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Les_Shepherd
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« Reply #40 on: Dec 18th, 2010, 6:19am »
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Genesee & Wyoming are much bigger than you think. The size of their footprint  in Australian railroading has just increased substantially.
 
They have just purchased the north-south transcontinental line from a finacially distresed seller. In particular, the line from Tarcoola on the east-west transcontinental line to Darwin. 2,200km (1,400 miles) paying $334m for it including locomotives and rolling stock. The line carries 90% of the freight between Adelaide and Darwin. The line has always made an operating profit but the interest on borrowings caused the undoing for the seller.
 
No, G&W will not be hauling The Ghan. This train is subject to a hook and pull contract with another operator, Pacific National.
 
Genesee & Wyoming have had a long presence here. They operate both broad gauge and standard gauge trains on the surviving network in South Australia. Mostly grain.
 
They also operate both standard gauge and narrow gauge in Western Australia. General freight, ore, grain, or whatever is going.
 
They operate the private lines owned by the steelworks at Whyalla in South Australia. narrow gauge. These lines carry iron ore to the steelworks from the minesites.
 
The G&W colour schemes are the same as in the US.
 
I will see about posting a couple of photos over coming days.


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scottychaos
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« Reply #41 on: Dec 19th, 2010, 10:20am »
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Speaking of the G&W in Australia..
im curious if anyone knows anything about this..
 
As we know, the first and original Genesee & Wyoming railroad was the small salt-hauling railroad in Western NY..this is the G&W that gave rise to the vast G&W empire we have today..
 
That original G&W existed as the G&W, in name, from 1899 until about the year 2000..(one of very few railroads to operate through the entire 20th Century with the same name! the only other one I can think of off hand is Union Pacific)
 
History: http://gold.mylargescale.com/Scottychaos/GW/
 
But then, around 2000, that G&W was folded into the Rochester & Southern system, and the G&W railroad ceased to exist, in name, in Western NY.
today the original G&W route is part of the Rochester & Southern.
still G&W in the corporate sense, but no longer the "Genesee & Wyoming Railroad" in name..
 
So then I noticed something interesting..check out this photo:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=174634&nseq=1
 
Thats a G&W locomotive, in Australia, actually labeled "Genesee & Wyoming" with a G&W logo!  
Normally G&W subsidiary roads, around the world, are labeled with their subsidiary railroad name..R&S, B&P, etc..with an adapted logo with those specific initials..the only locomotives to wear the name "Genesee & Wyoming" with a G&W logo were the locomotives of the original G&W in NY state..
 
So what is up with this Australian G&W then?
Is there actually a shortline (or large line!) in Australia called the Genesee & Wyoming? if so, why on earth would the G&W transfer the name to Australia??
makes no sense to me..
anyone know the story there?
 
thanks,
Scot
 
 


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Les_Shepherd
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« Reply #42 on: Dec 20th, 2010, 5:00am »
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You have raised some very interesting questions Scot.
 
So far as I can tell Genesee & Wyoming came to Australia as part of a partnership with a local conglomerate (Westfarmers) to take control of the railways in Western Australia. They used the name ARG. (Australian Railways Group) These letters were on the locomotives using the standard G&W US livery as you describe. ARG expanded with the national standard gauge network and ARG trains could be seen any many parts of the country.
 
The ARG partnership broke up about 7 or 8 years ago. G&W took control of the "above rail assets" in Western Australia. About the same time they also took control of the surviving "above rail assets" in South Australia and which were not part of the national standard gauge network. This last included operating the private lines for the steelworks at Whyalla.
 
It could be said that as part of the ARG partnership they co-owned the Western Australia lines; but not now. The purchase of the north-south transcontinental line now gives them track ownership. They always provided operating facilities and train crews to the previous owner so they had a very good knowledge of what they were buying.  
 
They continue to have accreditation for the national standard gauge network and they often hire out locomotives to other operators.
 
The photo you tagged is of an EMD built in 1967 and which has its origins in the F7 model. The official model number is A16C. The major modification is the Co-Co wheel arrangement mainly to reduce the axle load and the deletion of auxilliary items not needed in Australia. The locomotive was purchased by the old Commonwealth Railways and worked the east-west transcontinental line until CR was sold off.
 
I find the history and background of our railroads an interesting topic of study. There is always something to be learnt.
 
I hope these notes help Scot.


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Les_Shepherd
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« Reply #43 on: Dec 20th, 2010, 6:07am »
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Some local photos as promised.
 

This image is from 2005 and is in NSW. 2 locos now numbered 22** have loaded grain train 3982. When the haulage contract came up for renewal G&W lost it to a competitor. The locomotives are EMD model J26C.
 

It is August 2010 at Rocky River in South Australia on the national standard gauge network. Locomotives ALF22 & CLP14 are working a loaded grain train from Port Pirie to Adelaide. The locos are respectively EMD model JT26C-2M & AT26C-2M.
 

September 2010 and locos 902 & 1304 have an empty ore train on the Whyalla steelworks line to the minesites. 902 is an Alco DL531 and 1304 is an EMD G14M.


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« Reply #44 on: Apr 1st, 2011, 7:52pm »
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on Dec 19th, 2010, 10:20am, scottychaos wrote:       (Click here for original message)
That original G&W existed as the G&W, in name, from 1899 until about the year 2000..(one of very few railroads to operate through the entire 20th Century with the same name! the only other one I can think of off hand is Union Pacific)

 
Four other RRs whcih fit your criteria:
 
1. The New York, Susquehanna & Western RR
 
2. the Bath & Hammondsport RR  (ownership changed, but the name on the engines did not)  
 
3. the Long Island RR (the oldest RR in the US to operate under its original name and charter)  
 
4. the Florida East Coast Railway  
 
Even so, it's still a short list!  
 


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« Reply #45 on: Apr 1st, 2011, 7:57pm »
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Getting back on track, I spent a frigid morning with GWI a week ago. I caught up to the Buffalo & Pittsburgh local switching at Buffalo Creek Junction.
 

 
Photo taken by me Friday 3/25/2011 in Buffalo, NY.


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« Reply #46 on: Apr 1st, 2011, 8:02pm »
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The B&P locomotives on the local were #887 (a chop nose ex-N&W GP9) and #1002 (a former Reading/Conrail SW1001).
 

 
Photo taken by me Friday 3/25/2011 in Buffalo, NY.


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« Reply #47 on: Apr 1st, 2011, 8:07pm »
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The B&P EMDs were pulling cuts of cars under Tifft Street, going a short distance down the former B&O 4th Sub as they switched back and forth.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Friday 3/25/2011 in Buffalo, NY. This ROW was the extreme northern end of the B&P "mainline" when GWI acquired the tracks from CSX circa 1988.
 
 


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« Reply #48 on: Apr 1st, 2011, 8:17pm »
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The B&P acquired the South Buffalo RR a few years back. The customer base now includes a Ford truck plant nearby, so auto racks like this cut are a common sight on B&P locals now.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Friday 3/25/2011 in Buffalo, NY.


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« Reply #49 on: Apr 1st, 2011, 8:22pm »
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Although GWI sold off its Alco fleet over 20 years ago, some of the EMDs keep the smoky tradition alive.
 

 
Photo taken by me Friday 3/25/2011 in Buffalo, NY.  
 
These pictures come from my recent trip to the greater Buffalo area to document B&P, CSX and NS in action. The entire trip is part of my March album at: http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab139/Erielackawanna/March%202011/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ20
 
Enjoy!!!


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« Reply #50 on: Aug 11th, 2011, 7:09pm »
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4 months later, I again paid a visit to the B&P at Buffalo Creek Junction. It was also 60+ degrees warmer- 79 degrees at 9 AM!  
 
NS local H1J was dropping off a string of cars on the former B&O, while a B&P consist was parked next to it.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Friday 7/22/2011 in Buffalo, NY.  


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« Reply #51 on: Aug 11th, 2011, 7:10pm »
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This Buffalo & Pittsburgh road freight arrived in mid-morning.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Friday 7/22/2011 in Buffalo, NY.


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« Reply #52 on: Aug 11th, 2011, 7:12pm »
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The B&P road freight is about to pass under the Tifft Street bridge.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Friday 7/22/2011 in Buffalo, NY.  
 


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« Reply #53 on: Aug 11th, 2011, 7:13pm »
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The B&P road freight emerges from under the bridge and heads up the grade on the former South Buffalo RR.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Friday 7/22/2011 in Buffalo, NY.


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« Reply #54 on: Aug 11th, 2011, 7:15pm »
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One B&P train (on the ex-SB) passes over another (on the former B&O).
 

 
Photo taken by me Friday 7/22/2011 in Buffalo, NY.


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« Reply #55 on: Aug 11th, 2011, 7:18pm »
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The Buffalo & Pittsburgh road freight passes over the CSX Chicago Line.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Friday 7/22/2011 in Buffalo, NY.


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« Reply #56 on: Aug 11th, 2011, 7:19pm »
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The tail end of the B&P road freight on the raised ex-SB ROW.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Friday 7/22/2011 in Buffalo, NY.


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« Reply #57 on: Aug 11th, 2011, 7:20pm »
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This pair of EMD switchers was also working in the yard at Buffalo Creek Junction.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Friday 7/22/2011 in Buffalo, NY.


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« Reply #58 on: Aug 11th, 2011, 7:21pm »
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The EMD switchers shuffling auto racks at Tifft Street.  
 

 
Photo taken by me Friday 7/22/2011 in Buffalo, NY.


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« Reply #59 on: Aug 11th, 2011, 7:23pm »
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The B&P local shuffles cars at Buffalo Creek Junction.
 

 
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