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Rocket
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Banner Test
 
« on: Jan 7th, 2007, 12:31pm »
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I know what a banner test is. It is used to test a crews train handling ability, however I dont know what happens during one. Just a few questions. What happens during a banner test?, and what does a banner look like. A picture of one would be great, Thank You.

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« Reply #1 on: Jan 12th, 2007, 8:25am »
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CSX uses something simular to this, with a flashing red light and 2 flags on it.
 
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As to what happens, never been banner tested yet, but usually you get boarded and maybe they will check your bulletins and stuff to make sure you got them.


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« Reply #2 on: Jan 13th, 2007, 10:47pm »
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I've witnessed two such 'tests'. Not very exciting and damn impossible to fail from what I saw. Here's the evaluators setting the barrier

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« Reply #3 on: Jan 13th, 2007, 10:50pm »
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Taken at the crossroads at Greenwich, Ohio, in the distance is the test subject having left the yards at Willard.

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« Reply #4 on: Jan 13th, 2007, 10:54pm »
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The testers watching from their vehicle on how the train crew will react. The suspense was overwhelming  


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« Reply #5 on: Jan 13th, 2007, 10:56pm »
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The crew coming into the bend at a very slow speed (it was almost like they knew something was ahead).

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« Reply #6 on: Jan 13th, 2007, 11:00pm »
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The train stopped 50 feet from the barrier, the crew made their radio transmission advising of the blocked rail, the testers removed the barrier and without boarding the train, allowed it to proceed having been satisfied with the crews' response

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« Reply #7 on: Jan 14th, 2007, 12:16am »
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on Jan 13th, 2007, 10:47pm, Coffee wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I've witnessed two such 'tests'. Not very exciting and damn impossible to fail from what I saw. Here's the evaluators setting the barrier

I know of 1 crew that failed...but they failed cuz to everyone from T&E, the test was wrong.  That blizzard that Buffalo had a few months back, the company set up a fake warning board.  By rule, if you come across one, you must be able to stop in 2 miles.  With 15 speed restrictions on the subdivision, by the time checked their bulletins, it was too late and demolished the banner.


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« Reply #8 on: Jan 15th, 2007, 4:18pm »
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Thanks alot everyone, I was just curious to know what the banner looks like, the pictures helped a ton.

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« Reply #9 on: Jun 17th, 2007, 3:35am »
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Yeah running these is like running a stop signal.I have been bannered twice in one day.one of those times was on a shove move.Usually a road foremen, trainmaster or terminal superintendent does these.Usually you know what might be ahead.Cause some of these checks will set the signals for instance you get an approach then a restricting.Especially if you know nothing is ahead of you.Then its usually a banner.Unless the road formen wants to get stupid and do a banner by waving a flare violently and standing in the gage of a track.We had that happen once.We passed a clear indication and about a mile or so down we saw sa flare waving.We were doing 50 at the time.We had to shoot the brakes or we would have ran the road formen over.But yeah you usually have an idea of what is going on.They try to be slick but they got to work on that I guess!

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« Reply #10 on: Jun 17th, 2007, 8:27pm »
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on Jun 17th, 2007, 3:35am, NS_conductor wrote:       (Click here for original message)
We had to shoot the brakes or we would have ran the road formen over.

 
Oh stupid RFE.  And what if the train derailed from the emergency application??


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« Reply #11 on: Jun 18th, 2007, 10:18pm »
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on Jun 17th, 2007, 8:27pm, prostock19 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Oh stupid RFE.  And what if the train derailed from the emergency application??
They would hang the crew of course.
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« Reply #12 on: Jan 24th, 2015, 10:51pm »
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On CSX you can not be banner tested while running on any signal more favorable than restricting or restricted proceed. If your running on a clear and encounter a banner you can begin to slow via good train handling techniques (not shooting them) and plow through it with no worries of being reprimanded. A banner is set up to test whether a crew can stop the train within one half the range of vision (restricted speed). Thus you will never encounter a banner test while running on either clear or approach.  

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« Reply #13 on: Jan 25th, 2015, 8:14pm »
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Thanks for the added info Bamawoods, and welcome to The Forums!
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