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Modeling the 1870's
 
« on: Jul 4th, 2008, 9:23am »
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In the future I want to make an HO layout of an 1870's railroad mainline. I've been looking into HO scale 4-4-0s but I haven't found too much. Would anyone know where I could buy varying mainline 4-4-0's and rolling stock for future reference?

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« Reply #1 on: Jul 19th, 2008, 11:05pm »
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there isn't a whole lot available in either brass or plastic
in plastic/die cast there is the mantua/tyco General, (which is actually the General as rebuilt after the civil war and as it stands today)
the 3 variations of the V&T 4-4-0s (built 1872-1875) from IHC
and the bachmann Central Pacific Jupiter/ Union Pacific 119 which have been a profound disappointment to everyone who has bought them
 
 
 
in brass the list is slightly longer but the price tags are much higher and of course supply is a problem as most items are 30 or more years old
 
Akane imported a Pennsylvania class D-3 4-4-0 under the description "old timer." they lack rivet detail especially on the tender, but are really nice porportioned.  I just converted one to can in the cab motor with new gears, a flywheel and a lot of lead for weight.  there is the PFM V&T 4-4-0, several versions, some with cab motors.  PFM also imported Jupiter and 119 as did Balboa and more recently PSC. Samhongsa made a CStP&P "William Crooks" 4-4-0 for Gem which is beautiful to look at, but impossible to get it to run for s**t
 
a real problem is accurate rolling stock, you have to scratch everything
the mantua/tyco cars are inaccurate in many obvious ways.  the 36' cars marketed are really closer to 1890s and early 1900 construction practices, that includes the central valley and Labelle cars as well.  
 
I recently got some "custom" wood freight car kits which were prototypically accurate for the 1870s from a company called "Sandy River Car Shops" Although they usually do narrow gauge cars, they made me some special run HO kits.


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« Reply #2 on: Sep 10th, 2008, 11:33am »
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Athearn/Roundhouse came out with DCC & Sound equipped 4-4-0 locomotives in HO Scale.  These locomotives were previewed and judged by Model Railroader a few months back and they were impressed.  They also came out with 2-6-0 Moguls with sound and DCC as well.  If you want sound and DCC, these are the locomotives for you.  
 
Old-time passenger cars are not hard to find, but finding 1870s themed freight cars will be difficult.  I have a friend in Pennsylania who does custom car building and painting.  If you are interested, I can give you his number.  Tell him Dennis referred you.
 
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« Reply #3 on: Nov 24th, 2015, 8:19pm »
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A resurrection of a 7 year old thread. The subject is "Modeling the 1870's ".
* The first post was about the availability of ready made locomotives. I know that the author of the first post was asking about 4-4-0 types but he also said he was making a period layout. You cant have just one engine on a layout. I am expanding it to include all types of locomotives aviable that can be usefull, not counting the brass loco's any imported brass. They spoke of only the Bachmann 4-4-0, and Mantua General and it said that IHC sold 3 variations of V&T 4-4-0s . They missed the 2-4-0 and all three types were made for years by AHM. This was a July 2008 posting.  In sept 2008 mentioned was a Athearn Roundhouse 4-4-0 and 2-6-0. They forgot the MDC 2-8-0. Forgotten also was the Early mantua 2-6-0 mogul, and 4-4-0 Bell of the Eighties. Mantua also made the small 0-4-0 camelback, and a little 0-4-0t Mighty Mite and a 0-6-0 Busy Bee that was a little larger. From MDC the Yardhog 0-6-0t that could easily to made to match this era. Model Power released the made in Brazil 0-8-0, 2-8-0, 4-6-0 all match this era. Tyco/mantua 4-8-0, 4-6-0-and 2-6-0 plastic boilered locos fit the description being of civil was era.They totally forgot Aristo Craft and there line of cast locos. CB&Q 0-4-0, 0-6-0t, 0-8-0, 2-8-0, 4-2-2, a few 4-6-0's, and the Rogers 2-6-0. Silvine has a cast metal 0-4-0t and life like made the same loco in plastic. I am proably missing a few also.  
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« Reply #4 on: Jan 31st, 2016, 6:12am »
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The 1870's had many standard type wood and coal burning locomotives. The standouts were designed by a man who started changing the locomotive world here in America, John Millholland. He made his ideas reality back in the 1840 working on valve gear. He constantly worked on devising a way to burn anthracite culm, the waste left over when in mountainous piles at every mine.  
 His first wide firebox culm burners had their cabs mounted astride, on top of, the firebox. These were the first locomotives nicknamed camelbacks . Then John went to work for the Philadelphia and Reading. He changer the shape of the cab to round, and the name Gunboat was used to describe these locomotives. I would guess that these smaller cabs were just to hot to be in and the square style of cab returned. These round and square cabbed locos were still called Gunboats during the civil war years. Many photos survive of these locomotives. here is one of the earliest.  
 A John Mullholland camelback.
 


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« Reply #5 on: Jan 31st, 2016, 6:17am »
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A Mullholland Gunboat. Or a early camelback.
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« Reply #6 on: Jan 31st, 2016, 6:20am »
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The John Mullholland Gunboat of the mid 1870's.


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« Reply #7 on: Feb 8th, 2016, 7:45am »
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 When people think about locomotives the name associated with them is Baldwin.
Here is a Baldwin locomotive Catalog from 1872. Lots of company history here from the beginning of the company to the catalog date. A great period of steam locomotive conception and change.  
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A link to the Google free E book;
 
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 10th, 2016, 9:27am »
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A look at a Baldwin 4-4-0 from 1871. The locomotive Philadelphia.  
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This is a Baldwin 2-6-0 Mogul freight locomotive drawing from 1872 Railroad Gazette.
 
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« Reply #10 on: Jun 18th, 2016, 7:26pm »
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Well removing my last post and redoing it here. I'll go to early brass locos that I have. First one I am not sure of. It is a 4-4-0 and may be in the wrong box.  It is painted for Main Central and I keep it in a old United 4-4-0 V&T box.  
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A second photo of MC 316 4-4-0 old timer.
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« Reply #12 on: Sep 1st, 2016, 3:13pm »
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That is a fine example of an "American type" steam engine. I find the early 4-4-0 engines interesting due to their color schemes and ornate designs.  
Please post some of the others that you have in your collection. I have seen them in some of your earlier posts of your engine service area.
 
I am working on an 1890's era mixed train with wooden boxcars and open platform coaches. I was able to find an IHC ERIE camelback loco at a fair price, but am also looking for a 4-4-0 if I can find one that fits the bill. Bachman has a modern 4-4-0 but it is pricey and I have avoided them due to past experience with poor quality. Part of the fun is in the chase.  
I'll post some photos shortly.


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I know what you mean about the poor quality of that particular brand. When the locos were going bad and they cost 30 to 40 bucks. You could recover some value in a good tender and striping the loco of details. At over 100 dollars it is impossible to make up the difference. I never returned a Bachmann engine. Always striped them for parts. I don't do that anymore. The only Bachmann I have now are 2 Russian decapods that I made into Russian decapods from the way Bachmann sold them. I also have a 2-10-2 in Southern railroad that I don't use much. It hasn't been out of the box in 7 or 8 years. I have a few old 0-6-0t locos. Of the type sold both by Bachmann and AHM. They still run fine. I have 2 Bachmann 2-8-0 drives that for what ever reason still run and have made scratchbuilt bodies for CNJ I5 and I4 2-8-0's. I have shortened the tenders into proper Camelback tenders. They came out OK. That is about it for Bachmann in my collection. I am not looking for anymore.  
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 Here is one of mine backdated to 1918.



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