th annual edition of A Walk With The Lehigh Valley RR. I will contact the WNYRHS soon to set up our visit.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Feb 1st, 2014, 9:02am
Thanks Matt!
looks like it's coming together!  
 
Ive been thinking where we should all meet..
"an easy to get to" central location in the Rochester area, with breakfast potential, and a safe place where people can leave cars, because im sure it would make sense to do some carpooling..
I have one idea so far:
 
1. Marketplace Mall in Henrietta..Very easy for our Pennsylvania friends to find..No diner really, (that I know of) but there is a Starbucks in the middle of the mall..could grab some coffee/bagel/muffin type things..then we could carpool, leave some cars behind, and hop right on the thruway for Buffalo..
 
other suggestions welcome!
 
thanks,
Scot
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Feb 2nd, 2014, 11:11pm
The 4/5/14 date is good with me. If any of our attendees from more southern/eastern locations who might not be all that familiar with the way to our meeting point would like to meet me around the Geneva area and either 1- follow me up to Rochester, or 2- carpool up there, let me know. It doesn't really make sense for everyone to drive the whole way.  
 
Matt, thanks for getting the ball rolling this time.
 
Looking forward to another fun day!
 
 
Bob
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2014, 6:19am
Thanks for the pictures Paul!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 3rd, 2014, 8:55pm
OK, how about a RR-themed place to meet for breakfast? I suggest we meet at the D&R Depot in Leroy, NY. It is a former B&O/BR&P depot that sits next to the Rochester & Southern RR and has great food. D&R Depot is maybe 5 or 10 minutes south of the Thruway, so it's not too far off the beaten path. A Tops grocery store is nearby- the cars not being driven to Buffalo could be left there safely.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 6th, 2014, 8:47pm
Good news! I have arranged for a tour of the Williamsville depot on Saturday 4/5. By coincidence, our host is having a fundraiser dinner for the depot that afternoon, so the tour must be in the morning. Can we all get there by 9 or 10 AM?
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 8th, 2014, 11:14pm
Here is a proposed itinerary for our 4th annual edition of A Walk With The Lehigh Valley RR.  
 
8:00 AM- meet for breakfast in either Leroy or Henrietta.  
 
10:00 AM- tour of ex-LV depot in Williamsviile  
 
12 Noon- check out ex-BCK HH660 in Hamburg, NY  (I have found out where she is stored)  
 
1:00 PM- visit Tifft Nature Preserve (formerly Tifft terminal)  
 
3:30 PM- visit ex-LV building now used as Amtrak station in Niagara Falls  
 
Any thoughts on this schedule? All in favor say "Aye" please.  
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Feb 8th, 2014, 11:31pm
Matt,
that sounds great! im in!  
There are also two LV Alco S2's in Hamburg..not sure if we will be able to visit them though..
and the "Hippo"..(no problem visiting that)..We can work them in when we are in the Hamburg area..
 
If we have time and the light holds, there is also Medina on the way back..Museum will probably be closed by then, but we can check out the E-units..
 
Also if time allows, I would love to visit CP Draw..I undertsnad there is a public park right next to it..I have seen SK draw from a distance, but I have never been "up close and personal"..That could maybe fit in right after Tifft and before Niagara Falls..
 
And I like your D&R depot idea in Leroy for the meeting place..
sounds like a cool trip!  
 
Scot
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Feb 9th, 2014, 9:00am
This all sounds good to me, Fellas. Thanks Matt for setting it up and all of you have great ideas for things to do.  
 
Charlie
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Feb 9th, 2014, 10:54am
Aye to the meeting place and aye to the breakfast spot. Thanks for allowing this old coot to come along!!  Keith
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 10th, 2014, 8:33pm
Old coot I don't think so, Keith. You are our living connection to the LV, and I think can safely speak for the whole group by saying we are honored to have you with us.  
 
Scott- I like your suggestion for CP Draw. I'll need some time to think about it, but there's probably a way to rearrange our schedule to accomodate it. A couple of key factors to keep in mind:
 
1. Our host for Williamsville has his fundraiser in the afternoon, so we really need to get there by 10 AM at the latest.  
 
2. I am trying to time our visit to the Niagara Falls so we can be there when Amtrak's Maple Leaf arrives. The train is named in honor of LV, so I figure it's a good fit for our trip.  
 
The question is: how long do we want to spend at either Tifft or CP Draw? I'm figuring the Williamsville depot tour take about 1 hour, the HH660 will take about 30 minutes and Niagara Falls will also be about 30 minutes. Once we figure out how much time we want to spend at Tifft and/or CP Draw, the pieces should fall into place.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 11th, 2014, 8:47pm
I've been checking the Maple Leaf's schedule for Niagara Falls. Eastbound #64 arrives around 12:30 PM and westbound #63 pulls in at 4:21 PM on the current schedule. I think we could squeeze in CP Draw pretty quickly if we choose to see #63 on 4/5.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 17th, 2014, 8:15pm
A couple of updates for the 4th annual edition of A Walk With The Lehigh Valley RR:
 
1. Unless someone seriously objects, I am going to call our host tomorrow and let him know that will arrive at the depot at 10 AM EDT on Saturday 4/5.  
 
2. Our breakfast and rendezvous point shall be the D&R Depot in Leroy, NY. Their website http://www.dandrdepot.com/ includes a menu and a link to a map. BTW, this is what the depot looks like:
 

 
Photo taken by me Saturday 2/15/2014 in Leroy, NY. The Rochester & Southern RR line (formerly B&O/BR&P) next to the depot is active, although trains rarely pass there in the morning.  
 
Meet-up time at D&R depot shall be 8 AM EDT on Saturday 4/5.
Posted by: firstbelt Posted on: Feb 18th, 2014, 7:38pm
While you're in the area, there is a Old Red Mill Inn, 8326 Main Street/Rt 5 in Williamsville, NY, which has some rolling stock as part of the restaurant.  NYC wood caboose, 19682, plus one or two passenger cars.
 
http://crcaboose.railfan.net/predecessor.htm
 
While visiting the Lehigh Valley depot museum, I walked the "Memory Trail."  People plant trees and shrubs in memory of loved ones.  I was amused to see a marker with my name (almost) on it.  ("Reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated.")
 
http://www.scout.me/lehigh-memory-trail--near--buffalo-ny/e-11538773
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 18th, 2014, 7:59pm
I called our host today and left him a voice mail to let him know we will be arriving at the Williamsville depot at 10 AM on Sat 4/5. Our host also sent me a letter last week, requesting a head count for our visit. He'll provide us with coffee and tea. Therefore, please let me know if you will be attending by E-mailing me via mistersnoozer@yahoo.com  
 
Also, there will be a spaghetti dinner at a church in Cheektowaga on Sat 4/5 to raise funds for the Williamsville depot. If you are interested in attending, please let me know. Tickets must be purchased in advance for the dinner, which will be held from 4 PM to 7 PM.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 20th, 2014, 8:24pm
Thanks to who have contacted me so far. The sooner any interested parties confirm via E-mail, the better. I'm trying to get a head count together for our host and  D&R depot. I will be speaking to the folks at D&R soon regarding their policy for large groups.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Feb 21st, 2014, 6:20am
Due to everything going on in my life right now(My Mom's Health, unemployed, Ect) I am going to have to bow out of this years event. Hope you all have a good time, see you next year.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Feb 24th, 2014, 8:53pm
Mark, I'm sorry you can't make it.  
 
OK, here's a revision to the itinerary:
 
1. D&R depot @ 8 AM for breakfast.  
 
2. Williamsville depot @ 10 AM
 
3. Niagara Falls Amtrak station @ 12 Noon  (Amtrak #64 arrives @ 12:30 PM)
 
4. Hamburg @ 1:30 PM (to see the BCK HH660 and anything else we like)  
 
5. CP Draw @ 2:30 PM  
 
5. Tifft Nature Preserve @ 4:00 PM  
 
I think this schedule will work. Plus, it will give us time to attend the depot's fundraiser dinner, if anyone is interested.  
 
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 3rd, 2014, 8:06pm
Good news- we have formal reservations @ D&R depot for 8 AM on Saturday AM. I told them we will have approximately 10 people in our party.
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Mar 4th, 2014, 8:25pm
on Mar 3rd, 2014, 8:06pm, Matthew_L wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Good news- we have formal reservations @ D&R depot for 8 AM on Saturday AM. I told them we will have approximately 10 people in our party.

 
Thanks Matt for getting things all lined up for us.......Mark, sorry you won't be able to make the meet-up this year.
 
A month from tomorrow.......time's moving quick. I'm psyched about seeing everyone this year. I just hope the darned weather warms up some time soon!
 
 Charlie
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Mar 4th, 2014, 8:38pm
Hopefully next year. My Mom has gone from Bad to worse and I just can't be too far. Have fun all!! Take pictures please!!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 4th, 2014, 8:48pm
on Mar 4th, 2014, 8:25pm, Charlie Ricker wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Thanks Matt for getting things all lined up for us.......Mark, sorry you won't be able to make the meet-up this year.
 
A month from tomorrow.......time's moving quick. I'm psyched about seeing everyone this year. I just hope the darned weather warms up some time soon!
 
 Charlie

 
You're welcome Charlie. Another location came to mind, as well. Who wants to walk the Lehigh Trail in Cheektowaga? It is a segment of the former LV main that is now a paved trail.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 10th, 2014, 7:58pm
I ran into some nice folks at the recent R&GVRRM dinner who might be interested in joining our trip to greater Buffalo, If so, please contact me via mistersnoozer@yahoo.com by Saturday 3/29 so I can have an accurate head count for our host at Williamsville.
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Mar 17th, 2014, 1:39pm
Won't be able to make it this year. Too tough to try to get two Saturdays off and am not even sure I get the first one off either. Plus am taking extra vacation time off for son's wedding and had the foresight to take an extra week off in February.  
 
Mark, sorry to hear about your mother, my condolences.  
 
 Re: Rochester meet-up
   
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 basically the same??  
 how about *exactly* the same!    
 I can tell by the placement of the various power lines/poles/structures that you very carefully lined up everything exactly, and found the spot where the original photographer was standing within a matter of mere feet..well done!  
   
 Scot  
 
Is there a post or two missing here?  Have not really been able to check in on this website nor the railroad.net (NYS railfan) since last June.  
 
Also my apologies for not having uploading and posting last year's trip especially the group picture. -trouble with uploading when Goggle went from Picasaweb to Google+. Takes forever now to upload.
 And Ken, how do you copy and PASTE the captions onto your pictures??  
Loved the picture of me standing on the van roof and would like a copy of that as June, after 15 years, had to trade it in. Too expensive to repair. (Wife wants a copy for scrapbooking....)
 
Can anyone give me a step by step on how to upload a Window Media Video onto here?? Thanks.  
 
So folks, have a good time, be safe and take pictures!!!  
 
Chris
 
Oh yeah, sorry this is long winded and also do you guys from last year's trip still want me to upload and post pictures from last year??
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 18th, 2014, 8:17pm
Our host has been kind enough to send me information about the spaghetti dinner to raise funds for the Willaimsville depot.
 
Time: 4 PM to 7 PM  EDT
 
Location: Cleveland Heights Christian Church
4774 Union Road
Cheektowaga, NY  
 
Adult tickets; $9 each
Children 6 to 12: $5 each
Children 5 and under: free
 
Dinner includes all the spaghetti you can eat, 2 meatballs, salad. bread/butter, coffee, tea, milk and dessert. Additional meatballs are $0.50 each.  
 
Please contact me if you are interested in attending the dinner- I don't want to give out our host's phone # in public without permission. I will probably just donate money, since I think our crew will be out till dark that day.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 29th, 2014, 1:13pm
Helle everyone, I'm getting excited because the 4th annual edition of A Walk With The Lehigh Valley RR is one week from today. Hopefully, the weather will be cooperative. (Yeah, I'm an optimist on that one.)
 
If you plan to join us at either D&R Depot or the Williamsville Depot, please notify me by E-mail [b]today[/b if you have not done so already.  
 
I'm looking forward toseeing the group again, and exploring more of the LV.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 31st, 2014, 8:36pm
I have spoken to our host at Williamsville this evening. He is expecting about 10 of us on Saturday 4/5 at 10 AM. I have printed up some maps to help us find the locations we plan to visit. This si going to be alot of fun.  
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 31st, 2014, 10:24pm
Sounds great Matt!  
thanks for getting things organized for us, much appreciated!
Scot
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Apr 1st, 2014, 7:14am
on Mar 31st, 2014, 10:24pm, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Sounds great Matt!  
thanks for getting things organized for us, much appreciated!
Scot

 
I'll be happy to second that.............thank you!!
 
Charlie
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 1st, 2014, 7:46am
Have fun all, see you next year!
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Apr 1st, 2014, 6:52pm
Post lots of pics,guys!! Louie's working at a gun show this weekend,LOL!!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 1st, 2014, 8:23pm
There will be plenty of pics- I promise!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 1st, 2014, 8:26pm
on Mar 31st, 2014, 10:24pm, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Sounds great Matt!  
thanks for getting things organized for us, much appreciated!
Scot

 
on Apr 1st, 2014, 7:14am, Charlie Ricker wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I'll be happy to second that.............thank you!!
 
Charlie

 
 
Gents, you're welcome. I look forward to having the crew back together again.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2014, 8:26pm
Saturday's forecast is a high in the mid-40s and a slight chance of showers. I'm bringing boots just in case...
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Apr 6th, 2014, 9:34am
Good to see everyone yesterday!  Despite the weather we caught some good sights.  Williamsville station was great, and the caboose restoration impressive (and was fun with Keith's memories and info.)  Thanks Matthew_L for putting this all together- nice job!
 
Here are photos I took: http://kengardnerny.smugmug.com/140405meetup/
 
Trying SmugMug.com for the first time so it's a little rough, just the bulk pictures, and there's an annoying watermark I couldn't remove.  If there's anything anybody wants, shoot me an e-mail and I'll send the original.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 6th, 2014, 10:44am
Ken, could you please e-mail me the pictures with the LV caboose(Where was it anyhow) and the one of the O Scale Lehigh Valley Locomotives? my e-mail is marks22@rochester.rr.com Thanks my friend!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 6th, 2014, 8:57pm
Ken- you're welcome. I had a great time yesterday. Thanks to Ken, Scot, Bruce, Bob, Dan and Keith for attending. My pics should be up in a few days, including the caboose.
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 7th, 2014, 3:09am
Wow guys; I keep thinking you can't do better then last year but once again you did. Thanks Matt for the complete awesome day! Good to see all you guys again. I know brother Dan had a good time too. Sorry to see we missed a few guys, but I hope they can make the next trip. Sure do wish we had Paul T. along to explain some of the things I know he had answers to. Was real good to be "lost" for 2 days! Great time indeed.   Keith Bednar
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 7th, 2014, 9:21pm
Keith- it was my pleasure to organize this event. I was very happy to see you and your brother again.  
 
Buffalo is on the docket again for next year- that will also be my baby. Sayre will be in 2016 and that will be in Scott's hands.  
 
Another great thing about A Walk With The Lehigh Valley RR is the conversations we have. That means as much to me as the places we visit. I hope our adventures will continue for many years to come.    
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 10th, 2014, 7:37pm
As promised, here are my pics from 4th annual edition of A Walk With The Lehigh Valley RR.  
 
Stop #1 was a restored depot which sits next to the Niagara Branch YOW.
 

 
The depot has a nice stove, but the fire marshal won't let them use it.  
 

 
Most of the station's stained glass has been saved and restored.  
 

 
Restored signal:
 

 
Bruce, Dan, Keith and our host Art:
 

 
The station office looked very authentic (except for the TV):
 

 
Lantern:
 

 
Scottychaos at the ticket window:
 

 
All photos in this post were taken by me Saturday 4/5/2014 in Williamsville, NY.  
 
 
 
  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 10th, 2014, 7:44pm
Here are a few more shots from inside the station.
 
Vintage radio:
 

 
Typewriter in the office:
 

 
Telegraph:
 

 
This rotary phone still works!
 

 
In the work shop:
 

 
All photos in this post were taken by me Saturday 4/5/2014 in Williamsville, NY.  
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 10th, 2014, 7:50pm
Let's step outside.
 
A restored lamp post:
 

 
Former LV phone booth:
 

 
Now we're in the  restored LV caboose next to the depot. Keith worked in this caboose back in the day, and he told us a couple of stories.
 

 
Looking out the back of the caboose:
 

 
LV rule book in the caboose:
 

 
Emergency stop?
 

 
Our host Art tells us a story in the caboose:
 

 
All photos in this post were taken by me Saturday 4/5/2014 in Williamsville, NY.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 10th, 2014, 8:00pm
I was really enjoying the caboose. Keith's brother Dan and I got up into the cupola.
 

 
Looking SE from the cupola:
 

 
Looking NW from the cupola:
 

 
Cook stove in the caboose:
 

 
Coal shovel in the caboose:
 

 
Cap and lantern in the caboose:
 

 
Here is our crew. A special thanks goes Art to Art's wife for taking the pic.
Top row: our host Art
2nd row: Scottchaos and Bob aka Kendaia1  
3rd row: yours truly and Bruce
4th row: Keiht aka Darktown2 and his brother Dan  
 

 
This is the oldest LV steel caboose.
 

 
Crossing signal near the caboose:
 

 
Looking NW on the former team track:
 

 
All photos in this post were taken by me (unless otherwise noted) Saturday 4/5/2014 in Williamsville, NY. A special thanks goes out to our host Art fpor accomodating us on a busy day.  
 
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 10th, 2014, 8:14pm
The next stop was the old LV freight house in Niagara Falls, which Amtrak nows uses.
 
The eastbound Maple Leaf was idling when we arrived. Amtrak named this train in tribute to the famous LV train  
 

 
 
 

 
 
 

 
 
 

 
This is the former NYC/PC yard, which LV trains passed thru as they went to/from Suspension Bridge Yard:
 

 
it looks like Amtrak may have modified the west end of the old LV freight house, IMO:
 

 
Inside the station:
 

 
I'm not use if the loading dock is original, either.
 

 
One more look at the ex-LV freight house now used by Amtrak:
 

 
All photos in this post were taken by me Saturday 4/5/2014 in Niagara Falls, NY. I will resume sharing photos of our adventure in a day or two.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 11th, 2014, 8:17pm
After our visit to Niagara Falls, we headed south to view a couple of LV survivors.
 
This is Buffalo Creek #43, which IIRC is owned by WNYRHS.
 

 
BCK was a jointly owned subsidiary of LV and Erie/EL, which is why IMO this HH660 qualifies as a Lehigh Valley survivor.
 

 
 
 

 
LV #107 (which is owned by the Buffalo Southern) is OOS, and will eventually be stuffed and mounted at the depot we saw earlier.  
 

 
All photos in this post were taken by me Saturday 4/52012 in Hamburg, NY.
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 11th, 2014, 8:27pm
We also paid a visit to the remains of the LV terminal at Tifft Street, which included this water base.
 

 
It's sad to think that this was an active railyard 40 years ago.  
 

 
CSX refers to this as Track #17, a nice nod to its LV heritage.  
 

 
Our final LV-related stop was at Red Jacket Park, where we took a look at CP Draw. The lowered bridge is a former Buffalo Creek structure, which became the main bridge when Conrail realigned the tracks in the 1980s. The raised bridge is ex-NKP. I think the LV/N&W pool trains crossed it back in the day, but I am not 100% sure.
 

 
All photos in this post were taken by me Saturday 4/5/2014 in Buffalo, NY. There are other photos from this trip which I will share in other places as time permits. To Keith, Dan, Scot, Ken, Bob and Bruce- thank you all for joining me this year. It was another fun adventure.    
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 12th, 2014, 10:33am
Great photos Matt, thanks for posting!  
(and for arranging the trip!)
 
I will try to have my photos uploaded soon!
Scot
Posted by: irn750 Posted on: Apr 12th, 2014, 7:42pm
Great stuff Matt. Thanks again. I enjoy these meetings. Great seeing all the guys.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2014, 8:33pm
You're welcome, guys! Next year should be fun- I think it will be another trip to Buffalo.
Posted by: BlackDiamondRR Posted on: Apr 16th, 2014, 7:37pm
Matthew,  Thanks for posting your photos! I couldn't attend this gathering this year as we were out of state at that time. Unfortunate as I only live 4 blocks from where the BCK #43 sits! Maybe next year I will be around for it.  
    I am also building a large layout in the basement that will sport the "P & L Jct" sign that Keith made for me awhile ago. Although I won't be modeling P & L Jct per se, I do want the sign hung down there.
     Bud Rindfleisch
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 17th, 2014, 8:47pm
Bud, you're welcome. You are certainly welcome to join us next year. Among other things, I am going to track down the owner of the former Niagara Junction site... so we can get permission to go there.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Sep 11th, 2014, 8:06pm
I am not sure about the trip to Buffalo next spring. I was hoping that we could explore some of the former L&LE but 9as was seen ih te GTL thread), much of it is private property... and posted, too. Any suggestions for next year are welcome.  
 
Sayre still looks good for 2016.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Sep 11th, 2014, 11:02pm
Since I have not been to Sayre, I would kie to do that sooner than later. I would really rather explore more of whats left, or gone of the Lehigh Valley. Would also like to " Find" the old R&E abutments west of Victor, just my 2 cents.
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Sep 11th, 2014, 11:37pm
I'm doing a lot better health wise,but I can't see myself going to Rochester/Buffalo any time soon because of my finances.I'm up for Sayre any time.Matt,is there going to be another slide presentation in Sayre again this year?
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Sep 12th, 2014, 11:12pm
on Sep 11th, 2014, 11:37pm, LV LOU wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I'm doing a lot better health wise,but I can't see myself going to Rochester/Buffalo any time soon because of my finances.I'm up for Sayre any time.Matt,is there going to be another slide presentation in Sayre again this year?

 
I haven't heard of any more shows in Sayre. Sorry about that.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Sep 12th, 2014, 11:14pm
on Sep 11th, 2014, 11:02pm, mtcg16 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Since I have not been to Sayre, I would kie to do that sooner than later. I would really rather explore more of whats left, or gone of the Lehigh Valley. Would also like to " Find" the old R&E abutments west of Victor, just my 2 cents.

 
Since Buffalo no longer looks viable, I was thinking of the Leroy/Mumford/Caledonia area. We could add in Victor if desired.  
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Sep 13th, 2014, 8:14pm
We could do Sayre for the next trip..2015.
I only suggested Sayre for the 2016 trip because it would be the 40th Anniversary of the end of the LV and the beginning of Conrail..but..is that anniversary terribly relevant to the trip itself?
perhaps not..Sayre isnt going to be any different in 2015 or 2016! (as far as we know right now.)
im not adamant about Sayre for 2016 only! it was just an idea that made sense because of the anniversary..So, we could do Sayre next, or we could plan something else, besides Buffalo, for 2015 and still do Sayre for 2016..im up for anything!  
 
Scot
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Sep 14th, 2014, 5:18pm
I'm pretty much out for anything much farther than Syracuse.Takes me over an hour to just to get to Binghamton..I'd be up for Sayre any time,only been there once or twice.
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Sep 14th, 2014, 7:21pm
LeRoy/Mumford/Caledonia with Victor added sounds like an interesting tour.
 
LeRoy (more properly North LeRoy:
 
A rare open spandrel concrete bridge over Oatka Creek.
 
To the east along Gulf Road near the LVRR crossing is a huge steam shovel on display that was once utilized by an abandoned stone quarry.
 
Caledonia:
 
P&L Jct., of course. Tower foundation remains and a collapsed section shed can be found in the weeds. West of Spring Street is a concrete phone booth, C&S poles and what has to be the last remaining section of original LVRR single track and passing siding.
 
Along Lehigh Street east of North St., behind a line of buildings is the Caledonia station site.
 
Mumford:
 
At the Genesee Country Museum is the P&L Jct. station, however not painted in LVRR colors.
 
Victor:
 
The R&E R Rwy bridge abutments are along the Lehigh Trail west of Rt. 251. Photo is of how they appeared  in the early 1970s.
 
Good luck. Hope the majority goes along with this tour. Would very much enjoy participating,
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Sep 14th, 2014, 8:41pm
Thanks as always for the info and photos Paul, both are always enjoyable and informative.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Sep 14th, 2014, 8:44pm
Hey, also in case no one has noticed, the LV track into Victor has been re Ballasted and the area where the second track once was is cleaned up. Also the bridge over the Canandaigua outlet has been re decked with new rail and ties and a steel walkway. Seems like the Fingerlakes wants to keep the old girl alive for a while longer.  
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Sep 14th, 2014, 11:03pm
Understand that the Victor R&E R Rwy/LVRR interchange r/o/w can still be located in the weeds.
 
Additionally, the Hungerford-Smith spur that went to what last info mentioned is now a CVS warehouse and which came off the LVRR just west of the School Street grade crossing remains intact through the woods but disconnected from the former LVRR.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Sep 15th, 2014, 6:53am
The R&E ROW has been cleared and is now a walking trail east of the old R&E station in victor as well.
Posted by: LVRR_MANCHESTER Posted on: Sep 15th, 2014, 9:14pm
For what it is worth there are still a few hidden treasures in Manchester.  The roundhouse is still standing as well the old engine offices and the oil house.  The old water tower on the south side of the yard and a few ruins which are still there if you know where to look.  Just recently a friend of mine acquired the land on the west end of the yard and was unable to get his land to drain with all the rain this year.  Living here my whole life I showed him where the culvert was.  We dug it up and cleaned it out.  Glad I hunted rabbits in there for all those years.  As you may know the refurbished an old Conrail caboose and are making a small park where the old bunkhouse used to set which is a work in progress
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Sep 22nd, 2014, 8:04pm
on Sep 14th, 2014, 7:21pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
LeRoy/Mumford/Caledonia with Victor added sounds like an interesting tour.
 
LeRoy (more properly North LeRoy:
 
A rare open spandrel concrete bridge over Oatka Creek.
 
To the east along Gulf Road near the LVRR crossing is a huge steam shovel on display that was once utilized by an abandoned stone quarry.
 
Caledonia:
 
P&L Jct., of course. Tower foundation remains and a collapsed section shed can be found in the weeds. West of Spring Street is a concrete phone booth, C&S poles and what has to be the last remaining section of original LVRR single track and passing siding.
 
Along Lehigh Street east of North St., behind a line of buildings is the Caledonia station site.
 
Mumford:
 
At the Genesee Country Museum is the P&L Jct. station, however not painted in LVRR colors.
 
Victor:
 
The R&E R Rwy bridge abutments are along the Lehigh Trail west of Rt. 251. Photo is of how they appeared  in the early 1970s.
 
Good luck. Hope the majority goes along with this tour. Would very much enjoy participating,

 
I like your suggestions. Every one of them is interesting. What do the rest of you think?
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Sep 22nd, 2014, 8:29pm
I would be up for this!
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Sep 22nd, 2014, 10:51pm
Other than for the Genesee Country Museum, the steam shovel which is visible from Gulf Road and the R&E abutments, there may be problems gaining 100% legal ingress to some of the sites.
 
The list presented was not actually a suggestion but merely a presentation of what can still be seen at the various locations.
 
Will leave it to you folks on the ground back in NYS to see if a tour of any or all of the sites would at all be practical and will be guided by what is determined by the majority.
 
Thank you for your consideration.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Sep 23rd, 2014, 8:22pm
on Sep 22nd, 2014, 10:51pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Other than for the Genesee Country Museum, the steam shovel which is visible from Gulf Road and the R&E abutments, there may be problems gaining 100% legal ingress to some of the sites.
 
The list presented was not actually a suggestion but merely a presentation of what can still be seen at the various locations.
 
Will leave it to you folks on the ground back in NYS to see if a tour of any or all of the sites would at all be practical and will be guided by what is determined by the majority.
 
Thank you for your consideration.

 
You are very welcome. I will have to do some investigation on some of the other sites to see if we can gain access.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Oct 19th, 2014, 8:30pm
Ken G has made a suggestion of touring the Naples Branch in the spring. At least some of the ROW is a trail now. We could also view the turntable pit at Naples, too.  When I mentioned this to John yesterday, he also told me the RGVRRM might be able to have an LV-themed event that afternoon/evening, as well. Who else like these ideas?
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Oct 19th, 2014, 11:13pm
I think the freight station is still there too. I still want to go to Sayre one of these days though!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Oct 20th, 2014, 7:59pm
Sayre is on the docket for 2016, as per Scot's suggestion.
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Oct 25th, 2014, 2:44pm
I like Kenny G's idea Matt.  Keith
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Oct 31st, 2014, 10:18pm
Reference the Naples branch:
 
Gorham station still standing, at least it was in 2012.
 
At Stanley if one knows where to look there remains some evidence of the PRR/LVRR crossing.
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Nov 2nd, 2014, 7:26am
on Oct 31st, 2014, 10:18pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Reference the Naples branch:
 
Gorham station still standing, at least it was in 2012.
 
At Stanley if one knows where to look there remains some evidence of the PRR/LVRR crossing.

 
Here is a photo I grabbed of the station at Gorham in October of 2012.  
 
Charlie
 
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Nov 2nd, 2014, 12:41pm
This station replaced a previous structure which was destroyed by fire in July, 1913.
 
Construction began in the fall of 1913 and the station was opened for use in May, 1914.
 
Cost of construction was $8000.00.
 
The final passenger trains to serve the station, Nos. 592 & 593, came off on 01 June 1930. The final mixed train service, Nos. 594 & 595 were discontinued on 24 April 1938.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Nov 2nd, 2014, 7:54pm
on Oct 25th, 2014, 2:44pm, darktown2 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I like Kenny G's idea Matt.  Keith

 
Let's do it! There are structures to see and most of the line is a nice trail, too.  
 
Special thanks to TBD for the tips, too.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Jan 6th, 2015, 8:43pm
I have been having a conversation this evening with john and Ken regarding the date of the meet-up. We like the 2nd weekend of April- preferably Saturday 4/11/2015 if possible. What do the rest of you think? I hope it is a good date for as many LV fans as possible.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Jan 8th, 2015, 11:53pm
That date looks good to me. Maybe we could start in Naples, meet at Bob and Ruth's for breakfast.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Jan 9th, 2015, 6:56am
Sounds good, count me in!!
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Jan 9th, 2015, 9:25am
I second Bob & Ruth's!!!
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jan 9th, 2015, 7:39pm
Im in!  
thanks guys for getting it organized!
 
Scot
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Jan 10th, 2015, 5:17pm
We have a quorum- we will meet Sat 4/11/2015 @ Bob & Ruth's in Naples and then head in a northeasterly (compass) direction to follow the branch.
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Jan 13th, 2015, 2:27pm
If I can get the Saturday April 11th off, count me in too. But...seriously doubt that they will give it to me as starting this week, I'm using up some carried over vacation time and won't be back to work till March 2nd! Tired of bone-chilling winds or like yesterday, getting soaked and trudging through wet snow.  
 
Chris
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 11th, 2015, 8:05pm
The meet-up is 1 month from today!  
 
With that in mind, please E-mail me via mistersnoozer@yahoo.com if you plan to attend. I'd like to get a head count, especially for breakfast. You can include a cell phone # if desired- it will help in case anyone gets lost.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2015, 8:06pm
Unless anyone objects, I suggest we meet at Bob & Ruth's at 8 AM. I know at least one LV fan will be driving 2 hours to meet us, so let's not make it too hard on him, OK?
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2015, 8:16pm
is the date 4-11?? Doug Parmele wants to come, please let me know. Thanks
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 4th, 2015, 10:53am
Yes, Saturday April 11.  
 
Scot
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 7th, 2015, 7:02pm
Sorry to say I will not be there this year. I would love to see Doug and get his take on the branch. I still see Dan Sloat who worked the branch, and has some good stories to tell about it. Wish you guys could "beam" Paul east from Colorado. I am sure his knowledge would of great value as well.  Have fun guys. Keith
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 7th, 2015, 7:26pm
Sorry you can't make it, Keith. You will be missed. Hopefully you can join us in Sayre next year.
Posted by: DElder Posted on: Apr 7th, 2015, 8:50pm
Man, I'm truly envious of you guys!  I've said this before, but one of these years I've got to make it to this outing.  (If I didn't already have my regular annual trek back to NY during late July/early August, I'd be there for sure this year....that said, Sayre next year is going on my "must do" list.)
 
Keith: Dan Sloat is a familiar name....I've been corresponding with him for quite a few years now regarding his experiences while working for the LV, and he's been an incredible source of great information.  I'm truly grateful to guys like Dan and you (and everybody else here!) who are willing to share their experiences with those of us who are fans of the LV!
 
And I'll certainly second the comment about getting Paul transported back there this weekend from Colorado...having him along would be the "icing on the cake"!
   Doug
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 8th, 2015, 11:58pm
Contemplated a drive back east this spring. Fate being what it is the decision was made to abandon that which was contemplated. Turned out an injury to my wife a few days ago would have prevented the drive at any rate.  
 
Hope all have a good time. Look forward to the reports and any photos.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 9th, 2015, 12:33am
Sorry to hear there won't be any Bednars with us this Saturday. Still it will be fun exploring the line, and I am looking forward already to next year in Sayre; hopefully it will be our biggest turnout yet, with a possible visit from our friends out west. TB, sorry to hear the news about your wife, here's hoping things are on the mend.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 10th, 2015, 8:46pm
TB, I too am sorry to learn you can't join us this year... but I do hope you can join us next year. best wishes to your wife for a full recovery.  
 
To those who are coming to the 5th annual "A Walk With The Lehigh Valley RR" tommorow, I look forward to seeing you.
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 10th, 2015, 11:50pm
Thank you folks for the kind words. My wife was moved to rehab yesterday and will probably be there for two weeks.  
 
You guys have a fun walk and a enjoyable day overall.
Posted by: DElder Posted on: Apr 13th, 2015, 7:20pm
Hey gang:
Did the Naples branch "walk in the weeds" come off as planned this past Saturday?  Looking forward to a trip report and pictures!
   Doug
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 13th, 2015, 8:00pm
Doug,
yep! it was a success!  
We did Naples to Geneva and several places in between..
I will post pictures here tomorrow..(Tuesday)
Scot
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 13th, 2015, 8:03pm
I agree with Scot- we saw alot of cool and interesting things on our expedition. My photos will be coming in a few days.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 13th, 2015, 8:09pm
Scot, please don't forget to send me the pictures of us guys in the turntable pit, send it full size if you would to my e-mail address which is marks22@rochester.rr.com Thanks, and send both if you would!   Great time with you all, looking forward to next year!
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 14th, 2015, 4:32pm
on Apr 13th, 2015, 8:09pm, mtcg16 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Scot, please don't forget to send me the pictures of us guys in the turntable pit, send it full size if you would to my e-mail address which is marks22@rochester.rr.com Thanks, and send both if you would!   Great time with you all, looking forward to next year!

 
No problem Mark!
I will email them tonight..
Scot
 
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 14th, 2015, 4:45pm
The 5th annual Western NY LVRR tour!  
This years tour: the LV Naples Branch.
 
Stop 1, the Naples NY yard area, end of the line for the Naples branch.
Here the intrepid historians have located the LV's Naples turntable pit! Local artists have erected some sculpture on the site.  
 

 
Most of the north and west pit wall is still intact, although oddly most of the south and east pit wall is gone! photos show it was in fact a complete concrete ring when the turntable was in use. perhaps some of the wall was removed for fill, stream rip-rap, or some other purpose. This view is looking South-West:
 

 
Looking West:
 

 

 

 
Based on maps, this dirt driveway is most likely the ROW of a single spur track that ran on the west side of the turntable. view is looking north from the side of the turntable, with the green Naples depot in the middle distance:
 

 
Standing in the same spot as the photographer of the LV Camelback 2-8-0 sitting on the Naples turntable:
 

 
There was a small engine house at Naples, but it was just north of the depot, and was probably only in use in earlier times. there was never a roundhouse or enginehouse next to the turntable.
The rear "stop" of the turntable. the south edge of the turntable wall:
 

 

 
What better place to take a group photo than IN the turntable pit! Here are the six guys on this years tour:
 

 

 

 

 

 
Now over to take a look a look at the existing Naples depot and environs..
 

 
The scale house:
 

 
Considering the LV left town in 1970, 45 years ago, the amount of structures still standing is surprising! most of these structures to the west of the depot were businesses served by rail.
 

 

 

 
While we were standing aeround on the road, the owner of the depot showed up! He allowed us to take a walk around the property, and told us his plans for the depot, very nice!..he is planning to fix it up!
 
Same spot, just about 100 years later:
 

 
the photo above shows the original Naples depot in the foreground, which no longer stands. Just behind it you can see the roof outline of the currently existing Naples depot. The owner of the current depot placed the boulder to mark the corner of the original depot.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
After Naples, we headed North-East up the branch toward Geneva. second stop of the day, Middlesex NY:
 

 

 
We determined that the Middlesex depot would have been just south of Williams street, but there was nothing to see there, not a trace of the railroad.
 
Third stop, Rushville. A nicely groomed rail-trail has been built on the Naples branch  north out of Rushville. It became obvious that the current bridge for the rail-trail over West River is not the original railroad bridge. The current bridge is a new bridge created for the rail-trail. it is not resting on the original wooden bridge abutments, which are still in place.
 

 
In the photo above an informational kiosk is visable, with information about the railroad that led to the current railtrail, here are the articles posted:
 

 

 

 
More photos of the new rail-trail bridge:
 

 

 
Wooden bridge abutments are original LV, while the bridge itself is not:
 

 

 

 
and a bit south of the new bridge, we discovered what is most likely the remants of the original railroad bridge! three large H-beams of the correct length, and some bits of rail.
 

 
Fourth stop, Gorham NY.
 

 

 

 

 

 
The LV's Gorham NY depot may not be long for this world:

 

 

 

 

 
5th stop, Stanley NY, once home to a dimond crossing, and tower, at the intersection of the LV Naples branch and the PRR Elmira branch. Immediately west of the diamond the PRR split into two lines, the PRR branch to Canandaigua, and the PRR Elmira branch continuing north to the coal dock at Sodus Bay on Lake Ontario. This spot saw PRR steam as late as 1957. The two PRR ROW's north and west from Stanley are nice rail trails today.
 

 

 

 
Using maps, and the visible ROW's as they extend off into the distance in four directions, we were able to work out the exact location of the Stanley diamond! Aric, Mark and Ken stand on the diamond:
 

 
I stood on the diamond and photographed the four directions out from the diamond:
 

 

 

 

 
This is believed to be a remnant of the tower foundation:
 

 

 

 

 
That's the end of the tour of the Naples branch! We didnt go up to the junction of the branch with the LV mainline near the LV Geneva passenger station, since we had already explored that area on past tours. Instead we finished the day with a visit to the Finger Lakes Railway in Geneva. My first in-person sightings of the two new FGLK SD38-2's!
 
Couldnt get a view of the entire number 3303 from the parking lot, as she was blocked by the 2308...this will have to do for now, until I can catch her out on the road:
 

 
While we were checking things out from the parking lot, we heard a railroad whistle off to the west! a FGLK train coming into town from Watkins Glen.. So we drove over to Pre-Emption street to catch the second new SD38-2 coming into town!
 

 
These two newest FGLK locomotives are classed as SD38-2's, because they were de-turboed. but they are still in their complete SD40-2 carbodies. Lightning Stripes looks great on them! very classy locomotives..
 

 

 
Back to the Geneva yard. the old war-horse GP9 1703 is now in storage. the newest FGLK locomotive passes by one of the originals:
 

 

 

 
3301 has only been with FGLK for three weeks, and she hasn't received her FGLK nose logos yet. (3303 arrived before 3301)
 

 

 

 

 
And that concludes the tour of the Naples branch! thanks for viewing.
Scot
 
 
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 14th, 2015, 6:20pm
Thanks Scot, great pictures!
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 15th, 2015, 12:00am
A most complete and excellent photographic record. Thank you.
Posted by: NEFAN Posted on: Apr 15th, 2015, 3:09pm
Looks like It was a great trip. Thanks for posting the photos - I was waiting with anticipation...
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Apr 17th, 2015, 9:33pm
Scot- thank you for the nice pictures and supporting text!
 
Here are my pics, mostly redundant but a few extra angles for your reference:  http://kengardner.smugmug.com/150411-Lehigh-Valley-meetup/
 
Includes a few shots of Bob & Ruth's back room - I love that place and dig the decor!
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 17th, 2015, 9:50pm
thanks everyone!  
and thanks for your pic Ken!
and no, I dont think "redundant" applies..because I always like seeing all the different things that different people find and choose to photograph..you got lots of little details that I didnt even notice at all..especially at Stanley, so I think everyone should post all their photos!  
 
I think this is the first year I have actually posted any of mine..  
past years I always meant to, but never got around to it..I vowed not to do that this time.
so..everyone share photos please!  
 
Scot
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 18th, 2015, 7:10am
Thanks Ken, I agree with Scot, all pictures I have seen from both of you guys are great. I did not see the stuff at stanley either, with the exception of the tower foundation.. Will post mine soon as well.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 18th, 2015, 7:12am
Bridge at Rushville
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Apr 18th, 2015, 7:13am
Gorham Station
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 18th, 2015, 4:38pm
Hey Gang; Boy after looking at some of Scot's photos, I am sorry I did not make the trip.
   For some reason I only get Scot's photos from Naples and a few at Middlesex, then the photos just show an X. Is it my computer or me??
    Thanks again for the photos and the "look back".
              Keith
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 18th, 2015, 9:56pm
on Apr 18th, 2015, 4:38pm, darktown2 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hey Gang; Boy after looking at some of Scot's photos, I am sorry I did not make the trip.
   For some reason I only get Scot's photos from Naples and a few at Middlesex, then the photos just show an X. Is it my computer or me??
              Thanks again for the photos and the "look back".
                                                           Keith

 
hmmm..sorry about that Keith,  I cant explain why you wouldn't see them all.
they are all in the same album and should have identical "public sharing" settings..
 
Can anyone else only see some of my photos but not all of them?
I will try to do some troubleshooting..
 
meanwhile, Keith please let me know if you can see them all here or not:
 
http://scotlawrence.smugmug.com/Railroads-3/LV-Tour-2015/
 
thanks,
Scot
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Apr 19th, 2015, 7:27am
Sounds like your browser is timing out before loading the whole page.  Try reload/refresh?
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 19th, 2015, 9:24am
I got the photos on your link Scot. I really liked the way you did the map on the last few photos. Thanks so much for taking the pictures and passing them on.
  Ken; I will have to try and do the reload. My internet connection is slow and that may be the case indeed. Frontier says "high speed" but I am not sure what high speed is to them. Every time a tech comes to the house he says everything is working fine. What BS that is.
   All that being said I appreciate what you guys did and appreciate you posting the photos.    Keith
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 19th, 2015, 5:48pm
Thanks Keith!
glad you could see them the other way..
 
I shouldnt have put all the photos in one post..although it probably wouldnt make any difference if they were in seperate posts, because they would still all have to load anyway..although if they spilled over into another forum page, (some on "page 36"..then some might have gone over to "page 37")
that would have been less photos to load per page..
 
For future reference, I wont post so many pics in one individual post..probably better to split them up a bit..
 
Scot
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Apr 20th, 2015, 8:18am
Nice photos, gentlemen.......looked like a great day, thanks for taking the time to share them!  
 
Charlie
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 20th, 2015, 1:21pm
Charlie ,sorry you couldn't come last week, hopefully you can make it next year for Sayre. You DO know I'd be happy to give you a ride if you'd like.  
 
Scot, as usual, fantastic job with your pics of the weekend. I think TB Diamond best summed it up as "A most complete and excellent photographic record".  I wish I had the knack for such eloquence.
 
Most of my photos weren't much different than the rest; I haven't had much time to post them due to being in the middle of a complete bathroom remodel. However, I will post them when I get a few moments to spare.
 
I am sure you guys have heard of the NKP 765 excursions into the Southern Tier and NE Pennsylvania this coming August. The last time an event such as this happened supposedly was 1985. I for one would like to see it. or at least chase it down the Southern Tier line (Matt). Is there any interest among the group in getting together to go see such a magnificent machine?
 
http://fortwaynerailroad.org/2015/04/nkp-765-2015-excursion-season/
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 20th, 2015, 8:18pm
It took a little longer than I thought,,, but here are some of my highlights  from the recent outing.
 
Edge of the turntable pit in Naples:
 

 
Remnant of pipes at the edge of the pit, with my foot for size perspective:
 

 
Naples station:
 

 
Former ROW in Naples:
 

 
Former ROW east of Route 364 in Middlesex:
 

 
Former ROW west of Route 364 in Middlesex:
 

 
This building in Middlesex may have been a rail customer back in the day:  
 

 
Another remnant of the former LV bridge in Rushville:
 

 
Former ROW west of Pre-Emption Road in Geneva:
 

 
Former ROW east of Pre-Emption Road in Geneva:
 

 
Slide show for Stanley, including the ex-PRR ROW north of the former diamond:
 
http://s105.photobucket.com/user/Amtrak_Matt/slideshow/2015/April%202015
 
Slide show for the rest of the day, except for FGLK:  
 
http://s105.photobucket.com/user/Amtrak_Matt/slideshow/2015/April%202015/0411%20LV%20Naples%20Branch
 
All photos in this post and the link were taken by me Saturday 4/11/2015 in Ontario County, NY.  Please note that my FGLK pictures are posted in the Central New York forum.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2015, 8:01am
thanks for the pics Matt! great stuff!  
 
I think this might have already been mentioned, but I have an idea for the 2017 tour!
John Stewart just emailed me some cool maps of the Hemlock area..
we could do a whole tour of the Rochester branch..
starting in Hemlock, work north to Rochester junction..(see if we can get permission to hike out to that wooden trestle)
up to Rochester, looking at whatever we can find at the way..
and of course end with dinner at Dinosaur BBQ!
(which is in the LV Rochester passenger station, at the far northern end of the branch)
 
so kick that idea around in your heads..
im going to start working on Sayre soon..
thanks,
Scot
Posted by: rgvrr Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2015, 4:13pm
Just throwing it out there, I think there is a room at Dinosaur where we can have a presentation
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 22nd, 2015, 7:45pm
Scot, thanx for the kind words.  I like the 2017 idea, too!
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Apr 25th, 2015, 9:15pm
on Apr 20th, 2015, 1:21pm, Kendaia1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Charlie ,sorry you couldn't come last week, hopefully you can make it next year for Sayre. You DO know I'd be happy to give you a ride if you'd like.  

 
Hi Bob,
 
Thanks very much for that......I sent you a DM.  
 
Charlie
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 27th, 2015, 9:44am
I will also be driving to Sayre next year..
I can take three in addition to myself, from Rochester.
 
thanks,
Scot
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Dec 28th, 2015, 10:46am
Hey everyone!
It's almost 2016!  
time to begin working out the details for our sixth annual trip!  
 
This year's destination is Sayre PA, the ancestral heart of the LV, and the place I was born..
We are planning for early April..the 40th anniversary of the end of the LV.  
a few thoughts to get started:
 
For those of us coming down from Rochester, I would suggest we dont stop for breakfast this time, just because we have a 2-hour drive to get to Sayre. So lets just eat at home, or pick up breakfast and eat while driving..(which is what I would plan to do!
 
I havent talked to Sayre yet, but I plan to soon..I have contacts for both the museum and the yard. I would suggest starting at the museum, perhaps 9am, (or we can discuss a different meet time) then over to the yard. I'll post more about that as plans progress.
 
We have a cool option for lunch! The "Original Italian Grille", which is located inside the LV's Sayre freight station! and is railroad themed..Mangialardo's  has also been floated as a favorite.
 
For those of us coming down from Rochester, we have a few interesting options for the drive home..depending on the time, and what people want to see, we could:
 
 
1. Drive out to Owego, then up to Newark Valley:

LV station in Owego.
O&H Railway in Owego.
Then check out some of the old Auburn division:
LV station and caboose in Newark Valley.
Up to Ithaca, LV passenger car at the RR display at the LV Ithaca station..
then home via Geneva..maybe a stop at FGLK if its still light.
(sunset in early April will be 7:40..it will be light until 8pm.)
 
2. Or head south to Towanda:

Two LV cabooses at the Milan train station.
Lehigh Railway in Towanda.
LV mainline Susquehanna River bridge in Towanda.
The old S&NY depot in Towanda.
then west over to Wellsboro, check out the Wellsboro & Corning.
then north back up to Corning, and back home from there..
 
So, those are some ideas to get us started! discuss!  
 
Scot
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Dec 28th, 2015, 12:36pm
Hi Scot! I am very much looking forward to our trip to Sayre this year, and to hopefully meeting some our friends that haven't been able to make it up to our earlier upstate NY events!
 
As for myself, I'd like to do your 2nd option, Sayre-Milan-Towanda. Wellsboro too, if everyone concurs.  
 
I'm also willing to carpool with anyone who may be going from the central/eastern Fingerlakes Region.
 
Bob
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Dec 29th, 2015, 8:26pm
I like option #2, as well.
Posted by: Bridge 1A Posted on: Dec 30th, 2015, 4:49pm
Guys -
 
Have a great New Years and an even better New Years day hike, I wish I could join you.....But I've got a layout operating session to attend, and then a gig that night........No time to fit in a 200+ mile car ride!
 
I expect lots of pictures! LOL!
 
Ralph
Posted by: NEFAN Posted on: Dec 30th, 2015, 6:48pm
#2 sounds good to me. I would love to learn more about Sayre and the LV in that area. I will be coming from NJ so I may skip the Wellsboro trip. ( I have been there before )
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Dec 30th, 2015, 10:25pm
on Dec 30th, 2015, 4:49pm, Bridge 1A wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Guys -
 
Have a great New Years and an even better New Years day hike, I wish I could join you.....But I've got a layout operating session to attend, and then a gig that night........No time to fit in a 200+ mile car ride!
 
I expect lots of pictures! LOL!
 
Ralph

 
This trip won't be happening till April. We haven't even picked the exact weekend yet. Who knows- you might be able to join us after all!  
Posted by: Bridge 1A Posted on: Dec 31st, 2015, 7:49am
Well Matthew, that shows how close of an attention I paid! LOL!
 
Cool, maybe I will be able to is right! I would certainly be interested in exploring the railroad north (west) of my furthest journey so far (Vossburg Tunnel) with you guys!
 
Ralph
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Dec 31st, 2015, 12:56pm
#2 to Newark Valley looks good to me, too!  [stretch][/stretch]
Posted by: lehigh310 Posted on: Dec 31st, 2015, 9:59pm
Hi Scot! Looking forward to this year's trip!
 
9 AM start time sounds good to me. I vote for lunch at the Original Italian Grille...I didn't know the Sayre freight station still existed.
 
As for afterwards, option #2 to Newark Valley interests me the most, as the Lehigh & New York branch is my hometown line. However, option #3 makes sense for most of you, as it gets you headed home, so I would probably stay with the group as far as Towanda, and then head north.
 
Scot, let me know if you need help getting anything set up!
 
-Aric
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jan 2nd, 2016, 1:13pm
Hey everyone,
Looks like its coming together!
 
I just realized I made things confusing by providing maps for two options for after Sayre (the Owego route, or the Towanda route) but then labeling them option 2 and option 3! (option 1 was "neither, just go home from Sayre") some people didnt notice the option 1.
 
So I edited my first post...now its just:
 
Option 1: Owego - Newark Valley - Ithaca.
Option 2: Towanda - Wellsboro - Corning.
 
So far its tied! 3 to 3. (my vote is Towanda-Wellsboro)
 
although the Western New York contingent prefers Towanda-Wellsboro.
Its also possible different groups could go one way or the other..
more to discuss!  
 
We have a specific request for making the trip Saturday April 9th.
how does that work for everyone?  
 
thanks,
Scot
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Jan 2nd, 2016, 2:09pm
Either is good for me..I have family in Newark Valley 1/2 block from the museum..
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Jan 3rd, 2016, 5:43pm
April 9th works for me.
Posted by: slotracer Posted on: Jan 5th, 2016, 12:23pm
40th anniversary of the loss of the Lehigh. Also a reminder note, Buffalo Chapter NRHS ran a car caravan to Sayre on January 17 1976 and a LOT of people went on that trip. They had releases and did a full tour of the Sayre shops and MANY pictures were taken. I say this so you know up front that this material exists due to this trip. There were dozens of people that went, maybe 50 people or more and most brought cameras. Trip was set up by John baker who I believe is gone but Hugh Guillume, Devan Lawton, Ken Kramer and others I have long forgotten were also involved in the event. I say this as it would be well worth it to set things up in advance and see some of the material generated from that memorable day.
As I recall LV had a derailment that day up around Van-Etten so the LV mains were not moving so many chased the EL Southern Tier lines that afternoon as folks left Sayre and headed back to Buffalo, I know my carload did just that.
Posted by: NEFAN Posted on: Jan 5th, 2016, 3:45pm
April 9th works for me also. Since I am coming from NJ, I will stay around the Sayre, Towanda area with you guys and then wing it from there.  
Posted by: lehigh310 Posted on: Jan 5th, 2016, 10:43pm
April 9th is fine with me as well.
 
-Aric
Posted by: Bridge 1A Posted on: Jan 6th, 2016, 11:52am
I'll put April 9th on my calendar and see if I can make it.
 
Hey Lou and Scot, maybe we should put out an invite to Billy Branches? LMAO!
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Jan 6th, 2016, 8:35pm
on Jan 5th, 2016, 12:23pm, slotracer wrote:       (Click here for original message)
40th anniversary of the loss of the Lehigh. Also a reminder note, Buffalo Chapter NRHS ran a car caravan to Sayre on January 17 1976 and a LOT of people went on that trip. They had releases and did a full tour of the Sayre shops and MANY pictures were taken. I say this so you know up front that this material exists due to this trip. There were dozens of people that went, maybe 50 people or more and most brought cameras. Trip was set up by John baker who I believe is gone but Hugh Guillume, Devan Lawton, Ken Kramer and others I have long forgotten were also involved in the event. I say this as it would be well worth it to set things up in advance and see some of the material generated from that memorable day.
As I recall LV had a derailment that day up around Van-Etten so the LV mains were not moving so many chased the EL Southern Tier lines that afternoon as folks left Sayre and headed back to Buffalo, I know my carload did just that.

 
Some of the pics have made their into various Morning Sun books, as I recall.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Jan 13th, 2016, 7:59am
Ok everyone, things are coming together!  
Lets formally declare two things:
 
1. The trip will be Saturday April 9th.
2. Let's do Milan-Towanda-Wellsboro after Sayre.
 
the Towanda route has had more votes than Owego..
 
I have some things in the works, more to come!
thanks,
Scot
Posted by: Bridge 1A Posted on: Jan 13th, 2016, 10:42am
Agreed, and that's great, because that allows me to go south from Towanda and trace the route of the old SL&S/BC Branch back towards home.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 9th, 2016, 8:20am
Hey everyone,
we are almost to the 1-month mark!  
(the trip is Saturday April 9th)
 
Lets start a head-count..I just want to have a rough idea of how many people we will have..
please post if you plan to attend.
 
thanks!
Scot
 
Posted by: Raritan Clunker Posted on: Mar 9th, 2016, 2:13pm
Scot -  
 
If I do NOT have a gig the night before or the night of, then yes, I plan on being there, along with my father. It's a long ride, so I have to plan accordingly.
 
Ralph
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 9th, 2016, 8:28pm
I'll be there. I was originally planning to drive down on my own, but it might be wise to give the Saturn a rest. Can I ride with someone?
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 9th, 2016, 8:48pm
on Mar 9th, 2016, 8:28pm, Matthew_L wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I'll be there. I was originally planning to drive down on my own, but it might be wise to give the Saturn a rest. Can I ride with someone?

 
Matt,
I'm driving from Rochester..taking Ken as well, so you can ride with us if you like..we will probably pick up Bob in Corning. (So that's a full car load for me.)
 
Thanks,
Scot
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Mar 10th, 2016, 8:17pm
Thanx, Scot! As I recall, the 4 of us rode together a few years back... so I would be glad to ride with y'all again.
Posted by: lehigh310 Posted on: Mar 13th, 2016, 7:59am
Scot, I'm in!
 
Mind if I ask Dan Armitage if he would like to come? When we did the Geneva-Trumansburg trip a couple of years ago, he was there with A. Bruce Tracy.
 
-Aric
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 13th, 2016, 10:28am
on Mar 13th, 2016, 7:59am, lehigh310 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Scot, I'm in!
 
Mind if I ask Dan Armitage if he would like to come? When we did the Geneva-Trumansburg trip a couple of years ago, he was there with A. Bruce Tracy.
 
-Aric

 
Aric, glad you can join us again! And sure (asking Dan.)
Once we have the specific timeline worked out, I'll post it here.
We will likely meet up at the Sayre station..more to follow on the time to meet.
Scot
Posted by: NEFAN Posted on: Mar 14th, 2016, 3:26pm
I will have to pass on this trip - hopefully another time.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Mar 15th, 2016, 7:37pm
Scot, I may have a fellow from work interested in tagging along with me this year. If he comes along, I'll let you know because I'll be driving myself since another person will overload your car. I should probably know for sure in a couple days...
 
Bob
 
Hopefully some folks named Bednar will be attending!?!
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Mar 15th, 2016, 8:52pm
I'll come if I'm feeling okay..Having miserable stomach problems lately.I'll probably skip Wellsboro,though..
Posted by: irn750 Posted on: Mar 25th, 2016, 8:30pm
I'm going to try and make it. If NS doesn't throw a wrench in my Planning. Brother Keith is a long shot.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Mar 26th, 2016, 10:09am
Hey everyone,
Two weeks to go!  
 
We have heard from a couple guys who wont be able to make it..sorry to hear it!  
hopefully you can join us next time!
 
Bob, thats fine about driving you and your friend to the Valley..if that falls through and you still want to meet us in Corning, just let me know..
 
Since we have a long day with many things planned, we should make the most of it!
The museum at the Sayre Historical Society opens at 10:00.
 
Lets plan to meet in Waverly at 9:00am. For people traveling an hour or two to get there, that should be a decent start time..
 
Go to the corner of Broad street and Fulton street in downtown Waverly.
turn down Fulton street toward the tracks..just before crossing the tracks turn left into a long parking lot that is behind the downtown business-district buildings..we can park right along the Southern Tier Main, (maybe we'll catch a train!) and wait for everyone to gather there..
 
map:
https://scotlawrence.smugmug.com/Railroads-3/LV-tour-2016/i-fFdv8jx/0/O/WaverlyNY.jpg
 
If anyone needs more specific directions that that, just let me know..
 
Then from 9:00 to 10:00 we can check out a few things in Waverly & South Waverly..
the Big DL&W coal trestle, the spot where the Erie mainline passes over the LV mainline,  the big Shepards Creek bridges and the view of the North end of the Sayre yard from the Milltown bridge sidewalk..Then we can head to the museum at 10:00.
 
If anyone cant make it to Waverly by 9:00, you could meet us at the Sayre station at 10:00.
 
So thats the plan to get the day started!
thanks,
Scot
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 1st, 2016, 3:27pm
Hey everyone,
I have put together a collection of photos and maps for the tour..
I can probably print out about four booklets..I will bring a binder for myself, and a few extra sets..but I wont be able to make a set for everyone..(because I dont know exactly how many people are coming, and there are 40 images! 10 sets would be 400 prints..I dont have access to a printer where I can reasonably make that many prints..)
 
so..please print a set for yourself! if you can, and if you want to..
 
many of the images are public domain, a few aren't, some are mine!
if we just print them for personal use, just for this tour, and don't copy them and upload them anywhere else, then I think we fall under "fair use"..
 
The gallery is private, no one can find it without this link:
 
https://scotlawrence.smugmug.com/2016-temp/n-5vmm2f
 
and I will delete the gallery after our tour..
 
so, please print if you can!
They are numbered, in the approximate order of the tour.. people will likely refer to the numbers during the course of the day, and its much easier to say "look at photo 17" rather than trying to describe it! and describe its location in the mix..consecutive numbers are just much easier..
 
on the far right of the page is a "download" button..you can download first, then print..thats often the best way to go..then you will be sure to have full resolution.
 
Photo #1 ended up last in the gallery..smugmug does that sometimes, I dont know why.
 
thanks,
Scot
Posted by: lehigh310 Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2016, 11:27am
Scot, I just did the download...awesome job! I am so looking forward to this!
 
Just a heads up to everyone: when you click on the Download Album button, it will ask you for an email address. You get emailed a link to the download when its ready to be "picked up," which for me was pretty instantaneous.
 
-Aric
Posted by: DElder Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2016, 3:21pm
Guys:
Much as I'd hoped to be able to make the get-together this spring, it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to join you all on the 9th.  (Being half way across the country certainly doesn't help.)  May have to crank up a couple of John's "Railfanning with the Bednars" DVDs for a quick LV fix next Saturday  instead.
 
Scott:  great job on all the background info.  
 
I usually make a point of getting down to Sayre for at least part of a day during my annual early August trek back to central NY, but would definitely be more fun to do that with the group!
 
Hoping for great weather and a warm day for you guys!
  Doug Elder
 
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2016, 4:33pm
Hope you don't mind me tagging along also. Decided this is once in a chance to learn the southern area and am forgoing the fund raising I'm more or less supposed to go to.  
Scott, since I've no clue to where anything is down there, route 86 to 220 (looks like an exit there on Goggle map), north to Broad and the east to parking spot??
And while I can download your link, I can't print it. Not sure how it works with Windows 10. If I try to right click it and blue highlight the downloads, all I get is Open, Cut, Delete, Copy, Properties.
So what now?? And top bar has print but it's not highlighted, only the bun onto cd is.
To Matthew, I assume it will be a two hour drive from where we are ( I'm adding another ten minutes since you are closer to 390)??
Thanks for any and all help!!  and sorry I have no clue still, of computer use!!
Chris
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 3rd, 2016, 5:42pm
Sayre is 2 hours 23 minutes from Rochester as per Bing maps.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 4th, 2016, 9:50pm
on Apr 3rd, 2016, 4:33pm, alsorailfan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hope you don't mind me tagging along also. Decided this is once in a chance to learn the southern area and am forgoing the fund raising I'm more or less supposed to go to.  
Scott, since I've no clue to where anything is down there, route 86 to 220 (looks like an exit there on Goggle map), north to Broad and the east to parking spot??
And while I can download your link, I can't print it. Not sure how it works with Windows 10. If I try to right click it and blue highlight the downloads, all I get is Open, Cut, Delete, Copy, Properties.
So what now?? And top bar has print but it's not highlighted, only the bun onto cd is.
To Matthew, I assume it will be a two hour drive from where we are ( I'm adding another ten minutes since you are closer to 390)??
Thanks for any and all help!!  and sorry I have no clue still, of computer use!!
Chris

 
Chris,
glad you can make it! if you like, you are welcome to ride along with myself, Matt and Ken..we will be leaving from Ogden at 6am. Or if you want or need to drive yourself, thats fine too..
 
yes, its 390 south, which merges right into Route 17 East. (they are slowly converting Route 17 into I-86, right now its generally called both, 17 and 86.)
 
Route 17 east past Bath, Corning and Elmira..to exit 60. at the end of the exit ramp, at the traffic light, its left onto Route 220, cross over the tracks, then right on Broad street.
Take Broad st to Fulton, right on Fulton..then left into the parking lot at the tracks..
 
I'll check on the download/printing issue tomorrow (Tuesday) and get back to you on that..
 
Scot
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 5th, 2016, 7:59am
Chris,
I tried the download..this is how I did it:
 
1. click the "download all" button in the upper-right corner of the page.
2. this downloads a zip file to your computer.
3. double-click the folder to open it.
 
you now have a folder with all the individual images in it..
double-click on the first one to open it..
it will open in different programs for different people, depending on what you have on your computer to view photos..whatever program it is, it should most likely have a print option under "file"..in the upper-right corner, click "file", and under that should be "print"
 
You will likely need to print them one at a time..I am not aware of any way to send them all to a printer all at once..
 
although you could try selecting several at a time, right-clicking on them, then see if you can print them as a group..that might work.
 
Scot
Posted by: LV LOU Posted on: Apr 5th, 2016, 9:07am
I'm definitely not gonna make it..Been working on a '74 Suzuki 380 for almost a year for a customer,he lives in Virginia..He's coming to pick it up Saturday.
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 5th, 2016, 9:34am
If you guys make it into the freight house/ OIP pizza joint, make sure you go look at the pictures on the way to the men's room.  There is a photo there that I have never seen before. It is of Mauch Chunk around the freight house area.  Really neat place.  Good food too.
  If Danny and I make it we will see you at the Sayre station around 10. Danny has got to work late Friday into Saturday morning so he will be a bit slow.  
   Bob I will have that sign we talked about last year, unless you are staying on the couch.     Keith
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 6th, 2016, 12:32am
Keith- Of Course I'll be there, with my pickup, that will be perfect. Dan said you'd be south still, didn't expect to see you! Looking forward to a fun day off the couch!  
 
Bob
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 6th, 2016, 6:43pm
See you all there.  The only reason I am going to make the trip is Danny said he would buy the beer !!!  HA HA     Keith
Posted by: LVRR2095 Posted on: Apr 6th, 2016, 6:57pm
on Apr 6th, 2016, 6:43pm, darktown2 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
See you all there.  The only reason I am going to make the trip is Danny said he would buy the beer !!!  HA HA     Keith

Oh shoot! If I had known there was going to be beer.....I would have arranged to tag along!
 
Keith  (the other Keith)
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 6th, 2016, 9:42pm
Does this indicate that the old Lehigh Tavern in Sayre is still in business?
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 7th, 2016, 4:12am
Yes Paul the Lehigh tavern is still in business. However the ownership has changed.  Chuck who had it in his family for over 50 years decided to retire. I have not been in since the new folks have taken over.
   I liked Chuck because he said as long as he owns the place it would always be called the "Lehigh".  Boy if the walls could talk.  Many cars shifted in there !! Keith
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 7th, 2016, 2:01pm
The closer we get to Saturday, the worse the forecast becomes.
I have been watching the forecasts all week, and its generally been "35 degrees and partly cloudy" for Sayre..cold, but not a big deal.
 
Now the forecast for Saturday is high of 33 and 90% chance of snow. 1-3 inches.  
urrrrrr..
 
Its now warm enough that the snow probably wont even stick to the roads..so it likely wont impact driving..but its certainty not ideal..should we consider postponing for a nicer weekend? (I can't do the following weekend..)
 
or should we just go for it? thoughts?
 
Scot
Posted by: Raritan Clunker Posted on: Apr 7th, 2016, 2:24pm
Well, I wouldn't be upset if you guys DID postpone it, especially since it looks like I can't make it! But if not, I will be there in spirit!
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 7th, 2016, 7:01pm
Scott Hetsko's weather map (Rochester weatherman) on the 6:00 news shows snow across the southern tier early on Saturday, but ending by the afternoon..
 
Scot
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Apr 7th, 2016, 7:10pm
It might be harder to reschedule than to deal with the weather!
 
Scanned my Sayre maps: large 3'x6' 1894, and two B-size from 1917
 
http://kengardner.smugmug.com/Sayre-maps/n-nkpxWG
 
Posted by: lehigh310 Posted on: Apr 7th, 2016, 7:39pm
I wouldn't be opposed to postponing it...I have to be in Albany all next week for work, and this would give me a little extra time to get ready for it. And 30 degree weather isn't necessarily my cup of tea.
 
-Aric
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 7th, 2016, 8:31pm
on Apr 7th, 2016, 2:01pm, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The closer we get to Saturday, the worse the forecast becomes.
I have been watching the forecasts all week, and its generally been "35 degrees and partly cloudy" for Sayre..cold, but not a big deal.
 
Now the forecast for Saturday is high of 33 and 90% chance of snow. 1-3 inches.  
urrrrrr..
 
Its now warm enough that the snow probably wont even stick to the roads..so it likely wont impact driving..but its certainty not ideal..should we consider postponing for a nicer weekend? (I can't do the following weekend..)
 
or should we just go for it? thoughts?
 
Scot

 
I would prefer to go for it! I have commitments on the weekend of the 16th and I need the weekend of 23rd as preparation to replace my car.  
 
For those who remember the 2014 trip, we did have a little snow that day, too.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 7th, 2016, 9:02pm
whelp, we are almost at the 24 hour mark!
its best we make the call..
 
The forecast is now improving, a bit..the weather for Sayre:
 
https://weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/l/USPA1447:1:US
 
(click on "next 8 hours" a few times to get to Saturday)
 
Says 80% chance of snow through 9, 10 and 11am.
then decreasing through the rest of the day..only 5% chance by 6pm.
That mirrors the Channel 8 weather map, that showed the snow clearing out of the southern tier during the afternoon..looks like its should be light morning snow only at this point, not all day.
 
We have three votes to press on, (including me) and one for postponing, (sorry Aric! hope you can still make it!)
 
So lets call it officially "on"..unless something drastic changes for the forecast, which probably isnt too likely at this point..its not ideal weather, would be nice if it was better, but we can handle it...IMO light snow is actually preferable to rain, since we will be spending some time outside..the only concern I had was snow for driving, but "spring snow" usually isnt an issue on the roads..Let's carry on!
 
Scot
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 7th, 2016, 9:15pm
Thanx, Scott! See ya Saturday morning!
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 7th, 2016, 10:10pm
Safe travels you guys and do have an enjoyable tour. Have to be in Denver for a wedding, alas.
 
Will be thinking of you folks and of the evening I sat at the Lehigh Tavern bar having a beer with my Grandfather, Johnathon Morningstar. Could see a couple LVRR C420 locos shuttling cars across the street. Now the LVRR is gone, Grandpa is gone and I no longer drink beer but the old Lehigh Tavern is still there, by golly. Thanks for that info, Keith.
 
Pardon the digression.
 
        PJT
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Apr 8th, 2016, 1:49pm
Scot, Thanks for the offer to ride along. But I'll drive myself as I'll be bringing extra gear to accommodate whatever weather we have. Look for a blue basic Chevy pick up. -yeah my van finally wore out enough it wasn't worth the cost to fix it up to pass inspection, do miss the height of it to stand on for pictures!--  
Was able to print out the pictures finally. Widow 10 has a different format and then had printing problems and only today figured out why, apparently the printer never got updated to Window 10, was still on Window 7 which is puzzling but then.
Look forward to seeing you all tomorrow!
Chris
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 8th, 2016, 2:10pm
Scot, according to the National Weather Service:  "A chance of snow showers before noon, then a chance of rain and snow showers between noon and 3pm, then a chance of snow showers after 3pm. Cloudy, with a high near 36. North wind 6 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation is 50%. New snow accumulation of less than a half inch possible".  
 
Glad we're going ahead. Dress properly, it's nothing we can't handle. Could be tough to reschedule when we've had this date penciled in for weeks, IMO.  
 
Paul, If we make it to the Lehigh Tavern, will gladly raise a glass to you and your Grandfather, Mr. Morningstar. Loved the photo a while back of him on the passenger train in his uniform.  
 
See you all tomorrow,
 
Bob
Posted by: lehigh310 Posted on: Apr 8th, 2016, 5:59pm
on Apr 7th, 2016, 9:02pm, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
We have three votes to press on, (including me) and one for postponing, (sorry Aric! hope you can still make it!)

That is absolutely no problem, Scot! I will definitely be there, and Dan Armitage is planning on being there too. Looking forward to seeing everyone tomorrow!
 
-Aric
Posted by: ken_g Posted on: Apr 10th, 2016, 8:51pm
Good to see you guys yesterday- here are my pics!
 
https://kengardner.smugmug.com/160411-LV-Meetup-Sayre-PA/n-3gD6K7
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 10th, 2016, 9:29pm
Good photos Ken.  Good to see all you bum's.    Keith
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 10th, 2016, 11:11pm
Excellent photographic record overall.
 
Great to see the Lehigh Tavern and to know that the old Bradford Hotel still stands.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 11th, 2016, 7:56am
Great photos Ken! thanks!  
Scot
Posted by: irn750 Posted on: Apr 11th, 2016, 11:08am
Great pictures Ken. Thanks for posting. It was great seeing everyone. Scott thanks for getting it together.   Danny
Posted by: alsorailfan Posted on: Apr 11th, 2016, 4:24pm
Thanks Scot for being the tour guide!!
Awesome shots Ken!  I see I missed a few details!!
Will be a challenge to pare down the 620 plus photos and not repeat what you and Matthew have posted so far!!
This trip definitely calls for another trip under blue skies!!
Great getting together again!
Chris
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 12th, 2016, 1:30am
Keith says, "Hey Look, Paul old Buddy, the old Tavern is still here"
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Apr 12th, 2016, 1:34am
Paul, Keith and I raise a glass to You and Grandpa Johnathon Morningstar, wish you could make it.
 
Bob
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Apr 12th, 2016, 5:23pm
And we had a drink for the entire Morningstar crew and all the brother railroaders that have "caught the westbound".  What a GREAT bunch of guys.  I really could have made a book, or two !!!!!  Thanks Bob.  Keith
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Apr 12th, 2016, 9:35pm
My heartfelt thanks, guys. Brings back a lot of memories. Appreciate the tribute to Grandpa and to all the great Lehigh folks who have gone on before which includes my Uncle Norman Morningstar, my Uncle Donald Palmer and my Cousin Joe Morningstar. The Lehigh Valley Railroad was a family affair for so very many folks and will be forever missed by all. Thank you for helping keep the memory alive.
 
          PJT
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2016, 8:34pm
Here are my contributions from the meet-up akak A Walk with the Lehigh Valley RR.
 
At our first stop, we took a look at the former Erie RR/ EL main, which is now operated by NS. LV had trackage rights at this location, initially for running to Buffalo and then later for accessing a remnant of the EC&N in the Elmira/Horseheads area.
 

 
Most of our crew (minus the Bednars) gathered here. Scot is giving a history lesson for those who don't know the area:
 

 
Both photos in this post were taken by me Saturday 4/9/2016 in Waverly, NY.  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2016, 8:49pm
Moving over the border, the former LV station is now home to the Sayre Historical Society:  
 

 
Former LV caboose next to the station:
 

 
Now let's take a look inside the sation! They had a couple of great layouts:
 

 
 
 

 
Clerk's desk:
 

 
Engineer's thorne:
 

 
Grandfather clock:
 

 
Inside the LV caboose with Chris aka Alsorailfan:
 

 
 
 

 
Meanwhile, the Lehigh Railway locla arrived to drop off some cars for NS in the fomrer lV yard:
 

 
We had lunch in the Original Italian Grill, which is in the old LV freight house. Keith was definitely enjoying himself!
 

 
A complete look at at Sayre, which also included NS local H13 idling on the former LV main:
 
http://s105.photobucket.com/user/Amtrak_Matt/slideshow/2016/0409%20AMPM%20Sayre%20PA
 
All photos in this post and the link were taken by me Saturday 4/9/2016 in Sayre, PA.  
 
 
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Apr 14th, 2016, 8:56pm
Heading down the tracks a bit, we found a pair of former LV cabeese next to a former LV depot that is now a residence:  
 

 
 
 

 
Switch flange:
 

 
Some of the old LV telegraph poles still stand next to the ROW:
 

 
All photos in this post were taken by me Saturday 4/9/2016 in Milan, PA. That's it for the LV related stuff. I'll share the rest of our trip in other subforums as appropriate. A big thanks goes out to Scot for organizing the trip, as well as for driving Ken G and me to Sayre. It was nice to see the crew again!  
 
 
 
 
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Dec 20th, 2016, 9:41am
Hey group!
On 12/19/2016 we started a new Facebook forum for the discussion of the annual "Rochester meetup" tour! The link wont work here because its a "hidden" group, not open to the public..If you are on facebook, and want to join, send me an email to:
 
sscotsman at yahoo dot com
 
and I will add you to the group..
 
If you are not on facebook, and have no desire to ever be on facebook, dont worry! because this thread will not be abandoned. I will still post details about the upcoming trips here in this thread, once the details are known, and I will still post photos here.
 
Just out of curiosity, is there anyone who has attended, or might want to attend in the future, any of these tours but is not on facebook? I would like to know how many we have.  
 
(I know Keith Bednar isnt on facebook, but we have him covered already.)
 
thanks,
Scot
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2017, 11:48am
Hey everyone,
the date for the 7th annual tour has been decided!
We are doing "Sayre part 2", starting again in Waverly/Sayre, then going out to Owego and up the Auburn division.
 
We are meeting at the Fulton street crossing in Waverly NY, same as last year.
9am on Saturday April 29, 2017.
Then to the Sayre Historical Society museum at 10:00, in case anyone cant make it to Waverly by 9:00.
 
If you aren't a member of the new Facebook group, and would like to join, reply here or send me an email to sscotsman at yahoo dot com.
 
If you aren't on facebook, and never plan to be on facebook, no problem! this thread will remain active for sharing information.
 
thanks,
Scot
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: May 3rd, 2017, 8:05pm
We had a great meet-up this year. In addition top most of the regulars we had a few faces, too.
 
Former LV bridges on the northside of Sayre, now used by NS:
 

 
NS local H13 parked in the former LV yard at Sayre:
 

 
Former LV caboose at the Sayre Historical Society in Sayre:
 

 
Kendaia1 aka Bob getting shots at the Sayre Historical Society:
 

 
Fireman's gear at the Sayre Hsitorical Society:
 

 
Scot checking out LV models at the Sayre Historical Society:
 

 
A celebration of Sayre as a RR town:
 

 
The Lehigh Railway entering the former LV yard at Athens, after getting track authority from NS:
 

 
Former Southern Central/LV bridge, now used by Wildwood Road in Sayre (for now):
 

 
A slide show covering the first half of our gathering:
 
http://s857.photobucket.com/user/Erielackawanna/slideshow/2017/Apr%202017/0429%20AMPM%20Twin%20Tiers
 
All photos in this post and the link were taken by me Saturday 4/29/2017 in central NY and northern PA.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: May 3rd, 2017, 8:36pm
We spent much of the afternoon exploring the Owego & Harford RR, which operates segment of LV's Auburn Division (originally the Southern Central RR).
 
Tioga Transportation Museum at Flemingville:
 

 
 
 

 
 
 

 
Depot and caboose in Newark Valley:
 

 
The Owego & hardford depot/office in Woego is a former Southern Central/LV station:  
 

 
Southern Central R historical marker behind the O&H depot in Owego:
 

 
O&H yard (ex-LV) next to NS 9ex-Erie RR/EL) in owego:
 

 
The former LV depot in Berkshire is now a town office:
 
 
 
Former LV mike marker next to the O&H in Berkshire:
 

 
Former LV water base in Richford:
 
 
 
We stopped by the former LV passenger station in Ithaca, which is now a bank:
 

 
There is also a display train on the former LV passenger main in Ithaca, next to the bank:
 

 
A complete slide show of the 2nd half of our meet-up:
 
http://s857.photobucket.com/user/Erielackawanna/slideshow/2017/Apr%202017/0429%20PM1%20LV
 
All photos in this post and the link were taken by me Saturday 4/29/2017 in central NY.  
 
A special thanks goes out to all who attended  Let's do it again next year!