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« Reply #20 on: Jun 29th, 2005, 6:35pm »
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And I have seen pictures of Lehigh Valley freight trains going over Ararat Summit near Carbondale, Pa with big Alco C-628's at the head end.

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« Reply #21 on: Jun 30th, 2005, 3:49pm »
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LV and D&H had the only Alco C-628 pool in history.  D&H also included U-30C, U-33Cs and Sharks to these runs between Coxton and Binghamton.  D&H power also sometimes ran up the LV to Buffalo or Auburn.  
 
There are three books that cover joint D&H/LV operations in detail: Lehigh Valley In Color, Lehigh Valley Railroad: Wyoming & Buffalo Divisions and Tracksdie Around Sayre.  The latter two books also show a few shots of D&H running on EL.  Probably the most interesting pic is taken from the cab of the LV Elmira branch local, showing a joint D&H/El train running between Gang Mills and Bingo.  Check 'em out!      


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« Reply #22 on: Jun 30th, 2005, 9:26pm »
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I lived in Binghamton for the first couple of years of my life(im only 15). But i cant remember ever seeing any D&H motive power. Its sad. Ive seen some pretty odd railroads in Binghamton but never the D&H.

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« Reply #23 on: Jul 1st, 2005, 9:41am »
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Hey alco,
 The reason you really didn't see any D&H motive power was because really the D&H was nonexistent at that time, Guilford industries took over the D&H in the mind 80's and then Guilford dumped the D&H in bankruptcie then the NYS&W took over D&H operations for a while until a buyer could be found for the railroads, then eventually CP bought the D&H in 1993. There was still D&H diesels roaming around but that was about it.  It was sad to see the Mighty D&H railroad being thrown around between different railroads companies.


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Boiler Pressure: 245
Coal: 22 tons
Water: 22,000 gallons
Retired: 1958
Used on the famous High Iron Excursions
http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/steamtown/shs2o.htm
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« Reply #24 on: Jul 1st, 2005, 11:54am »
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on Jul 1st, 2005, 9:41am, NKP759fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hey alco,
 The reason you really didn't see any D&H motive power was because really the D&H was nonexistent at that time, Guilford industries took over the D&H in the mind 80's and then Guilford dumped the D&H in bankruptcie then the NYS&W took over D&H operations for a while until a buyer could be found for the railroads, then eventually CP bought the D&H in 1993. There was still D&H diesels roaming around but that was about it.  It was sad to see the Mighty D&H railroad being thrown around between different railroads companies.

 
I caught one of the three D&H units (7304) in Albany heading to Kenwood Yard on a transfer run on Tuesday. No photos, I was on the road, and just happened to glance to the left and saw it.


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« Reply #25 on: Jul 1st, 2005, 12:12pm »
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According to the D&H Yahoo Group, the 7303 is being shipped to Calgary, and will possibly get CP paint.  

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« Reply #26 on: Jul 1st, 2005, 12:24pm »
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I went up on the D&H again, and caught a few trains. Full report here.
 
http://forums.railfan.net/forums.cgi?board=CP;action=display;num=1116278050;start=0#2


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« Reply #27 on: Jul 1st, 2005, 3:44pm »
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on Jul 1st, 2005, 12:12pm, dougal wrote:       (Click here for original message)
According to the D&H Yahoo Group, the 7303 is being shipped to Calgary, and will possibly get CP paint.  

 
Man I hope the 7303 is not going to be repainted in ugly CP paint scheme. Keep the D&H. Yesterday, I was in Moosic, Pa and saw 7312, a D&H GP-38 in the Lightning Scheme. There was a CP engine behind it and it was pulling abouy 20 boxcars.


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« Reply #28 on: Jul 6th, 2005, 3:35pm »
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One of those Geeps was assigned to Corinth branch for a time in the late '90s.  That was probably the last time I saw a locomotive operating in Lightning Stripes.  The unit was reassigned when the paper mill in Corinth ceased operations (circa 2001), ending regular operations on the branch.  
 
Guilford repainted alot of the ex-D&H units duting the '80s and CP slapped a coat of red paint on most of the survivors they inherited when they took over in the early '90s. Unfortunately, alcoc420, this happened before you were old enough to recognize what you were seeing.  Please don't take that comment the wrong way- I wish you could a set of "Stripes" thundering down the track. CP doesn't MU the GP38-2s, or do they?


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« Reply #29 on: Jul 6th, 2005, 3:47pm »
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Well over the weekend, D&H 7312 was at Steamtown in the lighting stripe scheme and although it was a little dirty it looked great! I saw the 7312 a few days ago roaring with a freight train in Taylor yard, looked very good.


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Built: August 1944
Builder: Lima Locomotives Works
Driver diameter: 69 inches
Boiler Pressure: 245
Coal: 22 tons
Water: 22,000 gallons
Retired: 1958
Used on the famous High Iron Excursions
http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/steamtown/shs2o.htm
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« Reply #30 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 5:04pm »
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The purchase of the high speed Challengers and Northerns began the shift from a double track [and in some places 3,4 &5 tracks] to a high speed single track system. Before that point, the D&H was a low speed coal drag railroad that required many passing sidings.  Interestingly the shift to single track continues 'til today. CP shortened many sidings near Oneonta just a few years ago.

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« Reply #31 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 6:31pm »
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The "J" class Challengers and the Northerns really revolutionized the D&H. But I think more railroads today are pushing for double track mains. More cost effective and less holdups for trains.

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Boiler Pressure: 245
Coal: 22 tons
Water: 22,000 gallons
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« Reply #32 on: Jul 26th, 2005, 8:48pm »
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Capacity is definitely an issue today. This the case even on the former D&H mainline, which only hosts a dozen or so trains per day.

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« Reply #33 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 9:23am »
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Well Guys,
 I will be on a trip to Europe for the next month so Amgrunt and x600, take over moderator duties . Keep everything in line boys, and I look forward to how the board is doing when I get back.


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« Reply #34 on: Jul 27th, 2005, 8:33pm »
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You lucky dog!  Bring back some European train pics, or least some stories...  

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« Reply #35 on: Aug 5th, 2005, 5:50am »
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Well my relatives just got the internet so I am posting again from Poland. The only trains I have seen in Poland have been diesels. There is the Polish State Railway museum but it is a long distance from where I am, and with fuel prices here, it would be too costly. But I would love to see European steam on the mainline like a the railway musuem.

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« Reply #36 on: Aug 5th, 2005, 5:57am »
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To change the subject here. I find the D&H Penn Division preserved as it was in the Steam Era. Telegraph poles are still there, 95% of them still have all insulators on them. Old signal bridges still stand. I could just picture the D&H steam era there. I would like to go for a ride on it one day from Steamtown. I just love reminiscing how things once were, in a time when life was much simpler, in a time when steam roamed the rails and diesels were a thing of the future. Oh how I wish I was born in the steam era. I would have no doubt about it put an application to work on the great Delaware & Hudson Railway Co. I wish there was a D&H historical society closer to my area.

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Built: August 1944
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Coal: 22 tons
Water: 22,000 gallons
Retired: 1958
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« Reply #37 on: Aug 8th, 2005, 1:43pm »
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Hey Guys,  
 I see the D&H thread is a little slow right now. I was just thinking. If the D&H could have held itself from Bankruptcy until the mid 90's it could have still been here today. Since the rail traffic boom started in the 90's, the D&H could have been a strong Bridge Line Again. If CP didn't buy the D&H it would of had to do some interchange traffic with the D&H and  maybe down south near Wilkes Barre NS would interchange with the D&H. It would have been great if Coal Mining started again in NEPA, because of all the rising fuel prices and everthing, coal could once again be a major fuel source. Just think, if the D&H was still around. I wouldn't know what kind of engines they would be running but seeing a trio of "Lightning Scheme" diesels roar by at a crossing in the northeast instead of CP or NS units roaring by. I don't have anything against CP or NS, maybe against NS for ending their steam program. But if the D&H held out for a few more years it might have been still around today. Just something to think about on a slow day.


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Coal: 22 tons
Water: 22,000 gallons
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« Reply #38 on: Aug 10th, 2005, 8:20pm »
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Take a look at my post at: http://forums.railfan.net/forums.cgi?board=DH;action=display;num=1115076903  and let me know what you think.  Since that time, I've thought about the possbility of D&H purchasing LV as well, to provide a direct connection to N&W/NS in Buffalo.  However, that seems less likely, since LV's online traffic base was much weaker than EL, especially between Buffalo and Sayre.  But again, D&H probably would've been swallowed up by NS or one of the Canadian lines so I doubt it would still be an independant line today.

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« Reply #39 on: Aug 11th, 2005, 4:00am »
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I was thinking the same thing.  

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