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mike_nepa
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« Reply #160 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:03pm »
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Ties and tie plates are still in place. This is unusual.

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« Reply #161 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:04pm »
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Here, the railbed REALLY narrows down as it is unused except by ATV's

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« Reply #162 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:04pm »
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We are now in Brandt.

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« Reply #163 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:08pm »
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Ok now continuing on.

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« Reply #164 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:09pm »
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This area is also planned for a re-visit as you can see just how narrow it is and not much can be seen.

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« Reply #165 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:11pm »
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I must apologize for the poor quality of this picture as I didn't realize at the time my camera was messing up. We did a re-visit north of here because of this.  Anyway, some serious erosion has occurred here and later the same year (2006) it was completely destroyed cutting off the railbed.

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« Reply #166 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:14pm »
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This picture is not mine, but came from the "D&H Trail Tenders Website" This shows emergency work was done to restore the railbed. The photo was taken late 2008. Before that, this part was completely gone.

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« Reply #167 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:16pm »
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This is what it looked like before it was repaired. (sorry its out of order)

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« Reply #168 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:17pm »
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Now crossing a re-decked bridge. The second span is bare.

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« Reply #169 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:18pm »
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Hey my 1,000th post!
 
A closer look at the span, again sorry about the image quality.


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« Reply #170 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:20pm »
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This is a bit north but I wanted to post this one now because it will be important later. This is north of brandt and we returned to this area this year and the change here is dramatic.  
 
After some sections with little remains, we are coming up on some good stuff  
 


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« Reply #171 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:23pm »
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Here is the same bridge today.

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« Reply #172 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:24pm »
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This was unusual, a small abutment lower down. This did not make sense as you travel backwards, it climbs and re-joins the railbed.
 
Later on it will make sense.


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« Reply #173 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:25pm »
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The other abutment is hard to make out but is seen. The bridge we are standing on is the later construction. The bare one is the older one. So originally this bridge did not exist.

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« Reply #174 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 7:27pm »
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This area is known as "Jefferson Junction" There was a track that diverged off to the left here and climbed up to join the Erie line on the south side of the Starucca Viaduct. This was in use down to Brandt up to 1985 since they used this area while the Beldin Tunnel was being repaired.

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« Reply #175 on: Apr 20th, 2009, 9:42pm »
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on Apr 20th, 2009, 7:03pm, mike_nepa wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ties and tie plates are still in place. This is unusual.

 
It's rare but not unexpected.  I have found occasional ties, patches of ballast and even spikes on former railbeds in uptate NY. Even the best salvage crews leave a few things behind.


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« Reply #176 on: Apr 21st, 2009, 6:17am »
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Oh I have run across tie plates and spikes quite a bit, I didn't post those pictures because it was unimportant. As I said, there really isn't much left along the Penn Division. Seeing ties in place with the plates still attached was different.  
 
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« Reply #177 on: Apr 21st, 2009, 3:47pm »
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Gotta appologize to everyone - I just removed the wrong post while trying to clean up my inadvertent double post !!!    I accidentally scuppered the later version of the double post wherein I asked about finding water tower foundations. As a result of my error, some very good answers by mike_nepa will look like they came out of nowhere. This is all my fault and I appologize !!!
 
Now about finding orphanned ties - one fun thing to do is to look for the old "Date Nails" which have the last two digits of the year the tie was installed. Some RR's placed these in the center of the tie.  (I can recall seeing 1928 crossties on the then-active lower Putnam Division of the former NYCRR circa 1980! Those ties were decaying but still sound enough for a little-used line.)
 
Those little locked boxes are seen next to electrically-operated switches and also sometimes at manually operated switches which are interlocked to the signal system. (Throwing switch changes signal aspect.) Lots of other places.  Check the locks to see if they are stamped "Signal Dept".  
 
Near the old pipe-connected signal towers, there will be sort of "underpasses" where the push-pull "rods" (which were actually pipes, to save weight) went under the track(s).  This will survive as a little concrete pit on each side of the track with a small passage going under the track. There would have been one or more  vertical metal shafts, each carrying two crank arms, in each pit.
 
The old pipe-connected interlockings were labor-intensive. A Signal Maintainer had to keep everything greased and free from snow and ice.  
 
Have you ever considered re-erecting the downed mileposts? If you do not have the ability to do this, perhaps you could pass the suggestion to the Rail-Trail people?


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« Reply #178 on: Apr 21st, 2009, 4:11pm »
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This is a closeup of the lock, all it says is "BACO"
 
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« Reply #179 on: Apr 21st, 2009, 4:15pm »
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on Apr 21st, 2009, 3:47pm, SouthBendModel34 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
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Near the old pipe-connected signal towers, there will be sort of "underpasses" where the push-pull "rods" (which were actually pipes, to save weight) went under the track(s).  This will survive as a little concrete pit on each side of the track with a small passage going under the track. There would have been one or more  vertical metal shafts, each carrying two crank arms, in each pit.
 
The old pipe-connected interlockings were labor-intensive. A Signal Maintainer had to keep everything greased and free from snow and ice.  
 
Have you ever considered re-erecting the downed mileposts? If you do not have the ability to do this, perhaps you could pass the suggestion to the Rail-Trail people?
  

 
 
I did not see such metal pipe or anything under the railbed in relation to the signal bases. Being metal, they may have been scrapped out as well.  
 
The rail-trail council is debating about erecting mileposts and it probably wouldn't be that hard to re-erecting the toppled ones. They are all intact. It would be good to have the original ones back up and restored.  
 
Mike


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