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HB90MACH
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« on: Jan 8th, 2005, 7:59pm »
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I have just added this pic of boxcar 8166 to my growing archive.  relatively new car at that when the pic was taken.   what type of Boxcar is this?

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« Reply #1 on: Jan 8th, 2005, 8:46pm »
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on Jan 8th, 2005, 7:59pm, HB90MACH wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I have just added this pic of boxcar 8166 to my growing archive.  relatively new car at that when the pic was taken.   what type of Boxcar is this?  

 
Those LNE cars are Pullman-Standard PS-1 boxcars built in 1956. I believe these were among the first series of cars that the LNE sold. Series 8751-9058. They became SOO 1700-2298 in 1959.


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« Reply #2 on: Jan 8th, 2005, 8:55pm »
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The flat plate ends make me think that the car is an ARA box car. Made famous by the PRR (X-29) and the B&O (M-26). Other railroads also had this car, W&LE, NKP, CNJ and NYC among them.
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on Jan 8th, 2005, 7:59pm, HB90MACH wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I have just added this pic of boxcar 8166 to my growing archive.  relatively new car at that when the pic was taken.   what type of Boxcar is this?  



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« Reply #3 on: Jan 8th, 2005, 8:58pm »
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I'm sorry, I thought your number read 8766. Sorry about that. Thanks John for correcting it.

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« Reply #4 on: Jun 11th, 2014, 7:00pm »
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on Jan 8th, 2005, 7:59pm, HB90MACH wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I have just added this pic of boxcar 8166 to my growing archive.  relatively new car at that when the pic was taken.   what type of Boxcar is this?  

 
Design and construction based on the 1923 ARA Steel Box Car (of PRR's X29), From the 8001-8200 Series that were built in 1927.


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Design and construction based on the 1923 ARA Steel Box Car (of PRR's X29), From the 8001-8200 Series that were built in 1927.

 
In 1931 an additional 300 cars were purchased, Series 8201-8500, pictured below is LNE 8248 (Walter F. Frost photo).


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on Jun 11th, 2014, 7:09pm, gfluck1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
In 1931 an additional 300 cars were purchased, Series 8201-8500, pictured below is LNE 8248 (Walter F. Frost photo).

 
Similiar, but with the 4/4 dreadnaught ends were the 8501-8750 Series that were built in 1934, pictured below is LNE 8640 (Jim Sands photo from George Elwood's Fallen Flags website)


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on Jan 8th, 2005, 8:46pm, NS3360 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Those LNE cars are Pullman-Standard PS-1 boxcars built in 1956. I believe these were among the first series of cars that the LNE sold. Series 8751-9058. They became SOO 1700-2298 in 1959.

 
LNE's original order for the PS1 was for 300 cars in April of 1956, Road No.s 8751-9050, pictured below is LNE 8823 (K.B. King, Jr. photo).


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on Jun 11th, 2014, 7:00pm, gfluck1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Design and construction based on the 1923 ARA Steel Box Car (of PRR's X29), From the 8001-8200 Series that were built in 1927.

 
Pictured below is LNE 8043, shown in the "billboard lettering scheme" (Ray Brown photo).


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« Reply #9 on: Jun 18th, 2014, 8:51am »
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LNE ARA Style House Cars  
 
Some time ago I found detailed information for LNE, ARA style boxcars in Railway Prototype Cyclopedia, volume 18, pages 82 and 95 – 97.  Highlights to follow:
 
 
Series 8001-8200 cars:
 
200 cars received October 1927
Built by the Pressed Steel Car Company
Bottom-supported Youngstown Corrugated Steel Doors, plate steel ends and roofs
KC-schedule air brakes
Six- rung side ladders
Vertical-shaft hand brakes  
Carmer uncoupling levers
A.R.A. Type Y, 50-ton trucks with 33” chilled-iron wheels
 
Original livery apparently consisted of small railroad roman style reporting marks without the “fried egg” logo
 
Cars rebuilt in the late 1940s with diagonal-panel roofs
 
Circa 1960 photo shows car 8009 with Miner handbrake, lower placard boards, small block-letter reporting marks and “fried egg” logo
 
 
Series 8201-8500 cars:
 
300 cars received from November 1930 to January 1931
Built by the Magor Car Corporation
Nearly identical to their older siblings  
Six- rung side ladders
Carmer uncoupling levers
Ajax Type power hand brakes
Newer cast-steel truck design  
 
Circa 1930s builder’s photo shows car 8208 with railroad roman style reporting marks and “fried egg” logo
 
Circa 1963 photo shows car 8427 with lower placard boards, small block-letter reporting marks and “fried egg” logo
 
 
Series 8501-8750 cars:
 
250 cars received July 1934  
Built by Magor Car Corporation
ARA design with 4-4 Dreadnaught Steel Ends
Murphy riveted rectangular-panel steel roofs
A.R.A. integral-journal trucks with coil-elliptic spring groups
 
In January 1961, 725 cars were still listed in the railroad's 8001+ series.  


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« Reply #10 on: Jun 18th, 2014, 12:02pm »
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Clearboard, would you by-chance have any info on the Series 7001 box cars?

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« Reply #11 on: Jun 19th, 2014, 12:07pm »
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LNE Early Wooden House Cars
 
Info for the early LNE wood boxcars is scarce.  I’m guessing the 7000-series were built around WW I.  They look like composite single sheathed cars, but they differ from ARA and USRA designs by the number and slope of the Pratt-style trusses.  Fowler design influence is apparent in their ends.
 
Available info as follows:
 
According to available 1920-era OREOs, early wooden boxcars were arranged in three groups:
 
Series 7001 to 7200:  
 
40-foot (ID) steel underframe, composite single sheathed (6-panel, horizontal wood, outside braced)  
 
Outside length 41’ 9”; width 9’ 8 3/8”; and heights 12’ 8 ½ (side), 13’ 7 ½“(running board), 14’ 5 ¾” (extreme)
 
Interior dimensions 39’ 10 ½” long; 8’ 8 ½ “wide; and 8’ 9” high
 
Wooden doors were 6 by 8 feet – (Camel style bottom supported)
 
Fishbelly style center sill, Pratt-truss style bracing slope away from door – ARA and USRA designs slope toward door
 
Horizontal wooden ends with two vertical braces (similar to Fowler design) and two angled metal supports sloping toward coupler
 
Six-rung ladders, stem winders, wooden running board
 
Capacity 3000 cu ft and 50-ton
 
Available OREOs listed 199 cars in December 1929; 190 cars in October 1947; 189 cars in April 1951; and 186 cars in April 1953.  Wise (1980, FS&D v3, n3, pp12-15) reports 180 cars on the roster in January 1955.  
 
All 7001-series cars were off the roster by June 1962 (LNE Rwy).
 
 
Photo of weathered outside braced, wooden end, LNE 688 MW car (former LNE 7060) in Wise (op. cit. page 15) taken in November 1961
 
Photo of boxcar red, outside braced, wooden end, LNE 661 MW car (former LNE 7000-series) in Lilly (1988, p 75) – LNE Color Retrospect – taken in March 1961  
 
Photo of boxcar red, outside braced, wooden end, LNE 661 MW car (former LNE 7000-series) in Bednar (2013, p 18) – LNE and successors – taken in May 1963  
 
Photo of weathered outside braced, steel end, LNE 352 MW car (former LNE 7000-series [rebuilt with Murphy ends?] in Bednar (2013, p 18) – LNE and successors – taken in March 1975
 
 
Series 6501 to 6700:  
 
36-foot (ID) steel underframe wooden cars  
 
Dimensions identical to 5001 siblings  
 
Rated 80,000-ton
 
OREO listed 197 cars in December 1929, but they were off the roster by October 1947
 
 
Series 5001 – 6100:  
 
36-foot (ID) steel underframe wooden cars  
 
Outside length 37’ 6”; width 9’ 7 ¼”; and heights 12’ 7” (side), 13’ 2 ½“(running board) 13’ 9” (extreme)
 
Interior dimensions 36’ long; 8’ 6” wide; and 8’ high
 
Wooden doors were 6-foot x 7-foot 9 ¼ inches
 
Capacity 2448 cu ft and 30-ton
 
Presumably equipped with KC brakes and stem winders
 
OREO listed 849 cars in December 1929, but they were off the roster by October 1947  
 
 


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The 7001 series boxcars were originally 100001 series gondolas that were converted into single sheathed boxcars by the LNE in 1925.


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on Jun 19th, 2014, 8:09pm, NS3360 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The 7001 series boxcars were originally 100001 series gondolas that were converted into single sheathed boxcars by the LNE in 1925.

 
Worthy of an example, pictured below is LNE 7115 from the "Black Diamonds to Tidewater" website.
 
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Citations in Bednar's 2013 work is page eighteen - no idea what triggered graphics.

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on Jun 29th, 2014, 10:40am, ClearBoard wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Citations in Bednar's 2013 work is page eighteen - no idea what triggered graphics.

 
On the reply page, you have to 'check' the "Disable Smilies" box, at the bottom. Otherwise certain letter/number/symbol combinations in the text are interpreted as a 'smiley' graphic, and displayed as such.
 
Hope this helps...


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on Jun 29th, 2014, 10:40am, ClearBoard wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Citations in Bednar's 2013 work is page eighteen - no idea what triggered graphics.

 
I fixed it so it reads the way it was intended.  
 
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on Jun 11th, 2014, 7:09pm, gfluck1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
In 1931 an additional 300 cars were purchased, Series 8201-8500, pictured below is LNE 8248 (Walter F. Frost photo).

 
Pictured below is LNE 8300 (Walter F. Frost photo), show in the originally paint scheme.  


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on Jun 26th, 2014, 11:35am, gfluck1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Worthy of an example, pictured below is LNE 7115 from the "Black Diamonds to Tidewater" website.
 
http://www.gingerb.com/index.html

 
Profile of LNE 7096, another example of the Series 7001 boxcars


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on Jun 15th, 2014, 10:26am, gfluck1 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Pictured below is LNE 8043, shown in the "billboard lettering scheme" (Ray Brown photo).

 
Pictured LNE 8009 in original paint scheme.


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