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Re: Knox and Kane RR Update: Will be scrapped
 
« Reply #120 on: Aug 8th, 2008, 12:51am »
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 I would like to see the SUSIE-Q "N.Y.S. & W." RR pic her up as a back up for the SY No. 142..  
 
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Re: Knox and Kane RR Update: Will be scrapped
 
« Reply #121 on: Aug 8th, 2008, 8:03am »
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Replies to a few points:
 
  The Penn View Mountain RR was constructed entirely on farm and mountainside property owned by the Cornell Family in Burrell TWP. Pa. The nearest railroad was the Conemaugh Division of the Pennsylvania RR about a mile from their farm on Strangford Road. The Cornells carved the double switchback RR into the base of Penn View Mtn. themsevles. Equipment was trucked to the PVMRR railhead from the PRR siding at Tom's Run interlocking.
 
  I would be very shocked to see anything bad happen to a locomotive with as much historic value as former Huntingdon and Broad Top #38. Mr. Cornell wouldn't sell a grand old locomotive with a pedigree to the central PA coal fields for scrap. The Chinese Mikado is another story entirely. If the fire damage to it is extensive- it is probably worth more as scrap steel.
 
  Shame to see the decrepit condition of the old Penn View Mountain coach. I rode in that car many times as a young child. I'm not sure if that car was one of the former Wellsville, Addisson & Galeton RR stock. I know Mr. Cornell donated a former WAG combine to The RR Museum of PA many years ago.
 
   The scrapping of the K&K was inevitable. The main tourist draw is gone. There are no consistent sources of freight. The physical condition of the roadbed and track is worse than terrible. The millions of dollars needed to rehabilitate the line do not exists in this economy.
 
Goodbye Knox & Kane. Rest in Peace.


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Re: Knox and Kane RR Update: Will be scrapped
 
« Reply #122 on: Aug 19th, 2008, 4:23pm »
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Farmington Twp. in a hurry.
 
Link from the Clarion News: http://www2.theclarionnews.com/General_News/74027.shtml
 
The last I heard, Paint Twp. still wants/wanted rail service through their twp. to serve Clarion Boards, and are still hoping for a bio-diesel plant since the Rouseville location seems to be non-existant.  Now Farmington Twp., which is 2 twps. north wants to remove all crossings on their roads prematurely.  As has been stated, both crossings on Blood Rd. which is just into Forest County, and the Rt66 crossing in Leeper have already been removed.  IF, and a BIG IF someone would be interested in buying the line to operate it, and save the abandonement process, now they have 13 crossings to replace.


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Re: Knox and Kane RR Update: Will be scrapped
 
« Reply #123 on: Aug 21st, 2008, 3:37pm »
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  The old Penn View car is not ex-WAG. It is an ex New York Elevated body on a stretched ex PRR hack frame. Many museums have looked at this car an deemed it not worthy of investing in since there is not enough of the original car to make a good static display and the original coach needs too much work to be used for excursions.  
   Hopefully somebody will buy it that could use it, but I really have to ask the entire group here if that money wouldn't be spent more wisely on a more worthy restoration if somebody has $$$$$$$ to throw away
    Mr. Hafer, I do wish you all the luck in the world with your cars if you happen to read this.
 
 Regards,,    George K.


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Re: Knox and Kane RR Update: Will be scrapped
 
« Reply #124 on: Sep 9th, 2008, 11:10am »
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The K&K will have a huge auction:
 
http://www.petersonauction.com/
 
Liquadation Auction
Knox & Kane Railroad
Locomotivies, train cars, Equipment
Fri. Oct. 10 @
10 am Kane - info
2:30pm Nansen Junction - info
4:30 pm Marienville - info
Sat. Oct. 11 @ 10 am
Marienville, PA - info
 
An absolute auction will be held to liquidate the rolling stock and inventory of the Knox & Kane Rail Road.
 
All item will be sold as is where is to the highest bidder.
 
A Buyers premium of 10% will be charged on all purchases.
 
All items to be paid for at close of auction on Saturday October 11, 2008
 
Potential bidders planning on spending in excess of $10,000 will be required to pay with cash, certified funds, or check with bank letter of credit or deposited funds.
 
All small items to be removed from auction site by 10/15/08
 
All rolling stock to be removed from property by 07/01/09. Buyers of rolling stock or larger items must produce a certificate of liability insurance with minimum coverage of  
$ 500,000 at time of auction registration.
 
General auction preview will be held Thursday October 9 from 11 am to 5 pm.
 
For pre auction inspection of locomotives or rolling stock please contact Mike Peterson Auctions to make arrangements. Inspections can be done between Sept 22 & Oct 8
 
Sale order will be as follows:
 
Friday Oct 10th @ 10 am
Kane PA
 
Gordon Spreader
Plasser spot tamper
Norberg model B spiker
Fairmount W-84 spike puller
Blue box car #1027 50’
Side dump car / roller bearing
Box car #2133 44’
Box car #2199 44’
Box car #2152 44’
Box car #50112 44’
Hopper car Cambria Indiana
Flat car 60’
RCC tie inserter
GP9 Diesel locomotive (was in building fire)
2-8-0 Baldwin & Tender steam locomotive Warren rail car (was in building fire)
2-8-2 1989 steam locomotive (was in building fire)
Burned out passenger car
D-7 dozer w/4 way blade
Winston 18,000# tri-axel equipment trailer
Fiat-Allis 545 wheel loader
Heavy pallet forks
Flat car 89’
RTW tie handler
Wheel trucks, roller bearing 5 ½ x 10
Baggage car #444
Baggage car #30124
Passenger car w/restrooms #7002
Café car w/generator, cooler & freezer #7099
Passenger car #7109
Open observation car #100
Flat car 34’ #200
Caboose (located in Mt. Jewett)
62 kegs new 5/8 x 6 track spikes
25 kegs new 15/16 x 5 ½ track bolts  
Small gage operating steam locomotive on rubber tires with flat car and caboose
15 picnic tables
 
Friday October 10 @ 2:30 pm
Nansen Junction PA
 
Burro crane
Flat rail car 44’
Flat rail car 44’
Flat rail car 44’
133 pcs. Relay rail 105 Dudley
17 pcs. Relay rail 100 RB
 
Friday October 10 @ 4:30 pm
Marienville PA
 
Air rail car jack #5
Fairmount Class A-3 series D speeder
Tank car
Double deck observation car
Cambria Indiana hopper car
Long island passenger car #7031
Open passenger car #604
New York Central passenger car #215
Long Island passenger car #7433
Caboose (fire damage)
Baggage car / concession car #710
Fairmount motor car
Tank sprayer
Wooden passenger car #782
Box car / no carriage
Signal box
 
Saturday October 11 @ 10 am
Marienville PA
 
2005 New Holland TC40 compact tractor w/16LA loader
Pallet forks
Woods 750 3 point hitch backhoe
1994 Dodge 3500 dully diesel w/dump 32,000 miles
1995 Dodge Dakota R title 200,000 miles
1995 Dodge Dakota ex-cab 120,000 miles
Lightning Sport Copter Helicopter (new never flown)
Astron 2 way radio system
2-door large floor safe
Oak 6 piece map cabinet
8 old phones new in box
Oil lamp holders
20+ milk bottles
30+ railroad lanterns
Cast iron pans including Griswold #12
Milk cans
Nail kegs
50+ Metal, cast iron, and porcelain RR signs
Lots of advertising signs
Roll front cabinet
Roll top desk
8 bells misc sizes ship and train
Carnival fortune scale
Steam whistles
Diesel horns
Large collection of maps and blueprints of railroad lines including Gettysburg drawings
Train schedules and time tables
Brakeman lanterns
Caboose lanterns
Switch lanterns
Lots of lantern parts
Lots of switch locks
Car inspector lanterns
W signs
Oilers
Headlamps
Locomotive oil cans
Schedule board
Railroad calendars
PRR watering cans
Brakeman clubs
Large collection of bridge and highway drawings for Knox & Kane RR
Early gas pump
Relay lanterns
1919 PA artillery photo
1919 glassworks photo
Wooden butter churn
8 glass front museum display cases
Wells Fargo steel wheel wagon
Crocks and jugs
Smut pot heaters
Rail bender
Ice and rail tongs
Crossing batteries
Hand carts
2 man saws
Blacksmith tools
Early stamp dispenser
Glass molds
13 rolls of chain link fence
30+ railroad jacks
Power band saw
Rail drill
Bench grinders
Drill press
2 upright air compressors
10 ton shop press
Mig welder
Lots of hand tools including ¾ “ sockets and heavy train tools
Journal brass
Tie tongs
200+ bars, shovels, and RR tools
Gant potbelly stove
Rail wheels for pickup truck
Pick boom
Racine rail saw
4 x 6 trailer
Rail grinder
6’ bucket mount ripper
Locomotive air compressor and lots of parts
2 flat head engines with transmissions
4 chain saws
Gauge rods
Lots of track parts, including washers, bolts, spikes, and plugs
Lincoln welder with gas welder
Sign posts
Box car roof
5 rolls of copper wire
Super heater flue ends
Misc ladders
Portable track buggy
Several railroad car wheels
8 x 8 storage shed
Car hauler
Loco-tender draw bar
250 gallon fuel tank
4 jersey barriers
20 pieces of concrete sluice pipe
50+ new RR crossing signs
Steam jenny
 
***lots more RR smalls***
 
This list will be updated as we continue to inventory items


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Re: Knox and Kane RR: Liquidation Auction Oct. 10 & 11
 
« Reply #125 on: Sep 11th, 2008, 9:37pm »
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I wish i had like 1,000,000,000,000,000,000!!!!   sitting around and buy most of it and start my own railroad

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« Reply #126 on: Sep 16th, 2008, 5:20pm »
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Gentlemen,  
 
  Please check out this forum http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=128&t=54804 , it should be an update then possibly some here might understand that the Kovalchick family is attempting to do with the Knox and Kane RR ..


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Re: Knox and Kane RR: Liquidation Auction Oct. 10 & 11
 
« Reply #127 on: Sep 28th, 2008, 10:42pm »
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http://www.kanerepublican.com/content/view/68432/1/
 
The burned engines have been pulled out of the enginehouse and are on display near the Kane station.


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Re: Knox and Kane RR: Liquidation Auction Oct. 10 & 11
 
« Reply #128 on: Oct 1st, 2008, 10:25am »
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Just out of curiosity did anyone see or even read my post? It's being talked about here at /on the following website.    
 
  http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=128&t=54804  
 
So please check it out,it just might answer any questions that you have ...  
Mr Starr


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Re: Knox and Kane RR: Liquidation Auction Oct. 10 & 11
 
« Reply #129 on: Oct 1st, 2008, 2:21pm »
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Tom, your questions on the other site were answered there. The A&A will not be buying anymore equipment, and there is a chance that all will be scrapped anyway. Asked and answered a few times.
 
Dave Becker


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« Reply #130 on: Oct 2nd, 2008, 2:04pm »
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Dave B. - Thank you ..

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Re: Knox and Kane RR: Liquidation Auction Oct. 10 & 11
 
« Reply #131 on: Oct 6th, 2008, 10:21am »
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Photos of the steamers, #38 and #58 on railpicrures.net.  My shots of GP9 #39 and the coach didn't make RP quality.  I'll add those when I get some more time.
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=253791&nseq=1
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=253792&nseq=0


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Re: Knox and Kane RR: Liquidation Auction Oct. 10 & 11
 
« Reply #132 on: Oct 6th, 2008, 1:55pm »
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THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Please post the other pics.
 
Chris


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« Reply #133 on: Oct 6th, 2008, 2:01pm »
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More pics here too:
 
http://gwilt33.rrpicturearchives.net/archiveThumbs.aspx?id=35344&Page=6


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« Reply #134 on: Oct 11th, 2008, 12:07pm »
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My buddy attended the auction:
 
Most of the passenger cars and freight cars went for scrap. The 39 went to Georges Creek RR, the BLW 38 to  
Alan Maples (Everett RR) and the 58 to a tourist line in CT that has the other Chinese loco.


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« Reply #135 on: Oct 12th, 2008, 8:40pm »
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Received the following sales information yesterday regarding the auction:
 
H&BT No. 38 2-8-0 to Alan Maples, Everett RR, $60,000.
 
K&K No. 1689 2-8-2 Chinese built to David Conrad, Valley RR, $100,000.
 
K&K 39 EMD GP9 (Ex-WM No. 39) to Georges Creek RR, $35,000.


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« Reply #136 on: Oct 14th, 2008, 2:15pm »
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To anybody who may care,
 
    I agree that # 38 went to Alan Maples, and that # 58 is destined for Essex, but in all reality Harold Tenny was the high bidder on # 39 and NOT Gerald Altizer. This should be evident to anybody who did attend the auction.  
   Gerald may indeed end up with # 39 in the end, but as of now Georges Creek does not have a penny invested in this locomotive. No sense in starting rumors and getting folks hopes up prematurely.  
 
  regards,   George K.


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« Reply #137 on: Oct 15th, 2008, 12:53pm »
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^Thanks for the correction, George!

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« Reply #138 on: Oct 16th, 2008, 1:42pm »
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Has any scrapping of cars begun in Marienville or Kane?
 
I'm sure most of the cars in Marienville will just be scrapped onsite. I doubt a hospital train would run between Marienville and Kane. The K&K doesn't have an operating engine right now.
 
One open car (out of 2) was sold to a tourust railroad. I wonder if they will ship it out by truck or rail?


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Re: Knox and Kane RR: Liquidation Auction Oct. 10 & 11
 
« Reply #139 on: Oct 16th, 2008, 6:10pm »
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I worked in Marienville yeasterday.  No scrapping yet, other than what the railroad had  done before hand.  The bigger auction wins that needed picked up at a later time are starting to disappear though.

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