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« Reply #140 on: Jul 20th, 2012, 11:29pm »
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This photo depicts the New York Central at the LVRR interchange in the Rochester Subway circa 1967. Photo taken by Richard F. Pearson.
 
Scan of a duplicate slide posted with Mr. Pearson's permission.


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« Reply #141 on: Jul 21st, 2012, 7:42am »
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Thanks Paul, awesome as always!

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« Reply #142 on: Jul 21st, 2012, 8:48am »
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on Jul 20th, 2012, 11:29pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
This photo depicts the New York Central at the LVRR interchange in the Rochester Subway circa 1967. Photo taken by Richard F. Pearson.
 
Scan of a duplicate slide posted with Mr. Pearson's permission.

 
hmmm..im not convinced that that photo shows a NYC/LV interchange..
I cant tell exactly where that photo was taken, but it's not on the LV side of the river..its probably on the other (west) end of the Tunnel, where the NYC met the Subway north of the NYC mainline, in the vicinity of the current Rochester soccer stadium..Which means it could show a NYC train interchanging with the B&O, or the NYC working its own customers in the subway vicinity..that photo doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the LV..
 
There is no question that *Penn Central* and the LV interchanged in Rochester! but PC is not the same thing as NYC...
 
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« Reply #143 on: Jul 21st, 2012, 7:04pm »
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Here is a second of Mr. Pearson's photos that he took on the same day in the same area.
 
Note that Midtown Plaza shows in the left background.  
 
FYI: The E-L also came in to the LVRR Rochester yard at times, this in order to turn TOFC cars on the LV turntable.


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« Reply #144 on: Jul 21st, 2012, 11:21pm »
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ah ha! well I'll be..
that bridge in the first photo totally threw me!
I was thinking "the only bridge that crosses over the Subway in the vicinity of the LV-Subway interchange is the Court street bridge..and the bridge in that photo clearly cant be the Court street bridge, therefore the photo cant be on the LV side of the river"..
 
but the photo tricked me..things have changed a lot since '67!
That bridge is the *Route 490 Bridge"!
before it was even Route 490..it was only the primordial inner loop then..
 
Ok then, im convinced..I take it back..that is a NYC switcher right in the heart of LV territory!    
 
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« Reply #145 on: Jul 22nd, 2012, 9:02am »
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on Jul 8th, 2012, 10:12am, Rich Chapin wrote:       (Click here for original message)
This is a scan of an article in the Feb 25, 1928 Railway Age. Shows LV gondola from the 31000 series that had been converted to handle LCL merchandise containers. Those containers were leased from the LCL Corporation [hence the author]. The NY Central also use these containers.
 
Fifty [50] of the LV series 31000 to 31099 gondolas were converted for container service. Their exterior dimensions were 52’ 7” L,  6’8” H [top above rails and 10’ 3” W.
 
The exact location of this photo is unknown, but based on the date of publication it could be Buffalo, Rochester, New York or Newark, as the LV started this service in January 1928 between these points.

 
Just to expand on the gondolas that were used for "container" service;
 
The following is from the 1928, “The Official Railway Equipment Register”:
 
Gondola, Steel, Drop Ends, Container (Note T) – Road No’s 31000-31099 – Outside Length 52’ 7” – Capacity 140,000 lbs  
 
(Note T) - Individual numbers of cars in series 31000 to 31099 equipped with containers and differing in dimensions from other numbers in the same series; outside length 52 ft. 7 in; width at eaves or top sides of platform 9 ft; height from rail to eaves or top of sides or platform 11 ft. 3 in; height from rail to extreme height 11 ft. 10 in.              
 
31000, 31001, 31004, 31005, 31007, 31009, 31011, 31015, 31017, 31020, 31022, 31026, 31027, 31028, 31030, 31033, 31034, 31035, 31037, 31039, 31041, 31042, 31043, 31045, 31046, 31047, 31048, 31049, 31051, 31052, 31054, 31055, 31058, 31060, 31066, 31068, 31069, 31071, 31074, 31077, 31082, 31083, 31084, 31086, 31087, 31089, 31091, 31092, 31096, 31099.  
 
A total of 50 cars.
 
In 1931 the number of cars used is reduced to 33;  
 
31000, 31001, 31005, 31007, 31017, 31020, 31026, 31027, 31030, 31033, 31035, 31042, 31046, 31047, 31049, 31052, 31055, 31058, 31060, 31066, 31068, 31071, 31074, 31077, 31082, 31083, 31084, 31086, 31087, 31091, 31092, 31096, 31099.  
 
In 1932 the number of cars used is reduced to 15;  
 
31000, 31007, 31017, 31026, 31027, 31042, 31055, 31058, 31060, 31068, 31082, 31086, 31091, 31092, 31099.  
 
In 1933 the number of cars used is reduced to 10.
 
31000, 31007, 31017, 31042, 31058, 31060, 31068, 31082, 31092, 31099.  
 
I do not have a copy of the 1934 ORER, but by 1935 the ORER suggests that the 31000 series gondolas are no longer providing container service.
 
 
 
The following is from the 1931, “The Official Railway Equipment Register”:
 
Added to equipment roster:
 
Gondola, Steel, Drop Sides, Container – Road No’s 27000-27024 – Outside Length 50’ 1-1/4” – Capacity 110,000 lbs.
 
A total of 25 cars.
 
The ORER’s through 1940 show the 27000-27024 series being used for container service.
 


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« Reply #146 on: Jul 22nd, 2012, 4:40pm »
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Scott:
 
I believe it was called the Howell Street bridge. Back in those days I was working down the subway a ways at the Culver Street Armory.
 
The changes in the downtown area of Rochester have been massive in the 45 years since Dick took those photos.
 
The first time I ever walked the subway near Court St. the old South Ave. loop was still standing. This was in early 1968. It did not last too long after that, however.
 
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« Reply #147 on: Sep 5th, 2012, 6:24am »
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on Feb 9th, 2011, 6:07pm, gfluck1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Stumbled across this at lunch today, 55' Well Flat Car, 3 cars built in 1913, Road No.'s 9951, 9952 (pictured) and 9953 were still in service and listed on the 1953 roster.

 
Below is the car diagram for the LV's Well-Hole Flats (from the 1931 CAR BUILDER'S CYCLOPEDIA OF AMERICAN PRACTICE).


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« Reply #148 on: Oct 5th, 2012, 12:54pm »
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on Jul 22nd, 2012, 4:40pm, TB_Diamond wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Scott:
 
I believe it was called the Howell Street bridge. ...
The first time I ever walked the subway near Court St. the old South Ave. loop was still standing. This was in early 1968. It did not last too long after that, however.
 
PJT

 
I took a photo around 1970 from the Troup-Howell St bridge over the Erie terminal - pre-I-490 days.
 
City of Rochester is holding its annual River Romance weekend, with a couple interpretive events at Broad Street.  I'd guess it's mostly to talk up plans to daylight the aqueduct.  A couple years ago, they took visitors into the subway south of the Lehigh depot and through the portion of it in the photos above.
The city's website has a page related to the dedication of the Heritage Trail, with a link to a PDF of "transportation and commerce."  A photo in upper right corner shows both the Lehigh and Erie depots.  The #1 point on the trail is the downtown library, across the street from the LV depot.
http://www.cityofrochester.gov/article.aspx?id=8589951966
 
FWIW, the Rochester Chapter NRHS November program is by Doug Parmalee, "Lehigh Valley Memories."  I'm told Doug was a Lehigh engineer in the final days.
http://rgvrrm.org/events/index.php
 
LV covered hopper that survived in Lehigh paint through 1985:
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1735654
 
Any background on choice of white for LV boxcars?
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1362338


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« Reply #149 on: Dec 9th, 2012, 6:33pm »
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on Jul 22nd, 2012, 9:02am, gfluck1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Just to expand on the gondolas that were used for "container" service;
 
 
Gondola, Steel, Drop Sides, Container – Road No’s 27000-27024 – Outside Length 50’ 1-1/4” – Capacity 110,000 lbs.
 
A total of 25 cars.
 
The ORER’s through 1940 show the 27000-27024 series being used for container service.
 

 
I am finishing construction of an HO model of one of the 27000-27024 drop side gondolas.  Is anyone aware of a photo of the Lehigh Valley cars?
 
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The Lehigh Valley 27000-27024 cars would be very similar to NYC S-337400 which was also built by the Standard Steel Car Co.  
 
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Pictured below is LV 34620, a 65’ drop-end gondola, originally built in 1941 by Bethlehem Steel, the Lehigh Valley will purchase 150, road numbers 34050-34199. In 1969, the LV would sell 60 of that series to US Railway Leasing, who would rebuilt them and lease them back as series 34600-34659 in 1970.


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In 1956 the Lehigh Valley would purchase 100,  65' fishbelly side, steel floor, fixed end gondolas from Bethlehem Steel, series 34500-34599. Pictured is LV 34584.    



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on Apr 5th, 2011, 7:54pm, gfluck1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Plan & Elevation of the Express Milk Service Car

 
In 1927, the Lehigh Valley would purchase 20 additional AC&F built, 52' Express Milk Service Cars, classified as BM's, Road No.'s 1145-1164. Pictured below is LV 1152.


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Spotted this little beauty while surfing the web, LV 29651, Gondola, Steel Floor w/ Drop Ends, Inside Dimensions 40' L x 9' 4" W x 2' 1-3/4" H. From series 29000-30499 for a total of 1499 cars on the 1918 ORER. Used for revenue service until 1935.

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« Reply #155 on: Feb 12th, 2013, 1:29pm »
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GFLUCK,
 
Nice find on the milk car.  This is the best color photo I've seen of one and the only one that shows them with white lettering.  Any idea when and where it was taken?
 
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on Jan 21st, 2011, 7:42pm, gfluck1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Photo of LV 88501 (ex-PRR X56A class), from series 88501-88565, leased in 1964 from the PRR and added to roster in 1965. Inside dimensions: 50' 6"L x 9' 4"W x 10' 6"H with a capacity of 140,000 lbs, A total of 26 cars in series the following equipped with DF loaders: 88501, 88502, 88509, 88510, 88511, 88512, 88515, 88519, 88523, 88527, 88528, 88538, 88546, 88556, 88557, 88559, 88564 and 88565.

 
Photo of LV 88520 (ex-PRR X56A class), from series 88501-88565, leased in 1964 from the PRR and added to roster in 1965. Inside dimensions: 50' 6"L x 9' 4"W x 10' 6"H with a capacity of 140,000 lbs, A total of 8 cars in series the following equipped with doorway bars: 88504, 88520, 88526, 88530, 88536, 88547, 88559, 88549 and 88563.  


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on Jul 27th, 2011, 9:45am, Ray Stilwell wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Chuck,
 
Thanks for the data on the cars. I'll try LV15219 again.

 
Pictured below is LV 15077 (the predecessor to LV 15219), composite side, steel twin bottom, 110,000 lb capacity, from the 15001-16314 series, in 1951, 248 would be rebuilt with steel sides.


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I’m finishing up a Sunshine model of a LV 6000-60499 series boxcar.  Besides the attached which was in the kit, there is a photo in Archer’s book of one of the cars around 1937.  
 
Does anyone have a photo of one of them in the later 1940-1950's lettering scheme?  I don't think they were lettered the same as the better known left hand opening door cars
 
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Pictured below is LV 21118, a 50', Insulated Steel Boxcar w/ 8' Plug Doors and Bettendorf trucks orginally built by the PRR in their Samuel Rea Shops in Hollidaysburg, PA. The X53 Series, numbered 21000-21299 were built in 1959 thru 1960 and were equipped with 9, Belt Rail Evans "DF" Loaders and the application of heaters and were used for food products. The Lehigh Valley would lease 4 cars in 1964, road numbers 21212, 21214, 21215 and 21250 and added 21118 in 1967.


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