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« Reply #200 on: Apr 22nd, 2009, 8:59pm »
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Wow... you're right, Mike. Alot has changed since Guilford pulled up the rails in '85. If you hadn't told us that you were approaching Starucca Viaduct, I would not have been able to tell. Nice job with the archaeology trip!

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« Reply #201 on: Apr 23rd, 2009, 6:22am »
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Comparing photos to the small book "D&H Thunder & Lightning Stripes" whichs shows several locations along this railbed. The area is unrecognizable. The next bridge north of where I stopped is very recognizable. I will first post the trip up Jefferson Jct, then continue from this last photo.  
 
As indicated, there are very few remains left.  
 
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« Reply #202 on: Apr 23rd, 2009, 4:47pm »
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Ok well backing up a bit, I am first going to give the photo tour of Jefferson Junction. As we head southwards to connect to it, we spotted this concrete culvert under the railbed. There is an identical one under the main track. Dated 1927

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« Reply #203 on: Apr 23rd, 2009, 4:47pm »
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At the junction, the remains of "JN Tower" were spotted.

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« Reply #204 on: Apr 23rd, 2009, 4:48pm »
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A wire in the railbed, no doubt part of the block detection. There were several signal bases scattered around including a large one.

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« Reply #205 on: Apr 23rd, 2009, 4:49pm »
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Jefferson Jct is just to the left. We found a clear path in around here.

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« Reply #206 on: Apr 23rd, 2009, 4:51pm »
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We found this, no idea what it is.

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« Reply #207 on: Apr 23rd, 2009, 4:51pm »
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The railbed is clear, and we saw signs some repair work was done.

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« Reply #208 on: Apr 23rd, 2009, 4:52pm »
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Foundation remains. My track schematics don't cover this part so this is unknown.

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« Reply #209 on: Apr 23rd, 2009, 4:53pm »
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SInce this railbed climbs up. It gives a nice view of the Starucca Viaduct.

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« Reply #210 on: Apr 23rd, 2009, 4:53pm »
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There wasn't much else to see and the work ruined any chances of finding mile posts. but we are approaching track level.

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« Reply #211 on: Apr 23rd, 2009, 4:54pm »
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Here is where it would have joined in. One rail of Jefferson Jct can be seen still in the road.

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« Reply #212 on: Apr 23rd, 2009, 5:13pm »
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The steel piece in the picture with your GPS is an Brake shoe(used on freight cars and locomotive) . Judging by the corrosion, it's probally beem sitting there for maybe 20 years. These brake shoes really take a long time to start corroding.

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Driver diameter: 69 inches
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Coal: 22 tons
Water: 22,000 gallons
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on Apr 23rd, 2009, 5:13pm, NKP759fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
The steel piece in the picture with your GPS is an Brake shoe(used on freight cars and locomotive) . Judging by the corrosion, it's probally beem sitting there for maybe 20 years. These brake shoes really take a long time to start corroding.

 
 
Well since the line was abandoned in the 1980's its been a bit over 20 years.  
 
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« Reply #214 on: Apr 23rd, 2009, 9:12pm »
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on Apr 23rd, 2009, 6:22am, mike_nepa wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Comparing photos to the small book "D&H Thunder & Lightning Stripes" whichs shows several locations along this railbed.

 
That is the book I was using to compare the past to your photos!  


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« Reply #215 on: Apr 23rd, 2009, 10:44pm »
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Very good shots, the one picture is definitely a freight car brake shoe to small for a loco shoe. i have to ask, does it still smell like vanilla at JN there should be a little creek that passed under the roadbed just south of where the switch was, we had a derailment at the switch and a box car with vanilla extract had broken open and it always smelled so good there. The switch at JN was a hand throw switch and then just north on the branch was a siding called Hanrahans, it was used for setting off high cube auto box cars for trains coming off the Penn division heading to Bing to be picked up. Up at JA there was a phone box that all trains entering the EL had to stop and call the Hornell train detain er. A picture of that is in the book A Decade of D&H on page 56. how young I was. Very good investigating.

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« Reply #216 on: Apr 24th, 2009, 9:12am »
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Looked at the picture of the brake shoe again, it's a steel shoe which was used on the old friction bearing trucks compared to the asbestos shoes used on the roller bearing trucks, again these pictures are great and it's good that people want to preserve the past.

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« Reply #217 on: Apr 24th, 2009, 9:56am »
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on Apr 23rd, 2009, 5:53pm, mike_nepa wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
Well since the line was abandoned in the 1980's its been a bit over 20 years.  
 
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I was generally speaking about the length of time the brake shoe was there. I am aware that the Penn Division was abandoned in the early to mid 80's. But on another note, thanks for this excellent photo essay. I was also wondering if the high bridges is till standing past Starruca.  


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Nickel Plate Road "Berkshire" #759
Built: August 1944
Builder: Lima Locomotives Works
Driver diameter: 69 inches
Boiler Pressure: 245
Coal: 22 tons
Water: 22,000 gallons
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on Apr 23rd, 2009, 10:44pm, TJ_1867 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Very good shots, the one picture is definitely a freight car brake shoe to small for a loco shoe. i have to ask, does it still smell like vanilla at JN there should be a little creek that passed under the roadbed just south of where the switch was, we had a derailment at the switch and a box car with vanilla extract had broken open and it always smelled so good there. The switch at JN was a hand throw switch and then just north on the branch was a siding called Hanrahans, it was used for setting off high cube auto box cars for trains coming off the Penn division heading to Bing to be picked up. Up at JA there was a phone box that all trains entering the EL had to stop and call the Hornell train detain er. A picture of that is in the book A Decade of D&H on page 56. how young I was. Very good investigating.

 
 
No smell of vanilla was there. The re-decked bridge that I showed a smaller abutment next to it is just south of the junction. One side of the bridge is re-decked, the other bare. The creek passes under the railbed there and is called "Starucca Creek" Here is another shot of the same bridge (the bare side). Just across the bridge about 100 feet is where we found the JN remains and signal/relay bases. This would be on the left side of the railbed.
 


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on Apr 23rd, 2009, 9:12pm, Matthew_Langworthy wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
That is the book I was using to compare the past to your photos!  

 
I think the only comparable thing so far was the Thomspon Train Station. The bridge over Little Starucca Creek is the pads near Buck Falls. The next section will have some photos you can compare..


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