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(Message started by: firstbelt on Jan 3rd, 2011, 7:26pm)

Title: LNE Cement Car Thread
Post by firstbelt on Jan 3rd, 2011, 7:26pm
Found this digging back through slides from early days of Conrail: L&NE and DL&W hoppers on eastbound freight.
http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2354555

Bob

Title: Re: rolling stock photo
Post by IRR on Jan 8th, 2011, 2:41pm
It always amazes me how LNE painted freight cars were still running around in the Conrail era....The CNJ did paint some of them but this one obviously escaped somehow..Great pic! :)

Title: Re: rolling stock photo
Post by gfluck1 on Jun 30th, 2014, 10:44pm
Pictured below is LNE 18001, is a 70-ton, 2003 cuft, twin-bay covered hopper, commonly referred to as the GV-2. Greenville Steel Car Company would deliver 100 cars (Road No.s 18001-18100) in April of 1957. The series would be sold off before abandonment in 1961. (Photo is GSC builder's photo)

Outside Length - 35' 3"
Inside Length - 26' 3-5/8"
Inside Width - 9' 5-1/2"
Extreme Height - 12' 11-5/8"
Truck Center - 25' 3"
Trucks - Barber S-2 w/ Timken roller bearings
Power Hand Brake - Champion-Peacock w/ generic hand wheel
Hatches - 8 each, 2' 11-3/4" Diameter
Outlets - 4 each, Enterprise, 13" x 24" opening w/ 2106 discharge valves
Paint - Body is gray w/ black lettering, slope sheets and center sill were black

Title: Re: rolling stock photo
Post by Marty_Feldner on Jul 1st, 2014, 5:20am
This is the one that Kadee released in HO a few years ago.

Title: Re: rolling stock photo
Post by ClearBoard on Jul 3rd, 2014, 11:17am
LNE 12275 - 70-ton, twin-hopper, covered hopper with ten-hatch design and 1790 cu ft capacity built by ACF beginning July, 1937.  Exterior color is light cement grey with black slope sheets and under frame.  Car 12275 appeared at the 1939 New York World’s Fair – photo purchased from Bob’s Photo #FLNE8

Title: Re: rolling stock photo
Post by ClearBoard on Jul 3rd, 2014, 11:19am
LNE 70-ton, ACF Cement Hoppers

Summary of notes from various sources

Series 12101 – 12665 Cars:

70-ton, twin-hopper, covered hopper with ten-hatch design and 1790 cu ft capacity built by ACF beginning July, 1937.  In one instance, a car of this type was reportedly unloaded into a floating barge in 22 minutes (see Railway Age 1939).  

Jahn (1996) lists several builders’ / construction dates, including: 1937 (175 cars), 1938 (50 cars), 1939 (50 cars), 1940 (75 cars), 1941 (115 cars) and 1942 (100 cars) – total 565 cars - Series 12101 – 12565.

Jahn (op cit) also reports an addition 100 cars were built by ACF after the war in 1948.  The post war cars were reportedly of similar construction except they had eight loading / roof hatches.

For additional notes on post-LNE cars – please see Jahn (op cit)

Dimensions per Railway Age (1939):

Length over striking plates      32’ 3 5/8”
Length, inside                  26’ 3 5/8”
Width, inside                  9’ 8”
Width, overall                  10’ 4”
Height, rail to side plate            11’ 10”
Trucks      70-ton AAR double truss / coil-elliptic springs / chilled iron wheels
Truck centers                  22’ 5 5/8”
Journals                  6” x 11”
Truck wheel base            5’ 8”
Light weight                  53,800
Weight, car body            34,680
Weight, trucks                  19,120
Load Limit                  156,200
Capacity                  1,790
Brakes                        AB


Available LNE Service Info:

ORER October 1947 lists 565 cars in the 12101 to 12565 series

ORER April 1951 lists 565 cars but the series is expanded to include road numbers 12101 to 12665 – Assuming this increase reflects 100 post-war ACF cars built in 1948

ORER June 1962 lists 498 cars in the 12101 to 12665 series – now L&NE Railway Co.


Selected References:

Railway Age, Aug 2, 1939, L&NE Covered hopper cars for cement handling, pp 287 – 288 – detailed car construction with photos and drawings

Railway Mechanic Engineer, September 1939 – do not have

Car builders Cyclopedia, 1940, (15th edition), pp 2-286 to 2-287 - short write-up with photos and measured drawing

Jahn, RW, 1996, L&NE early bulk cement cars, FD&S, vol. 12, no 3, pp 26 – 30

Lilly, D.E., 1988, The LNE Color Retrospect, page 63


Title: Re: rolling stock photo
Post by ClearBoard on Jul 3rd, 2014, 11:51am
LNE 12734 – Pullman Standard, 70-ton, twin-bay, cement car with eight square roof hatches and 1958 cu ft capacity built by PS Michigan City Plant, August 1953 – Lot #8130, 100 cars, LNE Series 12701 – 12800.  Photo taken Cedar Hill, New Haven, Conn, 2-23-1954 - purchased from Bob’s Photo #FLNE1

Additional Reference: Kaminski, E.S, 2007, Pullman standard freight cars, 1900-1960; Signature Press, Berkley, pp 129-130

Title: Re: rolling stock photo
Post by ClearBoard on Jul 3rd, 2014, 12:10pm
LNE 18131 – Pullman Standard PS-2 design, 70-ton, twin-bay, cement hopper with eight round roof hatches and 2003 cu ft capacity built by PS’ Butler Plant, April 1957.  Photo taken Providence, RI, June1958 - purchased from Bob’s Photo #FLNE11

Title: Re: rolling stock photo
Post by ClearBoard on Jul 3rd, 2014, 12:17pm
I was just wondering if we should change the name of this thread to "LNE Cement Cars" - better fitting with the LNE boxcar info or easier to finding in the future, etc.  

Title: Re: LNE Cement Car Thread
Post by Charlie Ricker on Jul 3rd, 2014, 7:11pm
Done deal.......I renamed the thread to "LNE Cement Car Thread".  8)

Charlie

Title: Re: LNE Cement Car Thread
Post by NS3360 on Jul 4th, 2014, 7:57am
Some of the first bulk cement cars in the country were built by the L&NE from coal hoppers. 12001-12020 were rebuilt in 1932 and 12021-12080 were rebuilt in 1933. L&NE later worked closely with ACF to develop a standard design for bulk cement hoppers which they later received beginning in 1937.

Title: Re: LNE Cement Car Thread
Post by ClearBoard on Jul 4th, 2014, 9:45am
Thanks, Charlie.

Title: Re: LNE Cement Car Thread
Post by ClearBoard on Jul 4th, 2014, 10:37am
Knew the Valley rebuilt coalies into covered hoppers, so suspected other roads did too, but did not have details for the LNE.  Likewise, had no details on GV-2s, so thanks to both for the info.

The April 1951 ORER lists 35, 70-ton cement cars with road numbers 12666-12700.  They were just over 35-feet long with 1790 cu ft capacity and lasted into the CNJ acquisition (June 1962 ORER).  I do not have any war-time ORERs, so not sure when they began their service or who made them.

Title: Re: LNE Cement Car Thread
Post by gfluck1 on Jul 4th, 2014, 12:27pm
The April 1951 ORER lists 35, 70-ton cement cars with road numbers 12666-12700.  They were just over 35-feet long with 1790 cu ft capacity and lasted into the CNJ acquisition (June 1962 ORER).  I do not have any war-time ORERs, so not sure when they began their service or who made them.
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The only information on the aforementioned that I have is that they were built by Bethlehem Steel in 1950.

Title: Re: LNE Cement Car Thread
Post by ClearBoard on Jul 8th, 2014, 8:59am
A former LNE PS-2 covered hopper remains on duty 19 years after the LNE closed-up shop.  Under Missouri Pacific ownership, the former LNE cement car (now MP 600637) is seen at Hays, Kansas on an afternoon turn during spring 1979.  The old billboard style, LNE livery was a welcome sight, caught while working on my master’s thesis 1500 miles from home.

Title: Re: LNE Cement Car Thread
Post by ClearBoard on Jul 8th, 2014, 9:01am
At the time, Hays was served by the Union Pacific.  Several photos were snapped while the crew worked setouts at a local grain mill.  This right side view shows the old fried egg overlain by the former MoPac herald.  A scan of the 30-odd year old print also shows the Enterprise door, shaker attachment, and roping hook detail as well as a faded 2003-cu foot capacity stencil and some battle damage to the ladder.

Title: Re: LNE Cement Car Thread
Post by ClearBoard on Jul 8th, 2014, 9:03am
A very faint LNE remains on the A-end, but the car’s former number is painted out   Did not get close enough to see casing marks on the plain bearing trucks or brake plate – the B-end had similar battle damage.

Title: Re: LNE Cement Car Thread
Post by ClearBoard on Jul 8th, 2014, 9:05am
A close-up of the overlapping heralds and 4-57 builders date wraps-up this series on the former LNE cement hopper.

Title: Re: LNE Cement Car Thread
Post by gfluck1 on May 9th, 2015, 12:43pm

on 07/08/14 at 08:59:52, ClearBoard wrote:
A former LNE PS-2 covered hopper remains on duty 19 years after the LNE closed-up shop.  Under Missouri Pacific ownership, the former LNE cement car (now MP 600637) is seen at Hays, Kansas on an afternoon turn during spring 1979.  The old billboard style, LNE livery was a welcome sight, caught while working on my master’s thesis 1500 miles from home.


Clearboard,
Below is MP 700496 (photo from George Elwood's Fallen Flags), another of the former LNE's PS2 covered hoppers (Series 18101-18200) which was actually on the roster of  the MP subsidiary, Missouri Illinois, Series 6150-6199 until the merger in November, 1978. All 50 cars made it to roster, Series 700450-700499. The previously posted MP 600637 was the other half of MP's acquisition of the LNE's PS2s and were numbered Series 3900-3949 prior to the MI merger.

Title: Re: LNE Cement Car Thread
Post by Rwerner on Jan 14th, 2016, 10:24pm

on 07/04/14 at 12:27:13, gfluck1 wrote:
The April 1951 ORER lists 35, 70-ton cement cars with road numbers 12666-12700.  They were just over 35-feet long with 1790 cu ft capacity and lasted into the CNJ acquisition (June 1962 ORER).  I do not have any war-time ORERs, so not sure when they began their service or who made them.The only information on the aforementioned that I have is that they were built by Bethlehem Steel in 1950.


I found a builder's photo of a member of series 12666-12700, namely 12674:

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=lne12674&o=lne


I also found a builder's photo of one of the PS-2 cars (18101-18200), car 18167:

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=lne18167&o=lne

Title: Re: LNE Cement Car Thread
Post by gfluck1 on Jan 9th, 2018, 7:00am
The attached is from the August 19, 1939, "Railway Age", "L. & N.E. COVERED HOPPER CARS FOR CEMENT HANDLING".

Title: Re: LNE Cement Car Thread
Post by gfluck1 on Jan 9th, 2018, 7:01am
"L. & N.E. COVERED HOPPER CARS FOR CEMENT HANDLING" - Continued.



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