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Portageville High Bridge-Replacement? Letchworth Park, NY
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« Reply #20 on: Nov 20th, 2013, 7:07pm »
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And we have some further movement!
 
in http://thedailynewsonline.com/news/article_dfa165c0-519f-11e3-afad-001a4bcf887a.html
 
It was stated in this that the Feds will kick in $10 million.  This is new.
 
Total cost is still estimated as around $68 million.  Now the breakdown of the rest is:
State of New York:  $5.5 million
Norfolk Southern, the rest except some unstated, but presumably small amount from Canadian Pacific which has trackage rights.
 
The new requirement with the Federal money is the need to do an Environmental Review meeting the requirements of the National Environmental Policy Act.  No statement as to how long that will take, but I would guess about a year.  Add to this the estimated 3 years to build the bridge, and we are looking at completion in something like 2018 or later.  
 
However, with the environmental issues it is mentioned, "Among the new environmental considerations is an endangered bat reportedly found living in the area."
 
Here is the updated project overview found on the NY DOT web site.  I am assuming that since it is a public document it is OK to copy it.  
 
https://www.dot.ny.gov/portagevillebridge
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Portageville Bridge Project
Project I.D. No. 4935.79    Contract Number   (none yet)
 
Project Overview
 
Norfolk Southern Railway will replace the Portageville Viaduct, which carries their Southern Tier Rail Line over the Genesee River in Letchworth State Park. The current weight and speed restrictions on the bridge were identified in the 2009 New York State Rail Plan as one of the top ten rail bottlenecks in New York.
 
The project was initiated in an effort to consider alternatives to include the rehabilitation of the existing bridge or replacement of the bridge on existing, adjacent, or offsite alignments. NYSDOT and Norfolk Southern Railway have entered into a historic public/private partnership to explore these transportation enhancements to New York State's freight railway infrastructure. NYSDOT, in cooperation with Norfolk Southern, is developing design studies for this project.
 
The current bridge is at mile post (MP) SR 361.66 on the Norfolk Southern Railway Southern Tier Line, and is physically located in the Town of Portage (Livingston County) and the Town of Genesee Falls (Wyoming County).  
 
Federal funds were added to the project in the Fall of 2013, which require that the environmental review comply with the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). The financing of the SEQR DEIS, along with the written and other comments received during the public comment period will form the basis of a new DEIS prepared pursuant to NEPA.  
 
NYSDOT is accepting public comments on the scope of the NEPA analysis until December 19, 2013 at PortagevilleBridge@dot,ny.gov or Raymond Hessinger, P.E., Director, Freight & Passenger Rail Bureau, 50 Wolf Road, Albany, NY 12232.
 
For more information, please refer to the NEPA scoping brochure.

 
Note that it is possible to make comments on this project.  Go to the email address given in the last paragraph to submit your comment.


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« Reply #21 on: Jan 9th, 2014, 12:48am »
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Additional updates.  This time a presentation made before the American Railway Engineering and Maintenance of Way Association (AREMA)
 
http://www.arema.org/files/library/2013_Conference_Proceedings/Desgin_of_New_Portageville_Bridge.pdf
 
Do a google for the article title if the link does not work.
 
And an article in Roads and Bridges November 2013 issue:
 
http://www.roadsbridges.com/sites/default/files/52_Portageville%20Bridge_RB1113.pdf
 
It appears that the construction contract has not been let as yet, but should be soon.


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« Reply #22 on: Jan 13th, 2014, 10:58pm »
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Very interesting, George. Looks as if it will be a very handsome structure and one that will become iconic.

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« Reply #23 on: Jan 23rd, 2014, 8:40pm »
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Not very good at keeping up with things as they come out.  Here is a link ot the DEIS (Draft Environmental Impact Statement) which is dated November 2012, but I think was made public a few months later:
https://www.dot.ny.gov/portagevillebridge/deis
This site links about 40 pdf files that if printed would probably get you over 1000 pages.   (I have not printed it, and probably won't except for a few parts.)  One of the more interesting is Appendix G, Visual Impact Assessment Report.  It has some vews of the new bridge as a computer model.  
 
Developing one of these reports is a horrendous effort.  Look at this thing  and remember that it is for one bridge and probably under 1/2 mile of approach tracks, then think of what these reports get to be like when you are talking a few hundred miles of new railroad.  The nature of the beast is that they are tilted to prevent new work.  For a long piece of road or railroad you will end up with, if all printed out, quite literally a room full of reports and plans representing thousands of hours of work before there is any possibility of getting the various permits necessary to start any physical work.  Read this one for this relatively speaking small and simple project and you will understand why it takes so long to get anything done in this country.


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« Reply #24 on: Mar 7th, 2014, 1:28am »
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And things continue to move at a glacial pace:
 
Quote:
Project Status
• The current status of the project is In Development.
•The Bid Opening is expected to be in Fall 2014.
•Construction is expected to begin in Fall 2014.
•Construction is expected to be completed in Spring 2016.
 
Cost of the Project
The DOT project cost is approximately $67,500,000.  
 
This project receives funding from the following sources:  
Federal: No  
State : Yes  
Local : No



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« Reply #25 on: Sep 17th, 2014, 10:07pm »
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One more step in process toward real construction happening.
 
For those that do not want to look for it, this is the Portageville Viaduct at mile post (MP) SR 361.66 on the Norfolk Southern Railway Southern Tier Line, and is located in the Town of Portage (Livingston County) and the Town of Genesee Falls (Wyoming County).   This is nydot Project I.D. No. 4935.79 , Contract Number <none yet>,
 
From their web page, https://www.dot.ny.gov/portagevillebridge
 
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A project presentation and public hearing was held on August 26, 2014 at 5:30 PM at the Genesee River Restaurant, 134 North Main Street, Mount Morris, NY 14510.  Presentations and documents from the hearing are available on the Community Outreach page.
 
Based on the findings of the DEIS, the written and oral comments received during the public hearing, and comments received during the DEIS public review period (ending on September 15, 2014), FHWA and NYSDOT will prepare a combined Final Environmental Impact Statement (FEIS) and Record of Decision (ROD).

 
The "status" still shows:
•The Bid Opening is expected to be in Fall 2014.
•Construction is expected to begin in Fall 2014.
•Construction is expected to be completed in Spring 2016
and an estimated cost of $67,500,000


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« Reply #26 on: Dec 29th, 2014, 8:21pm »
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Another update, but nothing happening
 
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Project Status
• The current status of the project is In Development.
•The Bid Opening is expected to be in Spring 2015.
•Construction is expected to begin in Summer 2015.
•Construction is expected to be completed in Winter 2017/2018.
 
Cost of the Project
The DOT project cost is approximately $70,000,000.


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« Reply #27 on: Dec 29th, 2014, 9:59pm »
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Like always if the gummit gets its paws into things, costs more and takes longer. Oh well, what else is new?

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« Reply #28 on: Jan 5th, 2015, 12:33am »
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By Roc to be found in Regionals and Short Lines in the WNY&P, LA&L & B&H thread, link to a newspaper article:
 
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2014/12/30/new-railroad-bridge-approved-letchworth-park/21059581/
 
What city the newspaper?  It does not say, and I have no idea where not being from or ever in anywhere near the area of this bridge.
 
The title of the article:  Portage Bridge Approved dated 12/30/2014  
 
The essence being Quote:
Federal approvals announced on Tuesday clear the way for a $71 million replacement project that would build a new railroad bridge over the Genesee River in Letchworth State Park.


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on Jan 5th, 2015, 12:33am, George_Harris wrote:       (Click here for original message)

What city the newspaper?  It does not say, and I have no idea where not being from or ever in anywhere near the area of this bridge.
I think that paper is out of Rochester, NY.
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« Reply #30 on: Mar 20th, 2015, 9:40pm »
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I was at the bridge yesterday, March 19.
 
A lot has been cut on the east bank in the past week.
 
They have a crane now to help.


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west bank

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bridge and crane on east bank

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PRR Rochester Branch grade underneath the bridge

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« Reply #35 on: Mar 20th, 2015, 10:08pm »
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From the pictures sure looks like the work has started.  Yet when I go to the NYDOT web
https://www.dot.ny.gov/portagevillebridge  
there is still no contract number shown and it still says the Project Status is:
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The current status of the project is In Development.
The Bid Opening is expected to be in Spring 2015.
Construction is expected to begin in Summer 2015.
Construction is expected to be completed in Winter 2017/2018.

which would lead you to think that the work has not started, or at the least a contract for the structure itself has not been let.
 
The clearing of trees is in the right place for construction of the offset structure that has been shown in some of the information on the project.
 
Sure hope this means that work is really getting under way.


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« Reply #36 on: Mar 21st, 2015, 12:03pm »
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Tree cutting is the first step.
 
The Portageville entrance of Letchworth will be closed for 4 years. I was told that by the booth attendant last fall so they are expecting work to begin this year.
 
They are expanding the Castile entrance to handle the extra traffic.
 
I really think work on the abutments will begin this years.


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« Reply #37 on: Mar 21st, 2015, 11:40pm »
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A little search to see if I could find more.  Not really.  There is a rather nice blurb from the state, but it refers to the NYDOT page for more information which has nothing new as to progress toward a contract.
 
http://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-announces-federal-approval-plan-replace-historic-portageville-rail-bridge
 
It does give information on who is paying how much.
Quote:
Construction of the new rail bridge is expected to cost approximately $71 million. NYSDOT has contributed $3 million in design costs and has secured $12.5 million of state and federal funding for construction costs. The balance would be provided by the railroad. The funding includes a grant of $2 million from the Finger Lakes Regional Economic Development Council.

The "how much" has grown quite a bit since I first started looking at this operation nearly 4 years ago, when the number for the replacement was given as "$39 million for the new bridge with $17.75 from US DOT, $17.75 from NS and CP, and $3.5 from New York State."
 
Seems that the amount from the various governments has shrunken while the overall total cost has risen A LOT.  Incidentally, given New York State's higher than anybody else (by far!) taxes on railroads, they do not feel the least bit guilty taking state money for something like this.
 
Link with a lot of information and nice pictures, particularly at the end.
https://www.arema.org/files/library/2013_Conference_Proceedings/Desgin_of_New_Portageville_Bridge.pdf  
 
A nice little slide show from NS, dated July 6, 2010
http://www.gbnrtc.org/files/6213/2769/5487/Portageville_Bridge_Presentation.pdf
 
One more bit of information:
http://www.rtands.com/index.php/track-structure/bridge-retaining-walls/new-york-gets-federal-approval-for-new-portageville-bridge.html?channel=284
 
Says approval of the FEIS (Final Environmental Impact Statement) was on December 16, 2014, so work may start.  Here we are mid-March and nothing or near nothing has happened.  These people better watch out or they will be run down by high-speed glaciers.  


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« Reply #38 on: Mar 22nd, 2015, 7:36am »
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George - Lodge Members -
 
(SIGH!) FEIS? Is there anything resembling 'Final' in any of this?
 
Let's suppose your correspondent went wandering at site. Noted presence of an extended family of blue speckled frogs,  
which an 'endangered species'? The ethical question? Would it be on one to have a duty to 'turn them in' to the Law?
 
Might that reopen the 'EIS' discussion, with tons of reports subsequent, until we get some FEIS which mandates  
actions to protect the frogs? Fair is fair? Should the ex post facto discovery enough to revisit the file?
 
................................Vern..............................


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« Reply #39 on: Mar 22nd, 2015, 1:12pm »
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Near nothing has happened because winter just ended. It was a rough winter here in Western New York.
 
Construction season is coming up soon.
 


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