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Posted by: davidyur Posted on: Aug 11th, 2005, 3:18pm
I was recently up to Rochester and Geneva.  Driving from Rochester to Geneva, I stopped by Manchester, saw roundhouse, etc., in Shortsville, there LV station is now a restaurant (had lunch there) and a NS freight went through while I was at station.  The old LV freight station is now a LV musuem, but must make appointment to see it.  Stopped in Clifton Springs, station now a library.  Then drove up to Fair Haven State Park - it appears nothing is left of LV there, but would like to know what part of park was LV loading dock.  Also, in Geneva, exactly WHERE WAS GENEVA JUNCTION??  Can never figure it out.  I saw some old bridge abuttments that looked like they would have carried LV tracks over to the park next to the Ramada in, but how?   Also, the bit of the main still standing goes over 5-20 on a bridge, but WHERE DID THE ITHACA BRANCH INTEGRATE WITH THE FREIGHT MAIN AT GENEVA JUNCTION?
 
Thanks for any info
Posted by: davidyur Posted on: Aug 11th, 2005, 3:30pm
Hi,  
 
One correction - the freight was actually Finger Lakes Railroad, not NS, I think.  Also, When driving back from North Fair Haven, someone told me about a museum in Sterling, NY, which I stopped by but which was also closed.  They said it had a lot of LV stuff in it.  So, next year I'll try to see that museum and the one in Shortsville.
Posted by: RARITAN_CLOCKER Posted on: Aug 11th, 2005, 4:11pm
davidyur: just some "Geneva" trivia: In 1876, the LV won control of the the Geneva, Ithaca, & Sayre RR; its controlling interest in the upstate rail line enabled the LV to extend its route mileage as far west as Geneva, NY, 97 miles from Buffalo. The new Geneva terminus gave the LV and the PA&NY a valuable connection with the New York Central, where coal, freight, and passengers could be interchanged for Canadaigua, Auburn, Lyons, and other points on the New York Central. Situated at the foot of Seneca Lake, Geneva's lush setting made it a favorite destination for summer excursionists.  By 1891, the grading of LV's Geneva-Buffalo and Van Ettenville-Geneva rights of way were nearly completed. Geneva was also graced by a stately, gabled-roofed passenger station that served the LV for many years.
Posted by: Matthew_Langworthy Posted on: Aug 11th, 2005, 4:18pm
David, RC posts alluded to the location of the split, but I'll make it little clearer.  The LV freight line to buffalo and the passenger line split at Van Etten.  Ironically, the latter line still sees freight servie today.
 
Also, do yourself a favor and check out the shortline Ontario Cental RR, which runs on the former LV main between Shortsville and Victor.  One of their engines is an ex-NKP RS-36.  Considering the run-through power shared by LV and NKP, it's almost like  the RS-36 is on home rails...
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Aug 12th, 2005, 10:47am
Those big bridge abutments on route 14 in Geneva are the LV main.
the Geneva station still exists, just west of those abutments.
 
I just made a map:
 

 
Today, the Finger Lakes RR operates all the former NYC lines.
the lines in blue.
The only LV tracks that still exist are a remnant of the freight main, starting at the junction of the LV and the NYC, (right at the "S" in "Seneca Canal")
and extending south to the Seneca Army Depot.
FGLK doesnt operate the line, they use it mostly for storage of cars.
but the rails are in place.
only the NYC lines are active routes.
 
The LV tracks are gone from the LV/NYC junction West,
and the LV passenger main to Ithaca, and the Seneca Falls branch are gone.
 
The LV station still exists..no rails next to it.
http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=28607&cat=500&page=1
 
Scot
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Aug 12th, 2005, 12:03pm
For amazingly detailed aerial photos, go to:
 
http://maps.google.com/
 
search for Geneva, NY,
zoom in on the finger lakes engine house, and switch to "satellite view"..
you can see how the LV main passed OVER the NYC through here..
follow the LV main west, you can see where it crossed over route 14.
then look just beyond the LV station.
a cul-de-sac with 3 houses has been built ON the LV main!
one of the houses is literally right on top of the mainline!
 
I wonder if the ghost of the Black Diamond ever passes through the house on dark and stormy nights??
 
Scot
 
 
Posted by: davidyur Posted on: Aug 12th, 2005, 12:38pm
Thanks all for the information on LV in Geneva.  Scott, I feel like I have my own personal LV historian/archeologist at my fingertips!   Your work is wonderful.  I now see from your map that Geneva Junction was much further east than I thought, almost toward the other side of Seneca Lake.  I guess no trace of it is there now.  
 
One more thing then.  From your map it appears that the LV tracks still remaining going to Sampson Naval Base would have already included the Ithaca Branch track, which would have joined them at Geneva Junction a little further east.  Is that correct?
 
Thanks again to everyone.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Aug 12th, 2005, 1:24pm
thanks David!
glad to be of help..
 
im not sure what you mean about the Samson naval base tracks..
the tracks into the naval base came off of the "Freight Main"..not the line to Ithaca.
The LV had tracks into the Seneca Army Depot off of both lines however..
 
 
The "NY interactive mapping gateway" shows building still intact at the Navy base!
I dont know what year that aerial photo is from though..
 
http://www1.nysgis.state.ny.us/tempimages/ABA7632D-F1F6-A1A2-E38891119C0EA7A9.gif
 
http://www1.nysgis.state.ny.us/tempimages/ABA84233-F1F6-A1A2-EEF467952A813152.gif
 
those are temporary images..im not sure how long they last..
if they are dead links, just go to the "New York interactive mapping gateway" and you can find them again:
 
 
 
ok..I think I found the junction..(I have never tried to look for it in person, I should do that!)
 
the three LV lines came together right at the Seneca canal..on the NE corner of the lake. Today, only one line still has rails..the "freight main"..
The bridge carrying the freight main over the canal is still there.
and it looks like the bridge for the Ithaca line is still there too!!
never noticed that before!
 
here is the aerial photo:
 
http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychaos/LV-genevajunction01.jpg
 
and here is the same image with the lines drawn in..
 
http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychaos/LV-genevajunction.jpg
 
im pretty sure these are right..
I drew them in by looking at the old ROWs..
open them in 2 seperate windows, and you can flicker between them!  
 
looks like modern construction of 96A has probably wiped out all traces of the junction between the Freight main and the Ithaca line..
but the junction between the Ithaca line and the Seneca Falls branch should still be out there in the weeds!
I have no idea if you can get to it or not..
might be private and/or dangerous property..
 
Scot
Posted by: davidyur Posted on: Aug 15th, 2005, 3:58pm
Hi Scott,
 
Thanks again and congratulations!   I'm hoping you can do for Geneva Junction what you did for Van Etten Junction!!  Looking forward to it, and looking forward to get up there next year and poke around the weeds.
 
Regards,
davidyur
Posted by: Matthew_Langworthy Posted on: Aug 15th, 2005, 7:55pm
Oops, I forgot there Passenger main had to reconnect with the Freight Main near Geneva!  Nice thread- the map is very helpful.  I'm still on a mission to retrace at least part of the old LV route, as this this is the 30th anniversary of her final year of operation.
Posted by: Marian_Johnson Posted on: Oct 26th, 2005, 6:50pm
I found your discussion about the LV around Geneva through Google, and thought you all could help me.  I have two large pictures which include my great-grandfather, Asahel Walker.  One picture is of a group of men who apparently worked on a building project.  The other picture is of a large arch made from possibly granite large rectangular rocks.  At the bottom of one picture it says Lehigh Valley Branch Geneva & Vanettenville RR.  It also lists the names of the men with their jobs - bookkeeper, timekeeper, rodman?, husier?, levleman?, contractor, engineer, transman?, and resident engineer.  The other picture looks like it says "Stella Arch."  On the back it says West End 127 Arch Curry? Creek.  My grandfather married a girl from Watkins Glen in December 1892.  Is this enough information to figure out where this arch is located?
 
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Oct 27th, 2005, 9:02am
on Oct 26th, 2005, 6:50pm, Marian_Johnson wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I found your discussion about the LV around Geneva through Google, and thought you all could help me.  I have two large pictures which include my great-grandfather, Asahel Walker.  One picture is of a group of men who apparently worked on a building project.  The other picture is of a large arch made from possibly granite large rectangular rocks.  At the bottom of one picture it says Lehigh Valley Branch Geneva & Vanettenville RR.  It also lists the names of the men with their jobs - bookkeeper, timekeeper, rodman?, husier?, levleman?, contractor, engineer, transman?, and resident engineer.  The other picture looks like it says "Stella Arch."  On the back it says West End 127 Arch Curry? Creek.  My grandfather married a girl from Watkins Glen in December 1892.  Is this enough information to figure out where this arch is located?
 

 
MArian,
thats a great photo!  
"Lehigh Valley Branch Geneva & Vanettenville RR" gives the best clue to its location..
this is probably a photo of a bridge culvert built during the construction of the Lehigh Valley RR mainline between VanEtten and Geneva in the late 1880's.
the mainline was opened in 1892!
so that fits your grandfather's timeline perfectly!
 
there are only a billion streams the LV would have crossed between VanEtten and Geneva!  
but another clue "curry creek" narrows it WAY down!
doing a google search for "curry creek ny"
brought up a genealogical listing for a cemetary in Hector, NY.
 
Hector is on the east side of Seneca lake, just north of Watkins Glen..right on the LV main!
 
the 1901 topo map:
http://historical.maptech.com/getImage.cfm?fname=watk01ne.jpg&state=NY
shows a "sawmill creek" at Hector, and a smaller un-named creek south of it.
 
lets go north one map:
http://historical.maptech.com/getImage.cfm?fname=ovid02sw.jpg&state=NY
 
HA! there it is! Curry creek! woo!  
 
 
google aerial photos dont give us enough resolution, so we need to switch to the NYS interactive mapping gateway:
http://www.nysgis.state.ny.us/gateway/mg/
 
Curry creek is two streams south of Breakneck creek:
http://www1.nysgis.state.ny.us/tempimages/32239F99-F1F6-A1A2-E18D67C95FD57D83.gif
 
zooming right in where he LV crossed Curry creek we can see:
http://www1.nysgis.state.ny.us/tempimages/322560A2-F1F6-A1A2-EFD517CC2B9EE0FE.gif
not enough to tell if the culvert is still there or not..
but it likely is!  
I wouldnt be surprised if that culvert is still out in the woods..
the LV tracks are gone, probably a trail through there.
its likely private property, but there looks to be a farm on the edge of the creek,
might be possible to get permission to take a hike back in there!
hmmmmmm.....
 
 
here is the aerial photo with relevant stuff drawn in:
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1430/lvrrnearhectorny6fy.jpg
 
(I love this stuff!   )
Scot
 
 
 
 
 
Posted by: Marian_Johnson Posted on: Oct 27th, 2005, 11:06am
A thousand thanks to you, Scot, for the information.  That is exactly what I was looking for.
 
Marian
Posted by: davidyur Posted on: Oct 27th, 2005, 12:36pm
Hi,
I started this topic, and appreciate all the info from everyone.  On reviewing my original post, I realize I was mistaken when I called the Shortsville, NY a LV station.  It was actually a NY Central station.  But there is a museum there in the NYC freight station, which wasn't open when I was there, which suposedly has a lot of LV stuff in it.
 
davidyur
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Oct 27th, 2005, 1:45pm
on Oct 27th, 2005, 12:36pm, davidyur wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hi,
I started this topic, and appreciate all the info from everyone.  On reviewing my original post, I realize I was mistaken when I called the Shortsville, NY a LV station.  It was actually a NY Central station.  But there is a museum there in the NYC freight station, which wasn't open when I was there, which suposedly has a lot of LV stuff in it.
 
davidyur

 
David,
that is the museum of the "Lehigh Valley Railroad Historical Society"
they are a LV-centric society, and yes, located in a former NYC station!
 
http://www.lvrrhs.org/
 
Scot
Posted by: streamline_j3 Posted on: Oct 28th, 2005, 5:27pm
There is an old LV station in Geneva and I have been there and have pictures of the building,  too bad I don,t have a scanner for them so I can send them to here.
   But for the directions I found it by accident by going north of the hospital there.
   Wish I can help more but I can't give directions if I can't remember them.
   I think there is a street just south of the old overpass on 14 but if you go right on that street you will find it.  I found that out by following the street pass the station and came out there.  The map on the preveous replies might help.
Posted by: davidyur Posted on: Oct 31st, 2005, 5:43pm
The LV station in Geneva is on Genesee Street, which is about three or four blocks north of rtes 5 & 20.  It is in good condition and appears to be owend/used by someone. The tracks are all gone, however.  Last summer I tried to trace the Naples branch, and some of the roadbed is still walkable.  The LV station in Naples is still standing, not sure what it's used for.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Nov 1st, 2005, 8:30am
Geneva station:
 
http://www.railroadforums.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=28607&cat=500&page=1
 
Scot
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Nov 1st, 2005, 8:57am
the naples branch is a semi-developed bike trail from Naples northward.
(im not sure how far north)
I say "semi developed" because a trail group has actually done some work on the trail, but its still quite rough..
would be fine for walking, but I tried to bike it a few years ago..very rough for biking.
I turned around after half a mile..very rutted.
 
there is a parking lot for the trail along route 21 just north of Naples,
where the branch crossed route 21, the trail heads north from there:
 

 
 
there was a turntable in Naples..I have wanted to take a walk through town and see if there is any visable traces of a pit or other structures..
if there is, its probably in someones backyard!  
 
Scot
Posted by: Matthew_Langworthy Posted on: Nov 1st, 2005, 9:50pm
Widmer Winery was the last customer of LV in Naples and I know that they built some new buildings over former location of the LV years, so the turntable pit might very well be gone.  The station, however, survives.  It sits next to the former RR embankment near the winery complex.  
 
Service to Naples ended suddenly on September 1, 1970- when the line was cut back to Rushville.
Posted by: scottychaos Posted on: Nov 2nd, 2005, 8:14am
Matthew,
im not so sure!  
the location of the Naples turntable appears to be open, undeveloped land.
or at least it was in 2002, when this aerial photo was taken:
 

 
 
Scot
Posted by: Matthew_Langworthy Posted on: Nov 5th, 2005, 10:41pm
Thanx for the correction, Scot!    I'll have to check it out in a few eeks when I go to visit the family for Thanksgiving.  I will need some help with directions- is north at the top of the photo, as maps usually are? Where is it in relation to Route 21?  Also, it looks like the ROW snakes past the pit and continues on for quite a distance...
Posted by: streamline_j3 Posted on: Nov 6th, 2005, 10:29am
    I think that 21 is the red line that is just on the edge of the map(topo map), just on the eastern edge.
Posted by: slotracer Posted on: Nov 7th, 2005, 5:41pm
It has been a very long time since I have ben in Naples (Love the Concord Grape pies in the fall).....my mom used to enjoy Widmer's lake niagara wine (Is Widmers still in business or are they merged now ?)
 
Anyway, when April fools day 76 rolled around I stopped the regular railfanning I had been doing and a group of friends and I used to trace down old rights of way and shoot photos of old stations and the like for a few more years in the late seventies.
 
I recall we traced several old LV branches on a fall day in 1978 in the Northern Finger lakes and we did follow the Naples Branch, there were stations at least at Rushville and Naples (I think the naples one was an ofdfice or an art gallery) and we did walk the remains of teh right of way into town on the northeast side of the winery.  We looked over teh remains of the Naples yard which by 1978 was a grassy field.  It has been many years but I am nearly certain we paused at a grassy sink hole like area that we determined was the site of the old turntable.  I might be wrong as it has been 27 years but I beleive the turntable is long gone.
Posted by: Matthew_Langworthy Posted on: Nov 8th, 2005, 9:07pm
The tracks between Rushville and Naples were removed not long after service ended on that segment in 1970. According to http://www.lvrrmodeler.net/bflo_branch.html -the remainder of the Naples Branch was embargoed in early 1973. I don't know if the tracks ever returned to service under LV or CR, but the rails were still in place in the late '70s.  
 
P.S. Widmer was bought out by the Union Pacific of the wine business, Canandaigua Winery- which has since become Constellation brands. The Widmer label is still in use and the facility is still active but (as with Taylor in H'port) the wine ain't the same.  
Posted by: bwparker1 Posted on: Nov 8th, 2005, 9:25pm
Sorry to join this conversation late but yes, the bridge that carried the Ithaca passenger branch south and east from Geneva still exists, or at least it did when I last drove by in approx. 2001.  If you are heading north on 96A from the Romulus area, the bridge would be on your right hand side, just before the intersection with 5 & 20 and when I saw it, it looked like Snowmobiles used it to cross the creek.  Given the orientation you have to turn back nearly 180 degrees to see it as you pass by.
 
Brooks
Posted by: WNYRailfan Posted on: Nov 10th, 2005, 10:19pm
For those of you who have Mike Bednar's LVRR: Wyo and Buf Div. Book, there are some interesting photos on p94-95 and p125.  p 94 features the LV/NYC IC track and LV main bridge over the NYC Fallbrook Branch.  p 95 features the Geneva depot
p 125 features the NYC GY tower
 
Where was GY tower located?
 
As far as the Naples branch...most of the ROW is still visible from Naples to Geneva
It crosses Rt 245 about half way between Naples and Rushville.  As mentioned the ugly frt house still exists (the passenger depot was better looking).  The ROW buries itself in the fields and reappears as well.  The depot in Gorham still stands (I have a bunch of pics from 2003 if anyone who is interested).  If I still lived in Western NY I would have attempted to restore that depot.  The bridge abutments in Gorham still exist too.  Stanley is also interesting to explore.
Posted by: Matthew_Langworthy Posted on: Nov 11th, 2005, 11:21pm
I purchased Bednar's book last spring- the pics of the Naples Branch are amazing.  It's a pity that a shortline didn't pick up the the operation of the branch after LV went out of business but I guess CR had bigger concerns and the track conditions didn't look very good in 1971.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Sep 8th, 2012, 6:35pm
Reviving this baby almost 7 years later!
 
I have a couple questions.
 
1) Is the area where the Naples turn-table still undeveloped and if not......is it accessible?
 
2) And would anyone happen to have a picture of the main-line bridge over Route 14?  
 
I remember passing under that bridge a few times as a youth (1984-1985) and seeing that bridge with its <LV> on there! I know Ken Kraemer's book as a shot in it, but otherwise haven't seen it.
 
Thanks guys!
Charlie
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Oct 16th, 2012, 1:43am
Charlie, here's the LVRR bridge over Exchange St. in Geneva. The view is looking south towards downtown. I had this pic saved but can't find where it came from for credit. Maybe it's the one you spoke of. Anyway, judging from the cars along the road it's about 1975 or so. That bridge was WAY up in the air. The massive stone abutments are still there.  
 
The bridge I'd like to see a pic of is the Genesee St. Bridge in Geneva, right by the LV Station. That was the coolest bridge, with its center pier and yellow flashing caution lights. Sadly it's just a memory now
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Oct 16th, 2012, 1:38pm
As requested:
 
Lehigh Valley Railroad bridge over Genesee Street, Geneva, NY. Took this photo on 07 October 1984 purely on a whim.
 
The tracks over this bridge were gone by June, 1983 and the future of this structure, especially with that pier in the middle of Genesee Street, did not appear to be all that bright.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Oct 16th, 2012, 2:06pm
Nice pics! Bob, that looks similar to the one in Ken Kraemer's book (Exchange St pic). Yes, it seems like those bridges disappeared shortly after the tracks were removed in that 1983 timeframe. I do remember that Exchange Street bridge was WAY up there! Here are a couple shots of the remaining abutments.
 
East side
 

 
West side
 

Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Oct 16th, 2012, 5:52pm
NICE TB Diamond! I haven't seen that bridge since moving away from home in 1983.  
 Now I just need the bridges over E. North St. and Doran Ave. Here is Pre-Emption St., looking north from the yards.
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Oct 16th, 2012, 7:06pm
Thanks  to all you guys that had the brains to take photos of something that was in danger of going away. My hat is off to you. I never had that much sense.  Take err easy.  Keith
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Oct 17th, 2012, 12:59pm
Hey, the photos that I should have had the good sense to take but did not would fill several Kodak 144-slide carousels.  
 
To answer an almost seven year old query above, GY Tower was located in the southwest corner of the LVRR/Corning Secondary crossing.  
 
The photo should clarify the location. I was standing on the LVRR r/o/w when taking it, view to the west. The scene depicts a a ConRail lite power move which went over the Auburn Road to Syracuse. Taken on a dismal, cold and damp 24 April 1976.
 
The tower was abandoned in the 1980s and was subsequently demolished.
Posted by: davidyur Posted on: Oct 17th, 2012, 4:57pm
does anyone have any photos of the LV when it crossed over what is now the park on Seneca lake on its way to the Geneva station.  There must have been a very long overpass getting the tracks to the station.  From the looks of the abbutments still standing off of  Rte. 5-20 it was a very high overpass and must have been quite a structure.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Oct 17th, 2012, 6:17pm
DAVIDYUR the LVRR didn't go through the park. It came up the east side of the lake, on the tracks that now belong to Finger Lakes railway. Crossing 5&20 on the current bridge, they then ran on the high embankment through the city on the way to the station. The track that FGLK uses to get from their yard to the old LVRR is actually an old LV yard track. The LV had a yard between the embankment and 5&20.  
 
This picture shows a LV train on the main, crossing the bridge over the NYC Fallbrook line, now belonging to FGLK. The west side abutment to this bridge still exists, but the east one is gone, along with that section of the embankment. FGLK built a connector right through there to get to the old LV yard track.
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Oct 17th, 2012, 6:25pm
David, are you thinking of the bridge over East North Street? Reason i ask is because that seems to describe the area you mentioned, with the remaining abutments and all.
 
Charlie
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Oct 17th, 2012, 6:36pm
Another, of of a LV F7 unit high up crossing the Fallbrook line
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Oct 17th, 2012, 6:49pm
The LV Geneva yard, just a few weeks from Conrail. View is looking west toward Geneva, with 5&20, Seneca Lake State Park, and Seneca Lake to the left, and the LV Main on the embankment on the right. Some of the poles are still there, but the embankment has been ravaged through this section. FGLK now uses this yard track to reach the old LVRR main track, running to Kendaia and the old Seneca Army Depot.
Posted by: LV319 Posted on: Oct 17th, 2012, 7:54pm
Great pictures and history lessons guys, thanks for sharing.
Posted by: BlackDiamondRR Posted on: Oct 17th, 2012, 9:47pm
Kendaia 1,
   Your photo of the LV "F-7" on the bridge is actually an FT A&B, dating the photo to the early to mid 50's I would think.
     Bud
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Oct 17th, 2012, 9:54pm
The last photo in this thread represents the east Geneva Yard throat. The track to the left was the scale track. The small wood structure was the yard office and the white trailer to the left of the yard office housed the yard clerks and other administrative functionaries.
 
The LVRR embankment from the Corning Secondary bridge-east was, I believe, used for fill when the Routes 5 & 20 bypass was widened in the late 1980s.  
 
The original bypass was constructed L/1950s-E/1960s. Prior to its construction Routes 5 & 20 was a two lane highway that was located right on the north shore of Seneca Lake. Winter storms with south winds would convert the roadway to a sheet of ice.
 
The FT photo alluded to above may have been a train called the "Geneva Turn" This operated out of Sayre via Ithaca to Geneva where it turned back to Sayre.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Oct 17th, 2012, 10:23pm
on Oct 17th, 2012, 9:47pm, BlackDiamondRR wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Kendaia 1,
   Your photo of the LV "F-7" on the bridge is actually an FT A&B, dating the photo to the early to mid 50's I would think.
     Bud

 
Bud, thanks for the correction. You guys would know much better than me. I thought there was a B unit there but it's a bit fuzzy.  
 
 And Thanks Paul for the help with the narration. Always appreciated!
 
The embankment fill may well have been used in the 5&20 project. This past year FGLK took some more fill out of there, closer to where the yard offices were, for a project they were doing in the Solvay area I believe. At least it went there in rail cars instead of over the highway in trucks.
Posted by: BlackDiamondRR Posted on: Oct 18th, 2012, 5:16pm
Kendaia 1,  
     The FT photo was a good one for me, regardless of its being a bit fuzzy. Within the past year I acquired a set of custom painted brass LV FT's, which my good friend Lee Turner weathered into "museum quality" models, so FT's have moved up to the top of my favorite LV diesel list!
     Bud
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Oct 18th, 2012, 6:11pm
This is my favorite Lehigh Valley picture, around Geneva or anywhere. LV 300 leads the way eastbound over the Seneca River Bridge. You can't find a railroad today that looks as handsome as this. The Cornell Red really pops at you here. I still pass here quite often but have never been able to catch the FGLK going this way. There is new business in the old Army Depot and the line has had quite alot of maintenance recently.
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Oct 18th, 2012, 7:54pm
I'd love to see FGLK's #2201 (which has a paint scheme based on LV) pulling a train on the former LV between Geneva and the Seneca Army Depot.
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Oct 18th, 2012, 10:58pm
This photograph was taken at the west end of the Seneca Canal bridge. Depicted is CG-1 (Odessa Local) on 29 April 1975.
Posted by: davidyur Posted on: Oct 19th, 2012, 11:09am
thx for all the info.  Now I know how that one large still standing abutment paralelling 5-20 fit into the picture.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Oct 19th, 2012, 5:34pm
Great shot, TB, that one put a smile on my face!
Posted by: charlie6017 Posted on: Oct 19th, 2012, 6:04pm
Ditto............I have an affinity for those Alco road switchers. Great shot!
 
Charlie
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Oct 19th, 2012, 9:32pm
Thanks, guys.
 
Billy McLane was the engineer on this job. Glad that I sent him a 8x10 of this photo several years ago.
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2012, 4:53pm
Just a few clarifications, The Resturant you talk about in shortsville, and the freight station are both the New York Central auburn line stations, The Lehigh Valley Historical society is in the freight house. Also, The main line from victor is now owned by the LA&L, not the Ontario Central. Don Brown was switching the insulator plant, but his loco has not been there for a while and I believe the fingerlakes railway has been doing it, could be wrong on that, will find out this Saturday as I will be working for the Fingerlakes Railway on 2 excursion trains this weekend  
Posted by: Matthew_L Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2012, 7:12pm
Correction: the LA&L no longer owns the Ontario Central. The operation was sold to the Finger Lakes Railway several years ago. The tracks have been property of Ontario County since the late '70s.  
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Oct 23rd, 2012, 10:54pm
FGLK definitely serves the insulator plant in Victor, NY.  
 
Caught The job departing Manchester with 2 loads which they spotted up at the plant on Tuesday, 02 October 2012. They had the FGLK 2310 for power and left Victor with one empty covered hopper car.
Posted by: Sprung_Frog Posted on: Nov 5th, 2012, 4:59am
Eastbound signals at Geneva jct.
 
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3265269
 
A westbound crossing the Genesee street bridge. 5-23-75  
The picture is level,its the super elevation of the main line curve that makes the train lean.
Charles
Posted by: Sprung_Frog Posted on: Nov 5th, 2012, 5:05am
One more pic of the station looking west. You can just see the small engine facility at the west end of the station where the Naples branch came in.
Charles
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Nov 5th, 2012, 6:12am
Awesome pictures Charles, thanks!!
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Nov 5th, 2012, 5:48pm
Any more Charlie from the Geneva, Manchester, Rochester Junction area??
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Nov 5th, 2012, 9:53pm
AP-2 about to cross the Genesee Street bridge in Geneva, NY on 21 July 1974.
 
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Nov 5th, 2012, 10:19pm
Awesome, thanks Paul!!
Posted by: Henry Posted on: Nov 6th, 2012, 9:28am
on Nov 5th, 2012, 9:53pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
AP-2 about to cross the Genesee Street bridge in Geneva, NY on 21 July 1974.
 

 
I hope you don't mind, it was such an interesting picture that I just had to work it over to bring out some detail in the shadows...
 
Henry
Posted by: TB_Diamond Posted on: Nov 6th, 2012, 2:03pm
Yep, the shot was extremely backlit. Would have taken me hours in the darkroom to make it come out right.
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2014, 10:43pm
Found this photo of the LVRR Geneva Station at the Geneva Historical Society site. Their caption states, "Mr. Moxom, a photo technician stationed at Sampson Naval Training Station, took this photo of the Lehigh Valley Railroad depot in the 1940s. There's steam, there's internal combustion, there's a man-powered luggage cart - it has everything."
Posted by: mtcg16 Posted on: Jan 15th, 2014, 6:51am
Awesome!!
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Jan 15th, 2014, 7:43am
I'm surprised to see that by the 1940's the whole platform canopy was already taken down. Just can't understand why they would do that.
 
Also, comparing the 1940's pic to 1970's... the chimney disappears, along with what looks like a skylight right nearby. The Station sign "GENEVA" is on the earlier view, moved to the East side of the building from the canopy when it was taken down.  
 
Additionally, painted onto the stonework, just right of the car's hood, is a message that reads:  
 
This Space Reserved
US Mail Truck
No Parking Here
 
Didn't notice THAT when we toured last spring!
 
 
Bob
Posted by: darktown2 Posted on: Jan 15th, 2014, 9:06pm
Just saw Bruce Tracy today Bob and we are still talking about that station tour. Thanks for all the work making it happen.  Keith
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Jan 15th, 2014, 10:21pm
on Jan 15th, 2014, 9:06pm, darktown2 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Just saw Bruce Tracy today Bob and we are still talking about that station tour. Thanks for all the work making it happen.  Keith

 
Keith, I am so happy you all enjoyed it so much. I had always wanted to get inside too; We just got really lucky that Bob Fitzgerald (owner) was such a great host to us! And it is always fun getting together with all the guys here, and we gained a few more last year too!
 
I've been wondering what we are going to do this spring. Buffalo has been tossed around before; but I would really like to get a tour of Sayre. The yards, the station. Maybe Sayre-Towanda. I always like the trip down thru Odessa-VanEtten-Sayre. I know at least a few of us upstaters have never had a proper trip around Sayre before, maybe someone could get something started. I know this should be in the other thread, but it's just an idea thus far. I think a Sayre tour would probably be very well attended.
 
Maybe we could all stay in Mahoopany at Bednar's!  
 
Bob
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: Jan 15th, 2014, 10:26pm
I plan to be attending this years meet-up.......hated missing last year's fun. I wouldn't mind getting back to Sayre again and would even like to explore further east this year, too.
 
Nice shots of the station, Bob--thanks for posting them. Really like the 1940s shot.
 
Charlie
Posted by: DElder Posted on: Jan 17th, 2014, 8:19am
Bob:  
I too am still kicking myself a bit for missing last year's get-together (but 1,100 miles of distance does unfortunately lead to having to make those tough decisions!).  Will at least "seriously consider" making it this year (and maybe we all need to start lobbying TB to attend also when you get a date set).  Glad you guys all got to tour the Geneva depot and to see Steve Peck's incredible T-Burg layout project last year!
 
If Sayre indeed turns out to be the destination, I've been corresponding with an ex-LV gentleman on and off for about 10 years now, and he just happens to live in Sayre.  I suspect that he might be a good resource for local info, and may be willing to show the gang around a bit.  We can discuss that more later.
   Doug
Posted by: Kendaia1 Posted on: Oct 10th, 2017, 12:45pm
A 1901 view of Sherril St, Geneva with the LV Station looming at the end of the street. Geneva Historical Society