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(Message started by: njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 8:46pm)

Title: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 8:46pm
Another quick trip to Pine Island, NY starting here at Walling Avenue somewhere in the vicinity.

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Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 8:51pm
Some bridge abutments

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Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 8:52pm
Some additional shots

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Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 8:55pm
Following the trail it appears to have crossed this yard.

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Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 8:58pm
Going towards another direction, we came across this sign and the railbed

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Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 9:00pm
The ROW towards NJ.

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Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 9:02pm
We spot this bridge not to far from Junction road where the railbed is facing towards NJ.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 9:03pm
Just another shot of the bridge.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 9:04pm
Is this Pine Island Junction?

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 9:07pm
Looking at some map of Railroads seem to suggest the direction was this way and was heading to Pine Island. Please let me know if this is correct?

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 9:10pm
To Florida?

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Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 9:13pm
We believe this is the ROW from the Junction.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 9:15pm
Continuing the trail.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 9:17pm
Looking the other way back towards Pine Island.

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Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 9:21pm
What appears to be the ROW in the yard along with some RR related cement structure

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Jan 14th, 2006, 9:23pm
Back on the main towards Florida.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by Marty_Feldner on Jan 14th, 2006, 9:54pm
Ken-

The ROW alongside of Missionland Road was the main. Pine Island Junction was a couple of miles north of there, north of the hamlet, and west of Pulaski Highway.

The 'junction' you were near was for the Glenwood branch (Pochuck Railroad). That ROW is the one you show crossing the curve of Newport Bridge Rd, by the old Kamarad farm.

The bridge abutments by Walling Road (not Ave.) were for a never-built extension south from that branch to another limestone quarry (the Glenwood served at least one limestone quarry, and a couple of granite quarries up on Pochuck Mountain).

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Jan 15th, 2006, 10:23am
Marty,

As usual, thanks for the clarification.


I just found a copy of the Midlander Trainsheet of the Pochuck Railroad. Perhaps there is some good information in there for this area.

There is a map of of the live and abandoned RRs in this area that says "Empire Quarry" Are the any remains of this?

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by lt230s on Jan 16th, 2006, 10:40am

on 01/15/06 at 10:23:16, njvike wrote:
Marty,

There is a map of of the live and abandoned RRs in this area that says "Empire Quarry" Are the any remains of this?

Ken,
Marty probably knows better being more of a local around there, but there may be remains to see. Although you most likely would need permission being private property. I know a couple of years ago there was talk of reopening it by someone, but it got shot down by (do I dare say it? ;D) the NIMBYs and such.
You should have given me a shout when you were going. You missed the biggest RR related item in Pine Island and that's the station. It has an addition on the front and used to be a NAPA(Never Any Parts Available, as my dad always liked to joke) store but is now a dance studio(?). Last I knew the station was still intact although attached to the newer building. Check out picture here http://www.gingerb.com/ERIE%20Pine%20Island,%20NY%20Station.jpg/. The addition is where the young man is standing in front of the station.
John

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Jan 16th, 2006, 12:42pm
John,

I should have checked with you first as I remembered you mentioned something about it not too long ago.

As for the link, I can't get to it. Perhaps it was removed.

I'm not done in that area just yet so expect a message asking for you to join us :-)

Ken

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by lt230s on Jan 17th, 2006, 10:06am
Ken,
try this one:
http://www.gingerb.com/lne_trackage_rights_on_erie.htm
John

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Feb 8th, 2006, 5:49am
John,

Thanks - It works :-)

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by lt230s on Apr 4th, 2006, 1:18pm
Not meaning to hi-jack Ken's thread but I happened to be in Pine Island last month and took some photos of the existing station & area.
The station is now attached to a bigger, newer building. I'm not sure when the new building was built but it housed up until last year a NAPA auto parts store. It now is what appears to be a pre-school type business. I did not go inside as it looked like there was a birthday party of some sort going on, on this blustery Sunday afternoon. They have painted the outside and did some sprucing up as you'll see in the pics to follow.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by lt230s on Apr 4th, 2006, 1:22pm
Other side of station.

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Post by lt230s on Apr 4th, 2006, 1:22pm
End view of station.

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Post by lt230s on Apr 4th, 2006, 1:23pm
Another side view.

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Post by lt230s on Apr 4th, 2006, 1:24pm
A detail shot of roof support.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by lt230s on Apr 4th, 2006, 1:25pm
This is looking from station north toward junction where branch joins back up with mainline.

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Post by lt230s on Apr 4th, 2006, 1:27pm
Further north heading up Pulaski Highway towards Florida is crossing of the mainline. This is looking back south towards Pine Island.

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Post by lt230s on Apr 4th, 2006, 1:28pm
And finally for this sequence is the Pulaski Highway crossing looking north towards Florida.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Apr 6th, 2006, 8:25am
John,

Great Shots and thanks for adding to this thread. I was always wondering where this station was. Someone had told me a year or to ago and I just forgot.

We should pland a trip to explore up to Maybrook.

That reminds me, Maybrook museum should now be open  :)

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by CAR FLOATER on Apr 8th, 2006, 8:20pm
Ken -

The route North from Pine Island thru Goshen to Campbell Hall and beyond to Maybrook is iffy at best.

Around Florida, I believe a road has been built on top of the route, and south of Goshen proper, the mainline is visable if not hard to access, but the Goshen train staion is the Police Station (better check inside before taking pictures!) The route north out of town is thru woods and farm property (not many road crossings), and Campbell Hall Jct is private proprty, as houses have encroached upon the area, if I remember correctly, so poking thru the bushes probaly isn't a good idea. Too bad, because you'd probably find some neat stuff, like the turntable pit. I have never been to the Maybrook museum, how long have they been up there? I used to haunt this area 15 years agao, before much of the urban sprawl took over, and there was some of Maybrook's buildings still standing.
Here's a link to the Gingerbread site showing pine Island, Florida, and Goshen Stations - http://www.gingerb.com/lne_trackage_rights_on_erie.htm

Ralph


Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Apr 9th, 2006, 10:55am
Ralph,

As usual you have provided me with answers. I wish I could say the same about the Maybrook Museum. I haven't been there yet as I only found out about it two years ago.

Let me know if you are interested in going.

Ken

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by Franklin Jct on Apr 10th, 2006, 12:09am
Correct me if i'm wrong, but the station pictures posted here are the Erie station at the southern stub end of the Pine Island branch, not an L&NE station. Ditto for the ROW pics along Pulaski Hwy, the Erie Pine Island Branch. The L&NE track ended at Pine Island junction north and slightly west of the station and never actually crossed Pulaski Hwy. and never entered the center of town proper.

I believe that was the layout, but if i'm wrong I appologize in advance.  

John

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by lt230s on Apr 10th, 2006, 9:56am
John,
Your are correct. I referred to it as L&NE only due to the fact that I think the L&NE used the Erie P.I. branch more than the Erie did since it was their mainline connection with Maybrook.
On opposite side of street from station there was coal(the name slips by me) delivery co. that would have most likely received deliveries from L&NE. There was also Webster's feed & grain that may have been served by the Erie.
I'm sure someone will chime in with more accurate info....Marty Feldner, where are you???
John

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by glenwoodhouse on Jul 3rd, 2006, 10:14pm
Hello all!

I've been a resident of Pine Island on Glenwood Road on the base of Pochuck Mountain for 34 years and I know practically all of the train routes/remnants on my side of the mountain. The trouble is I don't have enough of the history and I stumbled upon your site while surfing for information about the mining village that was up there.

Does anyone know or remember the name of the hotel that was up there? I found it in the late '80s in the gov't center in Goshen while doing some surveying research but lost it years ago.

I own and operate The Glenwood House B&B for the last 10 years and would like to have more info to pass on to my guests. I'd be happy to take anyone that's been posting here on a group hike to the old ruins. They are really quite incredible, especially the stone loading docks at the base of the quarry.

I spent some time this winter on Google Earth tracing the old train tracks and then followed them by foot this spring. I found some great bridge/stone culvert remnants that I wouldn't have found otherwise.

There are a couple of places where  you can still access the RR beds w/out harrassment, however, one new owner doesn't like trespassers. I know him personally so if you were with me I don't think that he'd mind.

Take a look at the photo album link on my webpage for a photo of the giant stone wall (loading docks?) near the mining village taken with my son a few years ago. Sorry, I lost the original jpeg or I'd just post it here. www.glenwoodhouse.com. I'd love to hear from anyone with more Pine Island history.

Anything on the Moorehouse or Roy family would be especially helpful as these were my neighbors as a kid and the original builders of my farmhouse.

Thanks.
Andrea Colman
Innkeeper
The Glenwood House B&B
Pine Island, NY 10969

845-258-5066


Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Jul 4th, 2006, 4:14pm

on 07/03/06 at 22:14:55, glenwoodhouse wrote:
Hello all!

I've been a resident of Pine Island on Glenwood Road on the base of Pochuck Mountain for 34 years and I know practically all of the train routes/remnants on my side of the mountain. The trouble is I don't have enough of the history and I stumbled upon your site while surfing for information about the mining village that was up there.

Does anyone know or remember the name of the hotel that was up there? I found it in the late '80s in the gov't center in Goshen while doing some surveying research but lost it years ago.

I own and operate The Glenwood House B&B for the last 10 years and would like to have more info to pass on to my guests. I'd be happy to take anyone that's been posting here on a group hike to the old ruins. They are really quite incredible, especially the stone loading docks at the base of the quarry.

I spent some time this winter on Google Earth tracing the old train tracks and then followed them by foot this spring. I found some great bridge/stone culvert remnants that I wouldn't have found otherwise.

There are a couple of places where you can still access the RR beds w/out harrassment, however, one new owner doesn't like trespassers. I know him personally so if you were with me I don't think that he'd mind.

Take a look at the photo album link on my webpage for a photo of the giant stone wall (loading docks?) near the mining village taken with my son a few years ago. Sorry, I lost the original jpeg or I'd just post it here. www.glenwoodhouse.com. I'd love to hear from anyone with more Pine Island history.

Anything on the Moorehouse or Roy family would be especially helpful as these were my neighbors as a kid and the original builders of my farmhouse.

Thanks.
Andrea Colman
Innkeeper
The Glenwood House B&B
Pine Island, NY 10969

845-258-5066



Greetings Andrea!!

I'm sorry but I can't help you on your questions although John (it230) might be able to since he lived there I believe. As far as the name Roy is concerned, that name is synonymous with Sussex County. There was a Roy feed, not sure if it' still in business or not and Roy distributors. More on the family can probably be found at the Sussex County Historical Society or by contacting Wayne McCabe who is one of the historical experts here.

I would like to take you up on your offer for exploring. I can't answer for Franklin Jct. (John) or IT230 (another John) although if it's train related, I'm sure they will go.

I have some articles on the Pochuck railroad and I'm interested in some of the mines up there as the Pochuck railroad had customers up there. Please let me know.

Thanks in advance.

Ken

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by lt230s on Jul 7th, 2006, 5:15pm
Andrea,
Welcome aboard.
I would definitely be interested in a hike, best time would be when foliage is off and after hunting season & before snow starts falling or early spring.

As Ken, mentioned there are articles & books out there. One in particular, but the the title slips my mind. It is Vernon Township (Images of America)by Ronald J., Jr. Dupont . It has a picture on the cover of a group of men standing next to a box car loaded with peaches from Pochuck area.

Also, the Roy name is synonymous with Mills & Roy, Roy Brothers, both feed & lumber, I think. Definitely check out Sussex County Library, if you get a chance.

I grew up just over the other side of Glenwood Mountain in Wantage and had friends that lived near the top. I never realized how much history there was around until I got older. Great pictures by the way. I always loved going to the Pochuck Orchard and picking apples, strawberries, etc.
John

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by glenwoodhouse on Jul 7th, 2006, 10:00pm
Thanks for your reply guys. I'd love to take you on a hike just before hunting season. Give me a call as the time gets near.

I just found a great map site and thought you might appreciate this link to a beautiful NJ RR map:

http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/HISTORICALMAPS/RAILROADS/rr_NJ_PA_NY.jpg

Regards,
Andrea

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by glenwoodhouse on Jul 7th, 2006, 10:01pm
Sorry, here is the link to the index page with lots of great NJ RR maps:

http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/HISTORICALMAPS/RAILROADS/Railroads.html

Andrea

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by glenwoodhouse on Jul 7th, 2006, 11:31pm
Just found another one specificly covering the Goshen/Pine Island branches:

http://docs.unh.edu/NY/gshn08sw.jpg

and this one from 1870 that you can navigate and zoom in on entitled Map of the rail roads of the state of New York.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/map_item.pl (if this link doesn't work try this one:
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/gmd:@field(NUMBER+@band(g3801p+rr002660))

Andrea

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by glenwoodhouse on Jul 7th, 2006, 11:40pm
Here are some other maps and descriptions available on the above listed site:

They are found in the 19th Century Maps at this site:
http://www.sunysb.edu/libmap/nypath1.htm

Map of the rail roads of the state of New York.
1870 map shows drainage, cities and towns, county boundaries, canals, railroads in progress, proposed, and in operation. Shows connection with mineral areas in northern Pennsylvania.
Map of the railroads of the state of New York prepared under the direction of the Rail Road Commissioners, John S. Clark, William J. McAlpine, James B. Swain.
Map of New York and parts of adjacent states showing drainage, relief by hachures, county boundaries, cities and towns. Different colors indicate railroads in operation, in progess of construction and proposed.
Map of the railroads of the state of New York prepared under the direction of Silas Seymour, state engineer surveyor.
Map of New York and parts of adjacent states showing drainage, relief by hachures, county boundaries, cities and towns. Different colors indicate railroads in operation, in progress of construction, and proposed.
Map of the rail-roads of the state of New York prepared under the direction of Van Renssselaer Richmond, state engineer and surveyor; Geo R. Perkins, Dep State Engineer & Surveyor.
Map of New York and parts of adjacent states showing drainage, relief by hachures, county boundaries, cities and towns. Different colors indictate railroads in operation, in progress of construction, and proposed.
Map of the railroads of the state of New York showing the stations, distances & connections with other roads. Thos. Pentingale, L.P. Behn.
Outside the neat line are lists of distances arranged by individual railroad companies. "Connections with other roads" are listed across bottom of map.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Jul 9th, 2006, 3:19pm

on 07/07/06 at 22:01:43, glenwoodhouse wrote:
Sorry, here is the link to the index page with lots of great NJ RR maps:

http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/HISTORICALMAPS/RAILROADS/Railroads.html

Andrea



Andrea,

Thanks for the link.

Looking forawrd to exploring in the fall.

Ken

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by garlicfarmer on Feb 24th, 2007, 4:04pm
Have recently discovered this site. I am a long time resident of Pine Island and am well familiar with the L&NE rail beds  through this area; and the quarries; etc.
I have a question. I am refering to the L&NE rail bed where it passes through the Wallkill River Wildlife refuge on Oil City Road. A couple of hundred yards from Oil City Road, heading towards Sussex, there is an old concrete foundation of what appears to have been a rail stop of some kind.
Does anyone know what this was; or have any photos of it. Also; it is approximately right on the New York-New Jersey state line. Does anyone know what state it is in?
Thanks.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by lt230s on Feb 26th, 2007, 11:03pm
Garlicfarmer,
Welcome aboard!!!!
Never noticed it when I used to wander around there from Myslinski's farm (now refuge office, I think) when I was a kid. I will check my old 1908 USGS map and see if anything is noted.
Maybe a water tower (about 1/2 way from Sussex to Pine Island) or loading of produce from the black dirt farms? The plot thickens.......

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Feb 27th, 2007, 1:16pm
Welcome garlic farmer. Hope you find your answers here. When the snow is gone and the weather gets a little nicer, I'm planning a trip to explore up there again as we were given some information as to the quarry there. Make for a real nice trip.

Ken

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Feb 27th, 2007, 1:17pm
On another note, I found this L&NE engine available from Williams for "O" guage

http://www.the-gauge.com/showthread.php?t=26114

Yes! I purchased one. Now I just need to the caboose and I'm complete with the L&NE ;D

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by lt230s on Feb 27th, 2007, 9:43pm
Here's 1908 map and it doesn't show anything. Doesn't mean that something wasn't built.
Definitely will have to check it come when weather gets better.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by garlicfarmer on Feb 27th, 2007, 10:08pm
Let me know if you come to any conclusion about what it is when you see it. Looking at the map, the concrete foundation I'm referring to is just about exactly on the Orange Co-Sussex Co. line.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by garlicfarmer on Feb 27th, 2007, 10:14pm
Since some of you have indicated interest in the Pochuck Quarry area, I'm going to try to post some photos. These are all taken on Pochuck Mtn in January of 07. I'm not real good at this; I find that when I downsize photos to fit them on e mail, they tend to lose clarity. But here goes.

This one is along the railroad path. The rock wall on the right was (apparently) a kind of loading platform.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by garlicfarmer on Feb 27th, 2007, 10:16pm
Another view of the RR path. This is the same rock wall-loading platform as in the previous photo.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by garlicfarmer on Feb 27th, 2007, 10:18pm
An abandoned foundation of a quarry structure (worker's quarters?)

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by garlicfarmer on Feb 27th, 2007, 10:23pm
(Opps!) Sorry about the last photo. Hopefully the rest are the proper size.

A view from on top of Pochuck Mtn, actually just above the quarry proper. The foundation was likely a quarry-related structure.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by garlicfarmer on Feb 27th, 2007, 10:25pm
Another quarry-related structure. I cannot determine what it is.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by garlicfarmer on Feb 28th, 2007, 8:28am
Another foundation of a quarry structure. There are about 5 or 6 foundations like this on the mountain. The old histories of the area referred to these as hotels, although I take that to mean some sort of workers quarters.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Feb 28th, 2007, 8:49am
Excellent pictures. Thanks for sharing. I can't wait to explore this area.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by fanoflne on Oct 31st, 2010, 8:55pm

on 02/24/07 at 16:04:50, garlicfarmer wrote:
Have recently discovered this site. I am a long time resident of Pine Island and am well familiar with the L&NE rail beds through this area; and the quarries; etc.
I have a question. I am refering to the L&NE rail bed where it passes through the Wallkill River Wildlife refuge on Oil City Road. A couple of hundred yards from Oil City Road, heading towards Sussex, there is an old concrete foundation of what appears to have been a rail stop of some kind.
Does anyone know what this was; or have any photos of it. Also; it is approximately right on the New York-New Jersey state line. Does anyone know what state it is in?
Thanks.

hi, i am new to this site as a member and wanted to reply to this since nobody else has even though it is a couple years old. I just walked the area yesterday and thought the same thing at first but then figured out it wasn't a foundation but a drainage culvert. If you keep walking to owens station rd. you'll find 2 or 3 more just like it. The one your talking about was filled in so the wildlife preserve can be flooded periodically.

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on May 4th, 2011, 4:36am

on 10/31/10 at 20:55:36, fanoflne wrote:
hi, i am new to this site as a member and wanted to reply to this since nobody else has even though it is a couple years old. I just walked the area yesterday and thought the same thing at first but then figured out it wasn't a foundation but a drainage culvert. If you keep walking to owens station rd. you'll find 2 or 3 more just like it. The one your talking about was filled in so the wildlife preserve can be flooded periodically.


Thanks for the information. I will be heading out that way soon.

Ken

Title: Re: Bits and Pieces - Pine Island, NY
Post by njvike on Dec 1st, 2017, 6:42am

on 01/14/06 at 21:17:25, njvike wrote:
Looking the other way back towards Pine Island.




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