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Title: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 15th, 2011, 8:36pm
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* For one thing I like finding old wood and metal kit car and getting them back on rails. Does anyone remember "Railway HO Models" A company from Phoenix Oregon. The price tags on these boxs says they were purchased from Bitzer & Warwick of Pasadena Calif. Does anyone know anything of either the Cars. Their Manufactures. Or the place who sold the cars.

Index for this topic.

Post 1, 5 old boxed cars, globe tank car, and 4 Railway model cars.
Reply 1, Rail model cars, NYC MDT, 20683, and Hormel, GAH&Co. 803.
Reply 2, Rail model cars,Santa fe reefer and Santa Fe Dry Ice car.
Reply 4 , Globe, tank car, all metal.
Reply 5, Laconoa Mathieson Dry Ice Car. Wood kit, with thin metal sides.
Reply 6, Red ball, Borden's Milk car. All metal kit.
Reply 7, Ambroid, Watermelon car. All wood kit.
Reply 8, Main line Models, SP, 50' wood outside braced box car. Door and a half.
Reply 12, Athearn, Globe, Atlas, all metal tank car.
Reply 14, Main line Moldels, Palace poultry Car. All wood kit.
Reply 15, Old wood kit , Prima Beer.
Reply 18, Old wood kit, Miller high life beer.
Reply 20, Ulrich, Monon trail on flat car, all metal
Reply 19, Athearn Carnation milk, Metal reefer.
Reply 21, Mantua, Quaker State Oil, Tank Car, Metal car.
Reply 22, Old wood kit, Heileman's Beer.
Reply 25, Binkley, Old wood kit, Supreme Biscuit Co. reefer.
Reply 26, Globe Athearn, Shippers express, 3 dome tank car. All metal.
Reply 27, Globe Athearn, Phillips 66, tank car, all metal.
Reply 28, Ambroid, Great Northern, Old wood kit, 40' Double door box car.
Reply 31, Mantua, Santa Fe, " The grand Canyon Line " reefer car, All metal with paper sides.
Reply 32 and 33, Mantua Box ends showing how they were sold.
Reply 34, Silvine all brass tank car. Victor Chemical Works.
Reply 35, Penn-Line made by Varney, Main Central box car, all metal kit,
Reply 36, Varney, new haven Box car, all metal kit.
Reply 37, Athearn, Timken roller bearings, tank car, all metal kit. Yellow.
Reply 39, Athearn, 40' box car, plastic kit. Timken Roller bearings. Yellow.
Reply 41, Lionel Timken Roller bearings, 40' box car , made by Athearn. Plastic kit. Yellow.
Reply 42, Globe Athearn, Timken Roller Bearing, box car, all metal kit. red
Reply 44, Globe Athearn, Timken Roller Bearing, box car, all metal kit. Silver.
Reply 50, Main-Line Ambroid, Palace poultry Car. All wood kit.
Reply 51, Silver Streak, Hart Gondola, all wood kit. Nickel plate #65320
Reply 52, Silver Streak, Hart Gondola, all wood kit. Nickel plate #63025 same car different graphifs.
Reply 56, Mantua, Gulf oil Co., tank car, all metal kit with paper sides.
Reply 57, Globe tank car, Mobile Gas # SVX 916 all metal kit.
Reply 58, Globe tank car, Mobile Gas # SVX 918 all metal kit.
Reply 61, Gilbert tank car, Gulf no 500. Ready to run.
Reply 62, Gilbert gondola car, LNE some were kits. This done by Gilbert for train set.
Reply 63, model die casting, low side gondola, all metal kit, ERIE.
Reply 64, Ulrich, 40' drop bottom gondola, Great Northern, only one made with raised end plates.
Reply 65, by photoman475, Varney 40' flat car, ATSF. A plastic and metal bottom kit.
Reply 67, HObbyline, 40' box car T&P, made as plastic kit or ready to run in sets
Reply 72, by photoman475, Varney 40' flat car, PRR,. . A plastic and metal bottom kit.
Reply 73 AHM, 40' box car, T&P, ready to run.
Reply 77, Silver Streak tank car, NATX, wood and metal kit with printed embossed metal foil sides.
Reply 81, Varney, 40' reefer, Blatz Beer, all metal kit.
Reply 82, Varney, 40' box car, NC&SL "Dixieland", all metal kit.
Reply 83, Varney, 40' reefer car, Gerber's Vegetables, all metal kit.
Reply 84, Varney, 40' box car, MKT, all metal kit.
Reply 88, Mantua, 40' box car, MKT, plastic kit.
Reply 89, Varney, 40' box car, MKT, plastic kit.
Reply 91, Fleischmann, reefer car, Blatz Beer, plastic car with metal sides.
Reply 92, Athearn, tank car, Southern Pacific, all metal kit.
Reply 93, Mantua, 40' stock cars, MKT, yellow and brown, plastic kits.
Reply 94, Mantua, 40' gondola B&O 250538, black, plastic and metal kit.
Reply 95, Mantua, 40' gondola, B&O 257602, black, plastic and metal kit.
Reply 96, , Mantua, 40' gondola, B&O 257602, gray, plastic and metal kit.
Reply 97, Gilbert, gondola car, #127 green.
Reply 98, Gilbert, gondola car, #127 gray.
Reply 99, Varney tank car, Texaco, #6305, plastic kit.
Reply 100, Varney tank car, Texaco, #6305, plastic kit. A welded tank, no rivets.
Reply 101, Varney tank car, Texaco, #7204, plastic kit.
Reply 102, Fleischmann, reefer car, Blatz Beer, plastic car with metal sides. Posted twice.
Reply 103, Fleischmann box car, BAR State of Main, Products, plastic car with metal sides. Posted twice.
Reply 105, Fleischmann, long articulated flat car, a all meat car.
Reply 106, Globe Athearn, tank car, Mobilgas, all metal kit. WSRX 8877.
Reply 107, Penn-Line, caboose, Wabash, plastic and metal car.
Reply 108,by TAB, TOM, Globe , tank Car, Shell, SCCX 1150.
Reply 111, Mantua, tank car, Shell, SCCX 1240. Metal car.
Reply 112, by TAB, TOM, Globe , tank Car, Shell, SCCX 1150. Showing identifying mark.
Reply 123, Railway model's, ATSF dry ice car, showing special trucks.
Reply 124, Laconia dry ice car again.
Reply 125, Train Miniature, Mathieson dry ice car. A plastic kit.
Reply 133, True Scale, engineering car. Plastic kit in box.
Reply 136, True Scale, bunk car. Plastic kit .
Reply 137, True Scale, commissary car, plastic kit.
Reply 138, True Scale, Hart gondola, plastic kit.
Reply 139, True Scale, flat car, plastic kit.
Reply 143, Gilbert, #116, tank car, Sinclair. All metal car kit and ready to run.
Reply 144, Train Miniature, centennial cars, Columbia, plastic kit.
Reply 145, Train Miniature, centennial cars, Williamsburg, plastic kit.
Reply 146, Ulrich, Southern Pacific trail, on flat car, all metal
Reply 147, Ulrich, Monon and Southern Pacific trails, on flat cars, all metal
Reply 148, Varney, 40' reefer, IC, all metal.
Reply 149, Athearn , 40' reefer, IC, all metal.
Reply 150, Train Miniature, 40' reefer, Budweiser Beer, plastic kit.
Reply 152, Gilbert, #33819, NYC outside braced wood box car, automated.
Reply 153, Gilbert, #502, MKT, stock Car.
Reply 154,Athearn 50' DD box car Seaboard Railway,#10038, Old all metal.
Reply 161, ? , Borden's Milk Tank car.
Reply 162, ? , Tivoli Beer, built from a old wood kit.
Reply 163 Varney, box car 40', ATSF, #275161, old all metal car.
Reply 164 Silver Streak, 35' tank car, Texaco, TCX 7197 metal car, paper sides.
Reply 165 Silver Streak, 35' tank car, Mathieson Alkali Works, GATX 1040.
Reply 166 Silver Streak, 35' tank car, Shell Chemical Co. SCMX 519.
Reply 167 Silver streak, 35' tank car, Continental Oil Co. CONX 533.
Reply 168 Silver streak, 35' tank car, North American, NATX 7314.
Reply 169 International Models, 50' tank car, TCX 208.
Reply 171 Mantua tank car, Valvoline, VDWX 836.
Reply 172 Mantua tank car, Sinclair, SDRX 24741.
Reply 173 Mantua tank car, penn drake, PRX 425.
Reply 175 Varney tank car, Dimazine,SHPX 4611.
Reply 176 LIFE LIKE tank car, Gulf Chem Co. GATX 62432.
Reply 177 Varney tank car, BECCO, Hyd Perox, BECX 8914.
Reply 178 Varney tank car, Koppers Chem Co, KPCX 2103.
Reply 179 Varney tank car, PETRO-TEX, SHPX 2142.
Reply 183 Gilbert tank car, Koppers Chemical, 518.
Reply 184 Gilbert tank car, Koppers Chemical, 33518.
Reply 187 Varney tank car, Carbide and carbon Chemicals, GATX 648.
Reply 188 Varney tank car, A.C.& F. Co, GATX 1005.
Reply 189 Varney tank car, A.C.& F. Co, GATX 1010.
Reply 190 Varney tank car, AT&SF. 95007.
Reply 191 Varney tank car, Gulf, GRCX 3882.
Reply 192 Varney tank car, Union Carbide, CCBX 501.
Reply 193 Varney tank car, Goodyear, UTLX 25145.
Reply 194 Varney tank car, A.C.& F., UTLX 214.
Reply 195 Varney tank car, SINCLAIR, SDRX 38001.
Reply 196 Varney tank car, "Houston", SHPX 2142.
Reply 198 F&C milk tank car red Bordens , by NEFAN
Reply 199 Red Ball Milk tank car, white, Bordens.
Reply 200 Varney catalog page.
Reply 204 Varney covered hopper, N&W 70163 gray.
Reply 207 Varney covered hopper, PRR, 254252, tuscan.
Reply 208 Varney covered hopper, C&O, 197632, black.
Reply 213 Varney covered hopper, NKP, 99932, black.
Reply 214 Varney covered hopper, B&O, 630525, gray.
Reply 215 Varney covered hopper, NYC, 880500, gray.
Reply 216 Varney covered hopper, Custom, Mathieson, gray.
Reply 217 Varney covered hopper, FMC, soda ash,
Reply 219 Varney covered hopper, DOW Polyethylene,
Reply 220 Varney covered hopper, E&H Model Hobby Shop.
Reply 221 Varney covered hopper, D&H gray custom car.
Reply 224 Varney covered hopper, Davison, SHPX 26022.
Reply 225 Varney covered hopper, D&H blue, 5812
Reply 226 Varney covered hopper, Virginian, black.
Reply 227 Varney covered hopper, ERIE 4065.
Reply 228 Varney covered hopper, B&O red, 320835.
Reply 229 Varney covered hopper, NYC 880500, gray black top and ladder.
Reply 230 Mantua old brass 4 window caboose. late 30's and 40's.
Reply 231 International Model Products caboose. Late 30's and 40's.
Reply 232 International model products caboose. Other side.
Reply 234 HObbyline box car TP&W 6014.
Reply 239 HObbyline box car DL&W, "Route of the Phoebe Snow".
Reply 240 HObbyline box car Frisco, SL-SF, 17260.
Reply 241 HObbyline box car General American Car Co. GAEX 109029.
Reply 243 HObbyline box car Nickel Plate, # 28127.
Reply 244 HObbyline box car New Haven, # 36406.
Reply 245 HObbyline box car Rutland # 104.
Reply 246 HObbyline box car Great Northern, GN 2506.
Reply 247 8 tank group before working on them.
Reply 248 Globe, tank car, Sinclair, SDRX 7143.
Reply 249 Globe, tank car, Shell, SCCX 1158.
Reply 250 Athearn, tank car, Union Tank, 3 dome, UTLX 206.
Reply 251 Varney, tank car, Sinclair, SDRX 38000.
Reply 252 Athearn, tank car, Deep Rock, 3 dome, DRX 2154.
Reply 253 Athearn, tank car, Magnolia, MPCX 344,345, and 349.
Reply 254 Athearn, tank car, Crystal car line, CCLX 302.
Reply 255 Athearn, tank car, COOP, CYTX 8704.
Reply 256 Athearn, tank car, COOP, apart, remaining good parts.
Reply 257 Athearn, tank car, Union Tank, 3 dome, UTLX 267.
Reply 260 Globe, tank car, Union Starch and refining Co., USTX 724.
Reply 263 Red Ball, tank car, Monsanto Chemical. MCHX 110.
Reply 270 Marx, hopper open, Virginian, brown, VGN 28233.
Reply 272 Marx-Sears train set 9940. NH F3a 5 cars and caboose. Boat car !
Reply 273 Marx box car Sears Santa Fe,
Reply 274 Marx box car Santa Fe, SFRD 2381.
Reply 275 Marx box car Boston & Main, BM 77000.
Reply 276 Marx box car Great Northern Green, 11874 (update 1-25-2016)
Reply 277 Marx Box car Great Northern Brown, 11847.
Reply 279 Marx Box car New Haven, Ginnis Paint, 40397
Reply 281 Marx Box car NYC Pacemaker, White lettering, 174479
Reply 282 Marx Box car NYC Pacemaker, Black lettering, 174479
Reply 283 Marx Box car NYC Early-Bird, box car red, 174853
Reply 284 Old Wood box car DL&W, 45002.

this index is continued in reply 1. The next post.
frank





Title: Re: old kit cars from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on May 15th, 2011, 8:41pm
The index continues starting with Reply 285.
Reply 285. Another old wood kit car. Box Car "B&O Globe Line" # 2416
Reply 288, Marx Box Car, Union Pacific, UP-104436.
Reply 289, Marx Box Car, Wells Fargo, WF 352.
Reply 290, Marx Box Car, Northern Pacific, no number.
Reply 291, Marx Gondola, Western Maryland, no number.
Reply 292, Marx Gondola, Chesapeake and Ohio, C&O 36000.
Reply 293, Marx Gondola, Southern Pacific, SP 160149.
Reply 294, Marx Gondola, Western Maryland, WM 54201.
Reply 295, Marx Hopper 2 bay, Virginian, red and brown cars. VGN 28233.
Reply 296, Marx Hopper 2 bay, Western Maryland, WM 70018.
Reply 301, Marx hopper 2 bay, Lehigh Valley, LV 25000.
Reply 302, Marx hopper covered, Leigh Portland cement, LPCH 109.
Reply 303, Marx hopper covered, Huron Portland cement. HUCX 47.
Reply 304, Marx tank car, Sinclair, SRDX 3827.
Reply 305, Marx tank car, Allstate, no number.
Reply 306, Marx tank car, Rocket Fuel, white, X-415.
Reply 307, Marx tank car, Rocket Fuel, red, X-415.
Reply 308, Marx tank car, Citi Service, CSOX 2645.
Reply 309, Marx tank car, Hooker, GATX 78450.
Reply 311, Marx flat car, NYC 499898 red.
Reply 313, Marx flat car, LV 10049 green.
Reply 315, Marx flat car, ICHC 6130. ( came with 2 bull dozers )
Reply 316, Marx flat car, Erie 6028 with boat.
Reply 318, Marx flat car, WFLX 6194, red, Log carry and dump car came with special track. electrically operated.
Reply 319, Marx flat car, WFLX 6194, red operating log car with logs.
Reply 320, Marx flat car, WFLX 6194 with beer load. 4 Layout delivery.
Reply 321, Marx Generator Flat car, Westinghouse WECX 128, black.
Reply 322, Marx Gen and light car. Westinghouse WECX 128, black.
Reply 323, Marx work flat with crane, Monon CIL 320 red.
Reply 324, Marx Heavy Crane, NYC, black. edited, added to here 7-29-16.
Reply 325, Marx caboose Bay window, NYC 20298 red.
Reply 326, Marx caboose Bay window, NYC 20298 green.
Reply 327, Marx caboose 3 window w cupola, NYC 20295 silver, black, red.
Reply 328, Marx caboose bay window, WP 645 green
Reply 329, Marx caboose bay window, RI 1959, red.
Reply 330, Marx caboose bay window, NH C-630, red.
Reply 331, Marx caboose 3 window, NH No#, McGinnis. w antenna.
Reply 332, Marx caboose gable roof, Valley Express no #, red and black.
Reply 333, Marx caboose bay window, Santa-Fe 2226, red. (updated 8-27-16).
Reply 338, Marx Santa Fe passenger set ( no combine yet)
Reply 339, Cities Service flat car with Cities-Service small tanks.
Reply 340, Flat car ICHX 6130 red with 2 bulldozers
Reply 343 Varney Display chemical Tank Car, BECCO. BECX 8914, Sold as you see it. Very rare! I condition as I had gotten it. With safety platform.
Reply 344 Varney Becco BECX 8914 . another one I run
Reply 345 Varney Becco display after replacing broken and missing parts.
Reply 346 Marx work car, Rock Island 90798.
Reply 347 Wooden Kit reefer assembled, Northern Pacific 93542. Unknown maker.
Reply 351 Gilbert #501 CB&Q 2 bay hopper, Gilbert car. Also sold with Varney car.
Reply 352 HObbyline Pennsylvania passenger car set. 1956.
Reply 353 Gilbert #418 Koppers tank car KPCX 518. Gilbert car.
Reply 355 by NEFAN, wood caboose ERIE 04961 assembled by Magor.
Reply 356 by NEFAN, wood kit reefer, Apples from Yakima Valley Washington.
Reply 357 Marx train set #17840, box cover.
Reply 358 Marx set 17840, NYC steam switcher set.
Reply 362 Wood reefer kit assembled, Santa-Fe Grand Canyon Line SFRD 24082.
Reply 363 opposite side of SFRD 24082 showing system map.
Reply 364 Marx depressed metal flat car ERIE 7210 red, with Penn Line generator load.
Reply 365 Lionel NYC stock car #78575. I call it the Crazy Chicken.
Reply 399 Fleischmann 0-6-0t #1320 made in Western Germany and 3 old PECO made cars from Eastern Germany.
Reply 367 Mantua-Tyco cars lettered for the U.S.Navy. 2 flat, 2 Hopper cars.
Reply 368 Rivarossi made for Lionel 1956 PRR work car PRR 6475 .
Reply 369 by NEFAN, Old red ball wood kit box car assembled, not painted.
Reply 370 Athearn steel reefer, BAR 7561.
Reply 371 Lindberg Milwaukee flat car with a load of 3 U.S.Navy crates.
Reply 372 Fleischmann 0-6-0 pulls 2 Mantua-Tyco U.S.Army box cars and a caboose.
Reply 373 Athearn work car I repainted for U.S.Navy.
Reply 376 Lionel #0815 Rocket fuel car.
Reply 377 Lionel #0873 Horse transport Car.
Reply 378 Lionel #08361 Alaska 3 bay hopper car in red with white lettering.
Reply 379 Lionel #08643 Alaska RR box car.
Reply 380 Gilbert #126 Sinclair tank car. ( updated 08-22-2017 ).





* Here is what the cars look like.
MDT NYC and Hormel Foods

Title: Re: old kit cars from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on May 15th, 2011, 8:43pm
post 3

Here are the Last two.
Santa Fe Scout with map, and Santa Fe Dry Ice car

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by photoman475 on May 18th, 2011, 7:59am
Globe is one name I've heard of.  I believe it ended up as part of Athearn-Athearn's original F7 was from the original Globe dies.  The other one I've never heard of before.

I have a couple of old Ulrich metal coal hoppers to work on-one needs decals and some paint repaired, the other needs trucks, hopper door work and a repaint and decals.  They should be fun when I finally get around to them.


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on May 18th, 2011, 12:54pm

on 05/18/11 at 07:59:28, photoman475 wrote:
Globe is one name I've heard of. I believe it ended up as part of Athearn-Athearn's original F7 was from the original Globe dies. The other one I've never heard of before.

I have a couple of old Ulrich metal coal hoppers to work on-one needs decals and some paint repaired, the other needs trucks, hopper door work and a repaint and decals. They should be fun when I finally get around to them.

 
I think they Athearn may have released some of the GLOBE metal freight  cars also. here is the one that is in the box.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jun 3rd, 2011, 4:30pm
post 6

You have seen the Railway HO Models ATSF Dry Ice Car. Here is the laconia Dry Ice Car. Mathieson Dry Ice.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jun 10th, 2011, 8:21am
Here is a RED BALL Borden's Milk Tank car.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jun 20th, 2011, 9:40am
post 8

A old Ambroid wood kit. A 36' ventilated box car. Alantic Coast Line.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jul 23rd, 2011, 4:03pm
Mainline Models made this all wood kit. It is of a 50' wood outside braced box car. The different thing about it is it was called a " door and a half " type. You can see why. A Southern Pacific Autmobile car. When made correctly as this one is the doors will slide open.
Frank


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by photoman475 on Jul 25th, 2011, 8:19pm
Toptrain:

I think you may be right about the old Globe metal kits being produced by Athearn.  I bought a Bowser metal car kit in about 1987 or 1988 that had been part of the Athearn metal kit line.  So, it's lineage prpbably goes back to Globe!

Red Ball is another old greta name.  They also did some brass diesels in the 1960s and 1970s.  I wanted to buy their H16-44 when it came out-but Dad said it cost too much, even though I had enough money to get it!  'Twas freshman year in high school, as I recall....

Alan

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jul 25th, 2011, 9:33pm
Alen ; Being a old fart, I have had some chances to get some Red Ball Power. I have passed up most. I do have the Baldwin double ender diesel that was made only for the CNJ. Also one steamer. A CNJ 4-6-0 camelback. The diesel is a very slow runner. The steamer is good.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Aug 8th, 2011, 8:27pm
post 12
Athearn made many different types of cars with many road names. This is a all metal, 32 foot tank car, of 1950's vintage. ATLAS Oil Corporation.
frank


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by photoman475 on Aug 17th, 2011, 9:39am
Toptrain:

And then there's some of the other old names from the past-Marx, Varney, Lindberg and Revell for example.

I'm sure there's others.  I have a few Marx and Varney cars, but no Lindberg or Revell.  

I also have a couple of Hobbytown locos with metal shells, one of which has a short in it I haven't found yet.  The other one barely runs at all.

Alan

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Aug 18th, 2011, 5:33pm

on 08/17/11 at 09:39:30, photoman475 wrote:
Toptrain:

And then there's some of the other old names from the past-Marx, Varney, Lindberg and Revell for example.

I'm sure there's others. I have a few Marx and Varney cars, but no Lindberg or Revell.

I also have a couple of Hobbytown locos with metal shells, one of which has a short in it I haven't found yet. The other one barely runs at all.

Alan


Alan there are many Marx nand Revell cars out there easy to fine. Lindberg on the other hand are very hard to find.
* Here is a Lindbergh box car. Chicago and North Western Railroad.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Sep 19th, 2011, 9:43am
post 15

*  Mainline, Palace Poultry Car. Even today this car will look at home on any layout.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 21st, 2011, 8:27pm
Today a old wood reefer. Prima Beer. I dont know who made it. Any ideas.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by Lfire83 on Oct 25th, 2011, 6:43pm
Looks like custom or aftermarket decals on that Prima Beer car... wet transfer for sure.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 29th, 2011, 6:40pm

on 10/25/11 at 18:43:08, Lfire83 wrote:
Looks like custom or aftermarket decals on that Prima Beer car... wet transfer for sure.

That is what came with the kit, way back when.
toptrain

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Nov 28th, 2011, 9:21pm
post 19

* Here is a second beer car "Miller High Life" of the same manufacture as the Prima. I had gottin 3 at the same time from a friend.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Dec 12th, 2011, 3:10pm
post 20

Here is a old all metal 40 foot reefer, Carnation Milk. It has a stainless steel roof. I think from looking at old instruction sheets, that this is a old Athearn Metal reefer. It is made in the USA.
frank



Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Dec 20th, 2011, 8:38am
post 21

* the Ulrich car line sold by Walters for many years have filled the aviable railroad car stock with well detailed models. This is the Ulrich. This is a all metal flat car almost the same as a Penn Line and others. The Ulrick came with triangular support to accept the trailers king pin, for the truck load. The wheels were held nicely in place by the cast in detail on the flat bed floor. A screw can be seen coming up through the floor into the trailer body holding all in place. This load wasn't going anywhere. Penn Line used round tubes to hold there truck bodies in place, with no screw. The trailer just sat there and could vibrate off. The same flat was also released with no raised truck body supports. I know of this different Trailer carier flat car being sold one way. It was sold with a removeable Wood Load.
* Here is my one and only ulrich flat with truck load. The car itself is just painted black with no lettering. The Truck body is the MONON, Trailer-Maid rail Service.
* On this USA made model car, all is metal, including the load and tires.
frank


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jan 18th, 2012, 10:34am
For today I chose what I think to be a old Mantua Tank car , which I think also may be a Varney. It has a nice Quaker State Oil Company lettlering set. It is a metal car with paper sides applied to a metal tank tube.
Frank
edit 1 : 8/14/2012 This weekend, I seen a texaco tank car of the same type. It has for a center a wood dowl. Paper printed sides, and stamped metal ends. That must be how this Quaker State car is made also.
* Now reviewing this car it has handrail stachions of a mantua type. The kind used on Mantua Locomotives of the 1940s and 1950s. I am changing the Manufactures name to Mantua from Varney.

frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Feb 2nd, 2012, 11:41am
post 23

** A third wood reefer the same as post 16 and 19 in another Beer type.
*  " Heilemans Old Style Lager " URTC0 19511.
frank


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by petey on Feb 2nd, 2012, 8:09pm
Hey Frank, et al,
If you want old brewery reefers, go to the Greenway site.  Many, many of them there.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Feb 2nd, 2012, 9:10pm
* Pete, The Greenway products are not from the 50s and 60s. They do not belong here! Most Greenway product beer reefers are of newer or imaginary beer distributers. It has ugly untypical type cars. not representive of the 1920s to 1950s. I have more than plenty of beer reefers. I can easily say I have enough. Of the made up Brewerys, I probably have only one 1.
* This thread is for old freight car kits from the 50s and 60s. I would expand on that by saying the all metal ones, cast, or tin plate. The old ones, wood, or metal with paper sides. The old wood kits with thick decals and larger than scale wood in more OO than HO. The old cars from companies no longer in business, or car dropped from their product lines, and the like. All made in this era, the 50s and 60s. You can add to this the 40s.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Feb 15th, 2012, 10:17pm
** Back to a old wood reefer. By that I mean this model is made of wood. Made completly of wood.
* The Supreme Biscuit Company.
* This kit was made by Binkley.
Frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Mar 1st, 2012, 4:39pm
Post 27
** A old all metal tank car with 3 domes. if you have seen this car and know who made it please post a message here or PM me.
frank

*** Edit September 4 2012. I have found in a old catalog that Athearn made a 3 dome tank car in the road name Shippers Express. This car has the same road name. I will try to look further into this.
* When I look through the old catalogues in the HOseeker site Athearn lists having a Shippers express 3 dome tank car. This could be it, but it isn't. This car is a original Globe car from before Athearn purchased the line and added it to their line.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Mar 14th, 2012, 11:08am
post 29

GLOBE Old metal tank car Phillips-66, P&PBX 9236. Marked GLOBE on bottom of walkway.
frank




Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Apr 20th, 2012, 7:20pm
From a old wood kit, maybe Ambroid. A 40' double door box car. Great Northern Railway. GN 3506.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by HwyHaulier on Apr 21st, 2012, 9:47am
Frank -

Fascinating thread! GN 3506 (just above here). It is trying to tell us things! See the "cross wise" shapes on roof, which also supported walkway?

Back sometime ago (oh, during the Garfield Administration?), I built up a similar kit. Seems to me, for the roof detail, the kit supplied about
a dozen stamped, thin metal shapes. The kit user had to gently bend to conform to roof, and the end (of each) were gently bent over to catch the
milled stock edge of the roof piece.

Beats me what supplier? I know I had a preference for Ambroid and Laconia. May still be around here somewhere. I recall doing a typical
CN Box Car (which line used largely for grain), an ACL "Watermelon Car" and a number of the Ambroid Day Coaches...

Support testimony here: Yes, ATHEARN did acquire GLOBE (long, long ago). IIRC, first opportunity for Athearn to get the EMD F- unit tooling.
Then, the sad business of much of the old VARNEY tooling went to LIFE-LIKE,,,

..............................Vern......................

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Apr 23rd, 2012, 8:25pm
Vern , Hi there. Thanks for the recolections. As you see when looking at all the posts here in this thread, the Ambroid and Lacoina names are represented. One in the ACL watermellon car and the other in a dry Ice car. Others shown are Athearn, Globe, Red Ball, Ulrich, Railway models, Silver Steak, Varney, and Mainline. Tho I didn't put in the Silver Streak name to any car, I think it made the Heilman, Prima, and Miller beer cars. I.ve been told that. I have a lot of others, mostly old Mantua, and Varney. And others I dont know who had made them. So as long as there is interst in them I will keep on placeing photos here. I hope to here more from you.
* Frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on May 26th, 2012, 9:01am
* My next car is a 40' reefer. Santa Fe, Grand Canyon Lines. I am sure that the under floor steel beam with the open areas to allow for cables, chains and air lines to pass through will say to a knowledgeable modeler just who produced this car. I dont know. the painted sides are realy printed paper sides. Mantua did that. You would buy the boxed car kit and the hobby shop owner would let you pick thro his selection of printed paper sides for one you want for your car.

Road markings are : SFRD 24082


frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jun 3rd, 2012, 9:41am
above in reply 31 I spoke of the reefers where you selected paper sides for them. This also applied for other types of cars. Hoppere, box, and others. Here is a picture of a Mantua box for a reefer kit. read what is said on the box.
* This is one side of box. A all metal reefer. Collage Inn soup.
frank
next post has other side of box.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jun 3rd, 2012, 9:46am
Same box other side. This is how it was ! Though the print is missing I think it says to get the sides from your dealer , and they are included in the price.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jun 18th, 2012, 9:18pm
A old name. Silvine. 1950s. A all brass tank car I decaled for
** " Victor Chemical Works "
toptrain


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jul 6th, 2012, 9:54am
I dont think that i have touched of these yet. Varney all Metal 40' box cars.
Main Central, " The Pine tree Route", MEC 6444. The same silk screens used to letter these cars were used on their later plactic 40, box cars. The same number MEC 6444 is used their. A plastic version was made by Varney for sale by Penn Line in 1960 to 1962. The number 6444 is used on the Penn-Line car. It is hard to know if you have a Penn-Line one because the only noticeable difference was a little black sticker with white lettering that said Penn-Line was applied to the cars bottom. Most fell off and were lost.

toptrain


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Aug 9th, 2012, 5:30pm
* Back Again !
* Today is another Varney all metal. Later on in the 60s plastic floors raplaced the metal floors in the box car series.
* Today's car is a 40' box car. New Haven. NH 30862. orange and silver.
toptrain

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Aug 14th, 2012, 9:49am
** Back, way back when. Globe then Athearn who purchased globe, made what became a extensive line of Tinkin Roller Bearing cars. From what I know there were only 4 different cars. 3 box car, and one tank car. What makes them extensive is all 3 box car were produced with many different car numbers. The box cars came in a yellow, blue and white version. A red with silver stripe version. last a Silver car with blue strips and details. I have all 3 but with one number each.

* Now I spoke all about the Timkin car except the tank car. For all I know it may have came out with different numbers also. I have 2 with the same number. One very beat up one I got first. later on I found this car.

* It is a Athearn car. It is Timkin Roller Bearing # 7846. The color pattern matches the first box car I spoke of.

toptrain


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by HwyHaulier on Aug 14th, 2012, 10:27am
Frank - All -

Brief note of the 1:1 scene of the era. TIMKEN realized importance of the "rolling billboards"!

IIRC, it had some serious competition, notably HYATT, a GM sub (?). May have been another active vendor, too...

.........................Vern......................

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Aug 14th, 2012, 1:13pm
Tinkin 2
Box car , Athearn Yellow, white and blue details. I only have the 1970 to 1990 Athearn car in this paint skeem. Please forgive me for this error. The same car was made for Lionel with a yellow roof.
toptrain

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by photoman475 on Aug 18th, 2012, 9:16pm
Toptrain:

Are those the old Athearn sprung trucks on that Timken box?  I had an EL box car with those back in the very late 60s.  I replaced them because they so different from my other trucks!  

I know better now, of course.

Alan

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Aug 20th, 2012, 12:56pm
Timkin 3
* the Lionel Timkin box car . As can be seen the car is yellow with a white stripe. The car was made for Lionel by Athearn. It was aviable in the 1960s. You can see the Lionel L within a circle marking this car as a Lionel one.
toptrain1

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Aug 20th, 2012, 1:01pm
** Timkin 4
* This is the red timpkin Car. It is the Globe/Athearn metal box car. it came in many numbers. Maybe as many as 10.
toptrain

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by photoman475 on Aug 20th, 2012, 9:52pm
As I understand it, Bev-Bel purchased undecorated HO Athearn cars and then did the short runs of the their specially painted cars.


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Aug 20th, 2012, 10:01pm
Hi again Alan.
* Yep your right. Bev bel made the yellow and the red cars. I dont know if the made the silver and blue car. I'll post a photo of it here. The only one I have is a unbuilt Athearn metal car from the 1960s. The third style Timken roller bearing car .
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by Henry on Aug 21st, 2012, 10:58am
Does anyone know when Bev-Bel started doing production runs of custom paint jobs? I have a whole slew of Bev-Bel Athearn cars and think most of them are from the 70's and 80's. Probably enough to do a whole Bev-Bel thread...

Henry

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by photoman475 on Aug 22nd, 2012, 10:12am
Henry:

It seems to me that Bev-Bel was doing HO cars by the 1980s, and perhaps in the late 1970s.  

Didn't they also paint some Bachmann/Lionel GP30 shells in the 1980s?  I don't remember for sure, so I thought I'd throw that out there.

They also did some passenger cars too, using the Athearn undecorated heavyweight cars as their starting point.

What I liked about their cars was being able to get paint schemes that no one else was doing, and still at reasonable prices.

A Bev-Bel/Kar Line thread sounds interersting.

Alan

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Aug 22nd, 2012, 11:55am
Hi guys ! They also sold those painted GP30 shells as sold ready to run locomotives, less off course mounting details like the hand rails, on Athearn GP35 drives. At train shows don't pick up one of these GP30s by squeezing the body from above. The Bachmann shell fits but doesn't attach to the drive. When you try to pick it up this way, the drive falls out. People who get these and know of this problem and should fix it. There is a fix that works on any diesel kitbashed where the body doesn't attach to the drive.
toptrain


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by photoman475 on Aug 22nd, 2012, 9:07pm
Toptrain:

Now that you mention Bev-Bel GP30s, didn't they mill the corners of the Athearn frame so the carbody would ride on the frame?  Seems to me they had to do something like that to get the body to fit.

Alan


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Aug 22nd, 2012, 10:45pm

on 08/22/12 at 21:07:08, photoman475 wrote:
Toptrain:

Now that you mention Bev-Bel GP30s, didn't they mill the corners of the Athearn frame so the carbody would ride on the frame? Seems to me they had to do something like that to get the body to fit.

Alan


Alan ; I have never realy knew about it, noticed, or looked for that. I will compare to a stock frame, when i can.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Sep 3rd, 2012, 6:36am
* Back in Reply # 14 Is a Mainline Palace Poultry Car. It was finished in brown and yellow. Here is one by a different manufacture. This is done in green and white. Though similar it is Not the same. I have seen it in adds in the model Railroader Magazine. Can't think of who made it. I have it listed as Main-Line but kind of remember it wasn't. If I see it again I will edit in that info.
toptrain1

edit 9-17-2012 :
 In a March 1954 Magazine is a add for this car. It is made by " Model Wood Lumber Co. "
toptrain1

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Sep 3rd, 2012, 9:08am
* Silver Streak was another makers of wood and cast freight car kits.
Here is a Old style gondola car. Comonly seen on work trains.
* Nickel plate #65320
* toptrain1

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Sep 3rd, 2012, 7:36pm
* Another Silver Streak gondola. Same road. New Number NKP 63025
toptrain

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's Bev-Bel
Post by petey on Sep 4th, 2012, 8:39am
Toptrain,
At one time I had an entire freight train set.  Everything may have been individually boxed, but it all came packaged in a larger flat.  This was decorated as Delaware & Hudson with GP38s.  It was all Bachmann.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's Bev-Bel
Post by toptrain on Sep 4th, 2012, 11:31am

on 09/04/12 at 08:39:09, petey wrote:
Toptrain,
At one time I had an entire freight train set. Everything may have been individually boxed, but it all came packaged in a larger flat. This was decorated as Delaware & Hudson with GP38s. It was all Bachmann.



* It would have been interesting to see. Was bachmann around in the 1960's. frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by petey on Sep 4th, 2012, 2:04pm
Yes, Bachmann was around in the '60s.
I believe this set was from the '90s or 2000s.
I put my comment in this thread because of the discussion of Bev-Bel.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Sep 4th, 2012, 7:04pm
Thanks for the Info Pete.
Nowanother old Tank Car.
A Mantua GULF Oil CO. This is made the same as the Quaker State car.
A all metal car with Embossed Printed Paper sides. the embossing add raised rivet and seam details to the model.
toptrain1

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Sep 12th, 2012, 8:36pm
* A very old all metal tank car. Built like a Globe or Athearn is this Mobile Gas # SVX 916. Red ball also made cars like this one. I have never found one in a Red Ball box so I don't know if this is one.  This cars and its second car SVX 518 are both marked Globe.
toptrain

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Sep 12th, 2012, 8:39pm
* Here is another Mantua tank car. I recieved this from a good friend. A second Mobil Gas # SVX 918.
toptrain

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by Marty_Feldner on Sep 13th, 2012, 12:08am
Boy, do those Mantua hook-and-loop couplers bring back memories...

My father used them untill he finally made the switch to Kadee's in the late sixties- after two decades. They were a bear to keep aligned vertically (and it was critical), cranky at best to uncouple, and if one car went over, they all did...

(And that warp in the middle of the zamak walkway on the tank car wasn't rare, even in the fifties.)

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Sep 13th, 2012, 8:24am
A quick note :
** As to what I have been posting. Old mantua horn hook and loop couplers work prerfectly for people who used them. They just like many European types dont look like the real thing. I dont compare these to current knuckle couplers or any other newer accepted way of doing things. * This post is for old timers like myself to see again and remember some of what was around in the 40's 50,s and early 60's. For younger people to see what was. As to the bent walkway . the metal used is very soft. Just picking up a car can cause the walkway to become bent. If you bend them straight they break. If they break you dont get to see them in a photo on a track. You get to see parts in a box. I learned that if you want to keep them you leave them alone.
* Also most important, I do run these cars. They run just fine. When I look at real train car, do you notice all the dirty beat-up cars out there on trains. Maybe these are prototypical.
* I know people with pristine HO models from this period. Where are they? Do they share photos of their equipment? No to both. They are collectors. They collect. That is what they do. They buy, store, and try to remember, and talk about what they have. What the ones I know do is share information. I show them a car and they say who made it and when. To me that is very valuable. I like that.
toptrain
PS I Know what the word share means. I try. I hope others with these older trains will post photos here or someplace so I and others can see them again, or maybe for the first time.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 1st, 2012, 7:40am
Does anybody remember Gilbert, the HO American Flyier. I have a tank car by them. about 1956.
Gilbert #500. Gulf, GRCX 5016. I would guess by the # 500, their one of their first plactic HO tank car using NMRA X2F style couplers. I have the old die cast metal one and also another plastic one #125 which has or had a very old style of Gilbert coupler used on cars before this one #500. My Old metal one is awaiting a new paint job.
toptrain1

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 1st, 2012, 7:52am
* Now Gilbert made all die cast HO train cars before WW2. Like I said I have a tank car. Also a reefer and caboose. all awaiting new paint and lettering. Now their is another a cast gondola. It came in a kit form and ready to run in train sets. The kits came in bare metal with decal sets, and painted black or tuscan with decal sets. I remember Lehigh New England in black and Pennsy in tuscan. I have the LNE. Lehigh and New England which was one of the factory decorated one and not a kit.
toptrain

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 28th, 2012, 5:39pm
* Model Die Casting ;Low side metal gondola, ERIE #18892.
toptrain1

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 28th, 2012, 5:47pm
Ulrich; 40' gondola, drop bottom, Great Northern, # 75890.
toptrain1

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by photoman475 on Nov 4th, 2012, 6:35pm
My brother found this and sent it to me.  He thinks it's a Varney flat car from the 1950s.  It has a plastic body, steel fishbelly frame and honest to goodness sprung trucks.  

This one is lettered ATSF.  There's another for the PRR.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Nov 5th, 2012, 8:19am

on 11/04/12 at 18:35:03, photoman475 wrote:
My brother found this and sent it to me. He thinks it's a Varney flat car from the 1950s. It has a plastic body, steel fishbelly frame and honest to goodness sprung trucks.

This one is lettered ATSF. There's another for the PRR.


* It looks like a Varney to me. The sprung trucks are a nice touch.
* Reminds me of a Varney add photo of a dinosaur hitched to one of these flat cars. The photo was a John Allen conceived scene on his G&D railroad. The flat car had for a load a DC60 Pittman motor. The motor was tied down in a prototypical way  with many figures filling the scene, all working hard to complete their task.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Nov 5th, 2012, 8:59am
Here is a HObbyline box car . Texas and Pacific RR. It came in 1955 and 56 as a kit. It was a shake the box kit, a little harder then a Athearn kit, bacause you had to put a decal on eack side. The car was colored allready, and the lettering silkscreened, of stamped on.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by photoman475 on Nov 5th, 2012, 8:50pm
Frank:

This paint scheme for the TP&W is the far more common one for these 40' box cars.  It's interesting that Hobbyline had it in their line, as the TP&W was not a very commonly done roadname.

Now, if you ever see any box car with the Tee Pee Willie on it, that is a conversation piece!

Alan

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Nov 5th, 2012, 9:16pm
OK Allen ! Now you did it. Who, or what is Tee Pee Willie? An American Indian ? Is it on a TP&W box car ?
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by photoman475 on Nov 7th, 2012, 12:08am
Frank:

Here's a photo of the real thing at this website:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=68681

Tee Pee Willie was a symbol of the railroad-a way of trying to get the TP&W initials out there for the shippers to remember.  These Pullman-built box cars used the paint colors as the locomotives.

Enjoy!

Alan

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Nov 7th, 2012, 2:54pm
Very nice Allen.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by photoman475 on Nov 13th, 2012, 8:19pm
And here is the other Varney flat car I mentioned in my other post, of the PRR:


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Nov 15th, 2012, 5:57am
Going back a little to the TP&W again. I found this photo of my AHM TP&W box car. frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by petey on Nov 15th, 2012, 8:22am
Frank,
You are getting an early start this morning.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Nov 15th, 2012, 9:32am

on 11/15/12 at 08:22:52, petey wrote:
Frank,
You are getting an early start this morning.

pete
Going over to a friends house to replace some outlets damaged by sandy.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by petey on Nov 15th, 2012, 4:53pm
Frank,
An admirable start of your day.  You're a good freind to have.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Nov 17th, 2012, 6:53am
Well back to the old Cars.
** This one is a paper sided tank car by Silver Streak.
*** North American Tank Line **
toptrain1

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by photoman475 on Nov 17th, 2012, 8:34am
I don't think I've ever seen a paper sided car before.  I knew it was done once upon a time, but have never been sure of how long those cars lasted.  Nice!

Alan

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Nov 17th, 2012, 6:34pm

on 11/17/12 at 08:34:20, photoman475 wrote:
I don't think I've ever seen a paper sided car before. I knew it was done once upon a time, but have never been sure of how long those cars lasted. Nice!

Alan


Alan ; They were around in the 50s and early 60s. maybe 40s also.
About paper sided tank cars. Mantua, Athearn, Globe, Varney, maybe Thomas made paper sides applied to metal or wood tubes. Photos here are these. ** ** reply #  5 Texaco - Globe. 12 Atlas - Globe. 21 Quaker State - Globe. 27 Phillips 66- ? maybe globe.  37 Timken - Athearn. 56 Gulf- mantua. Remember all globe became, athearn so some i have marked globe may have been athearn.

frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Nov 28th, 2012, 7:30am
???? Big question does anyone have info, photos, adds, on Roundhouse metal tank cars. I haven't found any un-built kits. They are out there somewhere. I've been told there are 2 different styles of tank cars. I looked through some old catalogs seen pictures but nowhere does it say whether they are metal models, or Plastic.
toptrain1

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Dec 1st, 2012, 3:53pm
Keeping on with old kit of the 50's and 60's with some 40's and 70's thrown in by mistake, I will post a Varney Metal reefer. It is a 60's car.
BLATZ BEER, Old Heidelberg Beer.
toptrain1

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Dec 31st, 2012, 11:42am
Varney all Metal box car NC&St.L  "To and From Dixieland" #22145.
toptrain1

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Feb 8th, 2013, 1:53pm
Varney metal reefer. Gerbers Strained Vegetables.
toptrain

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Mar 20th, 2013, 4:03pm
Varney all metal box car. MKT 45090, " The Katy ".

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by HwyHaulier on Mar 21st, 2013, 8:59am

on 03/20/13 at 16:03:46, toptrain wrote:
Varney all metal box car. MKT 45090, " The Katy ".

toptrain -

Note this an especially interesting prototype! The marks on right side tell us this class of cars were assigned to Railway Express, and Storage Mail use.
So, were it to be precisely correct, the cars with "train lines" so could be placed on Passenger runs? Also, the question whether this group of cars on
KATY ran on Passenger design trucks? Ah, I'll let the KATY scholars figure it...

.........................Vern.......................



Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by photoman475 on Mar 21st, 2013, 10:40pm
Vern:

Actually, you are probably right.  If Varney painted the car even close to correctly, it's not in box car red, and isn't that the typical box car color in the 1940s and 1950s?  

So, if Varney is close to right, that would put the Katy in the same league as the MILW, GN and NYC.  (They are my examples.)  The MILW painted many of their express box cars with a wide yellow stripe on the side of the car-Roundhouse had a box car done that way.  The GN had a green and orange paint scheme on quite a few of their express box cars, and then there's the NYC's red and gray Pacemaker paint scheme.  

And even if they were not used on the crack passenger trains, they would be appropriate for secondary trains.

I'm not a Katy expert-I'm just saying it's possible, that's all.

Have a good one.

Alan

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by HwyHaulier on Mar 22nd, 2013, 7:20am
Alan - Frank - All -

KATY? Check it out! The line went to a default Lemon Yellow paint, on much of anything that moved, in the era. It was a statement of
the new and improved KATY, following the maxims of John Barriger, IIRC.

Respecting the other solid examples you noted. When the equipment followed same styling as the line's marquee Passenger trains,
it implied much of it was on high speed trucks, and "train lines" to support all the cars in the consists. Recall, a great deal of MILW
rolling stock in its signature Orange.

IMHO, the VARNEY exemplar recalls a Car which could have and would have had assignments on Passenger schedules. U S Mail
and Express run as Passenger, not Freight, work! BTW & N.B.: NYC PACEMAKER Cars runs in "Fast Freight, Merchandise and
Forwarder" movements. It was "Freight Side" work. So were the dramatic B & O SENTINEL SERVICE Cars!

Related Ref.: See http://www.nrrhof.org/pages/Barriger.php  Seems to me the KATY Yellow preceded arrival of John W. Barriger, III...

BTW. Heard the somewhat ugly Weather reports, in that it is expected the Red River is going to be trouble this season. Wishing you
all the best...

...............................Vern..........................

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Mar 22nd, 2013, 9:26am
Concerning HO box cars I have in MKT yellow. There are just 2 others. A Varney plastic 40' box #96450, and a Mantua-Tyco box with # 45090 same as the first photo I posted . I dont have any MKT box cars in box car red or brown. Just these 3. all in yellow.
frank
this is the Mantua box.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Mar 22nd, 2013, 9:29am
This is the Varney Plactic 40' box car in MKT yellow. What does the XM stand for ?
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by HwyHaulier on Mar 22nd, 2013, 11:50am
Frank - All -

A few notes from "The Official Railway Equipment Register" dated Oct. 1961, ref. M-K-T equipment...

45090: Note the earlier with the Black Door, later replica did not carry forward. This in a group 45001 - 45385, noted as
Auto., Box, Steel, Staggered Doors. Classed as XMR, House Car, Automotive Device.

96450: This in a group 95000 - 96800, noted as Box, Steel Underframe. Classed as XM, House Car, General Service.

Note the subtle change in the two different 45090 replicas. The latter marked it for Railway Express service.
In any case, it would need to be on high speed trucks, and equipped with train lines, if run on Passenger schedules.

M-K-T colors? Hit the books, the websites, what have you. Sources may note when the line went to the Yellow paint.
Something is nagging me it went way back. It doesn't help that I have never lived at points local to M-K-T...

..............................Vern........................


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Mar 26th, 2013, 9:38am
Moving on to another HO train maker, Fleischmann. They are known for the european style HO trains. They were less known for there American cars.
* Here is a Reefer made in the way Mantua did their last partial metal reefer cars. a plastic body with painted sheet metal sides.
" Old Hidelberg Beer, Blatz Milwaukee Wis.".
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on May 6th, 2013, 8:39am
*  All metal Tank car made by Athearn. Southern Pacific.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on May 23rd, 2013, 8:04am
I was poking through my mantua cars when I found The Katty, MKT, stock cars that Mantua made in the late 50's and 60's in kit form as well as ready to run. They did them in both the brown and yellow.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jun 15th, 2013, 7:16am
Tyco-Mantua 40' gondola cars. Baltimore and Ohio RR. The first they made were all metal. There may have been 2 different metal gondolas. I have none of these. I have one of the first plastic bodied ones. All lettering was white , car was black. Baltimore and Ohio was spelt out. The same lettering was used on previously made all metal car. This is the car.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jun 15th, 2013, 7:21am
B&O gondola by tyco-mantua.
This is the second plastic version with different lettering. The car again is colored black with white lettering.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jun 15th, 2013, 7:24am
B&O gondola by tyco-mantua.
This is the third plastic version of the B&O gondola. A change of colors with same silk screen used for lettering.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jun 29th, 2013, 9:45am
A popular road name in the 40s, 50, and early 60s for gondolas was the Texas and Pacific. Gilbert, Varney, and Mantua all used it. In Gilbert it was there #127 car. One of the first plastic cars they made. It was released in both lite green and gray with the same lettering and number.
* Here is the green version.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jun 29th, 2013, 9:46am
* This is the Gilbert #127 Texas and Pacific Gondola in gray.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jul 7th, 2013, 8:49am
A few Varney tank car I'll post in the next 3 replies.
* A very common TEXACO car but the car itself is in surprisingly good condition paint wise. In need of handrails and ladders.
* The Texas Company riveted tank car TXC 6305. most common number for the Varney TEXACO tank car.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jul 7th, 2013, 8:53am
The second of 3 TEXACO tank cars by Varney.
* Here is used a different car. One with welded seams and no dome side platforms.
The same silk screen was used to letter this car, so it has the same road number.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jul 7th, 2013, 8:59am
The third of 3 TEXACO tank cars by Varney.
* Surprisingly I found somewhere a Varney TEXACO tank with its printed info offering a different road number. Possibly it was made for sale by another company like Gilbert, or Penn Line as was commonly done. I don't know the history of this car. I am just glad I found one with a second road number.
* TEXACO, TCX 7204.

frank


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jul 21st, 2013, 9:08am
** I posted a photo of the Varney 1950-60 metal reefer Blatz beer in reply 81. Here is the Blatx Beer, Made in West Germany American style reefer by Fleischmann. About 6 months ago I found this and a few other Fleischmann cars at a train show. This car and a State of Main produce car stood out because of there condition. They are in like new condition.
** Time to share the car with you.
frank

Ol' Heidelberg Beer , Blatz, URTX 1428.

V-1675.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jul 25th, 2013, 7:39am
I have a photo of the other Fleischmann metal side box car. I got at the last Wayne NJ train show. It, like the Blatz Beer car, is like new. Not bad for the late 1950's model train car.
Frank
V-1693

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jul 26th, 2013, 9:28am
In Fleischmann a couple of older cars that can be gotten at train shows, and on line for use of American style roads are 2 flat cars. Not your everyday 40 to 60 footers, but more specialties cars. One a heavy weight, articulated, depressed center car that can be used for all sorts of loads. It is a all metal car and it's weight alone is good for running empty. The other is a pair of short flat cars. They are different in that they have support bars that freely rotate, with raised ends, to capture and hold long loads. As the car with loads on run, and they pass through curves the rotating supports keep the load in place, always straight. Longer loads can be managed with the addition of another standard flat car. One to match the additional length of the load. The flat is placed between the 2 load support cars, and used as a idler car. Supporting no weight, just filling in the space between the load support cars.
* These are 2 very useful cars for any railroad. I have only the articulated flat car and will post a photo here, in this post once I have made a suitable photo.
frank
V-1709

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jul 26th, 2013, 9:46am
*** Fleischmann Articulated, depressed center, flat car. ***. A real heavy duty flat car for carrying heavy loads.
frank
V-1714

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Aug 4th, 2013, 1:56pm
Athearn all metal, old Mobilgas tank car.
frank
V-1736

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Aug 30th, 2013, 7:44am
This is the first Penn-Line HO car I am posting. It fits right in with the 1950s trains.
**  A Caboose. " Wabash ", #6789. a catchy number. It was a part of a Wabash train set I'll be post one at a time, less the loco.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by TAB on Sep 5th, 2013, 12:34am
.....now you did it Frank. I couldn't help myself. I've been following this topic since the start and I've begun collecting these old kits. Tank and refrigerator cars are my favorites. So far I only have the tank pictured below. I understand it to be a circa 1950 Mantua model but I would appreciate corrected information or a conformation of the information I have....Tom

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj151/cnjfan/Mantua1949ShellTankCar_zpscb0f89fe.jpg (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/cnjfan/media/Mantua1949ShellTankCar_zpscb0f89fe.jpg.html)

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Sep 5th, 2013, 12:44pm
Tom , does yours have printed paper sides, or is it painted. it has 4 things that mean to me it is a GLOBE. Athearn also made this car after it bought Globe.
1 Globe is one company that cast a handle on to the side of the dome. 2 They also embossed rivet detail in the tank around the dome. 3 They also had what looks like maybe a drain line centered in the tanks bottom. This drain comes out of a part, retangleular , that this pipe comes out of and a screw goes through to hold the dome on. The fourth thing is 2 dome vents on top of the dome that are separate castings

frank

Edit 6-4-2015

TOM I hope you find this edit for your GLOBE, SHELL tank car, SCCX 1150 now in this topic, seen in reply 108 and 112, I have posted in reply 249 the photo of GLOBE Shell SCCX 1158. A lucky find at a recent train show in May at Franklin NJ. A matching car to your Number 1150.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by TAB on Sep 5th, 2013, 1:04pm
......it appears to be painted metal.....Tom

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Sep 5th, 2013, 1:25pm
I edited my last post . I think it is a globe. Mantua had paper sides. I listed what I saw that made it globe. Globe also has a unique bottom. This is the mantua shell tank car.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by TAB on Sep 5th, 2013, 3:30pm
.....you're 'on the money' Frank.....thanks! I took a risk at removing one of the dome vents and off it came...see below...

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj151/cnjfan/GlobeTankCarTopDetail_zps2c51e9e3.jpg (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/cnjfan/media/GlobeTankCarTopDetail_zps2c51e9e3.jpg.html)


The bottom view not only showed the drain and body screw but also the name 'Globe' cast into the underside of the frame....I never noticed that till I looked at the photo. With my eyesight, even with glasses, it's hard to make out with the holes and ladder tabs in the way.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj151/cnjfan/GlobeTankCarBottomDetail_zpsaac7e618.jpg (http://s271.photobucket.com/user/cnjfan/media/GlobeTankCarBottomDetail_zpsaac7e618.jpg.html)


.....is that date of around 1950 accurate?......Tom

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Sep 6th, 2013, 4:20pm
Tom hi there. Great picture of those details. My camera is not good anymore and I need to Replace it. You photos are clear. Nice to view. They are so clear you can see the 2 triangular sign posts that need to be bent 90 dregs up to be properly displayed. You can see the differences I note about the globe car. The rivet detail ring around the dome is the same for Silver streak tank cars. That drain detail you show underneath is a globe and later Athearn detail only.
* Tom about the 1950 date it I think is earlier than that. Globe was around in the 1940's. I don't know what their HO line was then. Not that it matters. 1950 is old enough for calling a train old. Now me at 67. I don't think I am that old.
frank
PS : Can I copy you photos of the details and use for reference ? It helps with the remembering.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by TAB on Sep 6th, 2013, 9:57pm
Hello Frank...yes, most certainly, feel free to copy the photos. I did notice those two triangular signs but I didn't attempt to bend them upright as I didn't want to risk cracking the metal. Thanks for your help in providing information about this piece....Tom

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Sep 7th, 2013, 6:22am
TOM. with the signs. Scratch them on there down facing side. If they are brass, they should bend up without cracking and the scratch will face the tank and wont be seen. With mine, I seem to have gotten many that were assembled but not painted, I guess I'll have to take them apart, paint, then reassemble them. One thing about those old metal tank cars is they have good weight and run well.
When you closed your store did you keep the railroad layout you had in the back and the traction one up front in the store. Got any photos of them. There must be a MY layout topic here somewhere in HO section.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by TAB on Sep 7th, 2013, 1:47pm
Hello Frank....I'll try your suggestion for bending the signs....thanks! I still have the two layouts. They are stored in the garage at my daughter's house in, of all places, Bayonne. It's been a slow process but on half of the two car garage as been walled off and supplied with an electrical connection. The lights are in and soon there will be heat and air conditioning. The only pictures I have are of the Ogden Mine Railway which was the layout at the back of the store. These can be seen on my web site that can be reached by clicking on the "W" icon over on the left.....Tom

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Sep 7th, 2013, 7:40pm
To bad about the trolley layout. I remember the timing circuits that allow it to automatically run. I would waite for a crash that never came. It would make a great utube video.

frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by EM-1 on Sep 21st, 2013, 4:38pm

on 06/03/11 at 16:30:02, toptrain wrote:
post 6

You have seen the Railway HO Models ATSF Dry Ice Car. Here is the laconia Dry Ice Car. Mathieson Dry Ice.


I find this car, interesting1 Not sure I understand it tho.....that was the commodity hauled in it? Dry Ice, OR was dry ices used for another purpose within the car?

That being said, if it hauls Dry Ice, for what industry?

If it had Dry Ice inside it for hauling something required Dry Ice present, what was "that" item needing dry ice packed around it?

A VERY specialized car to say the least!

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by HwyHaulier on Sep 22nd, 2013, 7:42am
EM-1 - All -

The Prototype History explained on a site from RV Models. The equipment were "shipper cars" with specific design to get Dry Ice to customers...

http://www.richyodermodels.com/mathieson_history.htm


.....................HTH....................Vern....................

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Sep 24th, 2013, 8:33am
John , not so specialized as you may thing. Made from a gas it wasn't wet or produce water when it melted. Thus, Dry Ice. Frozen carbon dioxide was sold in direct completion with regular ice. Used at outdoor events. Anyone knowing about the problems with Carbon dioxide knows the reason it would fall out of favor, and disappear from view. The stuff I think,was colder than ice.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by HwyHaulier on Sep 24th, 2013, 9:06am
Frank - EM-1 - All -

Sidenote, of sorts? To add to the fun, the "real thing" MATHIESON Cars must have been nasty to work. It needs to be kept in mind there
was little use of "Tow Motor" (TM) (lift trucks) in the context of 1936. Had the platform cargo handling equipment been widely used, Dry Ice
could have been handled much differently and effectively.    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forklift_truck

.........................Vern........................

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by EM-1 on Sep 24th, 2013, 6:07pm
Frank,
That's interesting that they used Dry Ice in standard with regular ice, as it is much colder....I just wonder what happened to the car, or items that were in contact with it as back then, most farmers used it for the obvious thing, Cow and other animal reproduction, but..... that amount wasn't needed I don't believe.....

All this is interesting as that's something you don't see anymore.....

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 3rd, 2013, 7:26am
So much talk about the dry ice cars I'll post photos here also. To let any other viewers see the cars. And see what is being spoken of.
frank
First a Santa Fe Dry Ice car by Railway Models. A wood and paper car with unique cast metal trucks.


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 3rd, 2013, 7:29am
My other Dry Ice car is by Laconnia Models.
It is the Matheson Dry Ice Car. A wood model with metal foil, printed sides.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 3rd, 2013, 7:46am
A kit car in all plastic was also made by Trainminature in a all wood reefer car.
* It is the Mathieson Carbon Dioxide Ice car


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by EM-1 on Oct 3rd, 2013, 8:03am

on 10/03/13 at 07:26:57, toptrain wrote:
So much talk about the dry ice cars I'll post photos here also. To let any other viewers see the cars. And see what is being spoken of.
frank
First a Santa Fe Dry Ice car by Railway Models. A wood and paper car with unique cast metal trucks.


Frank,
INTERESTING you would point out those trucks on this car! Those same trucks were a type that the B&O took on A LOT of their rolling stock! Allied trucks I do believe.....HO models of them, are difficult to find! Have any spares?

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by HwyHaulier on Oct 3rd, 2013, 8:23am
EM-1 - Frank - All -

Right! On the ATSF Car, it depicts the ALLIED "Full Cushion" truck design. Evidently, on prototype applications, it approved
for high speed service. Recall, the design seen on WWII "Troop Sleeper" Cars.

In the Photo (just above) of a MATHIESON MALX 5027 Car? Hard to believe the trucks used were legal for high speed service.
Probably were not acceptable?

...........................Vern.........................

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 3rd, 2013, 9:36am
Mathieson 5027 is a all wood reefer from a period of 1900 to 1930. I would guess that those trucks were OK for the start of the period.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by EM-1 on Oct 3rd, 2013, 9:31pm
Frank,
That's much appreciated! I didn't know if you would do such for me and I thank you for it!

Now to keep up luck like that finding more of them!  ;D

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 5th, 2013, 8:15am
John, so far all I found is one of the kits that I started to assemble the trucks on, and removed the set from the Santa Fe Dry ice car. So at the point I have 2 sets of the trucks. one die cast and one plastic. and the gilbert trailing truck.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by TAB on Oct 5th, 2013, 12:32pm
Gentlemen....here's a source for the express trucks mentioned above for the dry ice cars.

The first picture is a B&O truck and the second an Allied. Both are available from Bethelem Car Works, a link to whose web site is below the photos.


http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj151/cnjfan/BampOTrucks_zpsc4ae9603.jpg


http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj151/cnjfan/AlliedTrucks_zps7c06e626.jpg


http://www.bethlehemcarworks.com/


.....hope this is of some help......Tom

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by EM-1 on Oct 6th, 2013, 8:57am
Tom,
Thanks for the link!!!! THOSE are nice!

Frank,
Thanks tho! I appreciate it!

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 6th, 2013, 11:20am
A maintaince of the way Engineering tool car made by TRUE SCALE.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by EM-1 on Oct 6th, 2013, 2:07pm
Frank,
That's a NICE one! One of those you offered to me? I'm interested, in any MOW cars, just shells if I have too! (I got plenty, to build them up with!)

Let me know!

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 6th, 2013, 5:57pm
I sent the info
frank


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 15th, 2013, 6:39pm
Here is the True Scale MOW bunk car.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Oct 25th, 2013, 8:27am
This is the true Scale commissary car. The little workers got to eat.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Nov 27th, 2013, 6:55pm
Another True Scale MofW car the Harts gondola.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Nov 27th, 2013, 6:59pm
A fifth MofW car in this true Scale line is a flat car. it is not a good photo but all I have right now.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by EM-1 on Nov 27th, 2013, 11:51pm

on 11/27/13 at 18:55:10, toptrain wrote:
Another True Scale MofW car the Harts gondola.
frank


Frank,
This is what you were talkin' about over the phone!!! LOL

Interesting car. the Harts Gondola.....didn't they have like "trap doors" or something under the bottom of them? (Trying to figure this one out a bit as I've found it quite interesting.....

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Nov 28th, 2013, 10:44am

on 11/27/13 at 23:51:54, EM-1 wrote:
Frank,
This is what you were talkin' about over the phone!!! LOL

Interesting car. the Harts Gondola.....didn't they have like "trap doors" or something under the bottom of them? (Trying to figure this one out a bit as I've found it quite interesting.....

JOHN first Happy THANKSGIVING DAY !!
Now what I was talking about is the 5 Maintenance of Way cars in the last 5 posts. the drivers your tender, and whatever else we spoke of.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by EM-1 on Nov 29th, 2013, 12:21am

on 11/28/13 at 10:44:54, toptrain wrote:
JOHN first Happy THANKSGIVING DAY !!
Now what I was talking about is the 5 Maintenance of Way cars in the last 5 posts. the drivers your tender, and whatever else we spoke of.
frank


Frank,
I have to look through to see what I may have for drivers for the 4-4-2.....The Tender I have when I can get pictures of it for you to see..... Its painted...Black, un-sure of the paints condition at this point.

Anything else we were talking about that you needed/wanted? Let me know!

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Dec 2nd, 2013, 10:24pm
  Here is a late 1930's to late 40's Gilbert Sinclair tank car. It is all die cast metal. It is #116. It still has the original couplers. these I will change.
frank


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Dec 18th, 2013, 8:45am
Lets go back to 1976 when this car came out with 14 others, to make a set celebrating the beginning of Our Country. It is the only one that has no history from 1776 and the Revolutionary War period. Trainminature released cars for each of the 13 original Colonies a car for old Williamsburg VA, and one for the District of Columbia.
Here is the District Of Columbia, Bi-Centennial Car. I have no idea why this car is a part of that set.
frank


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Dec 25th, 2013, 9:48am
Here is the other Bi Centennial car that was a non original colony car.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Dec 31st, 2013, 11:06am
** Time for a flat with trailer load made by Ulrich. A Southern Pacific trailer.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Dec 31st, 2013, 11:00pm
It seems that the Ulrich SP flat with trailer has found a friend.


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jan 1st, 2014, 10:01am
***  HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!  ***


Here is a very old Varney Reefer. Illinois Central. A all metal bodied car with the original wood car bottom. This is how they were first made. A picture in the 1950 catalog of the " Model RR Equipment Co." on page 40 shows the exact same car. Then speaks of it a being as very new release from Varney.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jan 3rd, 2014, 9:34am
** Here is the other IC reefer that can be partially seen. It is a old Athearn/Globe all metal reefer. You can it needs a few parts and some cleaning up.
frank


V-148

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Jan 14th, 2014, 9:02am
A Budweiser Beer car of the good old days. Recently acquired and in need of new ice hatches this car cleaned up well and runs good also. It was made by Train Miniature.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Feb 15th, 2014, 11:28am
I have done some work and indexed all photos in this topic and added it to post 1. Now people finding this topic and more easily find the info posted here.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Feb 15th, 2014, 5:47pm
* Gilbert NYC outside braced operating box car #33819.
frank


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's
Post by toptrain on Feb 16th, 2014, 9:14am
Here is a Gilbert ( American Flyer ) # 502 MKT, stock car. The previous one is a NYC outside braced wood box car. Gilbert called it a Hay ejector car. The hay bales looked like wood crates. To me this MKT no 502 is a stock car, and no 33819 is a OB box car. I have 3 of the OB box cars. Wabash in blue, Great Northern in Red, and NYC in green ( Jade Green). These were at a time the Railroads mentioned corporate color.

frank



Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 17th, 2014, 10:12am
* Here is a car I got back in January at a Greenburg train show.
* The Globe to Bowser, 50', double door , round roof, Auto and furniture car.
mine is ; Seaboard Railway # 10038. it is of sheet metal construction, all metal except for the floor which is wood. I think ACL modelers will like the use of "The Orange Blossom Special" reference used in the printing on the cars sides.
* You can see to the right of the car another of the same construction. It is SR 10096. A second of the same type. Time has not been so kind to it as 10038.
The roof walk is there but bent up between the fastening points. Also some detail is missing.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by HwyHaulier on Feb 18th, 2014, 8:41am
Frank -

Great find! We are all agreed, are we not, "ORANGE BLOSSOM SPECIAL" was a Seasonal, Premier schedule on SEABOARD, yes?
Out of Winter Season, equipment known to have run on other lines, Summer Season schedules.

...........................Vern...............................

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 18th, 2014, 6:55pm
Vern I didn't know that the the name is a seasonal name.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Feb 18th, 2014, 8:25pm


That is a nice car. Wouldn't mind traveling to Florida by SAL Ry.

Talk about your traveling, she's the fastest train on the line..

It's that Orange Blossom Special , rollin down the Seaboard line !

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Feb 18th, 2014, 8:29pm
Frank - you mentioned that "Seaboard Railway # 10038. it is of sheet metal construction, all metal except for the floor which is wood."

I haven't seen many with metal sides and wood floors. Would you know what companies made them this way and what years?

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 20th, 2014, 8:22pm

on 02/18/14 at 20:29:05, NEFAN wrote:
Frank - you mentioned that "Seaboard Railway # 10038. it is of sheet metal construction, all metal except for the floor which is wood."

I haven't seen many with metal sides and wood floors. Would you know what companies made them this way and what years?


If you are familiar with the old Globe line of HO kits. They had 40' and 50' boxcars also. the line went to Athearn, then Menzies, then Bowser. I don't know if Bowser is still making the cars now.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by Henry on Mar 22nd, 2014, 11:38am
I think all of them are interesting!

Henry

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Mar 31st, 2014, 1:32pm
Here is a real odd old tank car kit with the tank made of plastic. It looks like it had 5 or 7 pieces to the tank. There is a wood flat car for it to mount to.
I don't know who made the kit. I would guess !950's or 60's.* The recording marks are BFIX 539.
* "The Borden's Milk Tank Car"
frank


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Apr 17th, 2014, 9:22pm
Reply 162.
Here is a very nice old all wood kit built up For Tivoli Beer. The Western Aristocrat of Beer.
Frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Oct 10th, 2014, 8:42am
Varney 40' box car old all metal car. ATSF 275161.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Oct 10th, 2014, 9:10am
 Silver Streak, tank car, Texaco, tank is wood with metallic embossed paper sides. All else is cast metal, including tank ends and tank dome.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Oct 16th, 2014, 7:31am
*** Silver Streak Tank Car.
** Mathieson Alkali Works
* GATX 1040. This is recording marks for " The General American Tank Co.
* Only 5 different tank cars were made by Silver Streak. The previous post is the TEXACO tank car. The tank on all these cars is made with a wood core. Metal covered paper, printed and with detail embossed into it cover the wood center. The tank has stamped metal ends, and a cast metal dome. All other parts are made of cast metal.
frank
V-3201

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Oct 21st, 2014, 9:08am
Here is another silver Streak tank car. This one in SHELL Gas. SCMX 519.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Oct 22nd, 2014, 8:01pm
A Silver Streak tank car. A forth silver one. They only made 5 different tank cars. This one is " Continental Oil Co ".or CONOCO !
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Oct 22nd, 2014, 8:04pm
A Silver Streak tank car. The fifth and last different one they made. The only black tank car they made. " North American Tank Car Co ".
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Nov 11th, 2014, 7:58am
** In the 50's 60's imported from Japan was a line of locomotives, passenger cars, freight cars, buildings, and accessories in HO scale. The company was International Model Corp. Here is a 50' Texaco Tank car. It is of mixes materials. A wood tank covered by a metallic paper. metal end caps, dome, and a metal frame. I got it unassembled.
frank


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Nov 23rd, 2014, 6:01pm
post 170
Tank cars from this older time are very interesting due to the diversity in their manufacturing methods and material used. I'd like to do something a little different here. In speaking of the old Mantua line of tank cars, I'll tell you about the 3 already done and there location here in this topic. Going back to reply 21 in section 2, there I posted the first one. One of the nicest made, Quaker State Oil. After that in reply 56, section 3, I posted the Gulf oil tank car. A third in reply 111, section 6, is the Shell Oil tank car. These were not the only one made that I have. In black, mantua also did Sinclair, Valvoline, and think, think, think. Penn-Drake oil. I'll post these three in a row right here.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Nov 23rd, 2014, 6:04pm
My favorite of the three is Valvoline. This is far from a familiar name brand.
Frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Nov 23rd, 2014, 6:15pm
** Here the second is Sinclair. I have 2 of these and don't know off hand where to find a photo of the first one I got. This one I recently have gotten.
It is a not in real good shape but does show the lettering alright. I'll replace it when I find the other better car photo.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Nov 23rd, 2014, 6:23pm
Here is the third one, and the one with the most unheard of name brand.
" Penn Drake Oil." This is very different way of print a company logo. It uses no capitol letters, only small case lettering in name.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Nov 23rd, 2014, 6:48pm
here it is hard to get someone to place one post in the forums. This is my 5th post today in this topic. Four with photos. I know people read these. I guess they just don't like them.

So I don't split up the Mantua tank cars here is the last one I have.
"Republic Oil Co." CPOX 8005.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 4th, 2014, 6:02pm
Now just like the mantua tank cars, I'll do the Varney tank cars. Some may be Life-Like for they are basically the same car. Those already posted here are; All Varney tank cars listed here and those after are plastic.
Reply 99, Texaco, 6305.
Reply 100, Texaco, 6305, a welded tank type no rivets or seams. Varney tank.
Reply 101, 7204.
This first of this group of five is.

Diamazine, SHPX 4611, black.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 4th, 2014, 6:22pm
The second in a group of 5 is;
Dow Chemical Co. GATX 62432, dark blue. ? Life Like tank.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 4th, 2014, 6:27pm
The 3rd in this group of 5 is;
BECCO, Hydrogen Peroxide, BECX 8914, silver. Varney tank.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 4th, 2014, 6:30pm
* The 4th in this group of 5 is;
Koppers Chemical Co, Chemicals and Plastics, KPCX 2103, red. Varney tank.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 4th, 2014, 6:32pm
* The 5th of this group of 5 is;
Petro-Tex, SHPX 2142, silver. Varney tank.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Dec 6th, 2014, 4:09pm
Interesting cars Frank. I think I remember seeing a Koppers chemical tank car somewhere in the past.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 11th, 2014, 7:58am

on 12/06/14 at 16:09:51, NEFAN wrote:
Interesting cars Frank. I think I remember seeing a Koppers chemical tank car somewhere in the past.


The Koppers cars I have are made by Gilbert and Varney. There is even a Varney one made for sale by Gilbert. Varney's are red. Gilbert's are black.

frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 11th, 2014, 8:07am
I went back and read the index of cars on post one and I haven't posted any photos of the 2 Gilbert, Koppers, tank cars yet. Only the recent reply 178 for the Varney red one. I'll have to do something about that.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 11th, 2014, 8:20am
*** Here is the Gilbert Koppers tank car. It is a early one with the 3 digit number 518. This is a Varney car made for sale by Gilbert. The Gilbert is a larger car, with a longer tank frame .
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 11th, 2014, 8:26am
*** This is Gilbert number 33518 Koppers Chemical tank car. This later car and is a Gilbert car. Cars types with both numbers were sold by Gilbert using their car and the Varney car. So you can find a #518 in a Gilbert car and a 33518 in a Varney car.
frank


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by HwyHaulier on Dec 13th, 2014, 4:48pm
Frank - Lodge Members -

Just to pass along that it is great to see your posts in the thread. Reminds of ages back trips to local, well stocked hobby shops.
Haven't seen much of these replicas in ages...

BTW. Years back, picked up (sadly only one) an apparently VARNEY Covered Hopper, 40 foot. Very nice tooling, and a good product.
It either a Portland Cement or dry bulk Fertilizer Car. Have not seen more recent use of the tooling. It was a good piece, while it lasted...

............................Vern...........................

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 13th, 2014, 7:02pm

on 12/13/14 at 16:48:09, HwyHaulier wrote:
Frank - Lodge Members -

Just to pass along that it is great to see your posts in the thread. Reminds of ages back trips to local, well stocked hobby shops.
Haven't seen much of these replicas in ages...

BTW. Years back, picked up (sadly only one) an apparently VARNEY Covered Hopper, 40 foot. Very nice tooling, and a good product.
It either a Portland Cement or dry bulk Fertilizer Car. Have not seen more recent use of the tooling. It was a good piece, while it lasted...

............................Vern...........................


** Vern nice to hear from you again. I too really like these old cars. Still see many at train shows. I only posted the Koppers in response to a reply posted. I still want to get the rest of the Varney tank cars posted. After that through popular demand on one post. Yours ! I'll dig up my Varney 2 bay hoppers and post the ones I haven't done already. In checking the index it seems I haven't posted any as of yet. I know I have between 8 and 12 of just covered hoppers. Then a bunch of open hoppers of the same type and size. It will take a lot of posts to get this info out and listed here.
* I want to get going on my next Camelback locomotive. For that I will need a lot of time. I haven't done a 2-6-0, 4-6-0, 0-8-0 or 2-8-0 as of yet. The 2-6-0 will need a entirely scratch built body like the LVRR 4-4-0c I made.
Got a lot to think about.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 15th, 2014, 12:59pm
**  Another Varney tank car:
*   Carbide and Carbon Chemicals, GATX 648.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 15th, 2014, 1:01pm
** Another Varney tank car:
*   American Car & Foundry Co. GATX 1005.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 15th, 2014, 1:03pm
** Another Varney tank car.
*   American Car & Foundry Co. GATX 1010

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 16th, 2014, 6:27am
** Still another Varney tank car.
* AT&SF 95007. A model of a tank car the Santa-Fe was leasing from GATC.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 16th, 2014, 6:32am
Another Varney tank car lettered for Gulf Oil Co.in blue. I have 3 of them with different recording numbers.
GULF, GRCX 3882. ( bad photo recording letters may be wrong.)
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 19th, 2014, 6:07am
I found 5 more Varney tank cars I haven't posted yet so to keep them together I post a couple this morning and the other 3 latter in the evening.

Here is the first Union Carbide CCDX 501
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 19th, 2014, 6:10am
The other this morning is Goodyear UTLX 25145
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 19th, 2014, 6:13am
They are going in quickly so here is another one.
American Car and Foundry leas tank car UTLX 214.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 19th, 2014, 6:16am
Still 2 more.
SINCLAIR, SDRX 38001
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 19th, 2014, 6:18am
This is the fifth one.
"HUSTON" SHPX 2142 in white.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Dec 26th, 2014, 10:52am
Interesting cars. Years ago even the tank cars had different schemes which made train watching enjoyable. Now mainly black and tough to know the owner. I have seen the Union Carbide car before , that is a nice one.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Dec 26th, 2014, 11:01am

on 03/31/14 at 13:32:41, toptrain wrote:
Here is a real odd old tank car kit with the tank made of plastic. It looks like it had 5 or 7 pieces to the tank. There is a wood flat car for it to mount to.
I don't know who made the kit. I would guess !950's or 60's.* The recording marks are BFIX 539.
* "The Borden's Milk Tank Car"
frank

These are some of my favorite. They not only hauled milk, but also chemicals later on.

This is the F&C version that I have painted in the red scheme. I have been collecting cars for a milk train that I am working on. This one REALLY stands out.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 6th, 2015, 1:39pm
** Here is my Red Ball Borden's milk car in white to go with NEFAN's red one.
frank


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 12th, 2015, 10:04am
* A page from a Varney catalog flier that came with a train set. There may have been no complete catalog ever published by Varney. I am not sure. I only have incomplete ones from different times. They published catalogs of there current production.
* On this page is the covered hoppers listed in this catalog flier.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by Henry on Feb 12th, 2015, 12:08pm
I have the limit set to 500kb in the forum preferences. It was raised from 300kb so people could post larger maps. I haven't been able to find any references to 300kb in the code yet, but I'll keep looking. Was the problem on straight first posting or was it from editing an existing post? The code for modifying a post is in a different place.

I had just successfully attached a bloated 459kb image to this post, but it wasn't an old car so I removed it.

Henry

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by Henry on Feb 12th, 2015, 3:38pm
Going through some logs I found two upload attempts that were 3,610,287 bytes at 08:58:08 and 08:59:42 this morning. Both appear to have been to this thread. 3,610,287 bytes is more than ten times 300kb and more than seven times the 500kb file size limit. Is it possible that you somehow miscalculated the file size?

I'll keep looking for that 300kb notice, but I don't think it has anything to do with any actual enforced upload limit.

Henry

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by Henry on Feb 12th, 2015, 3:42pm
Could it be that photos have to be less than 300kb to be displayed within the thread without having to be clicked upon? That's the only thing I can find that refers to 300kb.

"$maxisize = 300000"
"Image exceeds Forum display limit of $maxisize bytes."

I have spent quite a while looking into this and that's all I have come up with so far.

Henry

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 13th, 2015, 12:45pm
* Back in Dec 13 2014 reply 185, Vern ( HwyHaulier) expressed a interest in the Varney covered hoppers of the 1960's. I to have always liked them also. I was just finishing up a run of posts on the Varney tank cars and said once they were done Ide do some covered hoppers.
* This post is not the intended first one of that series on covered hoppers for my paragraphs were longer and with better information. For what ever reason lost by a stumble in this forums image posting protocols.
Whatever, here is the first of the Varney covered hoppers.
frank

These are for you Vern.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by Henry on Feb 13th, 2015, 1:16pm
Baloney? Are you calling me a liar after I spent all that time looking into the issue and provided the most accurate assessment of the situation that I can?

FYI, that image you just posted is only 182,774 bytes, 178.49 kilobytes.

I am sorry you wasted time writing two paragraphs, but I have found no evidence that it was the forum's fault.

Henry

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by HwyHaulier on Feb 13th, 2015, 2:21pm
Frank - Henry - Lodge Members -

Tech wrangling aside... In you writer's earlier, comment about the nominally 40' hopper types of a long ago time.
The view of N&W 70163 Car appreciated. By the detail of it, appears to be a dry bulker of the era...

......................Vern......................

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 13th, 2015, 4:16pm
FIRST. HENRY about your question the answer is no.

* Here is another post for Vern on Varney Covered hoppers. Did you notice the page I posted with the Varney catalog flier. Varney considered a covered hopper one that had a coal load as well as cement cover. I thought that even with a coal load they would have been open hoppers and the covered ones had the hinged doors a-top the cars.

* My favorite one is the Pennsylvania RR.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 13th, 2015, 4:20pm
* Here is a Varney C&O covered hopper. I can see a need for new photos. When I make them I'll just edit these posts. I think this numbered C&O covered hopper is the Varney made for Penn Line car.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by HwyHaulier on Feb 14th, 2015, 7:29am
Frank - Henry - Lodge Members -

Hey There! Many Thanks! For the time, Varney delivered some really good work on the replica of the Hopper Car... Indeed!
Back then, the endless Coal Road trains which used these as stock in trade for the 'King Coal' work...

The covered hoppers were another matter. Your writer with perception the 'covered' ones in loading for dry Portland Cement,
and dry Fertilizer. Perhaps some other dry commodities (plastic pellets?). The Portland Cement trade a very active market
(we have some threads here about why it susceptible to diversion to highway).

Your writer never bought a large group of the Varney Cars. In any case, paint them grey, and apply the billboard SEABOARD
marks, and there you go! On SAL, guess there may have been open ones hauling Phosphates from Florida origins. Covered
cars in Cement service?

........................Vern........................

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 15th, 2015, 9:46am
* Vern now you got me interested in sharing photos of my Varney covered hoppers. Many more are coming. Even some that are custom finished. I hope you like them.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by HwyHaulier on Feb 15th, 2015, 10:01am
Frank - Lodge Members -

Many Thanks! Yep! The VARNEY tooling was quite good, yes? This Old Coot near to died with your copy of the VARNEY Catalog.
All one could buy of those hoppers at $1.49 per the copy. Geez! What would they cost today, at current ridiculous prices? And we
wonder why we can't find new recruits to the hobby?

MISC & BTW. Very much enjoyed seeing your work on the 'one of a kind' RDG 4-4-4. Maybe you could have done more like the 'as
delivered'? Early on, it painted in colors, so to run the Atlantic City Express schedules of the time? Your writer not complaining, you
understand...

...........................Vern.......................

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 15th, 2015, 4:05pm

on 02/15/15 at 10:01:26, HwyHaulier wrote:
Frank - Lodge Members -

Many Thanks! Yep! The VARNEY tooling was quite good, yes? This Old Coot near to died with your copy of the VARNEY Catalog.
All one could buy of those hoppers at $1.49 per the copy. Geez! What would they cost today, at current ridiculous prices? And we
wonder why we can't find new recruits to the hobby?

MISC & BTW. Very much enjoyed seeing your work on the 'one of a kind' RDG 4-4-4. Maybe you could have done more like the 'as
delivered'? Early on, it painted in colors, so to run the Atlantic City Express schedules of the time? Your writer not complaining, you
understand...

...........................Vern.......................


** Vern that is exactly how I modeled the Reading type 4-4-4. It was a P7 as built Mantua. Mine became the reading built, 4-4-4 as run AC to Philly.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 15th, 2015, 4:15pm
***  here is the Varney Nickel Plate covered hopper.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 15th, 2015, 4:17pm
** Here is another all gray covered Hopper by Varney. It is the B&O version.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 15th, 2015, 4:29pm
** another all grey covered hopper by Varney is the NYC. It also came with a black cover and ladders.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 15th, 2015, 4:32pm
*** Here is the nicest Varney covered hopper I have with a custom paint and lettering applied.
* This is a Shippers Express 2 bay hopper #25501 leased to Mathieson.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 15th, 2015, 4:39pm
Another all black covered hopper by Varney is the FMC Soda Ash car .
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by HwyHaulier on Feb 15th, 2015, 5:56pm
Frank - Lodge Members -

Many Thanks! The VARNEY item was surely a handy design. Run it 'open' as a Coal Service Car. Or, covered so to carry Portland Cement,
and other dry bulk.

With my own interest in what was "...other Baltimore Class 1 Line...", seems to me Prince had Photos which included the SEABOARD
Covered Hoppers. In a model, it works well. See the four mid 'panels' in the car side? On SAL, with the large letters, displayed?

                        SE     AB     OA     RD     (Best could be done here with text)

...........................Vern........................

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 17th, 2015, 10:15am
Dow  Polyethylean  Covered hopper. by Varney and life-like.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 17th, 2015, 10:18am
A Varney covered hopper made by special order for E&H Model Hobby shop.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 17th, 2015, 10:21am
** Another Varney life-like covered hopper custom painted and lettered for the Delaware and Hudson Railroad. 94079.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Feb 17th, 2015, 11:14am
I like the industry labeled cars. They add variety and color vs. the standard RR owned cars. Thanks for posting the Varney ad.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by HwyHaulier on Feb 17th, 2015, 1:00pm
Frank - Lodge Members -

A gift that keeps on giving? The HOPPER still available, and as low as $9.99 each.
Link below from LIFE-LIKE site...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/251418889280


.........................Vern.....................

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 18th, 2015, 12:21pm
Well Vern Still got a few more coming.
frank.

Grace,Davison Covered Hopper by Varney and Life-Like.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 18th, 2015, 12:24pm
** Delaware and Hudson RR. life-Like.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 18th, 2015, 12:26pm
** Varney Virginian. Marx also made a similar car in two shades of brown.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 18th, 2015, 12:29pm
*** ERIE RR. by Life-Like.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 18th, 2015, 12:36pm
** Another Life-Like hopper the red B&O lettered the same as a black B&O one.
Maybe a open hopper a top was put on.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 18th, 2015, 12:39pm
** Here is another New York Central RR covered hopper.
frank
index updated.

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Mar 18th, 2015, 9:14am
* Getting over to the some 30's and 40's thrown in again here are 2 cabooses that sometimes get confused. Mantua's very old brass 4 window model that goes way back, and the International Model Products similar caboose. Just posting photos and not complete descriptions.
* It is always easier to point out differences once they are side by side. But to have one for awhile and see what you think is another at a show years latter. I thought I had just another Mantua caboose.
* Here is the Mantua one :
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Mar 18th, 2015, 9:21am
* This is the international IMP caboose of the same time period. A same thing of each is the way a screw goes through the floor up and through the cupola to a nut that is a lantern, holding the whole car together.
* When I looked up IMP products in a catalog at HOseeker I found this caboose with the same UP paint scheme. Mine must be a ready to run completely finished model.
* The IMP caboose.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Mar 19th, 2015, 4:09pm
* Here is the other side of the International Model Products IMP 3 window caboose. IMP makes a 5 window, and a 2 window CNJ caboose also. I only have the 3 window.
frank


Title: Re: Old freight car kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Mar 29th, 2015, 10:11am
Well I have gone through my index listing of 232 replay that I keep up and found out that here in this thread of posts on old HO car kits that my title leaves no room for the old Marx, Lionel, Gilbert, Fleischmann, Penn Line, Revell and others like HObbyline that made there best cars only in ready to run in sets. It is because I said kits in the topic title. Now I hope it doesn't upset anyone but I am going to edit the title. I will read and listen to any complaints. But understand I have very little anymore to offer in the kits only category and don't want this topic to die. I want to add to this topic more photos, info, and possibly give other here a spot for stories from their childhood.
* Reason is that certain manufactures of this time made only ready to run cars. these are the manufactures we remember the most. I have not intentionally posted photos and info on cars that were never made as kits, but some I have unintentionally. These cars do fit the era nicely. So I will broaden the scope of the topic by editing the title. Keeping this large topic intact.
* Now even more of the, especially the late 1950's and 1960s and the HO trains made then can added to this I think interesting topic. So many modelers started in this hobby because of train sets and cars given as presents at Christmas and on their birthday.
* Now you'll see even more of the HO trains that broadened the eyes and smiles on our faces as children.
toptrain


Title: Re: Old freight cars and kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Mar 29th, 2015, 11:12am
Now HObbyline made kits and ready to run in sets during a short period of time in the late 1950's. They produced inexpensive HO trains made of plastic. There parent company John English made HO trains of Die cast construction. Now even thought they made trains for only a few years, it is not to hard to find their products. HObbyline made car kits I think always came unpainted. The plastic parts were molded in color, so once assembled produced a colorful model. Lettering in the kit was added by the modeler by decals provided with the kit. In their trains set very few cars came with decals applied but lettering silk screened or stamped on the car. All came in the sets ready to run with nothing to apply. Some cars in the sets like the TP&W box car had the car color made in the plastic. The lettering either stamped on or silkscreened, but the railroad logo was a decal applied by the manufacture. That is  my first HObbyline car posted here in Reply 67 .
* toptrain

Title: Re: Old freight cars and kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by HwyHaulier on Mar 29th, 2015, 11:19am
Frank - Lodge Members -

Concur. Think you are right with this one. As you note, it will keep this more of a generic topic, and therefore of more
interest. Agree. Over the years, there much good "RTR" on the market...

Bringing the thinking forward, what ever do we get from Walthers features in last few years? It very heavily all 'RTR'...

...............................Vern..............................

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Post by toptrain on Mar 29th, 2015, 11:32am
Thanks Vern. I really want to make the change and show all that I can of the many cars that when train people think of HO trains, they come to mind.
What do you think of my RTR HObbyline car. The TP&W box car. To bad the decal logo didn't survive. It is understandable knowing that this cars was made before 1957 and no overspray, dull coat or gloss coat was ever applied to the decal to seal it.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight cars and kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by HwyHaulier on Mar 30th, 2015, 1:19pm
Frank - Lodge Members -

The TP&W 6014 a great find. Rather the shame with the aging and flaking of the decals.
Not much you could do with that...

..........................Vern......................

Title: Re: Old freight cars and kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Apr 2nd, 2015, 6:02pm
Well Vern to bad I couldn't find replacement decals.
Now I need to move some HObbyline cars to another folder for posting.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight cars and kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Apr 8th, 2015, 8:34am
The second HObbyline box car is DL&W. "Lackawanna, Rout of the Phoebe Snow". # 51933. You can see no decals were used on this car. Just screen printed.

Title: Re: Old freight cars and kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Apr 8th, 2015, 8:42am
The third HObbyline box car is the " Frisco" " Southeast...Southwest Ship it on the Frisco !" # SL-SF 17260.

Title: Re: Old freight cars and kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Apr 13th, 2015, 10:02am
** Next HObbyline box car is GAEX, General American car company. GAEX 109029. Like the Frisco box car before it, both have the original HObbyline couplers.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight cars and kits from the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Apr 13th, 2015, 10:31am
** Well Vern we got a few HObbyline boxcars in place. To get back to what you said about Walters and their Ready to run lines. I received a present on my last birthday of a Walters car and a Bowser car. The Bowser a 2 bay CNJ open hopper was a kit, and the Walters, a ready to run, 10,000 gallon tank car the size of the Varney one's I posted here came in a very nice black finish, with Shell lettering. I wanted to replace the couplers with the old X2f for that is what I use. I couldn't. The assembling company glued the plastic parts together and the car would not come apart. About the only thing I could remove was the trucks. So if the present couplers either break or stop working I have to cut open the coupler boxes to replace couplers. O well another improvement by walters.
frank

edit; index updated to here in first post on this topic for however wishes to read about all 13 pages of reply's and what is posted in them .

Title: Re: Old freight cars of the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Apr 21st, 2015, 9:55am
**   Having at least 3 more box cars by HObbyline to post I'll get on with the next one.
*  The is one that only uses screen printing.
*  "The Nickel Plate Road",  NKP 28127.

Title: Re: Old freight cars of the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Apr 26th, 2015, 5:41pm
* Well I am looking forward to the Franklin NJ train show at the old armory, it is off of Rt 23. It is a week from today on May 3 2015. Maybe I'll find some more old cars to post here.
* Now todays post is another HObbyline box car. This one is a New Haven Box.
**     NH 36406.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight cars of the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 7th, 2015, 7:23am
** One of the most colorful HObbyline box cars is the RUTLAND, Number 104.
frank

index updated to here.

Title: Re: Old freight cars of the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 12th, 2015, 10:02am
My last HObbyline box car. Great Northern, GN #2506 .

Title: Re: Old freight cars of the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 17th, 2015, 8:20am
** My next cars are to be some Globe Tank cars.
* Globe and Athearn cars. They produced a line of cars all metal. Back in 1950 a catalog which I have was made by "The Model R.R. Equipment Corp.". A wonderful catalog in which TT, HO, OO, S and O gauge trains of this time are cataloged with good information and some photos. Their cars line car be seen listed here with in this catalog. This catalog can be viewed in hoseeker site on line.
* At the Allentown train show last Saturday I picked up 5 of these Athearn and Globe tank cars. Two three domes ones and three single dome ones. In 3 dome both Athearn are Deep-Rock DRX 2154 and Union Tank Line Co. UTLX 206. In single dome; Athearn Magnolia MPCX 544,Globe Shell SCCX 1158, and Sinclair SDRX 7143. Four of these are new to me and I didn't have before. Deep Rock, Union, Shell and Sinclair. I have a few other besides the one mentioned here. The only ones I have posted here are in Reply 4 a undecorated car, Atlas reply 12, Shippers Express 26, Phillips 66 reply 27, Timpkin 37, Mobilgas 57 and 58, Southern Pacific 92, and Mobilgas again 106. In the next few days I will post the new to me four cars here.
frank
PS here is a photo in which the 2 Globe , 3 Athearn, 2 Varney, 1 Gilbert cars are seen. This is taken once I got the cars home, and before I worked on them.


Title: Re: Old freight cars of the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 18th, 2015, 6:08pm
*** The Globe Sinclair in black paint silver lettering. Seen in last previous reply before new trucks and couplers applied.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight cars of the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 18th, 2015, 6:09pm
*** The Globe yellow Shell. single dome tank car. SCCX 1158. Another of the cars pictures in previous post. New trucks and couplers get this car back on the tracks.

frank

Edit 6-4-2015;
Tom this is a matching car to your Globe, Shell SCCX 1150 you posted a photo in reply 108 and 112 here in this topic. It is the same car with a different road number. I hope you find and enjoy the photo of this twin to your Shell tank car.
frank

Title: Re: Old freight cars of the 50's and 60's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 18th, 2015, 6:11pm
*** The old Athearn all metal Union Tank Line Corporation, three dome, all metal tank car. UTLX 206. A third car from that before and after. All this needed was new couplers to allow it to run with my trains. In looking through my photos I found another photo of this car with a different number UTLX 267. The date of the photo is 07-24-2013. So somewhere in a box someplace may still be a second Athearn 3 dome Union Tank line car.
frank


Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 23rd, 2015, 8:01am
As to getting those cars back on tracks. The silver Sinclair by Varney 38000 only need a cleanup, trucks, and couplers. It is back on the tracks and a photo will be posted here once done.
frank

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 23rd, 2015, 8:07am
** The Athearn 3 dome Deep Rock all metal tank car is being done now and need its new frame painted. It needed a frame replacement. Original frames are not aviable but I found a all cast metal frame in my parts box. The will keep the car all metal. I mounted couplers and coupler boxes, new trucks, I had a problem getting all the parts of car together, and mounted to the new frame .
* It is done now and ready to view.
A photo will be post here when made.
frank

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 23rd, 2015, 8:12am
** The Gilbert 517 Mobilgas, and the Varney Koppers tank car are in running condition and need no work. One of the Athearn all metal cars, Magnolia No MPCX 344, will be done at the same time with 2 other Magnolia cars, all with different road numbers. I am saving this post for a photo of the 3 Magnolia cars together.
* Here car MPCX 345 left and MPCX 349 right are seen. The third car MPCX 344, which is the one shown with the other 7 cars from the Allentown train show, isn't done yet. frame problems. 345, which I had already, still needs some handrail, and ladder work also.
Frank

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 23rd, 2015, 11:29am
* Another Athearn all metal tank car of the same type as some recently shown is the Crystal Car Line. Another 10,000 gallon car. I had 3 of these cars waiting to get some repairs and return them back to running on my tracks. Well all three are on the layout now. Here is CCLX 302. #'s. 305 and 306 are the other two.
frank

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 25th, 2015, 9:56am
*** Back On Jan 17 2015 at the Allentown train show I found this beat up Athearn COOP 10,000. gallon tank car. It is in very sad shape.

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 25th, 2015, 10:15am
** Because it is the only one I have of this road name I took it apart to clean and see what I can do with it. Here it is apart. You can see all the broken old parts and you my notice the missing parts.  I'll be hunting through old the old cars at train shows for replacement parts for this old Metal Athearn tank car.
frank

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 29th, 2015, 6:58am
This is a older photo of another Athearn 3 dome car taken back in 2013, UTLX 267. I guess I will be searching my boxes to find this old gem of a car. Maybe I'll get lucky and find it. Car UTLX 260 is in reply 250.
frank

edit index, updated to here 6-3-2015. at view 4265.

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 7th, 2015, 9:12am
*** Concerning Athearn 3 dome all metal tank car UTLX 267. It wound seem that that photo, in the previous reply, is all I have to remember it by. I still have 3 boxes full of stuff. That is pieces, bodies, tenders, and odds and ends to find and look through. I have a feeling that I tried to make repairs to it and making it worse, striped it for parts. The old Athearn metal frame had castings, tank saddles, that were falling apart. This may back a year ago, caused me to attempt a repair. I have located some parts from a Athearn 3 dome tank car, but not the tank shell. I still hope to find it. No such luck. Searched 3 stuff boxes. Nothing.
frank

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 7th, 2015, 10:27am
** Globe tank car Union Starch, Corn Syrup USTX 724. This car as can be seen has a broken frame. When I got this car, I also received a second car with a different road number. USTX 721. Yesterday I started rebuilding # 721. I'll next post my progress on this car.
frank

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 14th, 2015, 8:31am
Here is #721 reassembled with a replacement frame, trucks and couplers. The frame is a old Mantua one. Boiler band will be applied. I don't have the short walkways, and they could only be found on a old car. I'll be looking for them. Side hand rail needs to be worked on. This tank body is in much better condition than the other. Maybe more to come.
 I do like trying to bring back these old cars to running condition. It is sad that other replacement parts must be used or they will just sit a tray waiting for  parts, may be forever.. This car with its interesting company paint scheme will be good to see rolling around on a layout again, along with all the other old cars from the 1950's like the Mantua, Athearn, Globe, Silver Streak, Thomas and the like.
V-4389

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Jul 2nd, 2015, 10:28am
I think it is great that you spend the effort to restore these old cars. Part of the fun of going to the shows is the "hunt" for parts for restoration projects and new projects as well. - good looking car.

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 2nd, 2015, 11:54am
I like to see these old cars running around the layout in long trains. With some luck I get a few more this year.
frank

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Oct 11th, 2015, 7:43am
It has been awhile since my last post here in old cars. I have a very different older style tank car made by Red Ball. It is an owner used car. Monsanto Chemical car. I won't try to describe it and will just post a photo. As I said this car is of a different type.
Frank

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Oct 27th, 2015, 5:27pm
That is a very unique car Frank. I haven't seen anything like it.

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by Henry on Oct 27th, 2015, 5:47pm
It is a different kind of animal. It is almost like a cross between a butter dish milk car and a regular tank car.

Henry

Title: Re: model railroad freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by TAB on Oct 27th, 2015, 6:00pm
....these cars were designed for transporting acids....Tom

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Nov 9th, 2015, 9:42am
Frank - The flatcar with the two milk containers looks like an earlier version of the F&C kits in the 6900 series milk cars. The containers were filled with milk and attached to the flatcars for unloading onto trucks at the city terminals.  - early containerization...

Decals may be a challenge to find. I have seen some in partial kits at shows and on ebay. Too bad F&C won't supply decals. Microscale decals for milk cars do exist and you may be able to mix and match for the car. These flatcars were used by a number of dairies and you can always customize it for a fictional dairy company.

It is a nice kit and is somewhere on my list to acquire one for my milk trains.

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Nov 11th, 2015, 10:23am
Frank - these were only used to transport milk from the country dairy to the city processing plants. I don't believe that Breyers was a user. Most I have seen are Borden's dairy. The National Car Co lettering is pretty standard font, so maybe something close can be found for that lettering.

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Nov 13th, 2015, 3:38pm
Sounds good Frank. That Breyers logo will look very good on the white containers.

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 18th, 2016, 1:20pm
Marx made this Virginian open hopper in the early 1960. Unlike all others made by other manufactures that are black Athearn and Varney. They are made in  brown and red.

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Jan 18th, 2016, 6:01pm
I have the Varney in black. It also has slightly different lettering.

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 23rd, 2016, 9:24am
*** Today it is snowing here in Bayonne. It will be a big one. I may do a lot of posting today.
** Through this entire posting in this thread I have not posted trains made in HO scale by one of the oldest toy Manufacture of trains in the USA. The Louis Marx Company made a Line of HO trains, which fit in perfectly with the dating of this thread. For many years they made Christmas train sets for the Sears company. They also marketed their own trains set under their name. As a child there trains were very familiar to me. I'd like to say I will now post a few of them, but naaaaa ! There will be a bunch of them. I really like them!
** I'll start this manufactures list with a trainset made by them for Sears. This set has one of the most sought after cars made by Marx in HO scale. The Erie flat car with a Criss Craft Cruiser as a load. The boat with its mount was sold separately. I am missing the original load for the other Erie flat car. It was either 2 cars or 2 pickup trucks.
frank

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 24th, 2016, 3:15pm
V-4941
** The Locomotive used in the set is a Marx F3A New Haven in McGinnis colors with a matching caboose. The box car is a ATSF 40' box car with Sears added in place of the abbreviated road name and car number. These are the railroad's recording marks for the car.

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 24th, 2016, 3:20pm
** Here is a standard ATSF box car with its recording markings. SFRD 3281
frank

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 25th, 2016, 6:44am
** Another Marx box car is the "Boston and Main".
* Recording marks is "BM 77000".
frank

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 25th, 2016, 6:47am
The Next Marx box cars is Great Northern in green with recording marks;
" GN 11874".**  ( page 1, post 1, index updated 1-25-2016)
frank

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 25th, 2016, 3:39pm
My next Marx box car is another GN box. It has the same recording numbers and lettering just it is colored brown.



Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Jan 25th, 2016, 4:10pm
Interesting - I didn't know that SEARS had their name on the cars. I have seen an ERIE flatcar with two automobiles on it. Not sure if that was part of that great set you have there.

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 25th, 2016, 4:26pm
This car is another marx box car. New Haven RR. NH 40397.


Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by The Raritan Commuter on Jan 27th, 2016, 3:17pm
Heh, and to think these new-fangled plastic R-T-R kits were once the apex of the hobby...................

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 28th, 2016, 2:45pm
If your speaking about these Marx cars, they never were the Apex of anything. They looked good, were very affordable, and easy to keep running.

The next Marx car is a NYC Pacemaker box car with white lettering. NYC 174479. You can see the last owner painted the roof and ends black.
Frank

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 28th, 2016, 6:06pm
This Marx car is another box car. A second NYC Pacemaker car. This one is different because of the lighter gray used and the Black lettering.
frank

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 28th, 2016, 6:10pm
This doesn't end the Marx box cars I have in NYC. Marx also made a Early Bird box car in HO.
frank

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 10th, 2016, 7:14am
* sorry to interrupt the Marx cars being put in at this time.
* Last Saturday's flea market find. A DL&W bow(0pps) box car with a wood floor, wood sides and ends, and a wood roof. I'll call it a all wood DL&W box car!
* Its got to be old. 1950's or 1960's at least.
* It is in need of sliders for the doors. A break wheel, and couplers and pockets. That should complete this old box car.
frank

PS Does anyone notice the blue and yellow structure behind the station to the right. It is a temporary structure for the Centervilletoy train celebration built by the Louis Marx Company. Yep a big event for the little people with marching band and marching soldiers with flags and everything. A good time will be had by all. Traffic will be diverted around the west side of town. Around the deep central valley in the middle of Centerville.

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Apr 18th, 2016, 10:00pm
Well here is another old wood box car made from a kit way back in the 1950's.
I don't know who made but it has a very modern logo on it.

frank


Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by HwyHaulier on Apr 19th, 2016, 8:29am
Frank - Lodge Members -

This Car, and recalling old memories, has the look and "feel" of the AMBROID kits. At the time, though, can't recall any
of its box car kits with pre-painted sides and ends. So, this the product of another vendor?

The "GLOBE LINE" may recall shipper owned equipment of a Car Loader firm of the name. Overall, the styling captures
appearances in the 1890 - 1915 Era?

................................Vern................................

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Apr 19th, 2016, 5:36pm
I kind of remember Main Line models as being a producer of old all wood kits. Around 1950 AC Models, Ambroid, Model Masters, Model Hobbies, Red Ball, Silver Streak, Laconia, 20th Century, Ulrich, and Walters are listed in catalogs of that time. I wont be going to HOseeker to go through the catalogs there yet.
I spent some time yesterday and today on my CRR of NJ 4-4-2. Not a lot getting done.
frank

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 14th, 2016, 9:24am
** Finally, back to MARX Cars.
*  Another box car the Union Pacific UP 104436. Box car red.

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 14th, 2016, 9:36am
Now The Wells Fargo box car. WF 852. green with black door.
frank

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 14th, 2016, 9:41am
This next box car is different. It came with a battery powered set. A rib sided box. Northern Pacific Railroad, no number.
frank

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 14th, 2016, 9:46am
Now on to Gondola cars.
first is the Western Maryland Gondola. No Number! This was also a car that came in battery powered sets.
frank

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 14th, 2016, 9:50am
The second gondola is a C&O 36000. I have it in 3 colors. Black posted here, blue and red.
frank

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 14th, 2016, 9:52am
The next gondola is Southern Pacific 160149. It also comes in brown.
frank

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 14th, 2016, 9:55am
last gondola is Western Maryland, WM 54201. Car is red with black ends. Lettering is white. Western Maryland is printed with speed lettering.
frank


[indexed to here 6-14-2016]

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 14th, 2016, 10:00am
This is the 8th post I did today. I added 3 more box cars and 4 gondola cars Plus this reply. All cars are by Louis Marx toy company, in HO scale.
frank

More Marx cars to come ! 26' open Hoppers, 26' covered hoppers, 40' flat cars, Tank cars, cabooses, work cars, flat cars with loads- Light cars - ,boat, wood, pipes, and operating log dump car, animated box car.

Now the next car is a Marx 2 bay hopper. The red Virginian hopper was posted in reply 270. Here is the brown 2 bay Virginian hopper along side the red one
frank.

Title: Re: HO freight cars of the 1950's and 1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 16th, 2016, 12:42pm
This is the Marx Western Maryland 2 bay hopper.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Jun 16th, 2016, 4:41pm
Interesting, I know very little about Marx. Thanks for posting.

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by Norm_Anderson on Jun 16th, 2016, 9:44pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R131I6kZ8rM  ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Jun 17th, 2016, 3:47pm
nice - with apologies to Waylon and Willie.  ;)

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 18th, 2016, 7:19pm

on 06/16/16 at 16:41:43, NEFAN wrote:
Interesting, I know very little about Marx. Thanks for posting.

Well good, for there is a lot more to come. Also Great Marx videos. Got to get some Marx HO videos done.

Frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 15th, 2016, 7:20am
Marx Hopper, 2 bay, open, Lehigh Valley, black #LV 25000.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 15th, 2016, 7:23am
Lehigh Portland Cement Co., Covered 2 bay hopper, came gray, and blue, Number LPCX 109.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 15th, 2016, 7:26am
Marx covered 2 bay hopper, Huron Portland Cement, Red, Number HUCX 47.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 15th, 2016, 7:28am
Marx tank car, Sinclair, green , number SDRX 3827.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 15th, 2016, 7:32am
Marx tank car, Allstate. Fond in Sears sets. green or blue, number none.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 15th, 2016, 7:43am
Marx tank car, Rocket Fuel, white or red, different color platforms, Number X-415.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 15th, 2016, 7:45am
Marx tank car, Rocket fuel again. The red one ! X-415 also. jusy so you can see the color.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 15th, 2016, 8:00am
Marx tank car, Citi Service, number CSOX 2645.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 15th, 2016, 8:02am
Marx tank car, gray, number GATX 78450.
frank

Reply 301 T0 309 new added 7-15-16

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by Henry on Jul 15th, 2016, 11:55am
I don't think that orange/red and black #LV 25000 is prototypical, but it is a very cool looking HO model :)

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 16th, 2016, 7:10am
**  Next Marx HO car is Flat car NYC.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by Henry on Jul 16th, 2016, 12:41pm

on 07/16/16 at 07:10:38, toptrain wrote:
Henry ; the LV 2 bay hopper is one of the easiest to find at train shows. I have a few.


I have several postwar Lionel LV hoppers, but they are maroon. I have several in N scale also, but I don't think I have any in HO.

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 16th, 2016, 5:22pm
** The next car is another Flat car. Lehigh Valley. 10049
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by Henry on Jul 16th, 2016, 5:51pm
No thanks Frank, I know it has a good home right where it is!

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 18th, 2016, 5:45pm
** Next flat car is a Marx , IHCX 6130. load is missing.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 18th, 2016, 5:52pm
** Next is the Erie flat car. Also made to carry loads. None on this one. I have one that carries a truck trailer. it is in a set. Also have a flat with boat. I will post it here.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 18th, 2016, 5:58pm
Marx also made a all Metal, depressed center flat car. Here it is as Erie 2710 in yellow. Was a made to carry 2 large reels of cable. just the flat car.
frank

edit 10-12-16; This metal depressed center flat car also came in Black and Tuscan in the same number. Not sure what the load was. The yellow had cable reels.

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 18th, 2016, 6:09pm
 A operating log or pipe dump car. no load.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 18th, 2016, 6:10pm
Here is the operating log dump car with a log load.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 18th, 2016, 6:11pm
This is the Marx special all purpose beer delivery car. With it I can safely without shaking deliver a cold one to anywhere around the layout.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 18th, 2016, 6:13pm
Next is the flat car with generator.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 18th, 2016, 6:15pm
Next is the flat car with search light and generator.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 18th, 2016, 6:18pm
This is the Work Car with Crane. Monon, CIL 320.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 18th, 2016, 6:31pm
Another crane car. This one a NYC heavy crane.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 29th, 2016, 12:45pm
My first Marx HO Caboose is the most common. The NYC bay window 20298, red.

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 29th, 2016, 12:48pm
 The same caboose came in green.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jul 30th, 2016, 10:44am
*** Marx made a 3 window caboose, with a standard roof cupola. It was made with and without a radio Antenna.
New York Central Railroad NYC 20295. This one has the antenna.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Aug 13th, 2016, 7:59pm
Next caboose is another green Bay window type. It is Western Pacific RR. W.P, 645.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Aug 15th, 2016, 3:12pm
Marx Rock Island bay window caboose. #1959
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Aug 19th, 2016, 7:16am
A Marx New Haven Bay Window caboose.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Aug 20th, 2016, 7:22am
Here is another style of New Haven Caboose. The 3 window caboose with antaean.
frank

I replaced the photo today 8-22-2016 with a better one.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Aug 22nd, 2016, 8:11am
Still have a couple left to post. I found my Valley Express caboose made for the Green Giant brand of Veggie's. The only way you got this set was through the mail.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Aug 23rd, 2016, 9:10am
A Santa-Fe Bay Window caboose. Also made in yellow.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Aug 23rd, 2016, 10:19pm
Well this completes my Marx Cars I have right now. I hope to get a Santa-Fe yellow bay window, and yellow 3 window cabooses. Another is the brown SP gondola. A NYC work caboose. The UP cabooses. And the 3 window green WP caboose. The rocket launch car has always been on my wish List. From battery powered train set are 2 box cars I don't have.  I am certain there are others. Someday I'll find a few more. The fun is in the finding.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Aug 24th, 2016, 4:32pm
I like what you have posted here. Was it possible to purchase individual Marx cars years ago or did they only come in sets?

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Aug 24th, 2016, 4:37pm

on 07/18/16 at 18:11:56, toptrain wrote:
This is the Marx special all purpose beer delivery car. With it I can safely without shaking deliver a cold one to anywhere around the layout.
frank


A special car no doubt- though the "Celebrated Pottsville Porter" is brewed in a Reading served town. One of my favorite beers  :)

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Aug 25th, 2016, 9:08am
* Well NEFAN; I am glad somebody likes the old very common HO cars from 1930's to 1960's. The Marx cars were sold separately boxed as well as in sets. Marx made set for many of the old department stores. Many times doing something special within the set for a client.
Now the beer delivery car works very well. The log car's curved load carrying skeleton supports the bottles and cans very well. We even can deliver soda and other soft drinks.
Nice talking to you.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Sep 4th, 2016, 11:11am
I actually got 2 Marx passenger cars yesterday at a flea market with the F3a that came with the set. The thread being just for train cars means I can only post the passenger cars here.
* The two cars are a coach, Santa-Fe #71875, and a Santa-Fe observation car #80971. They have metal bodies that are rusting. Not exactly the perfect cars for my collection. Though it is better to have these then none at all.
frank

Here is a photo of the set. Easiest way to post in one photo.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Sep 12th, 2016, 7:26pm
I got another two Marx cars  Saturday at Allentown.
The first is a Cities Service flat car with two tanks on it.
frank


Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Sep 12th, 2016, 7:28pm
The other Marx car is a IHCX 3130 flat car with two bull dozers on it.
frank

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Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Sep 20th, 2016, 2:36pm
I like the passenger cars. They don't make them like that anymore. Oddly enough I usually see Marx and Gilbert trains in antique shops not so much at RR shows.

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Sep 26th, 2016, 11:53am

on 09/20/16 at 14:36:09, NEFAN wrote:
I like the passenger cars. They don't make them like that anymore. Oddly enough I usually see Marx and Gilbert trains in antique shops not so much at RR shows.


Well not so where I am. No antique shops here. Only some train shows anywhere from 15 to 70 miles away, and a flea market 15 miles away.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Nov 4th, 2016, 7:01am
The name Varney is known by us old modelers. Well Gordon Varney seems to have produced a little something for Modelers to be able to display a Varney model on their desk or on a glass windowed curio shelf in ones dining room or where things of sentimental value are displayed. Even at work on ones desk or workbench.
Recently I came across a Varney single dome tank car. BECCO. I have the car already in my collection but here it was on a display stand. On the bottom of the stand is the Varney name, The city, and state where Varney was located, and even a Varney part Number. Never seen one before. Is this a item made and listed in their catalog. I don't think so. Made as a special order for the BECCO company as a holiday gift for some employees. I have no Idea. All I can do is share this item with you. Maybe someone who does know something of this display train can tell us all.

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Nov 4th, 2016, 7:51am
* Here is my other BEECO tank car. It is more like new and the red lettering is much brighter. I may replace bodies so the display model is more perfect. Also the trucks used on the display if I am correct are not Varney but Athearn. I have a set of good Varney trucks to put on it. We'll see.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Nov 16th, 2016, 5:25pm
Well here is the ECCO tank all spiffed up looking pretty good.

Well speaking of rare. these mounted display cars were small runs that private companies ordered for promotional purposes. A modeler over in the Tyco forum has a small collection of these display cars. He has 5 of them and knows of two more. Now with mine, he knows of 3 more.
frank

Edit; 12-16-2016
New photo posted 12-16-2016 with missing tank supports replaced.

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Nov 16th, 2016, 5:29pm
Here is another Mark Car I just got this past weekend.
The Rock Island, Work Car. RI 90798. It can be used as a Crane tender car, or even a caboose.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Nov 30th, 2016, 5:02pm
Here is a wooden car kit that I performed paint touch up, plus new trucks and couplers. Not sure of the manufacturer but it has paper sides and PLASTIC doors on the top. This is the first time I have seen this combination. It is a nice car and after adding some weights it runs well with the other reefers I have.

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by Henry on Nov 30th, 2016, 5:29pm
Aside from the massive ladder, it is a pretty nice looking reefer.

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Dec 2nd, 2016, 7:38pm
yep - it has a few quirks...

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 5th, 2016, 6:19am
*  A very nice reefer, nice and bright in color and clear lettering. So many companies made wood kit cars. And for a long a time. You got a good one.
Frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 5th, 2016, 6:31am
** Here's a Gilbert CB&Q 2 bay coal hopper with load I just got this past weekend at a flea market. Gilbert #501. This car also came in a Varney version with the same Gilbert number. It was sold by Gilbert. I have posted a photo of it here already.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 13th, 2016, 7:40pm
In 1956 HObbyline had a HO streamline passenger train. Their first road name is Pennsylvania Railroad. I finally got the Train set.
* The coaches are named. Morrisville, Trenton, and Princeton. The Yardley is the Observation cars name.
frank


Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 16th, 2016, 6:54am
Another Gilbert car I have added to my collection is a Koppers tank car 518 by Gilbert. With the same number, 518 there is a Varney type car also. Gilbert has associations with Varney, Marx and Tyco with each company benefiting from these associations. The ruff look of this car shows the condition I got it in.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Dec 17th, 2016, 1:29pm
If I remember correctly I saw one of these years ago in NJ on the CNJ. The car you have has a weathered look to it which makes it look more like the real thing. nice one

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Dec 17th, 2016, 5:31pm
Decals have been applied to the caboose. It is a close match to the ERIE wooden cabooses built by Magor in my wife's hometown of Clifton NJ.

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Dec 17th, 2016, 5:44pm
I picked up this reefer because I had been to Yakima Wash years back and remember the huge apple silos that were outside of town. The carbody had to be re-glued with paint touch ups. The trucks were brass, but I replaced them with the metal sprung trucks since the others didn't roll very well. All wood and metal with decals added at some point. Not sure if it was "weathered" or just aged naturally this way.

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 19th, 2016, 9:53am
With Christmas THIS SUNDAY I like to wish everyone a Merry Christmas. And god Bless Everyone. NYC set #17840.

Here is a photo of a past Christmas gift.
A Marx Train Set.
Simple, but a supper gift when I was young.
Frank

*********** Unwrapped this is what you saw ! *************

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 19th, 2016, 9:54am
Then you open the Box and see !

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 19th, 2016, 9:56am
Maybe not much to see today, but this was the stuff that dreams were made of !
 Merry Christmas ! ***********

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Dec 23rd, 2016, 5:43pm
Nice - This brought a smile to my face. I remember the Lionel set that Santa brought me and my brother for Christmas many years ago. Merry Christmas !

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Dec 23rd, 2016, 7:34pm

on 12/23/16 at 17:43:47, NEFAN wrote:
Nice - This brought a smile to my face. I remember the Lionel set that Santa brought me and my brother for Christmas many years ago. Merry Christmas !


Good for you and Merry Christmas.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 11th, 2017, 8:38am
** Here is another old wood kit assembled. I am not sure of the manufacture. It is a Santa-Fe Reefer #SFRD 24082, Grand Canyon Line, Opposite side has this railroads map.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 11th, 2017, 8:39am
** This is the other side of SFRD # 24082 showing the Map.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 12th, 2017, 8:39am
** Here is a start of not a great project but a little one.
* I have a spare Marx Erie metal depressed center flat car. I mounted a Penn Line diesel generator casting to it. Now to find some small flood lights and metal wheels and axels for electrical pick-up.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jan 26th, 2017, 9:12am
Lionel Came out with some stock cars with funny graphics on them. This one I call the CRAZY CHICKEN CAR. NYC 78575
FRANK

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Feb 17th, 2017, 7:24am
Today i'mm posting some 1950's HO DC equipment. The locomotive is made by Fleischmann in Western Germany. The 3 cars are made in Eastern Germany by PECO. They get together in this photo.
* Fleischmann is a 0-6-0t #1320, 80 class, 1952. 80-1952 is on the cab side and front number board. 1320 is just on the cab side
* I added a crate and a container from this country.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Mar 1st, 2017, 9:35am
Here are four old mantua cars painted in Battleship Gray, with U.S. Navy lettering.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Mar 7th, 2017, 1:33pm
Here's a nice old Work-Caboose in excellent condition, a Lionel-Rivarossi car from 1957. A good year for Chevy rag tops. The same car was marketed by AHC about the same time. Of course without the Lionel L.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Mar 12th, 2017, 4:52pm
This is a Red Ball wooden car that needed lots of TLC to get it to look like something again. I had to replace some of the wood and use wood filler in some areas. I like it because it has the fox type trucks. I used light wood stain on it to give it an ancient look. I haven't decided what road name to use, (maybe NYS&W) so for now it will be unlettered.
My last wooden car in the "shop" is a Varney model which is in progress.

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Apr 26th, 2017, 9:30pm
I found a older plastic Athearn reefer. BAR Bangor and Aroostock
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 9th, 2017, 7:06am
Here is an oldie. A original Lindbergh Milwaukee Road flat with load of 3 U. S. Navy crates.
frank  

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 21st, 2017, 2:34pm
My Army train with 2 Mantua/Tyco box cars and a Mantua/Tyco bobber caboose. The loco is a Fleischmann I repainted and relettered. It is a war trophy for the Army transportation dept. I call it the Ghost.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on May 26th, 2017, 9:14am
I re-lettered my Athearn B&O work, boom car. It now is a U.S. Navy work car. I use it as a work caboose.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by NEFAN on Jun 1st, 2017, 10:12pm
I like the Navy consist you have assembled. The "ghost" is a fitting name for that engine.  :)

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 5th, 2017, 8:23am
NEFAN; thanks. It was painted to blend in on snowy landscapes or shadowy areas.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Jun 8th, 2017, 7:51am
Here is a good car find from the Hamburg PA. train show last weekend. It was with mixed up with cars of many manufacturers. It is a Lionel Rocket fuel car. The first one I have gotten. It can run with the Marx ones I have. It is in very good condition for a late 1950's car.
** Lionel 0815, Rocket Fuet tank car.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Aug 1st, 2017, 6:04am
Here is another Lionel HO scale car. Lionel number is 0873 making it an early Lionel car One of their action cars. The Horse transporting car. A type of stock car with 4 open windows and horse heads floating in and out of the windows as the car moves on the track. Bachman recently released this type of car and did a good job making it.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Aug 7th, 2017, 4:38pm
Another Lionel HO car from 1958 is the Alaska Railroad coal car #08361.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Aug 9th, 2017, 12:57pm
A Lionel box car I recently got is The Alaska Railroad # 08643.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Aug 12th, 2017, 7:21pm
Here is a hard to find Gilbert Sinclair #126 tank car. This car was cataloged and sold for 4 years 1946 to 1950.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Sep 11th, 2017, 8:23pm
This is a old Rivarossi flat car with a trailer load. This one is very hard to find.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Oct 29th, 2017, 5:06pm
Here are a pair of Lionel Air Force Box cars. They were rocket firing cars. Both had their launching mechanism, and roof door hinges broken. I removed the bad parts and glued the roof door closed. Now they are box cars.
frank

Title: Re: HO cars 1950's-1960's, with 30's and 40's thrown in.
Post by toptrain on Nov 14th, 2017, 11:20am
Here is a car from the Allentown First Forst train show I attended last Saturday. A Red Ball Photographer Laboratory Car.
frank



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