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davidyur
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ITHACA BRANCH
 
« on: Jul 19th, 2006, 12:28pm »
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Having just found the Ithaca Branch lead-in to Geneva Junction, on my way back down to PA, I stopped at a few areas along that branch - Hayts Corners, Interlaken, etc.  There's not much left, but you can generally still see either the grading or some of the road bed (covered by weeds!) at these locations.  When following the branch, it amazed me that it went through such rural, farm areas (right along corn fields), and, from reading company handbooks, etc., had a maximum speed of 70 mph!  I just can't picture those long passenger trains going at 70 through the countryside.  
 
It seems that pictures of the Ithaca Branch through these areas are almost non-existent.  Does anyone have any info or photos of the Ithaca Branch through Interlaken, Hayts Corners, etc.?
 
Thanks for any help.
 
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scottychaos
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« Reply #1 on: Jul 21st, 2006, 7:29am »
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David,
yeah, pictures of that section of the LV are few and far between..
probably just because it was never a very populated area..less railfans living there = less photos for us all now.
 
Probably 80% of all LV photos are East of Sayre to begin with..because the closer to get to NYC, the more people there are!
 
There are a few books that have some pics of central NY though..
I can recall some in the three "LV in color" morningside books.
 
Scot


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LEHIGHVALLEE
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« Reply #2 on: Jul 21st, 2006, 9:50am »
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 Pictures of the west end may not be as rare as they seem to be,but they are hard to come by. A big reason for this is that the railfans from that part were more separated and thus did not have as much of a chance to "network" like the fans in the east. In October 1953 the LV hosted a raifan tour for the Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse chapters of the R&LS to the Sayre shops. A quote from the Evening Times newspaper from Oct. 1953: " A group of 917 railfans descended on the Sayre shops for a tour today, MANY CARRYING TWO OR MORE CAMERAS". How many pictures of this trip have you seen? I've seen 3 or 4!
    Because of these fans being loners then the problem becomes when they age and pass away no one is there to rescue these photos and old uncle Freds collection of "train pictures" gets tossed or put away in someones attic. Now I'm not arguing the fact that much more film was expended on the eastern end but probably much of what was taken on the west end may be lost, or looking on the bright side, waiting to be discovered. Over the past few months a few of these photos have popped up on ebay but be forewarned, they go for big $$$$$$!


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LEHIGHVALLEE
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 21st, 2006, 12:39pm »
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Here is the Black Diamond, eastbound out of Ithaca near Spencer in the mid fifties

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Baronh
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 25th, 2008, 9:59pm »
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Re: Ithaca Branch. You may want to try and get a hold of issue #126 of the Railway and Historical Society Bulletin.  It is devoted entirely to the Lehigh Valley. Road was originally the Ithaca and Geneva (?), and was eventually merged in to and became the Ithaca Athens & Sayre.  This took place in the 1870"s.  Cornell University is the repository of many Lehigh Valley records.
 
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Baronh
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 25th, 2008, 10:02pm »
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REVISED:
Re: Ithaca Branch. You may want to try and get a hold of issue #126 of the Railway and Locomotive Historical Society Bulletin.  It is devoted entirely to the Lehigh Valley. Road was originally the Ithaca and Geneva (?), and was eventually merged in to and became the Ithaca Athens & Sayre.  This took place in the 1870's.  Cornell University is the repository of many Lehigh Valley records.
 
I have seen only one picture of Lehigh Valley train going west out of Ithaca.  Any of those pictures would be impressive as there was quite a grade going west and helpers were required to get the trains out of the valley.
 
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The_Swede
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 17th, 2008, 10:21am »
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You might want to track down "Lehigh Valley Memories" by Dave Marchand (sp?) published in Ithaca. ...it is strictly about the Valley's Finger Lakes lines and has a couple of photos of trains leaving Ithaca westbound, and one or more taken at Interlaken setting out/picking up milk cars at the creamery, which was right next to the station.  It covers mid 1940s to 1959 and the end of passenger service.  If you look on Ebay or Abebooks you will be suprised (shocked?) at the prices it commands used.  I was able to get a copy just last month at Ron's Books if I recall.  Point being, try some of the rail book specialists to see if they have left over stock or you will be paying over $100.  I dont think the DeWitt Historical Society still has any for sale.  John Svensson  ex-Trumansburger

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Kendaia1
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« Reply #7 on: Jan 15th, 2016, 2:40am »
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Reviving an old thread...
 
To my surprise, the Lehigh Valley Railroad's Ithaca Passenger Line has been in the news here twice in the last week! First in this unusual occurrence was an article in the FINGER LAKES TIMES. They run a weekly "Days of Yore" type historical feature about a topic from one of the local counties, and the article from last Sunday was about the Black Diamond! Most of the facts are accurate, but they got the location of Geneva Junction just a little off...
http://www.fltimes.com/lifestyle/way-back-when-in-seneca-county-memories-of-the-black/article_18386a5c-b56f-11e5-bb3a-8355a85f9bf0.html
 
Secondly, Thursday's ITHACA JOURNAL has an article about the Black Diamond Trail, which is the LV ROW from Taughannock Falls to Ithaca. An access path has been put in at the upper parking lot at Taughannock Falls State Park, where our group from Rochester visited several years ago. And several substantial bridges along the route have been rebuilt. Stone dust will be put down soon, and this section of the old Geneva, Ithaca and Athens RR will once again be open for our enjoyment!  
http://www.ithacajournal.com/story/news/local/2016/01/14/black-diamond-trail-completion/78372918/


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Kendaia1
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« Reply #8 on: Jan 15th, 2016, 2:48am »
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And speaking of the Black Diamond, here is an article and photo from Richard Palmer in the CNY Modelers Blog. The photo is from 1959 and shows the Black Diamond coming into Trumansburg. I want to find exactly where mile 316 was and take a current picture.  
 
http://cnymod.blogspot.com/2011/03/black-diamond-trumansburg-ny-in-1959.html#more


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Kendaia1
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« Reply #9 on: Jan 15th, 2016, 3:08am »
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Another pic from the ITHACA JOURNAL. I have seen this photo before somewhere... I believe it's a view someplace between Ithaca and Trumansburg, but not 100% sure on that. Judging by the hill (high on the right side of the photo) I'd say this is a westbound charging up the grade to Trumansburg, Geneva, and beyond...

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DElder
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« Reply #10 on: Jan 15th, 2016, 3:53pm »
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Hey Bob:
Regarding the Richard Palmer picture of the Black Diamond pulling into T-burg:
Thought that I knew where this was from memory, but I did some quick checking to confirm.  Per the Oct. 1959 timetable, MP 316.2 is railroad-east of Trumansburg (east end of T-burg siding is shown as MP 318.1), so based on that, and a quick look at Bingmaps, I'm fairly confident that this picture was taken at what is now the intersection of "Falls Road" (14 and "Cayuga View Road", looking railroad-east.  Easy to locate...it's a bit east of the old T-burg cemetery.  
  Doug Elder  


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Kendaia1
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 15th, 2016, 4:59pm »
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Thanks Doug! So, He's past T-Burg and almost to Taughannock. Right where Falls Rd. veers off away from the roadbed. Here's a link to the Bing Image.
 
http://www.bing.com/mapspreview?&cp=r2ptv38mdqqh&lvl=19&dir=270&style=b&v=2&sV=1&form=S00027
 
Sometime when I get a chance I'll go to that house and see if I can get permission to poke around in the treeline! Thanks again  
 
Bob


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DElder
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 15th, 2016, 5:10pm »
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Yup, that's the place.  I wonder if either of those concrete foundations for the signal and the phone box might still be there?
   Doug


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« Reply #13 on: Jan 15th, 2016, 6:33pm »
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Thanks for posting the photo's and article Bob. Great Photo's.

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Kendaia1
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Here is the eastbound Black Diamond stopped at Ithaca in 1959. (another Richard Palmer collection)  
http://cnymod.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2014-12-13T07:36:00-05:00&max-results=5&start=215&by-date=false


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mppiechLVRR
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« Reply #15 on: Jan 18th, 2016, 7:26pm »
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This is my first visit to this forum and the Ithaca pictures are wonderful. I wasn't even a year old when the Black Diamond was discontinued. Ithaca is where I was born and raised. I have posted photos on FB of the relocated Ithaca yard.


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Martin Piech
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« Reply #16 on: Jan 18th, 2016, 7:56pm »
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Welcome aboard, Martin......we're glad to have you join us. There's a good group of people on these boards.  
 
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