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« Reply #40 on: Oct 18th, 2003, 5:43pm »
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You must mean the EL-2B.  These weighed 517 tons and were rated at 6800HP.  Starting T.E. was 260,000lbs. with a continuous T.E. of 162,000lbs. at 15.75 MPH.
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« Reply #41 on: Nov 11th, 2003, 6:59pm »
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You know I don't think I've even visited this thread before.  Must be a relapse into the anti-juice snobbery of my teen years.  I'm still kicking myself for never photographing a GG1.  
 
I'd like to go back in time and shake some sense into myself...
"Hey jackass!  Lose the plaid pants...lay off the peanut butter cups...and photo some GG1s and E44s!"
 
There are some great photos here.  
 
By the way, when did CR retire the last E44?  
 
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« Reply #42 on: Dec 3rd, 2003, 9:25am »
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My favorite has to be the Milwaukee Road "Little Joes".  to answer the earlier question from Pennsy. There is only one freight only GG1, #4800 , which was the first GG1 built and it was built without a steam heat generator (Vapor unit).

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« Reply #43 on: Dec 3rd, 2003, 10:36am »
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Hi Erie,
 
Hard to believe that GG-1 # 4800 was built and delivered without a steam generator. Need to double check that one, especially if you add some additional facts. When #4800 first came out, before the rest of her class was commissioned to be built, she ran the NEC corridor, NYC to DC, all by her lonesome, establishing all sorts of passenger train records and cementing rather tight schedules, for that time. Once her superiority was established, the orders for the rest of the fleet came in quickly. Raymond Loewy did his magic on #4800, but old rivets maintained her rivets.  
 
By the way, Little Joes are also one of my favorite electric engines as well. Great looking Bulldog nose, reminiscent of an E-8, and later model New Haven electrics.


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« Reply #44 on: Dec 3rd, 2003, 1:26pm »
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One other historical note--- during the testing/ competition phase ( with the R-1), the prototype GG1 carried the number 4899--- the R-1 had 4800. Once the decision was made to place the GG1 into production, rather than the R-1 ( a VERY close call) the two units swapped numbers. Eventually, as more GG1's were built, the R-1 was again renumbered, this time to 4999. The R-1 had a long and distinguished career on PRR, often being assigned to the westbound Broadway Limited. She was finally scrapped in 1956.
 
   If it hadn't been for the beginning of the cold war, you would never have seen any of the Little Joe's in the US--- they were ordered for delivery to the Soviet Union ( "Joe" Stalin ?) but were held as relations between the USSR and US deteriorated.


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« Reply #45 on: Dec 3rd, 2003, 3:17pm »
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Right you are Walt. Those Little Joes were never meant for USA operation.  
 
Those GG-1s. I guess because they'd been around for so long I figured they'd last forever. I have a couple that I photographed, but not as many as I should have. I remember standing on the platform in Penn Station when one of those behemoths would roll on in. The whole platform would shake.


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« Reply #46 on: Dec 3rd, 2003, 4:12pm »
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Hi B&O,
 
If you think that was something you should have experienced this: you are within 50 feet of the through mainline on the NEC and 15 cars led by a GG-1 comes flashing by at 70 mph. The sound is deafening, and all the air is sucked away by the train. You are caught is a partial vacuum. The ground doesn't rumble it shakes like a 4.0 magnitude earthquake. Now that is a thrill, a scary thrill.


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« Reply #47 on: Dec 4th, 2003, 9:50am »
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Check out [/u]Pennsy Power[u] by Alvin F. Staufer for info on the steam gen-less #4800.-Dan

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« Reply #48 on: Dec 4th, 2003, 10:39am »
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Hi Erie,
 
 I take it the reference confirms that #4800 was delivered sans steam generator. That must have sat really well with the early passengers on the initial runs, especially in the dead of winter along the NEC.  There might have been a steam generator car spliced in between the engine and the cars. I assume there was a space provided for such a fixture so that the later models could have it installed. Per previous threads, the front of the engine is considered to be the end that contains the steam generator. That would make sense since it would allow the crew to keep warm from the heat of the steam generator, come winter time. That end is easily observable from the roof of the engine, since you can see the chimney for the generator.


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« Reply #49 on: Dec 4th, 2003, 4:40pm »
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CSX_B40-8 wrote:
id love to see one of those monsters pull a freight.id imagine an E60,regeared for freight,could pull a coal train bout 3 qaurters of a mile long by itself

 
No need to imagine—they've been doing it for years.  Below is a pic of a coal train on the Black Mesa & Lake Powell RR, a railroad that is not attached to the general railroad system.  The catenary system is 50kV AC; the locomotives are single-cab General Electric E60Cs.  (The BM&LP also operate dual-cab E60Cs that are formerly from Mexico's FNM—they have the "Amtrak" look to them…)
 

 
There's also Texas Utilities, who run the "Brick" look E60Cs themselves…
 


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« Reply #50 on: Dec 4th, 2003, 6:22pm »
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Hi All,
 
Well, let's see now. Four E-60's MU'd together, at 6000 hp apiece, that is 24,000 hp, continuous. Add to that 100% short term overload capability and you have 48,000 hp for several minutes, say 15 minutes. That is tremendous horsepower for only four engines. I guess you are right, those four engines could haul a train something like two miles long, fully loaded. That would include taking hills that would not require more than fifteen minutes to clear them at speed. Of course running 50 KVAC on the catenary is also very impressive. Hopefully, some of the Amtrak E-60's can find a home with some of these railroads and avoid the scrapper's torch. Very nice photos.


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« Reply #51 on: Dec 4th, 2003, 6:35pm »
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Chieftain -
Thanks for those pix.  Now THAT'S something you don't see everyday.
-Charlie


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« Reply #52 on: Dec 4th, 2003, 8:14pm »
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on Dec 4th, 2003, 6:22pm, Pennsy wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hi All,
 
Well, let's see now. Four E-60's MU'd together, at 6000 hp apiece, that is 24,000 hp, continuous. Add to that 100% short term overload capability and you have 48,000 hp for several minutes, say 15 minutes. That is tremendous horsepower for only four engines. I guess you are right, those four engines could haul a train something like two miles long, fully loaded. That would include taking hills that would not require more than fifteen minutes to clear them at speed. Of course running 50 KVAC on the catenary is also very impressive. Hopefully, some of the Amtrak E-60's can find a home with some of these railroads and avoid the scrapper's torch. Very nice photos.

 
The Navajo Mine RR has I think 2 ex-Amtrak E-60's that they use in coal service.


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« Reply #53 on: Dec 5th, 2003, 2:30pm »
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Here goes one of them…
 


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« Reply #54 on: Dec 9th, 2003, 10:55am »
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I would have to say my favorite is the GG-1.
 
With that said, however, I am very partial to the E-44's!  Actually... I am rather partial to ALL E-units (both diesel and electric forms! )


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« Reply #55 on: Jan 15th, 2004, 9:39pm »
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I can't fault any of the choices that have been made.
 
However, because of my background, (sorry no pics) my personal one
has been the NYC P motors that started in Cleveland and later used to go
into GCT. I had tha luxury of doing this into the tunnel to GCT and
all I can say is WOW!!!!


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on Dec 3rd, 2003, 1:26pm, Walt_C wrote:       (Click here for original message)
One other historical note--- during the testing/ competition phase ( with the R-1), the prototype GG1 carried the number 4899--- the R-1 had 4800. Once the decision was made to place the GG1 into production, rather than the R-1 ( a VERY close call) the two units swapped numbers. Eventually, as more GG1's were built, the R-1 was again renumbered, this time to 4999. The R-1 had a long and distinguished career on PRR, often being assigned to the westbound Broadway Limited. She was finally scrapped in 1956.
 
   If it hadn't been for the beginning of the cold war, you would never have seen any of the Little Joe's in the US--- they were ordered for delivery to the Soviet Union ( "Joe" Stalin ?) but were held as relations between the USSR and US deteriorated.

 
 
I read they were called "Little" was because they were smaller than GN's similar, but larger electrics (Y-2's, I think), and "Joe" indeed came from Josef (correct spelling) Stalin.


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« Reply #57 on: Jan 22nd, 2004, 4:38pm »
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on Jan 15th, 2004, 9:39pm, arnstg wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I can't fault any of the choices that have been made.
 
However, because of my background, (sorry no pics) my personal one
has been the NYC P motors that started in Cleveland and later used to go
into GCT. I had tha luxury of doing this into the tunnel to GCT and
all I can say is WOW!!!!

 
Thanks for that post! I agree, all of the above choices were great, but how I miss those P-motors ...  And to think that none of them survived the torch, what a shame! Not unlike a previous post, I can remember standing at the platform in Harmon, all of 8 years old, as one of those monsters came in for the motive power change; bell clanging away... It was wise of my father to take me. Perhaps he knew that those days were numbered.  
 
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Hi all, this is mass electric engine in Bulgaria (since I'm bulgarian) and this is my favorite - made from Skoda and wears the 44 series number.
Just a minute ago i launched a site with rail pics as result of buing a digital photo  . if u want try to connect to:
http://free.bol.bg/yankius/ or [url]http://yankius.bol.bg/
i'll put updates soon



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on Jan 17th, 2004, 10:03am, RDG484 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
 "Joe" indeed came from Josef (correct spelling) Stalin.

 
 That's the reason for the quotation marks around "Joe". I remember that the "Joe" was a somewhat derogatory reference to Comrade Stalin ocassioned by the advent of the cold war


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