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« Reply #60 on: May 28th, 2013, 5:08pm »
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** Here is a old Varney full length Pullman Mississippi Valley.
 


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« Reply #61 on: Jul 8th, 2013, 2:21pm »
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* Here are 2 old Interban cars. One full passenger car, and the other a Passenger baggage combination car. Unknown manufacture, or scratch build.
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« Reply #62 on: Aug 2nd, 2013, 9:32am »
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Another old car I have. A all steel chair car with a cresatory roof. No air-conditioning on this car.  I don't know who made the kit. it is metal sides with wood roof and floor.
** The trucks look like they belong on a streamlined passenger car and not this older one .
 
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« Reply #63 on: Aug 2nd, 2013, 10:21am »
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Frank -  
 
Yours, just above. Check the sides, and determine whether aluminum. This looks very much like a standard J-C Models (NJ) catalog offering.  
This the design stated as B&O, CNJ or NYC....
 
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« Reply #64 on: Aug 2nd, 2013, 3:22pm »
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The sides are like thin tin but non magnetic. The ends are thicker castings.
Maybe are J-C models. I cant say no for sure. I know it has the wrong trucks on it. Also it is 1 window short in its length. Still a good copy of a Harlan and Hollingsworth car for the CRR of NJ.
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« Reply #65 on: Aug 2nd, 2013, 5:04pm »
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Frank -
 
"Non magnetic", eh? J-C kits, at least the several I had, used a thin aluminum stock. The trick of simply tapping with a finger nail  
usually gives a distinct sound, a bit different than sheet steel stock (the latter used by Walthers)...
 
The lines of the coach seem mighty familiar with one  of the classic J-C replicas.
 
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« Reply #66 on: Aug 2nd, 2013, 7:21pm »
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Vern; You seem to know more them me about the car. I just own it. So it is a J-C models passenger car. Sounds good to me. I like that it is a CNJ type cars ,as that is my main road.
  Thanks for the information.  
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« Reply #67 on: Aug 19th, 2013, 9:24pm »
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When I really look at the car I can see that it is slightly shorter than a standard CNJ, Harlan and Hollingsworth car. it is missing one window. Here is a standard CNJ passenger car.  
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« Reply #68 on: Oct 24th, 2013, 4:44pm »
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** Here is another kit car in need of a rebuild.  
* A Pennsylvania Railroad Dinner car.
* Unknown manufacturer.  
 Wood roof, floor, and most under floor detail.
Metal sides and ends.
 
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« Reply #69 on: Oct 24th, 2013, 4:45pm »
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Photo 2 PRR Dinner opposite side.
 
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« Reply #70 on: Oct 25th, 2013, 7:34am »
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Frank - All -  
 
"Usual Suspect" on this one a legacy WALTHERS? There are some clues in the photos, which reflect how the firm fabricated  
and presented its kits. Time flies! This one may date back near fifty years...
 
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* Baggage one *  
 
Here is a very different all wood kit baggage car. The ends of this car has doors and small rounded off platforms. I have seen this of express reefers.
 
 Vern what can you tell me about this car.  
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« Reply #72 on: Jan 19th, 2014, 2:19pm »
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* Baggage two *
 Here is the end view, end like a express reefer.
  second of a set of two. Previous post has first photo, side view.
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« Reply #73 on: Jan 19th, 2014, 2:36pm »
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Frank - All -  
 
Thanks for thinking of me! Sorry! Your correspondent clueless on possible heritage of this replica.
 
You are showing this Car (Photo 2) with a "train door"? Also, note it may - or may not - correctly be on high speed trucks.
 
My inferences? What period? Wooden equipment became quite passe' by ICC Safety Rules, at some point in time.  
My conjecture is the replica may emulate a Bulk Mail Storage Car? This one has me puzzled...
 
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« Reply #74 on: Jan 20th, 2014, 1:52pm »
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Vern, That end doored baggage will be painted and lettered for the PRR. I have 2 sets of Pittman PRR MU Bride and Grooms also to get running and painted. They will run together as a 2, and 3 car sets, or together in a 5 car set.
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Frank - All -  
 
The 'Train Door' Baggage... Right! You have a good 'theory of the case' which approximates PRR thinking. One would need to dig a bit,  
but the ICC Equipment Interchange rules likely dealt with wooden Cars like this. After a 'drop dead' date where wooden equipment  
banned from Interchange, likely it could remain in use on the moves entirely local on the owning carrier...
 
So that: Such a Car may well have been in service on the PHL - Main Line points Westward. Could have also had use East of PHL; i.e.,
PHL - Jersey City. Recall, earlier Rules whereby wooden Cars were not to travel the Hudson Tunnels.
 
Purist Point? Check and verify the design of possible trucks used on the Car. I'm unclear whether those in Photos are 'too modern'...  
 
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« Reply #76 on: Jan 20th, 2014, 3:49pm »
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Vern I have seen photo of a baggage car in tow by a powered MU on the PRR mainline. That is what I'll try to duplicate. I am surprised that when REA closed up that the Railroads didn't use there stations which all had a freight area, and personnel to keep there freight shipping going. They just gave up the business.  
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on Jan 20th, 2014, 3:49pm, toptrain wrote:       (Click here for original message)
...I am surprised that when REA closed up that the Railroads didn't use there stations which all had a freight area, and personnel to keep there freight shipping going. They just gave up the business.  
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Frank - All -  
 
You are playing into my hand of LCL (LTL) Shipments and Costs. The area is so murky that it deserving of offering as a two semester,  
Graduate School level set of discussions.
 
The brief of it. The huge set of schedules of timetable Passenger Services collapsed. With it, loss of U S Mail, and 'Express'. Recall  
REA simply an alter ego, a front for several major lines. As the member lines ended their own LCL and Express services it, therefore,  
sharply restricted areas wherein PRR could reasonably provide good services.
 
In the 1960s (and onward), the same work then migrated to the full TOFC loads, in trailers marked, Arrow, Universal, Lifschultz, and  
so on. Much of the tonnages, too, moved to Highway Carriers. Again, note the presence on rail of (ex.) SPECTOR, TRANS-AMERICAN,  
and et. seq.
 
I have known some Station Agent gentlemen, who clearly recall the long and slow exit of REA from that particular class of traffic. What is  
apparent here? In the period to which you allude, PRR 'Express' traffic in state of collapse. It could no longer rely on connecting lines, so  
to provide point to point service. It was not especially attractive when it was happening (many smaller Freight stops were closed, and  
customers dealt with a traveling Agent.)
 
Which returns to one of my eternal grievances. Much of it in the evil mischief of the ICC Motor Carrier Act 0f 1935. The rails did not get it,  
but had artificial constraints on ownership of Highway Motor Carriers. IMHO, the rails should have received unrestricted authority. It didn't  
work that way. (Ex.: Whatever could have been wrong with a good - say - DL&W Customer routing a full trailer load, Highway service, for  
the Railroad to run it, Bridgeton, NJ to St. Joseph, MI? What's the problem with long haul DL&W trucks?...
 
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....the car shown in Reply #s 71-72 is from a JC Silversides Kit and is based on a NYC dining car. I couldn't find a reference for the baggage in either prototype or model form although those widely spaced baggage doors are somewhat reminiscent of a freight motor. The general construction though leads me to think it's predominantly a free lance, scratch built piece....Tom

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Ok, we have a Varney short length coach.
 


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