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Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 8:03pm
I went exploring several weeks ago and here's what I found on the CNJ Southern Division.
 
Hope you like them.
 
Ken
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 8:07pm
CNJ tracks leading
to the abandoned factory
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 8:10pm
Location - ELM - Pine Barrens
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 8:12pm
Leaving ELM to Winslow Junction
near farm
08/2004
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 8:34pm
CNJ - Hampton
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 8:45pm
Pasadena - Savoy Blvd.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 8:47pm
An old Conrail Switch - Date on switch 4/84
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 8:50pm
A working switch - Pasadena
Win a prize and move it all the way  
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 8:53pm
CNJ Bridge crossing RT 72
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 9:03pm
Before and after on the CNJ crossing Rt72  
Before photo furnished by Robert A. Staples web site  
Trail of the Blue Comet  
http://thebluecomet.com/  
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 9:09pm
Lakehurst -8/04
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 9:16pm
On the way to Lakewood
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 9:19pm
Near Union Avenue
Lakehurst
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 9:22pm
Deep into the Pines.
From Union Avenue, follow CNJ tracks
south.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 9:26pm
Leaving Elm. Next stop is Winslow Jct.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 9:31pm
Finally made it  
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 9:35pm
What can I say about this one  
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 31st, 2004, 9:38pm
To Bridgeton and for another time  
Posted by: Charlie_O Posted on: Sep 1st, 2004, 12:05am
!!!   !!!
 
Ken...what a great tracker's report!  Between you and Hummel, I never need to leave my office.
 
You really hit all the nooks and crannies.  I musta driven thru Whitings a hundred times on the way to Island Beach, but never took the time out to trace the rails thru the Pineys.  And you did the whole abandonment...from Lakehurst to Winslow?!  
 
I'll have to take a good long look at these pix again in the morning, too tired now, but am very impressed.  
 
A few questions...
1. When did CR abandon this line? (Am guessing not long after that 1984 switch was installed.)
2. You have a year on that contributed shot of the CNJ power crossing the trestle?
3. That one stretch of straight ROW looks very clear for an abandoned line.  Am guessing that's the active CSAO line to Lakewood, yes?
 
-Charlie
Posted by: F3_4_me Posted on: Sep 1st, 2004, 5:46am
Conrail took the line out of service in 1977 or 1978, and never ran anything on it again.  However, Clayton Sand & Gravel (that sounds right) ran from either Chatsworth or Woodmansie up to Lakehurst, for a few years in the eighties.  They used GP9's from the Ashland Railway of Ohio.  
 
  Mike
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 1st, 2004, 8:15am
on Sep 1st, 2004, 12:05am, Charlie_O wrote:       (Click here for original message)
!!!   !!!
 
Ken...what a great tracker's report!  Between you and Hummel, I never need to leave my office.
 
You really hit all the nooks and crannies.  I musta driven thru Whitings a hundred times on the way to Island Beach, but never took the time out to trace the rails thru the Pineys.  And you did the whole abandonment...from Lakehurst to Winslow?!  
 
I'll have to take a good long look at these pix again in the morning, too tired now, but am very impressed.  
 
A few questions...
1. When did CR abandon this line? (Am guessing not long after that 1984 switch was installed.)
2. You have a year on that contributed shot of the CNJ power crossing the trestle?
3. That one stretch of straight ROW looks very clear for an abandoned line.  Am guessing that's the active CSAO line to Lakewood, yes?
 
-Charlie

 
 
Charlie,
 
Thanks - I was concerned that I was adding too many pic again as I posted quite a few pics on the Lehigh Valley forum as well as the Paulisnskill thread. But as long as I'm not taking too much hard disk space, I will post some of my earlier expeditions through the state.
 
Going through the Pines is probably my favorite since some of the areas are a little difficult to get to. The only problem is not to venture into the Pines during the summer since there are many chiggers and ticks. When I do, I never wear shorts.
 
If anyone is interesteg in going on an expedition, just let me know.
 
Check out the Swartswood topic on this forum too.
 
Regards,
 
Ken
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 1st, 2004, 8:17am
on Sep 1st, 2004, 5:46am, F3_4_me wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Conrail took the line out of service in 1977 or 1978, and never ran anything on it again.  However, Clayton Sand & Gravel (that sounds right) ran from either Chatsworth or Woodmansie up to Lakehurst, for a few years in the eighties.  They used GP9's from the Ashland Railway of Ohio.  
 
  Mike

 
 
Mike,
 
You're correct and this would make sense to Charlie's question regarding why the brush is sooooo overgrown past this area. I think in about 5 years, we will never be able to see anything in that area again  
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 1st, 2004, 8:26am
on Sep 1st, 2004, 12:05am, Charlie_O wrote:       (Click here for original message)
!!!   !!!
 
Ken...what a great tracker's report!  Between you and Hummel, I never need to leave my office.
 
You really hit all the nooks and crannies.  I musta driven thru Whitings a hundred times on the way to Island Beach, but never took the time out to trace the rails thru the Pineys.  And you did the whole abandonment...from Lakehurst to Winslow?!  
 
I'll have to take a good long look at these pix again in the morning, too tired now, but am very impressed.  
 
A few questions...
1. When did CR abandon this line? (Am guessing not long after that 1984 switch was installed.)
2. You have a year on that contributed shot of the CNJ power crossing the trestle?
3. That one stretch of straight ROW looks very clear for an abandoned line.  Am guessing that's the active CSAO line to Lakewood, yes?
 
-Charlie

 
 
Charlie,
 
I believe that shot was taken either 1974 or 1975 but I will check with Bob for sure.
 
I also believe Clayton Sand was the company that was used to supply the sand for the Meadlowland and Turnpike projects. I bet someone at this company must have tons of rail photos.
Ken
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 1st, 2004, 2:38pm
Parkdale 08/04  
Rails paved over  
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 1st, 2004, 2:47pm
on Sep 1st, 2004, 5:46am, F3_4_me wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Conrail took the line out of service in 1977 or 1978, and never ran anything on it again.  However, Clayton Sand & Gravel (that sounds right) ran from either Chatsworth or Woodmansie up to Lakehurst, for a few years in the eighties.  They used GP9's from the Ashland Railway of Ohio.  
 
  Mike

 
 
Mike,
 
Did you ever meet the people at Angelo's deli in Winslow? The store is about 1/2 miles east.
 
My first trip to Winslow Junction was about 7 years ago and I got lost trying to find it
  So, I stopped in to ask the owner of the store where it was. The kid behind the desk was so amazed that someone would inquire about this place that he ran into the back of the store to get his father.
 
When the father appeared, he had told me that *his* father had remembered the wreck that took place in 1922. He then went to the back of the store and brought out some of the pictures that were taken.
 
I wish they had digital cameras, or affordable ones if the were around, as I would have loved to add them to my collection.
 
Unfortunately, wouldn't you know, the store is up for sale and I was unable to locate any neighbors in the area at the time that may have known where they moved to.
 
I hope that they were just selling the store and didn't move since they lived just across the street since the Grandfather took those pictures.
 
I will be heading down there again this weekend to get Winslow to Bridgeton.
 
Ken
Posted by: F3_4_me Posted on: Sep 2nd, 2004, 12:59am
Sorry Ken, but I'm from PA.  I was only to Winslow once, back in '95 (I was that damn kid that ran in front of the photo line--I didn't know!!).  Good luck with the next batch, and thanks for the ones you took!  
 
  Mike
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 2nd, 2004, 7:15am
on Sep 1st, 2004, 12:05am, Charlie_O wrote:       (Click here for original message)
!!!   !!!
 
Ken...what a great tracker's report!  Between you and Hummel, I never need to leave my office.
 
You really hit all the nooks and crannies.  I musta driven thru Whitings a hundred times on the way to Island Beach, but never took the time out to trace the rails thru the Pineys.  And you did the whole abandonment...from Lakehurst to Winslow?!  
 
I'll have to take a good long look at these pix again in the morning, too tired now, but am very impressed.  
 
A few questions...
1. When did CR abandon this line? (Am guessing not long after that 1984 switch was installed.)
2. You have a year on that contributed shot of the CNJ power crossing the trestle?
3. That one stretch of straight ROW looks very clear for an abandoned line.  Am guessing that's the active CSAO line to Lakewood, yes?
 
-Charlie

 
 
Charlie,
 
Here's the answer from Robert Staples on the bridge over RT72
 
Ken,
 
 
 
The photo you are inquiring about was of CNJ train JS-1 and it was taken in July 1975.
 
Since the train usually left Lakehurst around 7pm, it was only possible to get a shot during the long summer days.  Since they were doing some trackwork in the area, the speed limit had been raised from 10 mph to 25 mph.  The CNJ had spent around $500,000 of state money on trackwork that year and within 7 months the line was virtually dead.  Some planning.
 
 
 
Thanks for your letter.
 
 
 
Bob
 
 
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 2nd, 2004, 7:16am
on Sep 2nd, 2004, 12:59am, F3_4_me wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Sorry Ken, but I'm from PA.  I was only to Winslow once, back in '95 (I was that damn kid that ran in front of the photo line--I didn't know!!).  Good luck with the next batch, and thanks for the ones you took!  
 
  Mike

 
Thanks Mike.
 
What areas of PA do you railfan?
 
Ken
Posted by: F3_4_me Posted on: Sep 3rd, 2004, 2:13am
 I'm a homebody--I always stuck around Carbon County/Lehigh Valley myself.  Some of my best times were with a buddy down in Emmaus.  Park in the firehall lot in the evening, and for a 45 minute drive from Lehighton, the trains were great!  
 
  Plus, just knowing the local crews on NS and R&N made things fun.  Thing is, I haven't been home steadily in over two years, so when I go home, the crews and the railroad has changed enough for me to feel nostalgic for 2001/02!
 
  Mike
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 6:52pm
Chatsworth Station - Now used as a residence.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 6:55pm
CNJ - Chatworth
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 6:58pm
To Atsion from Chatsworth.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 7:02pm
Near what was once Harris St. on the CNJ
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 7:12pm
Applie Pie Hill- Another mysterious place in the Pine Barrens
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 7:14pm
Another shot at the approximate location at Harris St. looking north towars Whitings
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 7:21pm
Take this path about 40 yards to see a trestle. This is located on Union Avenue in Lakehurst.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 7:24pm
CNJ/Conrail - Untion Avenue, Lakehurst.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 7:28pm
This area is Conrail Shared Assets. Not in the picture to the left heads towards Toms River Industrial Complex.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 7:31pm
Facing North towards Lakewood. About a few miles to the north there should be tracks leading to Lakehurst Naval Base.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 7:37pm
The location of the former Lakehusrt Station  
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 7:39pm
Heading into the pines. Not far from here (40 yards) you will come across a trestle.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 7:59pm
For really nice pictures, see Robert A. Staples web site at
http://thebluecomet.com
Posted by: BC_and_A_railway Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 9:13pm
what were those old rail  cars in the last page?
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Sep 8th, 2004, 10:23pm
Ken,
      This is one heck of a trip you are taking us on.     Holy smokes!
You must be commended for all of this work you've trecked out on and documented.
      I for one, have been looking forward to your new installments.  It's as if we're all travelling down the line with you.  And that is realizism at it's best.
    ..........Eddie
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 9th, 2004, 6:20am
on Sep 8th, 2004, 9:13pm, BC_and_A_railway wrote:       (Click here for original message)
what were those old rail  cars in the last page?

 
BC,
 
Sorry but I don't remember. I will, however, take a look at some of my notes as I'm sure I must have written it down.
 
Ken
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 9th, 2004, 6:33am
on Sep 8th, 2004, 10:23pm, Eddie M. wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ken,
      This is one heck of a trip you are taking us on.     Holy smokes!
You must be commended for all of this work you've trecked out on and documented.
      I for one, have been looking forward to your new installments.  It's as if we're all travelling down the line with you.  And that is realizism at it's best.
              ..........Eddie

 
Hello Eddie,
 
I'm glad you're enjoying the trip as I did. In several weeks from now, Iwill start with the second phase of the trip which is from Winslow Junction down to Bridgeton.
 
In the meantime, take a look at the Sussex Branch of the DL&W:
http://forums.railfan.net/forums.cgi?board=Lackawanna;action=display;num=1094497265 as I've added some additional pictures and also
 
The DL&W Cut-off as I jist posted some additional shots here:
 
http://forums.railfan.net/forums.cgi?board=Lackawanna;action=display;num=1089246354
 
Upstate NY :Cooperstown & Charlotte Valley
http://forums.railfan.net/forums.cgi?board=AllTourist;action=display;num=1094688713
 
Pemberton & Highstown Railroad:
 
http://forums.railfan.net/forums.cgi?board=GenShorts;action=display;num=1060696019;start=40
 
 
More to follow
 
Ken
Posted by: trainwatcher1100 Posted on: Sep 9th, 2004, 6:44am
Ken -
 
Thanks again for your bittersweet pictures. The Pinelands were crawling with rail activity in their heydey, and it's still hard to accept that most of it is gone for good. To think that trains once ran out of Whitings in five directions! These days, judging by the trees between the tracks, the only thing CSAO shares its assets with is Mother Nature...
 
Bob
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 9th, 2004, 7:01am
on Sep 9th, 2004, 6:44am, trainwatcher1100 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ken -
 
Thanks again for your bittersweet pictures. The Pinelands were crawling with rail activity in their heydey, and it's still hard to accept that most of it is gone for good. To think that trains once ran out of Whitings in five directions! These days, judging by the trees between the tracks, the only thing CSAO shares its assets with is Mother Nature...
 
Bob

 
 
Bob,
 
Many thanks for the kind words. Knowing that there are others that share the same hobby is great and keeps me going with the posting.
 
A friend of mine in Chatsworth has informed me that an owner of an excursion train in Vermont has put in a permit to operate an excursion train from Chatsworth to Whitings, I believe. Wouldn't that be great if it gets approved  
 
Ken
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 9th, 2004, 7:05am
on Sep 9th, 2004, 6:44am, trainwatcher1100 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ken -
 
Thanks again for your bittersweet pictures. The Pinelands were crawling with rail activity in their heydey, and it's still hard to accept that most of it is gone for good. To think that trains once ran out of Whitings in five directions! These days, judging by the trees between the tracks, the only thing CSAO shares its assets with is Mother Nature...
 
Bob

 
Bob,
 
Well said  
 
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 9th, 2004, 3:43pm
Bob and Eddie,
 
Here's what would've been real nice to see  
Posted by: trainwatcher1100 Posted on: Sep 9th, 2004, 6:39pm
on Sep 9th, 2004, 3:43pm, njvike wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Bob and Eddie,
 
Here's what would've been real nice to see  

 
Oh, wow - from your keyboard to God's ears! My office is in nearby Medford (another place with some serious rail history), and I would gladly cut out early and "go home sick" to catch that sight in person!
 
Love these what-if creations of yours. Have you ever considered getting a job with Disney's Imagineering Department?
 
Bob
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 9th, 2004, 7:11pm
on Sep 9th, 2004, 6:39pm, trainwatcher1100 wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
Oh, wow - from your keyboard to God's ears! My office is in nearby Medford (another place with some serious rail history), and I would gladly cut out early and "go home sick" to catch that sight in person!
 
Love these what-if creations of yours. Have you ever considered getting a job with Disney's Imagineering Department?
 
Bob

 
 
Bob,
 
Me too and I live two hours away!!!  
 
As far as the pictures are concerned, part of my regular responsibilities is being a webmaster. So, I have a little experience with design and really enjoy doing these what-if scenarios.
 
I'm glad you liked it and there will be more coming.
 
Also, I had the pleasure of visiting the Pemberton Train Museum in your area and they have plenty of train books and rail artifacts. The person who runs the museum is very knowledgeable.
 
There was once a railroad many years ago called the Union Transportation Company that very few people know of. According the the historian at the museum, this was one of the few profitable railroads ever.
 
I have a book from Henry Charlton Beck titled "The Jersey Midlands" There's a picture of an old small engine (looks like a camelback) that was moved from the rails to someone's yard during the 1940s. I would love to find it but have the feeling it was scrapped.
 
Have you ever heard of this railroad?
 
Also, check under the PRR forum. I have some pictures that show the approximate location of Upton Station. This RR eventually crossed in Whitings with the CNJ and Tuckerton Railroad.
 
I like the are you live in. You are so close, or in, the Pine Barrens which is a lot of fun to explore.
 
Ken
Posted by: trainwatcher1100 Posted on: Sep 10th, 2004, 6:36am
Ken -
 
Henry Charlton Beck? I LOVE his books! I devoured our library's entire collection in my early teens when I lived in North Jersey, and spent many hours daydreaming about the hidden treasures of the Pinelands. (Who could resist the lure of places like Ong's Hat?) Unfortunately, by the time I came back from college and had the time to go exploring, all the back roads had been paved, most of the little towns had "modernized," and much of the mystery was gone.
 
Never saw the Union Transportation Company in action, but have always been curious about it. As I understand it, they leased their entire physical plant from the PRR. Along with military traffic, maybe their lessor/operator status was one key to their profitability - they weren't saddled with construction debt or property taxes. The UTC's main claim to fame was that they operated with PRR's 0-6-0 #5244, which, when retired, was PRR's last operating steam loco. I believe she survives at the Pine Creek RR in Allaire. Could that be the one in the photo?
 
Oh, and just for the record, I live in PA and only work in Medford. I don't mind the commute - I get to eyeball the NEC, CSAO's industrial spur in Bristol, River Line light rail, and the Mt Holly secondary along the way. Just wish all those gates would come down in front of me more often!
 
Bob
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Sep 10th, 2004, 8:16am
on Sep 10th, 2004, 6:36am, trainwatcher1100 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ken -
 
Henry Charlton Beck? I LOVE his books! I devoured our library's entire collection in my early teens when I lived in North Jersey, and spent many hours daydreaming about the hidden treasures of the Pinelands. (Who could resist the lure of places like Ong's Hat?) Unfortunately, by the time I came back from college and had the time to go exploring, all the back roads had been paved, most of the little towns had "modernized," and much of the mystery was gone.
 
Never saw the Union Transportation Company in action, but have always been curious about it. As I understand it, they leased their entire physical plant from the PRR. Along with military traffic, maybe their lessor/operator status was one key to their profitability - they weren't saddled with construction debt or property taxes. The UTC's main claim to fame was that they operated with PRR's 0-6-0 #5244, which, when retired, was PRR's last operating steam loco. I believe she survives at the Pine Creek RR in Allaire. Could that be the one in the photo?
 
Oh, and just for the record, I live in PA and only work in Medford. I don't mind the commute - I get to eyeball the NEC, CSAO's industrial spur in Bristol, River Line light rail, and the Mt Holly secondary along the way. Just wish all those gates would come down in front of me more often!
 
Bob

 
Bob,
 
Yes, Beck was some author. He knew had to make the past come to life; I still have all of his books and still read them from time-to-time. He's the reason why I venture down into the Pines.  
 
I belong to another web site that discusses the Pines. It's the best one out there, IMHO. Go to http://njpinebarrens.com  You'll like the discussion and photos that we've taken.
 
Here, we discuss hidden treasures and have found some of the forgotten towns that do still exist; at least the ruins still do. We have found Calico, Martha Furnace, Harrisville (a CNJ customer) and many other areas.
 
What I really like about the Pines is that there are still RR remains in a lot of the areas.
 
As far as Marlton, I didn't realize that you commuted that far. Is it a bad commute meaning traffic and so fourth? How did you do when the flooding hit the area?
 
I will look in Beck's book to see that UTC engine and let you know.
 
Good talking with you.
 
Ken
Posted by: MachinistBoy46 Posted on: Dec 9th, 2004, 9:44pm
  Hey all-
        Sorry I`m waaaay late on this thread, but i just got my screename not too long ago.   Great pics NJVike.     I`m 17, and live in Lakewood, about 1/2 mile from the Southern Division.  I hop in my car and go chase the twice a week local when I can.  Its sad to think that Lakehurst, once the epicenter of the railroad with multiple sidings and stations and activity, is kinda just an overgrown quiet end of the line.  What scares me is that south of Lakehurst there were so many <a target="_blank" href=" http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=Business">business</a>es served by rail, and now its all dead.....the current in service part of the Southern only serves 4 lumber companies, and its scary to think what would happen to the line if they were to fold.    NJVIKE--are all the crossings south of Lakehurst paved over or just some?  Just curious.     Ok i`ll stop rambling now    Take care - Chris
Posted by: MachinistBoy46 Posted on: Dec 9th, 2004, 9:45pm
  Have NO CLUE how that weird link got in there......ignore it     sorry.   -Chris
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Dec 10th, 2004, 6:36am
on Dec 9th, 2004, 9:44pm, MachinistBoy46 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
  Hey all-
                       Sorry I`m waaaay late on this thread, but i just got my screename not too long ago.   Great pics NJVike.     I`m 17, and live in Lakewood, about 1/2 mile from the Southern Division.  I hop in my car and go chase the twice a week local when I can.  Its sad to think that Lakehurst, once the epicenter of the railroad with multiple sidings and stations and activity, is kinda just an overgrown quiet end of the line.  What scares me is that south of Lakehurst there were so many <a target="_blank" href=" http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=Business">business</a>es served by rail, and now its all dead.....the current in service part of the Southern only serves 4 lumber companies, and its scary to think what would happen to the line if they were to fold.    NJVIKE--are all the crossings south of Lakehurst paved over or just some?  Just curious.     Ok i`ll stop rambling now         Take care      - Chris

 
 
Hello Chris,
 
My in-laws live just several miles from there and I sometimes drive by hoping to see anything going on but I was never that lucky I have seen in the past, some cars left there on Union Blvd. but have yet to see anything. I'm glad that you were able to do so.
 
I've heard that NJT is trying to restore passenger service on this rail. Have you heard anything about it at all?
 
As far as the tracks being paved over south of Lakehurst, not all of it is. Especially in the Pines. I think Conrail just said it wasn't worth it because nobody really travels in the Pines where it would be an issue. Up until 5 years ago, the tracks did cross Chatsworth before they were stolen and scrapped. Further south, the tracks were paved over on RT206 but not further north heading back to Lakehurst.
 
I was going to be joining the CNJ historical society just a few moments ago as they were going to explore the CNJ from Winslow Junction to Bridgeton but unfortunately, I had other plans. This group will be going again in the Spring so I will let everyone here know in case anyone wants to go.
 
I hope this was helpful.
 
Ken
Posted by: MachinistBoy46 Posted on: Dec 10th, 2004, 4:32pm
 
 Ken-
    Thanks for the info.   As far as the NJT thing, its been being talked about for like 6 or 7 years now.  There are several variations of routes being pondered, but all would turn the current Southern into an NJT right of way. With traffic and housing rising like mad in Lakewood, I would imagine these "talks" will start becoming more serious. A good source of info would be www.Octrainguy.com    hes got some info about NJT`s plans for the southern, as well as a good 25 pages of pics of the current southern.  Excellent page. Hope that was useful in some way.   Take care   - Chris    p.s.- heard the train hit James Street in Lakewood headed to Lakehurst about an hour ago.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Dec 11th, 2004, 5:53am
on Dec 10th, 2004, 4:32pm, MachinistBoy46 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
 
 Ken-
              Thanks for the info.   As far as the NJT thing, its been being talked about for like 6 or 7 years now.  There are several variations of routes being pondered, but all would turn the current Southern into an NJT right of way. With traffic and housing rising like mad in Lakewood, I would imagine these "talks" will start becoming more serious. A good source of info would be www.Octrainguy.com    hes got some info about NJT`s plans for the southern, as well as a good 25 pages of pics of the current southern.  Excellent page.      Hope that was useful in some way.   Take care   - Chris         p.s.- heard the train hit James Street in Lakewood headed to Lakehurst about an hour ago.  

 
Chris,
 
Thanks for thew information. I hope the plan goes through. We are facing similar issues up here in North Jersey with trying to restore the old Lackawanna Cut-Off. NJT would like to reopen this line.
 
I will be down in Manchester today so I just may take a look at Union Avenue sometime this morning. Hopefully, there will be something running.
 
Ken
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Dec 18th, 2004, 12:46pm
Ken and everybody,
     As you all know the Pines do hold some great treasures.   I'm sure our hope would be that all the history left maybe preserved.    However, if anyone is familiar with the New Jersey Pinelands Commission, they may make some sort of deal with a developer to change the landscape so to speak.
     Pemberton (PRR) station area may soon have a Super WAWA as it's neighbor if the boro of Pemberton doesn't get it's way.  WAWA's in Burlington County are as common as road kill on it's roads or the stupid cookie cutter housing that has sprung up.
     I wrote a bit about the Pemberton fiasco on the short line forum, if you want to keep abreast of things.
     CNJ all the way!
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Dec 20th, 2004, 6:32am
on Dec 18th, 2004, 12:46pm, Eddie M. wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ken and everybody,
          As you all know the Pines do hold some great treasures.   I'm sure our hope would be that all the history left maybe preserved.    However, if anyone is familiar with the New Jersey Pinelands Commission, they may make some sort of deal with a developer to change the landscape so to speak.
          Pemberton (PRR) station area may soon have a Super WAWA as it's neighbor if the boro of Pemberton doesn't get it's way.  WAWA's in Burlington County are as common as road kill on it's roads or the stupid cookie cutter housing that has sprung up.
          I wrote a bit about the Pemberton fiasco on the short line forum, if you want to keep abreast of things.
          CNJ all the way!

 
 
Eddie,
 
Thanks for the information. I will go there and see whats posted. What will WAWA do with the existing store they have? Just expand it?
 
I can't imagine they need a super WAWA.
 
Ken
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Dec 20th, 2004, 1:18pm
     Since you are familiar with the area as am I, there is no need for such a creature.    
      I was reading the NJ Sierra Club newsletter for this month.   What I mentioned earlier on this thread is a very real situation.  If the property owner in the Pine Barrens came to the commission and said,"I want to rip out all my trees and start farming it", they would do nothing to stop it.   The property would then become agricultural and go now under the New Jersey Agricultural Commission.   That same owner can in the future sell that property to a developer to build homes.  Why? Because the Agricultural Commission doesn't have the  standards to stop him from doing so.    
     So as far as Old CNJ trackage through here is concerned, nothing is guarrantied!
      When does the graft and deception ever end in this state?
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Jan 8th, 2005, 4:54pm
One piece I left out was Atsion. Here we are close the to Ranger Station on RT 206
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Jan 8th, 2005, 4:57pm
To Winslow Jct.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Jan 8th, 2005, 4:59pm
A nice quiet place but where isn't it quiet in the Pine Barrens. I would've loved to have worked for the CNJ and have taken this route.
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Jan 8th, 2005, 6:27pm
Ken,
  I see you brought a small crew with you on this adventure.    
The trackage and bridge look to be in a fair state of preservation, judging from the pictures.
  This trackage is very close to Atsion Lake if I recall.    I's like to go on a tour in the future along this trackage.
  As I said in the past, great pictures and contributions.   A great trip!
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Jan 9th, 2005, 4:08pm
on Jan 8th, 2005, 6:27pm, Eddie M. wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ken,
       I see you brought a small crew with you on this adventure.    
The trackage and bridge look to be in a fair state of preservation, judging from the pictures.
       This trackage is very close to Atsion Lake if I recall.    I's like to go on a tour in the future along this trackage.
       As I said in the past, great pictures and contributions.   A great trip!

 
Yea, I need to get them outside as much as possible or they drive me crazy
 
You're correct about the location but I didn't take close shots of the ties; they're rotting out.
 
As far as exploring this Southern Division, we will be doing so this spring. The CNJ group (Yahoo groups) will be going out again and I will keep you posted. We will explore from Winslow Junction to Bridgeton so it should make for a fun trip.
 
Ken
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 13th, 2005, 10:58pm
Hello all.  I just recently moved to Arizona, but I lived in Toms River for 12 years prior to that, and grew up in Beachwood (lived there for 16 years).  
 
 That line to TR I believe is still in use.  Before I moved I saw a propane car at Columbia Propane (I believe that it is called that now) on Rt. #37.  I still think the Lumber Company just off Rt. #37 by the tracks the cross there into the old Ciba plant gets lumber delivered by train.  I am not sure how often the train comes through there, maybe once a week.  In Lakehurst there were some trains still using the siding to Navy Lakehurst.  ~ 4 years ago they re-laid the track to the South Gate on Rt. # 547.    Navy Lakehurst was loading contaminated dirt from the "Bowmark Missile Site" into hopper cars and they were taking them away to some place where there is a site for radio active dirt in another state.  
 
 That old line that runs to Winslow Junction had another set of tracks that crossed it but have been pulled up in Whiting.  They crossed paths in the woods south of Cherry Street between RT#530 and Rt. #539.  If you head south on Rt. #530 to the Whiting First Aid Squad building you can see the old rail bed.  They have High Power  Lines running down it now. That line went towards Beachwood area and crossed over towards Pine Beach/Ocean Gate area, not sure exactly where at.  From there they crossed the bridge to Seaside Heights and went up the coast line.  If you go into Bayville to the waters edge Restaurant, just north of there you can see the old bed going across the salt marsh to the west.  To the east it runs by some houses that have been built along the water but you can see part of the old trestles post sticking up out of the water close to the shore.
 
Claytons I believe is in Jackson on Rt. #547, just north of Navy Lakehurst.  There is a set of track that crosses Rt. #547 to the west.  They connect to the line that goes into Lakehurst.  On both sides of the road are sand pits.  Claytons is to the west of Rt. #547.  Glidens is to the East.  There is also another sand mining operation south of Pasadena and North of Rt. #72.  The tracks go in front of the entrance to the pit there.  It is a pretty road to ride down. I it is called Pasadena Rd.  I never ventured off into the woods there, but have always wanted to.  I do not know for sure if the tracks go into that pit but I would assume so.  
 
I might have some pictures, if they did not get lost in the move, of the trains in Lakehurst hooked up to the hoppers with the radio active dirt in them.  I will have to dig through my stuff to see what I can find.  
 
Kevin
Posted by: trainwatcher1100 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 5:15am
Howdy, former neighbor! I lived in Bayville for a year or so and used to try to picture that abandoned row above Water's Edge when it was still "alive." Thanks for stirring up the memory.
 
on Jan 13th, 2005, 10:58pm, Hulka wrote:       (Click here for original message)

I might have some pictures...of the trains in Lakehurst hooked up to the hoppers with the radio active dirt in them.  I will have to dig through my stuff to see what I can find.

 
Just look for a green glow.
 
- Bob
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 11:05am
Here there is a machine sitting on the newley relaid siding going to the south gate.  Note to the left is the old tracks burried in the dirt.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 11:11am
Here is a CSX sitting by itself on the track.  To the left of 4412 is where the track used to sit that they just pulled up that went to Navy Lakehurts.  I took all of these in June of 2003.  
 
The pictures are kind of grainy looking.  Sorry.  I am scanning them in on my scanner from a 35mm picture.  Have to kick it down a lot to fit.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 11:15am
Here is a piece of equipment on the newly re-alid siding.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 11:19am
Another machine.  Sorry for the spelling errors on the last 2 post.  trying to scan and add the pictures at the same time.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 11:24am
This picture is in Lakehurst to the north of Union Ave.  Here is some more equipment.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 11:27am
A Kershaw machine.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 11:32am
A track layer??
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 11:39am
A conrail scoop truck.?
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 11:51am
This is the last one that I can find.  I think the others got left home or got lost.  This is to the south of Union Ave. in Lakehurst.  I gather they used this to pull cars back to this siding in the day.  
 
I was also told by one of the Forest Fire guys that there is a turn table back around there somewhere.  He was not for sure where it was at but recalls one of there trucks getting stuck in it during a forest fire years back.  I looked around some but never found anything close to one.  
 
 I remember reading in the paper that there is one in the woods in New Egypt area where there was steam service that went to the shore area.  There also used to be a set of tracks that went to LBI but the bridge got washed away during a hurricane.  There was and atricle about it in the Asbury Park Press a few years back about both of those.
 
Kevin
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 7:46pm
Kevin,
 
Thanks for taking the time to scan and post. It is greatly appreciated.
 
FYI - I was talking to the owner of the old Buzby's General Store and she had heard that someone from Vermont had put in some kind of paperwork to run an excursion line from Chatsworth back north to Pasadena, I believe.  
 
The person putting the paperwork in owns an excursion train in Vermont so hopefully, this person can do it. I only hope the person is still interested in doing this and offer rides via Conrail and CNJ motive power. That would be really great!!!!!
 
Ken
 
Posted by: MachinistBoy46 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 9:05pm
Hey all-
      Ken, i wasnt ever going to bring that subject up, but now that you mentioned I know I`m not the only one whos heard of it.  Somewhere awhile back I heard about some group (I dont know who, where from, why , how etc...) that wanted to run on the old Southern down by the Chatsworth area.  As I have no more info on it, I guess we`ll have to wait and see if something develops, or if it was just another one of the bazillions of "pipe dream" rumors that tend to float around out there.  Take care    -Chris
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 9:06pm
That would be really nice.  I think I saw someone in Vermont that had a steam ride.  That would be nice if it was the same person and they would have a steam engine run sometimes.  It is really pretty out there going through the pine barrens, and in a rail car would be even nicer.  
 
I can see one problem with it all and that would be the seniors there in Whiting.  It is a big retirement area.  They do not always like change.  They could put a station out there in Heritage Minerals right off of Rt.#70.  They were trying to sell it to make a housing complex out there a few years back.  The land is already cleared, it is off a major highway, and the track run right through there to go into Lakehurst.  
 
I guess only time will tell and a lot of hoping.  If I find any more pictures I will post them.
 
Kevin
Posted by: MachinistBoy46 Posted on: Jan 14th, 2005, 10:26pm
Hey all-
    Yeah it would be cool.  However, arent there some small sections down that way where the track has been torn up? (the ROW prob. still is there but no tracks)  That would be another obstacle to overcome I guess.  By the way, hiya Kevin and thanks for takin all the time to post those pics from Lakehurst.  The dirt trains have ceased now, since all the radioactive dirt has been removed, however Lakehurst Naval Base was strongly in favor of leaving the spur there, for any future needs, which is a good thing. take care   -Chris
    P.S.  Ken- how often do you guys go out in groups down south on the Southern?  If I ever got the time I`d love to be a part of one of those trips someday.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Jan 15th, 2005, 6:18am
on Jan 14th, 2005, 9:06pm, Hulka wrote:       (Click here for original message)
That would be really nice.  I think I saw someone in Vermont that had a steam ride.  That would be nice if it was the same person and they would have a steam engine run sometimes.  It is really pretty out there going through the pine barrens, and in a rail car would be even nicer.  
 
I can see one problem with it all and that would be the seniors there in Whiting.  It is a big retirement area.  They do not always like change.  They could put a station out there in Heritage Minerals right off of Rt.#70.  They were trying to sell it to make a housing complex out there a few years back.  The land is already cleared, it is off a major highway, and the track run right through there to go into Lakehurst.  
 
 
I guess only time will tell and a lot of hoping.  If I find any more pictures I will post them.
 
Kevin

 
 
Kevin,
 
I don't really think the run Will be all the way to Whitings so we shouldn't upset those retirees there. I believe the run will be from Chatsworth to Pasadena/Whitings. I'll take whatever they offer I had hoped that the Southern Railroad of NJ would have offered something like this from Winslow Junction to say Chatsworth of Pasadena but I can understand the expense of doing so. Especially the cost for insurance and track repair.
 
Ken
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Jan 15th, 2005, 6:24am
on Jan 14th, 2005, 10:26pm, MachinistBoy46 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hey all-
                        Yeah it would be cool.  However, aren't there some small sections down that way where the track has been torn up? (the ROW prob. still is there but no tracks)  That would be another obstacle to overcome I guess.  By the way, hiya Kevin and thanks for takin all the time to post those pics from Lakehurst.  The dirt trains have ceased now, since all the radioactive dirt has been removed, however Lakehurst Naval Base was strongly in favor of leaving the spur there, for any future needs, which is a good thing.      take care   -Chris
                   P.S.  Ken- how often do you guys go out in groups down south on the Southern?  If I ever got the time I`d love to be a part of one of those trips someday.

 
 
Not sure if any of the old ROW has been torn up. I've traveled most of the are between Lakehurst and Winslow Jct and can see the track everywhere but some of this area will need plenty of work from replacing ties to removing small trees.
 
I haven't been down there with any member of this group but will plan something if there's any interest. Another option is this spring, the CNJ group that posts on their Yahoo board are going to provide a tour from Winslow Junction to Bridgeton. They did this last spring but unfortunately, I couldn't go. Let me know and we can plan our own trip.
 
BTW, I've also been there to Heritage Minerals and I could still see the tracks in place there as well. I hope they cleaned that area but I already did peak inside the place. So far, I'm not glowing so I hope I'm alright
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 16th, 2005, 11:29am
Heritage Minerals is just a huge sand pit that they mined out of for years.  A lot of people go back there to ride the off road vehicles and party.  The place is huge.  I was in Heritage Minerals twice and it is very easy to get lost back there.  It is a couple of miles wide as well as long.  There is a big lake back there from when they use to dredge out there.  
 
The “Bowmark missile site” was up on Rt. #539 towards Plumstead.  Fort Dix and Navy Lakehurst back up to each other along with McGuire AFB and Dix.  
 
 
The tracks were pretty intact from what I had last seen but some places are old and need replacement.  Pasadena area looked pretty new from Pasadena Rd.
 
Time will tell and hopefully it will become a reality.  The train would probably thrive for a few days when Chatsworth has there "Cranberry Festival" each year.  The place gets packed with people.  They can have them park in one of the other ends of track and "ride the train to the festival".  
 
Kevin
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Jan 16th, 2005, 5:06pm
Yes, that would be a great idea. They could also offer additional parking somewhere other than in the town of Chatsworth. Possibly somewhere further north along the tracks where the train can offer service to the festival.
 
Ken
Posted by: PAULM Posted on: Feb 7th, 2005, 8:25pm
Excellent idea.  We sure would enjoy the line especially during the festival at Chatsworth.
Posted by: RARITAN_CLOCKER Posted on: Aug 14th, 2005, 6:12pm
Kevin: you are to be complimented for that EXCELLENT photo tour of the former "Blue Comet Route". Truly sad to see that once-famous route in the deplorable condition it is now. Makes it kind of hard to believe that such a famous train ever sped along these rails. Great work!! John
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 14th, 2005, 8:07pm
on Jan 14th, 2005, 9:05pm, MachinistBoy46 wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hey all-
                          Ken, i wasnt ever going to bring that subject up, but now that you mentioned I know I`m not the only one whos heard of it.  Somewhere awhile back I heard about some group (I dont know who, where from, why , how etc...) that wanted to run on the old Southern down by the Chatsworth area.  As I have no more info on it, I guess we`ll have to wait and see if something develops, or if it was just another one of the bazillions of "pipe dream" rumors that tend to float around out there.  Take care    -Chris

 
 
Chris, I've heard recently that nothing is going to happen. Sounds like another pipe-dream. Oh, well.  
Posted by: PAULM Posted on: Aug 19th, 2005, 7:30pm
Hi All,
 
Well there goes another bagful of hope up in smoke.  Are we the only people in the world that are interested in our History in this State and what our Railroad did to form it.  Very heartwrenching to say the least.
 
PAULM & Grandson.
Posted by: RARITAN_CLOCKER Posted on: Aug 19th, 2005, 8:42pm
on Aug 19th, 2005, 7:30pm, PAULM wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Hi All,
 
Well there goes another bagful of hope up in smoke.  Are we the only people in the world that are interested in our History in this State and what our Railroad did to form it.  Very heartwrenching to say the least.
 
PAULM & Grandson.

......Paul, I could not agree more. Just what we've lost regarding CNJ history ALONE is enough to make you cry. The railroads BUILT this state, and now, they are nearly extinct in many places. The younger generation will never have the railroad memories us "old-timers" have. They've missed too much.
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Aug 20th, 2005, 1:58am
Ken,
 No exploring trip this year?   If it is related to people saying yes I'm in and then bowing out, I know where it's at.
 I was in Keyport inspecting the line down there aand the pulled up row running to the water.
 Unfortunately, I did not bring my camera because I was on a unrail-related visit.
(I may have invented a new word-s)
 Are you a show at the festival in October?
     ..........Eddie
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Aug 20th, 2005, 6:06am
Hello Eddie,
 
I've been taking it easy due to the hot and humid weather we have been having. I did however had one great vacation this past week which made the entire family happy.
 
We started out by attending the CNJ Picnic at Steamers in Martinsville.
 
We then took the kids to Knoebels  Amusement Park in PA. On the way there I ran into plenty of interesting rail places. When we left Knoebels, we went to Lancaster and then to Hershey. Got some great shots of NS in Hershey and boy is it busy.
 
Once we were finished with bot parks, we went to Horseshoe Curve where we had a great time seeing all those trains pass by. That is one busy area. I will be posting those photos and some unusual ones this weekend.  
 
I intend to start exploring this fall and continue with the NYS&W/L&NE from Swartswood Jct down to Hainesburg Jct. to complete the Hanford and Hainesburg trails.
 
Yes, I will be going to the CNJ festival this year. Hopefully, we can run into one another. Isn't there another group get-together as well?
 
 
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 3:52pm
Just finished some exploring in the Whiting area and found some interesting items still there.
 
Just beyond Whitings, I noticed the abandoned ROW here on Central Avenue.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 3:53pm
Heading towards Pasadena and Chatsworth
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 3:56pm
Heading to Whitings, now Whiting and Lakehurst.
 
I don't believe this is Chessie Cat on the tracks  
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 3:59pm
Still looking north towards Whiting.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 4:04pm
Some items but no mileposts  
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 4:06pm
Back near Lacey and Station Road, the tracks are visible.
 
Be sure to stop in the Commerce Bank and look at the picture of the station they have on the wall.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 4:08pm
Looking in Whiting towards Lakehurst.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 4:12pm
Looking south to Chatsworth. There's a supermarket right near the tracks. We are approaching where the PRR and CNJ crossed.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 4:15pm
Exploring  the area, I met another railfan who is a volunteer with the Whiting Fire Department. He informed me that the picture your are viewing is that of the Tuckerton Turntable. Can anyone confirm this? I'm right across station road heading east towards Toms River.  
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 4:24pm
From maps this is what I come up with execpt for the station. Is this where the station existed
 
I was told the trail with the power lines is the PRR.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 4:28pm
Finally I find the diamond where the PRR crossed the CNJ, or so I am told, not too far from the area where the station was. I was informed that this was not the original location of the diamond and that it was moved. This would make sense as it isn't near the CNJ tracks.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 4:29pm
Some additional shots of the diamond
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 4:32pm
Can't imagine how much this weighed and how they moved it to its current location
 
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 4:34pm
Given the weight of this, I'm sure this piece will be intact for many years. At least I hope so.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 4:38pm
Heading back home, I still see the ROW on RT70 and continue to explore as I didn't get enough. Does anyone  
 
I pull off to the Heritage Mineral location and find the CNJ again.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 4:40pm
Still at Hertiage looking towards Lakehurst.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 4:44pm
UGH! The picture of the crossbuck. Oh, well. Sorry for the lousy picture. I will get another along with some pics of the area for the PRR.
 
I was told the ROW of the Tuckerton is now Station Road itself. Can anyone confirm?  
 
Thanks
Posted by: George_Harris Posted on: Feb 5th, 2006, 11:02pm
on Feb 5th, 2006, 4:28pm, njvike wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Finally I find the diamond where the PRR crossed the CNJ, or so I am told, not too far from the area where the station was. I was informed that this was not the original location of the diamond and that it was moved. This would make sense as it isn't near the CNJ tracks.

Chances are the last road running, whichever it was, pulled the diamond out of track after teh the other road through the diamond quit.  These things are incredibly high maintenance items, particularly this type which is simply built up from rails bolted together.  The bolts are long, get loose and break so they need frequent tightening just to keep the thing safe even for slow speed.  Because of the impacts over the flangeway gaps crossing diamonds also chew up the ties supporting them fairly quickly.  It is likely that the railroad either had a burro crane or a small truck with a boom.  If taken apart into quarters, and a lot of these things can be, it is not too heavy to handle with a boom truck.  Even if they can not get it completely picked up it could have simply been dragged over to one side.  This they probably could have done without any dissasembly.  (Was it all in one piece or was this only part of the diamond? )  You then just put in a couple of pieces of straight rails for the track remaining.  If the track was lightly used, they may not even have replaced the ties.
 
Diamond ownership is always an issue.  The usual  crossing agreement is that the diamond belongs to the "junior" railroad and has to be maintaned to the standards of the "senior" railroad at the expense of the junior railroad.  This can mean either by the junior road or by the senior road with the costs billed to the junior road.  Therefore, if the "junior" railroad quit first the remaining railroad might pull the diamond out of track, but they could not take it away and scrap it or reuse it because they did not own it.  Even if they did, it might not have been in good enough condition to consider for reuse, and they may have simply never got around to collecting it for scrap.  
 
"Junior" and "senior" relates solely to who got there first and has nothing to do with traffic density.  A prime example of this was the crossing of the Frisco and the Illinois Central at Holly Springs, Mississippi.  The ICRR got there first, about 1850.  The Frisco line was built in the 1880's.  The traffic across it was about 90% Frisco.  The Frisco side was curved and had a 20 mph speed limit.  IC did not care, as their side was straight, and if it got bad for theim, and they were only a 25 mph railroad with 90 lb rail here, anyway, all they had to do was call the Frisco and say, fix it.  In the late 70's, the Frisco rebuilt the whole thing, replacing it with a pair of turnouts.  In order to allow the IC to keep their 25 mph limit, they put in a pair of No. 15 power operated turnouts for the IC.  It probably burned them to have to do it, but they were at the mercy of the ICG because, since they were senior they had to be satisfied.  On this same line there were two other crossings with ICG lines, the next at New Albany MS where the Frisco was senior, since this was the former GM&N main which was not built until about 1920.  The third was at Tupelo, the former Mobile and Ohio, where again the ICG was senior.  For all these crossings, the majority of the traffic was on the Frisco side.  The other two remained as diamonds, and so far as I know still exist, as their angles made replacement with turnouts impractical.  The Junior/Senior relationship is not changed by changes in ownership, but is inherent in the date of initial construction of the line.  
 
George
Posted by: CAR FLOATER Posted on: Feb 6th, 2006, 12:18am
George -  
 
Excellent description of railroad grade crossing "ownership"....
 
As an aside however, two places in New Jersey, the L&HR/DL&W Sussex Branch crossing, and I believe the L&HR/NYS&W crossing, were acyually maintained by the senior road, because of traffic density. At Andover Junction where the L&HR and DL&W crossed, the L&HR's mainline crossed the low density (though passenger carrying) DL&W branch. The predecessor of the DL&W, the Sussex Railroad, built through here long before the L&HR did, but as time went on, the ownership and duty to maintain went to the DL&W and the superior ROW across the diamond went to the L&HR. I believe the same situation was in effect at Sparta Jct, where the senior, but lower traffic density NYS&W crossed the L&HR. Even more interesting was that these two diamond crossings were no more than 10 miles from each other.
 
Ralph H.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 6th, 2006, 4:46am
George,
 
Yes, the diamond is still in tact.
 
Thanks for the explanation of ownership
 
Ken
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 6th, 2006, 4:48am
on Feb 6th, 2006, 12:18am, CAR FLOATER wrote:       (Click here for original message)
George -  
 
Excellent description of railroad grade crossing "ownership"....
 
As an aside however, two places in New Jersey, the L&HR/DL&W Sussex Branch crossing, and I believe the L&HR/NYS&W crossing, were acyually maintained by the senior road, because of traffic density. At Andover Junction where the L&HR and DL&W crossed, the L&HR's mainline crossed the low density (though passenger carrying) DL&W branch. The predecessor of the DL&W, the Sussex Railroad, built through here long before the L&HR did, but as time went on, the ownership and duty to maintain went to the DL&W and the superior ROW across the diamond went to the L&HR. I believe the same situation was in effect at Sparta Jct, where the senior, but lower traffic density NYS&W crossed the L&HR. Even more interesting was that these two diamond crossings were no more than 10 miles from each other.
 
Ralph H.

 
 
Hello Ralph!
 
And to think that all of these connections were no more than a half hour away from each other. We could have also seen the L&NE and the CNJ in addition to the RRs you mentioned.
 
Oh, well  :-/
Posted by: sgp__Rail_Fan Posted on: Feb 6th, 2006, 4:49pm
Great photos, although they are still sad. Just one thing what is this about some one from vermont, is New Jersey going to get a new tourist rr? ?
Posted by: Charlie_O Posted on: Feb 6th, 2006, 5:16pm
Fascinating pix, Ken.  Great tour.  And that diamond is quite a find.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 6th, 2006, 5:38pm
on Feb 6th, 2006, 4:49pm, sgp__Rail_Fan wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Great photos, although they are still sad. Just one thing what is this about some one from vermont, is New Jersey going to get a new tourist rr? ?

 
 
About a year or so ago, I had heard from a very reliable source that someone that owned a tourist rail in Vermont had applied to purchase the ROW in hopes of establishing a tourist rail from Chatwsworth to?  
 
I have not heard anything since. My own belief is that perhaps the cost is too much for insurance since 9/11. Our own NYS&W no longer runs excursions on their own tracks for the same reason.
 
There was also someone else asking questions on one of our Sussex County websites and on this very forum about the abandoned ROW (NYS&W) from Hanford down to Sparta and north on the old M&U tracks in NY. Another case of nothing ever happening. Just like the cut-off
 
Some good news in the M&NJ was jus purchased
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 6th, 2006, 5:39pm
on Feb 6th, 2006, 5:16pm, Charlie_O wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Fascinating pix, Ken.  Great tour.  And that diamond is quite a find.

 
 
Hello Charlie,
 
Good to hear from you again and thanks. Fortunately, I had help in finding that diamond
 
Ken
Posted by: trainwatcher1100 Posted on: Feb 7th, 2006, 5:05am
Ken -
 
Great work, as always! Thanks for stirring up a bunch of "imaginary memories." Came along too late to see Whiting in action, but used to drive through on my commute and try to imagine what it was like as a major junction, and you could leave town in five directions by train. So sad that it's all gone...just about.
 
Hope someone can answer your question about the Tuckerton ROW.
 
- Bob
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Feb 7th, 2006, 12:04pm
Hello Bob,
 
Thanks for the comments. I hope someone can answer the question on the TRR. I just purchased some tickets on eBay on the Tuckerton RR and a poster. I'm still looking for a book on the Tuckerton RR but the last place I checked was sold out a while ago.
 
I guess I will continue to monitor eBay.
 
Ken
Posted by: LIGOJCHRIS Posted on: Feb 8th, 2006, 7:59pm
Hello Everyone,
 
I just wanted to add some things to this discussion. I used to attend Whiting Elementary School beginning in 1979 as a kindergartener. At the time, they held kindergarten in the Red schoolhouse right near the tracks on Lacey Road. I certainly remember the sand trains that used to run in the afternoon passing the road and heading toward Lakehurst I believe. Anyway, I wanted to add to Hulka's comments about PRR having a RR to Toms River. I know this branch bypassed Lakehurst and went on the southern side of Leisure Village in Dover Township. The part of Rt. 9 that you would take after getting off the Parkway South where it continued on towards Beachwood is right on the right of way. The tracks from the PRR crossed with the CNJ right about where 166 meets back up with Rt.9 in Beachwood. Then the PRR continued toward Seaside but before going over the trestle that is next to what is now Martell's, there was a switch that took part of the RR over a bridge into Island Heights in where there a passenger station and roundhouse. Apparently, almost all of this was gone by the mid 1930's.
Posted by: LIGOJCHRIS Posted on: Feb 8th, 2006, 8:06pm
I read some of the previous posts with regards to the PRR, CNJ tracks that go out west past Whiting towards Chatsworth. It seems sad that some the roadbed is in danger of being lost for good. However, didn't the State of NJ pass a law which protected the old right of ways from future development? What comes to mind is that I remember hearing something about public outrage of RR land being destroyed by apartment buildings in Heightstown, where the Camden and Amboy used to run. Is there any truth to this?
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Mar 11th, 2006, 4:20pm
Went out to look for the old CNJ/PRR cross diamond,I fianally found it off a dirt road,off of Cherry st,in the weeds
here's a map w/ pencil pointing

here's the dirt road off Cherry street,

and off to the left lying in the weeds is the diamond,that was removed from the CNJ line.

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Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Mar 13th, 2006, 11:31pm
Here is some maps "historic" of the RR's that ran through the area. If you look at the "1878 Big file" map you will see that that were 5 lines that met in "whitings".  
 
http://mapmaker.rutgers.edu/HISTORICALMAPS/RAILROADS/Railroads.html
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Mar 14th, 2006, 12:01am
If you take Cherry St. to CR 539 and make a left you will see that tracks again.  If you follow the tracks south it will take you to Chatsworth.  If you cross over the tracks and head down to Pasadena Rd. and make a left you can follow the tracks again after a few miles along side the road.  The tracks will run along side the road till end at the Chatsworth FD driveway.  I have been past the Chatsworth FD and have not been able to see where the tracks reappear again on the road.  I have never ventured off into the woods behind the FD and explored it at all.  
 
Going back to the post above this one if you look on that map you will see the junction in Whiting and you will see track heading to Tuckerton that meets the Toms River RR in Waretown.  That Tuckerton RR line is still visible for a bit along side of Lacey Rd in Bamber Lakes.  If you go back to station Rd. in Whiting and follow it East it will turn into a dirt road, I believe that station road is part of the old rail bed.  You will come to a stop sign at the end of the dirt road and to the left is Lacey Rd.  The tall poles to the left are where the tracks sat.  
 
I remember as a kid taking my Mountain bike and following the old rail bed from Beachwood, lived there for a few years, and following it south into Bayville/Lacey border.  It is really sandy and mostly used by quads and dirt bikes.  I believe that the road is Wheaton that they run along side of then you cross over to Princeton and take it towards the end, there will be a way to get to the old rail bed that looks like a dirt road really.  I remember that back down there was a wooden trestle that crossed over a stream; I would say it was the cedar creek.  It was ~ 100' or so long if I recall.  It has been about 16 years since I was back there.  Those tracks will take you right on through Lacey parallel to Rt. 9.
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Mar 17th, 2006, 11:09pm
Here's a better pix of the diamond,as I cleaned up the area around it today.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Jul 26th, 2006, 9:40pm
Hello Tom,
 
I'm sorry I haven't been here in a while and missed this. Nice shots. That map looks familiar. I believe my in-laws have it and it's just an Ocean County map.
 
Hmm. Can't remember it now.
 
Looking foward to another trip down there to explore the Atco area real soon.
 
Anyone know if the ROW is still in tact?
Posted by: BIG_MIKE Posted on: Oct 24th, 2006, 11:32pm
HI EVERYBODY!! this is my first post on here so if i do somthin wrong lemme know.  
im an avid off roader. i do alot of trail riding in the pines with my trucks and my atv. i also like trains and rail road related stuf and have since i was a little boy.  
any way, last sunday i was out in the quarry on pasadena road that is owned by the claton company.  while ridin around i ended up on the one road that led out to the switch gear for the section that used to go into claytons. startin at the switchgear the track into the quarry is long gone, but i was shocked when i seen that all the pine trees that had grown into the tracks and surronding areas had been removed with a time frame of approx a week or less prior to my visit. the piles of shreded pine from a tree grinder was still yellow and fresh and fresh cut pine scent was strong in the air. at the time the clearing stopped approx 1/4 mile past the switchgear. i didnt see any vehicle tracks on the dirt around the rail bed, but upon further inspection i notice several stumps that were right against the track had been notched and areas where soot and sand had reached the top of the rails revealed that a rail vehicle had been down the tracks. i went towards whiting to where the tracks cross the road and seen tire tracks from a light truck going onto the rails.  
i know for a fact that the tracks are intact from where they cross on pasedena all the way to chatsworth fire house. when i was about 15 i was riding along the tracks between 72 and chatsworth and i found a running gear from one of the rail cars sitting there. im hoping to get a chance in the next couple day to ride there again and get some pics of it.  
also i know the tracks in wharton state forest are intact and in good shape on both sides of rt 206. we cross them often while out trail riding. there is some sections missing though between rt 536 and rt 30. i dont know how anyone could have stolen these. they are so far off in the woods and inaccessible by a truck.  
maybe the vermont guy got his permits? i dont see any other reason for clearing in this area. there isnt anything on these tracks besides the quarrys on pasadena and the next switchgear up is between 72 and chatsworth fire houe, but that went to the old kodak plant which was a contaminated zinc site and has been demolished and the land reclaimed by the njdep
Posted by: flamingo Posted on: Nov 6th, 2006, 4:56pm
on Feb 5th, 2006, 4:44pm, njvike wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
I was told the ROW of the Tuckerton is now Station Road itself. Can anyone confirm?  

 
From looking at the Google maps section for the area, it looks like Station Rd is on the ROW of the Tuckerton RR.  
 
I took the Google aerial picture of the area and overlaid the routes of the CNJ, PRR, and Tuckerton RR as well as the approximate locations of the CNJ Whitings Station, the PRR/TRR Whitings Station, and the TRR turntable.  
 
The data comes from a diagram in The Tuckerton Railroad : a chronicle of transport to the New Jersey seashore by John Brinkman. I highly recommend the book to anyone.  
 
Jim
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 25th, 2006, 11:50pm
on Oct 24th, 2006, 11:32pm, BIG_MIKE wrote:       (Click here for original message)
HI EVERYBODY!! this is my first post on here so if i do something wrong lemme know.  
im an avid off roader. i do alot of trail riding in the pines with my trucks and my atv. i also like trains and rail road related stuf and have since i was a little boy.  
any way, last sunday i was out in the quarry on pasadena road that is owned by the claton company.  while ridin around i ended up on the one road that led out to the switch gear for the section that used to go into claytons. startin at the switchgear the track into the quarry is long gone, but i was shocked when i seen that all the pine trees that had grown into the tracks and surronding areas had been removed with a time frame of approx a week or less prior to my visit. the piles of shreded pine from a tree grinder was still yellow and fresh and fresh cut pine scent was strong in the air. at the time the clearing stopped approx 1/4 mile past the switchgear. i didnt see any vehicle tracks on the dirt around the rail bed, but upon further inspection i notice several stumps that were right against the track had been notched and areas where soot and sand had reached the top of the rails revealed that a rail vehicle had been down the tracks. i went towards whiting to where the tracks cross the road and seen tire tracks from a light truck going onto the rails.  
i know for a fact that the tracks are intact from where they cross on pasedena all the way to chatsworth fire house. when i was about 15 i was riding along the tracks between 72 and chatsworth and i found a running gear from one of the rail cars sitting there. im hoping to get a chance in the next couple day to ride there again and get some pics of it.  
also i know the tracks in wharton state forest are intact and in good shape on both sides of rt 206. we cross them often while out trail riding. there is some sections missing though between rt 536 and rt 30. i dont know how anyone could have stolen these. they are so far off in the woods and inaccessible by a truck.  
maybe the vermont guy got his permits? i dont see any other reason for clearing in this area. there isnt anything on these tracks besides the quarrys on pasadena and the next switchgear up is between 72 and chatsworth fire houe, but that went to the old kodak plant which was a contaminated zinc site and has been demolished and the land reclaimed by the njdep

 
Mike,
 
Nobody seems to know what's going on there. I did  speak to several residents in the area that say that Clayton Sand owns the tracks from Clayton Sand to Lakehurst and has met with NJ Transit. Rumor has it that one of the three possible scenarios will take place.
 
1) NJT runs an Atlantic City train
2) Clayton starts sending out by rail again
3) Rail trail.
 
All are rumor at this point in time.
 
Hopefully we find out soon.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Nov 26th, 2006, 8:29am
Clayton owns the track to Lakehurst?  I thought CSX owns that track.  Clayton might own the spur from the tracks into their sand pit but not that main line. Those tracks continues south in Lakehurst to Toms River to the old Ciba Plant.  I beleive that there are a few bussiness that still get delivery by rail car along that line.  The Lumber Yard at the crossing on Rt.#37 and the propane place up the road some.  
 
Does NWS Lakehurst still have the cars on their property for the Bowmark Missle site soil removal?
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Nov 26th, 2006, 6:29pm
Road maps issued by NJDOT show "Clayton Sand" south of Lakehurst.  That is not to say that they truly own that stretch.  AFAIK, the BOMARC soil was shipped out a few years ago.  Given that the soil was radioactive, I doubt that they kept the cars around.  But I have been known to be wrong.  
 
Interesting, I bicycled from Chatsworth to Whiting and back about 10/13/06, keeping an eye on the old ROW, but did not see any tree removal.  Hey, maybe a secret group imitating the Catskill Mountain Railway is clearing the track.  Naaahh.
Several people were taking photos on the Rte 72 overpass, but they were not railfans, just looking for an interesting spot to take pictures.  Hmmm.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 10:31am
on Nov 26th, 2006, 8:29am, Hulka wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Clayton owns the track to Lakehurst?  I thought CSX owns that track.  Clayton might own the spur from the tracks into their sand pit but not that main line. Those tracks continues south in Lakehurst to Toms River to the old Ciba Plant.  I beleive that there are a few bussiness that still get delivery by rail car along that line.  The Lumber Yard at the crossing on Rt.#37 and the propane place up the road some.  
 
Does NWS Lakehurst still have the cars on their property for the Bowmark Missle site soil removal?

 
I belive you're referring to the Toms River Industrial Complex that runs to Toms River. Serivce, I believe, doesn't go beyond Lakehurst anymore or if it does, its minimal.
 
The main line runs down past Clayton and all the way down to Bayside.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 10:33am
on Nov 26th, 2006, 6:29pm, Andy_S wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Road maps issued by NJDOT show "Clayton Sand" south of Lakehurst.  That is not to say that they truly own that stretch.  AFAIK, the BOMARC soil was shipped out a few years ago.  Given that the soil was radioactive, I doubt that they kept the cars around.  But I have been known to be wrong.  
 
Interesting, I bicycled from Chatsworth to Whiting and back about 10/13/06, keeping an eye on the old ROW, but did not see any tree removal.  Hey, maybe a secret group imitating the Catskill Mountain Railway is clearing the track.  Naaahh.
Several people were taking photos on the Rte 72 overpass, but they were not railfans, just looking for an interesting spot to take pictures.  Hmmm.

 
There was talk several years ago about somone from Vermont wishing to create an excursion line but nothing ever materialized from it.  
 
I do have pictures of the area where the clearing took place. I'll post them later today.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 6:07pm
Well,
 
Here we go. I believe the tracks looked this good would be about 20 years ago?
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 6:09pm
The tracks are just to the right but this area to the left looks as if it was also cleared. A possible siding?
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 6:10pm
On the main
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 6:11pm
Lookng to Clayton Sand
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 6:13pm
At the entrance of Clayton Sand looking back towards Lakehurst
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 6:15pm
At Clayton Sand is where the clearing stopped.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 6:17pm
Looking towards Chatsworth
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 6:18pm
Looking towards Whiting and Lakehurst. I presume this was done to stop the ATVs?
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 6:21pm
At a quick look, it almost appears that if the URL was for the CNJ. I thought there was a site to explain all of this clearing going on  
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 6:23pm
Looking at the bridge one more time I see it isn't related to the CNJ  
 
Please let us know what's going on down there and any progress on the work being performed.
 
Thanks
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 6:24pm
Looking south by the Tree Farm
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 6:26pm
At the tree farm.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Nov 27th, 2006, 11:09pm
OK, you are out on Pasadena Rd.  That must be another pit that hey use. When you said "Clayton" I thought you were refering to the one of Route 537 in between Route 527 & Route 527.  The Manchester/Jackson Border.  On My GPS map for my Garmin it shows that the tracks stop in the woods out in Pemberton Twp.  The road that runs up to iit is "Glassworks".  It looks to be and unpaved road.  They start up again in "Waterford Twp." by ELM.  It is on the Whitehorse Pike North of Route 206.
 
I have Google Earth and plugged this in and followed it up to the Route 72 Bridge.  Started from here:
 
Here is the GPS Position for Waterford Twp. :N39 41.219 W74 48.757
 
What looks like a bridge :Bridge" lat=39.7495941385, lon=-74.6935727576
 
Another Bridge : "Bridge 2" lat=39.7551450712, lon=-74.6791455855
 
Chatsworth Fire House: "Chatsworth Fire House" lat=39.8184391524, lon=-74.5358709361  
 
If you keep following the row you will see the route 72 bridge and more.  I zoomed in and tilted it on and angle so I can see what was coming ahead.  Pretty neat.  
 
You would need a good 4x4 or a quad, but I woder if those are still bridges intact from the route the trains used to take.  
 
Enjoy.
 
Kevin
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Dec 6th, 2006, 6:46pm
  The Clayton Sand rail spur is going to be re-activated as per request by Mr. Clayton himself.
   The rehabilitation and reactivation was okay'd by the necessary surface agencies .
   Clayton expects the line to be done and readied for traffic in 2007.
    .........How do you like that?
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Dec 6th, 2006, 11:46pm
So I am going to gather that they are going to come through Lakehurst and into the "Whitings" and then out to Pasadena to Clayton Sand.  Before I moved out to Az. in '04 I used to hunt out there some but mostly ride my motorcycle out that way and into Burlington County through the back roads.  The tracks out there along Pasadena Rd Looked to be almost new condition.  I beleive that they redid that section then stopped all rail traffic down that way just after it was completed.  Are they shipping the sand somewhere or is Mr. Clayton shipping sand from one pit to another?
Posted by: Irish Chieftain Posted on: Dec 7th, 2006, 2:22am
I'm sure you've all read in the newspapers about the George Warrington-promised and (apparently) casino-sponsored resurrection of the old Amtrak service between New York and Atlantic City, via Frankfort Junction in Philly, to be operated by NJ Transit.  Now given the revenue that the casino barons have on hand, how hard would it be for them to sponsor a rebuild of this line for a faster journey, between AC and Hoboken…?
Posted by: robertjohndavis Posted on: Dec 7th, 2006, 8:00am
on Dec 7th, 2006, 2:22am, Irish Chieftain wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I'm sure you've all read in the newspapers about the George Warrington-promised and (apparently) casino-sponsored resurrection of the old Amtrak service between New York and Atlantic City, via Frankfort Junction in Philly, to be operated by NJ Transit.  Now given the revenue that the casino barons have on hand, how hard would it be for them to sponsor a rebuild of this line for a faster journey, between AC and Hoboken??

 
 
 
I would love to see the Southern Div restored, but the idea of using the casino train may not be the way to do it.
 
First, there is the assumption that the CNJ route would be faster. What was the time difference between the Nelly Bly and the Blue Comet? Not much if I recall. I would not assume that shorter equals faster in this case.
 
Even if it did, would it be wise to trade New Brunswick and Trenton for Red Bank and Lakewood as the largest en route cities? Of course, that's assuming the train would make stops.
 
For my money, the part of the casino train route that needs to be fixed is the crawl from Hoboken to Newark. It dumbfounds me that this service is not running from NYP.
 
Rob
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Dec 7th, 2006, 9:43am
They should use the comet route to AC.  There are a few major senior towns that are right by, actually it runs through the middle of the "Whitings".  Also Holiday City and Leisure Village in Manchester are right there too.  The old Ciba plant would be a great spot for a Station.  It also would be a good spot to head north into the city, NYC Newark ect.  The track and signals are already there so it would be just a matter of refurbishing the line into the plant, and making a station and some more parking.  There are numerous senior developments in the general area besides the other people that head to the AC area on the weekends to gamble and have fun.
Posted by: Irish Chieftain Posted on: Dec 8th, 2006, 7:20pm
Quote:
First, there is the assumption that the CNJ route would be faster. What was the time difference between the Nelly Bly and the Blue Comet? Not much if I recall
What with the PRR putting the squeeze on the Blue Comet once the P-RSL came into being, I could imagine that the PRR swung things in favor of their trains that operated via the Camden & Amboy and their segment of the Belvidere line between Bordentown and Trenton (name from that era escapes me; Conrail's name was "Bordentown Secondary").  The Comet itself lasted a mere twelve years (ending in 1941) whereas the PRR's service to Atlantic City lasted until the 60s.
 
What with no such competition nowadays, a route that is over twenty miles shorter would indeed be faster, especially since the reverse move at Frankford Junction  would extend the journey to over 3½ hours, possibly four hours.  (The details of the new NJT service are not yet set in stone.)  No reason not to have a journey time of 2½ hours via the Blue Comet route, even if you're held down to 80 mph on that segment.  
 
As for New Brunswick or such places, check out the M-O-M NJ Transit proposals, chief among them using the PRR branches via Jamesburg and Freehold to Farmingdale to access the Southern Division (purpose being to avoid duplication of Coast Line service and to serve places not currently served by rail).  Current projected terminus is Lakehurst; but if the casinos wanted a route that would be free of Amtrak interference, they could put their weight behind this route all the way to Winslow.  (But I don't see them being terribly serious about having a route that would work.)
 
Since NJ Transit put light rail on the Nellie Bly route between Trenton and Pennsauken, that route is no longer available.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Dec 10th, 2006, 10:50pm
A couple of observations and opinions:  NJ light rail, aka the River Line, does not go to Pennington, though that's a good idea.  Refurbishing the Southern Division for speeds down to 80 mph has got to be a stretch, again, IMO.
  When the River Line was being built, they did not merely lay new rail and ballast.  They removed most of the ties, rails, ballast and stripped the existing roadbed down to level ground.  They put in welded rail and mostly concrete sleepers, and double tracked previous single track stretches.   In short, they built almost a whole new line.  I'm not saying that is exactly what has to be done here in South Jersey, I am not an engineer, but that is what I look to see happen.  And the River Line took way beyond its allotted time for completion.  There are a lot of grade crossings south of Lakewood, too.  Still, I would love to see any kind of train moving on through the Pines.
Posted by: Irish Chieftain Posted on: Dec 11th, 2006, 1:30am
Quote:
NJ light rail, aka the River Line, does not go to Pennington, though that's a good idea
Yup, typed Pennington when I meant Pennsauken.  Pennington is on the former Reading route.  (And funny enough, it was not a stop when NJ Transit was running service on that route to West Trenton.)  Pennington won't be able to get light rail service, but perhaps it would have the commuter rail service restored at a future date, that is unless NJ completely falls apart financially.
 
The so-called "River Line" has been rebuilt good enough to run commuter rail on it.  But there were some political reasons behind using light rail on it…
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Dec 11th, 2006, 8:31am
on Dec 10th, 2006, 10:50pm, Andy_S wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Still, I would love to see any kind of train moving on through the Pines.  

 
Andy,
 
Any movement on the Southern Division would be great. Especially if it increases traffic on the line. I've been down at Lakehurst quite a few times and rarely see anything other than an engine.
 
I'm not holding my breathe on seeing NJT start some casino train but if it did happen, that would be icing on the cake.
 
Let's hope to see something we haven't seen in 20 years; give or take.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Dec 11th, 2006, 8:33am
on Dec 6th, 2006, 6:46pm, Eddie M. wrote:       (Click here for original message)
  The Clayton Sand rail spur is going to be re-activated as per request by Mr. Clayton himself.
   The rehabilitation and reactivation was okay'd by the necessary surface agencies .
   Clayton expects the line to be done and readied for traffic in 2007.
              .........How do you like that?

 
 
Eddie,
 
That's great news. I did check into the NJT rumor with someone who I consider a very reliable source and he says "nothing in the works".  
 
Hey, I'm happy to see anything on the line.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Dec 11th, 2006, 9:56am
If you hear anything or see some activity keep me posted.  I remember as a kid driving in the car with my dad down School House Rd and seeing and engine parked on the track between Rt.530 and Wranglebrook Rd. a couple of times,  this being the early 80's.  I took my quad 1 time from Rt.527 down the tracks through Lakehurst and into Manchester, Zarko, aka. Herritage Minerals, sand pit.  The tracks south of Lakehurst are going to need a lot of TLC in one area as they were mostly sumerged into the swamp that runs along the tracks there.  Otherwise the rest of the tracks that go into the sand pit were in pretty good shape from what I recall.  The ROW was maintain in a sense from all the ATV/Dirt bike traffic.  I know that once you hit in the Wrangle Brook Rd area there are trees growing  through the ROW.  I took that ride in '96 so it has been 10 years now and I am sure a lot has changed.  I took the dirt road that runs along side the tracks untill I came across a big pine tree that fell across the road which went back about about 3/4 of a mile and there is a lot of brush growing through the area of the ROW.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Dec 13th, 2006, 8:31pm
OK, gang.  I went to Lakehust this PM and spotted CR 4431 on the sanding/fueling track.  There were piles of fresh wood chips along the CNJ ROW, and it appeared that the weeds had been mashed into the rails by something heavy.  Sure enough, I look south and there are emergency flashers astride the tracks about a quarter mile away.  And stumps of 4-5" diameter trees cut down below the tops of the rails at my feet.  Hi-rail with a wood chipper?  Maybe.  I drive to Whiting, and the trees are gone between the rails north and south of there, too.  But, no sign of any heavy flanged wheels are evident at any of the crossings down to Rte 539.  Had to leave sooner than expected, so I continued S on 539 to 72 and took a short run up Pasadena Rd, but not as far as Clayton Sand ops.  So, yeah, there you have a wordy version of "yes, there is something running"
Andy
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Dec 13th, 2006, 9:29pm
Andy, if you head south on Rt.539 to Mc Mahon Ave. and take that road , you can only go to the right coming from cherry street.  Mc Mahon Ave. is about 7 tenths of a mile south of Cherry Street, and it will run into Pasadena Ave. after the "S" curve.  Keep following Pasadena and it will run right along the tracks after about a mile or so.  You can follow it right to Rt.#72 along with Clayton Sand.  Little faster than going all the way to Rt.#72 and heading back to Pasadena Ave.  The tracks out in Pasadena should be still in pretty good condition.  They were all replaced just before they stopped service on that part of the line.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2006, 7:16am
Has anyone been out there to see if anything new has happened?
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2006, 10:27am
I hope to get out there this afternoon on my way to Toms River.
Posted by: LIGOJCHRIS Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2006, 12:31pm
Last April, while driving down Rt. 527, I crossed over the ROW and saw tall stacks of fresh ties. I figured at the time they were going to refurbish or maintain some part of the line. Where the ties went I don't know but to me....it semed like a big investment just for something that hasn't seen much traffic in about twenty years. I realize now it must be for future Clayton sand hauling.  When I was at Lakehurst last weekend, Dec 17, I didn't see signs of movement on the Toms River spur. I'm sure we won't have to wait too long to see some good thing happen.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2006, 6:01pm
OK, gang.  I traveled Pasadena Rd North from Rte 72, and where Mt Misery Rd connects with it, there is a crossing.  The rails were removed from this crossing back in ? and the roadway repaved.  There are two rails lying next to the ballast just north of the grade crossing that were not there back in October.  Other than that, it appears that all the trees have been removed from between the rails and maybe 10' to either side, all the way to Lakehurst (as visible from the roads).  How the "swampy area" is at Heritage Minerals remains to be seen.  Perhaps this is where the new crossties were taken.  It also looks like a hi-rail has crossed the road in Lakehurst.
 
Hey, were any of y'all walking the tracks north of Lakehurst about 1pm today?
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2006, 7:10pm
Not me.  I am in Phoenix.  If I still lived out there I would be out there a few times a week to see what is going on.  The very few times that I did catch a CSX crossing over Rt.527, aka Whitesville Rd., I would pull over and watch it go by.  I was usually a train pulling dirt from the bomarc missle site but it was still a train.  How long ago did they pull the tracks from Pasadena Rd & Mt. Misery Rd?  I was last out there in '04 in the begining of the year and they were still in the road from what I can recall unless I am thinking of another crossing?  Are they paved over still on Rt.530, aka Lacey Rd, or did they put the crossing back in place?  I think Rt. 539 was paved over also?
Posted by: Shugixxer Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2006, 8:00pm
Lacey Road is still paved over, i was there on Wednesday - but teh ROW is cleared of trees on either side of it, and as far as the eye could see.   There were two cops parked at the entrance to Heritage Minerals so I couldn't go back there and see though.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2006, 10:39pm
Right.  Lacey Rd, 539, Wranglebrook Rd, are still paved over.  There are crossings over various dirt roads where the track is still under the dirt, too.  But the Mt Misery Rd/Pasadena Rd is the only one that I can see that has had the rails removed.  It had to be several years ago because the asphalt is very old, very light grey, and is cracking.  On Topozone, this is in the area marked "Bullock", a place name that is not even in my Pinelands directory.
 
Oh, BTW, the sign at one of the entrances near where the Woodmansie Station is/was says "Hanson", not Clayton, but I am sure that Clayton is still involved.  And I am curious about why Heritage is so fussy about the property; one would think that there are precious gems to be found.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Dec 23rd, 2006, 9:41am
on Dec 22nd, 2006, 10:39pm, Andy_S wrote:       (Click here for original message)
And I am curious about why Heritage is so fussy about the property; one would think that there are precious gems to be found.

 
Is Heritage Materials still a Superfund site?
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Dec 23rd, 2006, 10:19am
AFIK, I have never seen it listed under any superfund sites, National Priority Lists; however, it was actually a source of uranium, thorium and other chemicals.  (Eeesh, in my own backyard, but the BOMARC site is closer to me)
 
Refer to the following website:
http://www.nrc.gov.edgesuite.net/info-finder/decommissioning/complex/heritage-minerals-inc.html
 
Note that the closure date was 05/31/06.  This could have been what Clayton was waiting for to reopen the line.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Dec 24th, 2006, 10:36am
Heritage Minerals is so fussy because it is a huge area and a big party spot.  They dredged dirt/sand out of there a while back and it created some huge "lakes" in a sense that are really deep.  Many people have died out there in Jet Ski accidents, and craching vehicles or quads.  It was and maybe still a huge party spot.  I remember that the one summer they had the state police out there patroling because it was such a huge party spot.  The Forest Fire that ripped through Holiday City at Berkely a few years back started from out there from a fire that some party goers started.   The lakes that are out there are a dumping grounds for stolen vehicles.    It is private property and I guess the owner is sick of law suits from stupid people.  There was some plans about 5 years ago to build houses back there but they wanted to be preserved because of the Timber Rattler and some tree frogs that are found out there.
Posted by: Erie13 Posted on: Dec 26th, 2006, 5:05pm
I'm new here and loved the pics of the line. Anything happening with the line today? From where did the line start and end? Is it connected to any active line today? Is there a web site on this line at all? Is it close to PA at all? Anyone have a map of the line. What is the length of the line.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Dec 26th, 2006, 8:32pm
Erie13. it takes a little time and patience, but go back to page 1 of this thread and most of the questions can be answered.  Or just type in Blue Comet in any search engine.  There is a web site devoted to just that in the beginning of this thread.
 
Oh, for the rest of you guys and gals, since we are still on the Southern Division, I just saw a History Channel hour on hangars, and I know that there was a spur from the main into Lakehurst NAS or whatever it is today.  Anyone have photos, maps, etc, just of that line?  I was traipsing about with a fellow squid in the runway area in 1973, and some of the rails were still out there.
 
Andy
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Dec 27th, 2006, 10:00am
on Dec 26th, 2006, 8:32pm, Andy_S wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Erie13. it takes a little time and patience, but go back to page 1 of this thread and most of the questions can be answered.  Or just type in Blue Comet in any search engine.  There is a web site devoted to just that in the beginning of this thread.
 
Oh, for the rest of you guys and gals, since we are still on the Southern Division, I just saw a History Channel hour on hangars, and I know that there was a spur from the main into Lakehurst NAS or whatever it is today.  Anyone have photos, maps, etc, just of that line?  I was traipsing about with a fellow squid in the runway area in 1973, and some of the rails were still out there.
 
Andy

 
 
Andy,
 
I guess I didn't post the pictures of the tracks to the base. I'll see if I still have them handy. I know you can see the tracks still there but someone posted that you need to be careful when taking pictures in that area.  
 
I'll see what I have. I will be heading down there this weekend to see the progress made on the Southern Division. I rode by quickly last week and when I crossed Union Avenue, I could see plenty heading south. I also see that the area near Central Avenue looks good too.
 
Do any of the tracks need replacing? What about signals and cross gates?
 
When will we see activity?
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Dec 27th, 2006, 11:59am
There are crossbucks in the area marked Wheatland on topo maps.  Other than that, nothing else south of Whiting unless it's on a private road.  As mentioned earlier, the only place south of Whiting that needs rails that I can clearly see, is the Mt Misery/Savoy Blvd (aka Pasadena Rd) crossing.  As far as the rails that need replacing, I can't really say.  The Rte 539 crossing signals used to have "EXEMPT" on them.  I should get out of my truck in Whiting; it is dangerous to rubberneck with the many impaired drivers in that area.  ooops.
 
While we are at it, I am curious about the track arrangement in Tabernacle.  There are at least 3 sets of tracks just before the Rte 563 crossing where station would have been.  Maybe a stub siding and a short passing track? Only 2 seem to have crossed the road and merged into one about 125 yard south.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Dec 27th, 2006, 5:18pm
OK, I;m back from a quick trip.  I went to Chatsworth, where there was a store that has all kinds of memorabilia, including rails, from the Pinelands.  They were closed.  Went up Savoy Blvd a short ways; yes, 3 sets of tracks.  No other signs of activity on the ROW.  Interestingly enough, they haven't cleared a way through the mounds of dirt and sand blocking the rails at the truck access to the sand pit.  And, there are no longer any crossing signals in Whiting.  My error.  The crossing at Wranglebrook Rd did show dirt and debris cleared from the flangeways.  No activity in Lakehurst.  Sorry.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Dec 27th, 2006, 6:05pm
on Dec 27th, 2006, 5:18pm, Andy_S wrote:       (Click here for original message)
OK, I;m back from a quick trip.  I went to Chatsworth, where there was a store that has all kinds of memorabilia, including rails, from the Pinelands.  They were closed.  Went up Savoy Blvd a short ways; yes, 3 sets of tracks.  No other signs of activity on the ROW.  Interestingly enough, they haven't cleared a way through the mounds of dirt and sand blocking the rails at the truck access to the sand pit.  And, there are no longer any crossing signals in Whiting.  My error.  The crossing at Wranglebrook Rd did show dirt and debris cleared from the flangeways.  No activity in Lakehurst.  Sorry.  

 
Andy,
 
That store would be the Cheshire Cat. It was originally Buzby's General Store. Marilyn, the owner of the store, is big into the history of the Pine Barrens and did sell at one time, the Trail of the Blue Comet Books among other train and Pine Barren related books.
 
Traveling north on Savoy, you will pass the RT72 bridge. About a 1/4 down the road there's a siding and hopefully, a Conrail marked switch.
 
 
 
Posted by: LIGOJCHRIS Posted on: Dec 31st, 2006, 12:08pm
Hello everyone,
 
I did a Google search with the key words "Clayton Sand Railroad" and discovered an alternative site in where there is a discussion of the  CNJ Southern Division being cleared from Woodmansie North. Some  folks have taken trips together down the major parts of the ROW and have posted many excellent pictures.  
Looking at the tracks in the photos, I can say with the utmost certainty that the ties in many sections will need to be replaced.  Nevertheless, I find this whole thing about this ROW being cleared very exciting. Also, I am getting some great modeling ideas for a set I would like to build in the future.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Dec 31st, 2006, 1:06pm
Here is the link to the site:
 
http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31458
 
Kevin
Posted by: ligojchris Posted on: Jan 1st, 2007, 5:50pm
Thank you posting the link Kevin. I thought about posting it but I wasn't sure if it would be considered a conflict of interest with this site...even though this is a free access site.  
Best regards.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 1st, 2007, 10:50pm
I did a search for it and started to read what was going on.  So I just cut and paste to save the other members the few minutes of looking it up.  If it is a bad thing to do then I will know for next time.  There are a lot of pictues on there though.
 
Kevin
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 7th, 2007, 10:25pm
On the forum link posted above there are pictures of them clearing the dirt pile going into Hertiage Minerals site.  A lot of work beig done just to "Clean the ROW up."
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 27th, 2007, 11:04am
For those of you that go out exploring old ROWs here is one that must of ran off this topic.  I used to go hunting in the fields off Rt. 539 south of Pasadena Rd.  There is and old ROW out there that they use to use for Logging I believe.  Attached is a picture of where it is as from Google Earth.  I have been out here and the row is still there just no track on place.  Looked like Cinder Ash was used for a base.  You will need 4 wheel drive to get into areas of the main road.  There was some "sugar sand" in some spots.  If you look to the left of the "L" shaped field you will see 2 lines going to the East. The middle one or the one closest to the white wiggly line is the old row.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 27th, 2007, 11:08am
Try it again.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 27th, 2007, 11:26pm
1 last try.
 
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 27th, 2007, 11:28pm
OK,  go figure.  I tried it one last time and it posted it on the 2 previous post.  
 
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Jan 28th, 2007, 11:22am
?? As I am constantly risking absurdity, IMHO, the photo is rotated 135 degrees to the left.  The main ROW is at least 2 miles from the "L".    The logging RR might have connected to the Tuckerton RR?
Anyone else have some thought?
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jan 28th, 2007, 3:03pm
OK  here is a better shot of the old ROW plus the current tracks off Pasadena Rd.  I do not know for 100% that it did connect to the Southern Division but in this picture it very well could of.  The friend of the family that had showed me the old row when we were hunting passed away about 10 years ago so I could not ask him.  I will call my grandfather and see if he knows.  He talks about taking the train to Seaside Heights then to Asbury as a kid.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Feb 21st, 2007, 9:47pm
Just an update, gang.  I visited Lakehurst, Whiting, and took Pasadena Rd to Mt Misery.  No new work noted.
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Mar 17th, 2007, 4:58pm
I picked up a c/d on the southern division and will be reviewing it's contents.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Mar 17th, 2007, 6:51pm
on Mar 17th, 2007, 4:58pm, Eddie M. wrote:       (Click here for original message)
I picked up a c/d on the southern division and will be reviewing it's contents.

 
Eddie,
 
What CD? Who makes it? Any info appreciated.
 
Ken
Posted by: GermanG Posted on: Mar 19th, 2007, 11:16am
Hulka, The old ROW you are speaking of might be the spur that led to the Hydraulic Press Brick clay pits. There was a station called Hydraulic just south of Whiting, with a two mile spur leading from there to the the clay pits. Clay was taken from here to the factory at Winslow Junction. I've never got a chance to explore this spur since learning of it, but it is mentioned in The Trail of the Blue Comet.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Apr 11th, 2007, 8:05pm
Just to get away from the "rehabbing" of the Clayton segment, I found a few nice photos of the EXTREME end of the Southern Division on a site called "Forgotten Delaware"  Enter that site and go to Railroads and Trolleys, and the Bay Side subsections.  I emailed those folks and referred them to Railfan.net, cuz they were looking for more RR info on Delaware.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Apr 11th, 2007, 8:58pm
Here is the link:   http://www.forgottendelaware.com/railroads.html
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Jun 24th, 2007, 3:06am
Been quiet for a while.  Anything happening with the line?
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Jun 26th, 2007, 6:31pm
Nothing that I could see; I pass thru Lakehurst every other week.  I will see some friends from Whiting tonight to see if they have heard or seen anything.  
 My guess is that Hanson is still being held up by the grade crossing issues with the State/County.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Jun 26th, 2007, 6:35pm
Ahh, fooey! I should have included this in my previous post.  I was in the Haddonfield Library last evening and they have some South Jersey Rails books in their reference section.  I noticed a CNJ branch from Atsion to Atco that is not on my other maps at home.  When was this taken up?  I noticed someone mentioned Atco as a terminus for CNJ to Port Monmouth in the Seashore Branch, but I can't figure out how it fit in the scheme of things.
Help?
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 3:36pm
The weeds continue to grow between the rails, along with some small locust trees.  My Whiting friends say that they have heard nothing about any kind of train running through there.  We followers of progress have been drilled to an old siding and have had the crossties pulled out from under us.
 
Ah, but further south, the SRNJ has removed all the tank cars that were stored north of their yard.
Posted by: njvike Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 4:38pm
If no trains are to run this far down what was the purpose of the recent clearing to Lakehurst?
Posted by: ayonnebay Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 8:28pm
Whiting and Toms River, while not included now in NJT proposed new routes tying into current system, are mentioned as future possible connections.
 
Walt
 
Recent graphic from Asbury Park Press showing three proposed new routes:
Posted by: ligojchris Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 9:29pm
They have talked about reactivating some of these routes for passenger service for over twenty years, and of course...the NIMBYs come out to play and the talk dies down. The most viable route in my opinion? The Red Bank through Lakehurst.
While I'm here. What is that piped structure in Lakehurst that the locomotives sit under once in a while? It is right off of the Toms River/Barnegat branch.
 
best regards,
J
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Nov 27th, 2007, 10:12pm
The thought was that sand trains would continue south from Lakehurst to Hanson Sand & Gravel in Woodmansie, but it does not appear that this will happen anytime soon.
Posted by: GP72ACe Posted on: Nov 29th, 2007, 1:07am
Why is the APP still showing the CNJ Freehold Branch as one of the route choices when that's been part of the Henry Hudson Trail for ages?
Posted by: ligojchris Posted on: Dec 4th, 2007, 5:03pm
Surprisingly, even with the trail still being built, the rail link through there is still being considered. Of course we all know the chances of it happening are the same as seeing pigs fly.
http://independent.gmnews.com/News/2002/0213/Front_Page/003.html
 
Best regards to all.
J
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Apr 12th, 2008, 11:28am
Anything new happening there in Jersey?
Posted by: JimJimmyJames Posted on: Apr 14th, 2008, 10:15am
Hi all, new to the forums.
 
I took my son to Winslow Junction yesterday to see the SRNJ. My son also being a big Blue Comet fan, I decided to drive as close to it's route as I could get. I was amazed how clear the tracks where leading from Woodmansie to Lakehurst. Reading this forum for the first time I realize now there was indeed some clearing activity going on.
 
As to what is new in relation to what has been discussed on this thread, in Whiting a new road was built on what appears to be the old PRR row. The road connects Cherry Street to Station Rd. What is strange is that instead of ripping up the CNJ tracks they put a new crossing in. Seems weird to go to all that trouble for nothing.  
 
I saw some old concrete footings(?) as well as brick ones in the area also. Would love to know what they were for.
 
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Apr 19th, 2008, 11:14am
I don't know any more about the sand traffic, but I did read that the MOM to Lakewood/Lakehurst did receive a $1.25 million grant from the Feds to continue the study.  I was still surprised to see that the Henry Hudson Trail is still under consideration, since restoring this section to service would be the most expensive.  I believe the article was in the Asbury Park Press on 04/17/08.
Posted by: ligojchris Posted on: Apr 21st, 2008, 4:26pm
Andy,
 
The sections like the one that goes from Freehold to Matawan which are part of the H.H. Trail are still owned to the NJ DOT, however, the Monmouth County Park system leases the R.O.W. for public use. That section in particular has been studied numerous times over the past 20+ years for reactivation and as far as I'm concerned, will never see reactivation due to developers who built homes very close (according to the nearby homeowners) to the R.O.W.
Best regards,
J
Posted by: JimJimmyJames Posted on: May 1st, 2008, 7:40pm
on Feb 5th, 2006, 4:28pm, njvike wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Finally I find the diamond where the PRR crossed the CNJ, or so I am told, not too far from the area where the station was. I was informed that this was not the original location of the diamond and that it was moved. This would make sense as it isn't near the CNJ tracks.

 
If I read the article correctly, according to today's Asbury Park Press, this section of track was transported to the Stafford Railroad Museum in Stafford on 5/14/08.
Posted by: Redwards Posted on: May 2nd, 2008, 9:29am
Here is the link to the Asbury Park Press article for those interested:
 
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008805010657
 
--Reed
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Oct 19th, 2009, 2:27pm
Passed through Lakehurst this morning and all the brush was cleared again heading south.  There was also a Gradall straddling the main track and ties were disturbed.  I should have stopped and asked what was going on and taken a picture with my mobile phone cam.  No other activity further on down the line as far as Mt Misery Rd, where I turned off Pasadena and headed home.  May go back tomorrow.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Oct 28th, 2009, 5:57pm
Article in TRAINS Magazine might solve the mystery in this.  
 
"HAMMONTON, N.J. — A new affiliate of Cape May Seashore Lines has begun working to reopen an ex-Central Railroad of New Jersey branch to Woodmansie, N.J., New Jersey Business has reported. The New Jersey Seashore Lines will operate the line, which hasn't seen a train for more than 20 years.
 
Anthony Macrie, the railroad's president, said his company has begun work on removing trees from the right-of-way, which is owned by Clayton Cos., operator of a quarry near Woodmansie. The 13-mile route, once part of CNJ's Long Branch to Bay Side, N.J., line, will connect to the Conrail Shared Assets Area at Lakehurst, N.J. Macrie said the quarry will be a major customer.
 
Clayton bought the line in 1985, after Conrail abandoned it. Short line Ashland Railway operated the line for a time in the late 1980s.
 
Cape May Seasore Lines currently operates a rail line on New Jersey's southern tip between Cape May and Tuckahoe."
 
Looks like train service will be coming to Ocean County very soon!
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Nov 16th, 2009, 4:04pm
Ah, my tomorrow is 4 weeks late.  Nonetheless, I took a ride to see that the ROW has been cleared again from Hanson Sand to just south of Rte 539.  The Gradall has what appears to be a rotary brush cutter attached to it, and it had broken down just north of Mt Misery Rd.  The fellow working on it had nothing to offer as to the status of the line, just that he was sent out to repair the machine.  Oddly enough, the ROW was cleared south and north of the Gradall.  I didn't venture past Whiting as I was on bicycle and that's a bit of a haul.  Gets dark early too.
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2009, 6:17pm
on Nov 16th, 2009, 4:04pm, Andy_S wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Ah, my tomorrow is 4 weeks late.  Nonetheless, I took a ride to see that the ROW has been cleared again from Hanson Sand to just south of Rte 539.  The Gradall has what appears to be a rotary brush cutter attached to it, and it had broken down just north of Mt Misery Rd.  The fellow working on it had nothing to offer as to the status of the line, just that he was sent out to repair the machine.  Oddly enough, the ROW was cleared south and north of the Gradall.  I didn't venture past Whiting as I was on bicycle and that's a bit of a haul.  Gets dark early too.

 
Ok, now 4 weeks later, I ask you Andy, did you bring your Polaroid camera with you?  
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Dec 25th, 2009, 12:12pm
Hi Eddie!
 
There is a tremendous amount of writeup about this subject on Railroad.net. Just type in clearing and Woodmansie in the forum search. There are also some pictures of the clearing in certain sections and there are writers' discussions of some recent Surface Transporation Board rulings concerning that ROW. I am certainly an eyewitness to the clearings too.
Have a Merry Christmas everyone.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Dec 29th, 2009, 2:03pm
No, Ed, I have a hard time finding film for my Polaroid 250; after all, it is over 43 years old.
 
I do have one shot from my phone camera that I will post soon.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: May 7th, 2010, 6:50pm
Anything new or has everyone jumped over to RR.net forum?
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: May 25th, 2010, 12:19am
on May 7th, 2010, 6:50pm, Hulka wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Anything new or has everyone jumped over to RR.net forum?

I haven't any new information on the southern division.
The board gets slow every so often.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Jul 18th, 2010, 5:33pm
The weeds have taken over again, and CR/NS has pulled up a section of the track on the south side of Main St. that led to the sanding/fueling tower.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Jul 20th, 2010, 9:34pm
Not to worry Andy.  
There actually was a crew of volunteers from a railroad enthusiasts club who had come down and performed some clearing of the tracks for Clayton within the past three months. I remember before that, there was a large tree that fell from one of the nasty storms we had last Winter across the ROW towards Whiting. It appears to be gone. At about the same time, CR/NS did tear out the switch to the Toms River Industrial Track/Former Barnegat branch and moved it up to Lakewood for use, I believe to create a new runabout. What will happen to the TRIT is unknown. Trains still come down to Lakehurst but stop right before the rt. 70 bridge. Of course there is a lot of wild rumors going on about exactly why the reactivation of Clayton's track may occur,possibly from supplying sand to the new tunnel project to shipping sand to replenishing beaches.
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Aug 16th, 2010, 11:34am
Any CNJ fan worth his salt will at least be happy to hear this snippet of possible good news.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Aug 16th, 2010, 5:29pm
Hi Eddie,
 
Hopefully things will stir up soon. I have been by Lakehurst quite a few times this past month and haven't seen anything but a bunch of Hi-Lo type vehicles being used by workers to repair or refresh the concrete columns on the Rt. 70 bridge going over the tracks.
 
Best regards
Posted by: barnegat.matthew Posted on: Dec 3rd, 2010, 3:56am
About half way between the bridge and whitings there is actually a crossing with the crossing signs still up on a dirt road too.  There is also a cool old pottery factory back there that is pretty cool to explore.
 
on Aug 31st, 2004, 9:03pm, njvike wrote:       (Click here for original message)
Before and after on the CNJ crossing Rt72  
Before photo furnished by Robert A. Staples web site  
Trail of the Blue Comet  
http://thebluecomet.com/  

Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Dec 12th, 2010, 3:08pm
I don't know of any thread that mentions this but there are electric poles with crossbeams over these tracks from Redbank through Tinton Falls.  Did the Pennsylvania Railroad operate through this section of the line? If so did they actually build this portion of the CNJ Southern Secondary?
Thanks in advance for the replies.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Jan 2nd, 2011, 10:03am
This is what I know about the line through Redbank, Tinton Falls.
Despite the Northeast corridor looking electric poles with crossbeams, it could never have been electrified simply because the current NJ Transit Coastline that feeds into it (though the PRR Brown's Yard) was not electrified past South Amboy until around 1983. It is nonetheless interesting that these type of poles were erected over a CNJ Secondary line.
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Feb 19th, 2011, 12:51pm
King George IV and Queen Elizabeth I made a stop in Red Bank via the CNJ
June 10,1939.  
Here now is this story: http://www.monmouthcountylife.com/a-monmouth-life/royalty-in-monmouth-county/
 
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Aug 17th, 2011, 8:53pm
Hi Folks,
 
There is some great news happening from Lakehurst to Whiting. All I have to say is read from pages 70 to 74 from this link.  
http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=31458&p=940899&hilit=woodmansie+cleared#p940899
You can form your own opinions to what will happen soon.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Aug 29th, 2011, 6:24pm
I just thought I would post images of the new Rt. 530 crossing in Whiting. The tracks had previously been paved over before years ago with the crossing signals removed.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Aug 29th, 2011, 6:28pm
Here is one image of the new Rt. 530 crossing in Whiting. The tracks had previously been paved over before years ago with the crossing signals removed. Now part of the trail of the Blue Comet may see some new activity. The crossing on Diamond Rd. was redone as well in a similar fashion.
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Sep 5th, 2011, 2:16am
Seeing is believing!  I'm a little surprised to see the wooden cross bucks in favor of the automated signals.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Sep 6th, 2011, 8:19pm
The rest of the old track was not hooked up yet to the new crossing. I'm sure the wooden crossbucks are temporary just to let the locals know that indeed something will be coming back soon.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Sep 13th, 2011, 12:29pm
The past several business days has seen many trucks hauling material out of the Heritage Mineral site in Manchester Twp between Whiting and Lakehurst.  I presume that they are loaded with sand, but according to law, the loads are covered.  I'm talking about trucks every 5 minutes in or out.  It would have been nice to see trains used for this purpose, but I have seen no signs of activity south of Lakehurst to the sand site.  Haven't been to Whiing though.  When I see the same kind of crossing work done on Rte 539 as on Rte 630, I'll know that someone is serious about restoring traffic on this stretch.  I live closer to this area now, so I'll try to keep those interested up to date.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Sep 13th, 2011, 4:41pm
I had to check it out for myself.  It appears that they replaced ties on both sides of the road for about 30 feet and laid down new ballast.  They also removed the "EXEMPT" signs from the post that had the yellow X crsg on them.  Also, no sign of work anywhere south of Whiting up to Pasadena Rd, although it looks as if someone sprayed weed killer along the ROW.  Much of the weedy vegetation is starting to turn brown in that area anyway.  If someone did spray weedkiller, it wasn't with a flanged wheel vehicle, as no vegetation was mashed to the rails.  South of Pasadena, I could see from my truck that there were 2 pine trees across the tracks.  We shall see what comes of this.
Posted by: Hulka Posted on: Sep 8th, 2012, 2:56pm
It has been almost a year since anything was posted.  I gather that nothing has changed sine then?
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Sep 18th, 2012, 11:13am
Nothing but that the weeds have grown ranker.  My friends in Whiting keep hearing whispers of sand service again, but I will only post facts.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Sep 26th, 2012, 6:27pm
According to this website,  
 
http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=31458&hilit=woodmansie+cleared&start=1245
 
there was a crew at the Rt. 530 crossing installing a signal along the tracks. Also, at Wranglebrook Rd. there was a new signal box installed. There are pictures of both. Perhaps that will be all for the rehabilitation for the year.....JK
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Oct 14th, 2012, 10:39am
Here are some photos for those who have read the link I have posted in the past two weeks concerning the track work of the former CNJ secondary southern and addition of signals and gates in the Whiting area. This is Wranglebrook Road and Manchester Blvd.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Oct 14th, 2012, 10:48am
These are some recent photos of the Lacey Road and Manchester Blvd. intersection. Note the new cross bucks with no lights but a feature which looks like a torch top. As told by another person. This is an electronic bell speaker. Also, take notice of the new semaphore type signals on either side of the crossing in which I believe tells the train engineer that the traffic signals regulating the intersection are working well.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Oct 14th, 2012, 10:52am
Another angle of Rt. 530 and Manchester Blvd, from the nearby park looking southward.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Oct 14th, 2012, 10:55am
One more of Rt. 530 (Lacey Rd.) and Manchester Blvd looking more North and East.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Oct 14th, 2012, 11:11am
A couple of extra images,
 
This is at the park right north of the Rt. 530 and Manchester Blvd crossing. The track has new rail joint plates, in blue, installed right before the switch. The track which goes to the right is the old connector track to the PRR when that used to run through Whiting. Many rail joints from this park area down to Diamond Rd. (next crossing south of Rt. 530), have had new wires brazed in between and many new rail joint plates have been installed.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Oct 14th, 2012, 11:15am
One last image for now. New blue plates installed on the former PRR connector track. Many of the new rail connectors mentioned in the previous post also have new ties placed underneath.
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Oct 14th, 2012, 1:35pm
These images and talk is encouraging to read and see.
I would not have guessed that this section of the ROW would be restored with signal,
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Oct 16th, 2012, 8:56pm
It has been reported on this page,  
http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=31458&start=1290
That the Mt. Misery Rd. Crossing between Whiting and Woodmansie has also been redone as well. Let's keep our eyes peeled out for any rework to the Rt. 539 crossing south of Whiting
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Oct 24th, 2012, 6:31pm
Some pix from today's journey to Pasadena/Woodmansie Rd grade crossing, and at Clayton Sand.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Oct 24th, 2012, 6:34pm
OK, three tries and no luck.
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Oct 25th, 2012, 11:38pm
on Oct 24th, 2012, 6:34pm, Andy_S wrote:       (Click here for original message)
OK, three tries and no luck.

 
 
How about posting a link to the pictures Andy?
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: May 22nd, 2013, 6:47pm
on Oct 25th, 2012, 11:38pm, Eddie M. wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
How about posting a link to the pictures Andy?

 
There is no link, I just uploaded the pic from my Nikon download files.  I tried again today, resizing the photo, but no luck.  I have loaded photos to Railfan.net before, so I don't know why I am having such a problem.
Posted by: Charlie Ricker Posted on: May 24th, 2013, 8:09pm
FastStone has a great and easy to use photo re-sizer. I use it all the time and it works well. I usually  re-size mine to 25% of the original photo size and it'll allow that to upload. After re-sizing, I put them into a separate folder so they don't get mixed up with the normal sized shots.
 
http://www.faststone.org/
 
Charlie
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Aug 3rd, 2013, 2:18pm
Just an update to the rail revitalization,
 
The Rt. 539 crossing in the Whiting area has been rebuilt but at this moment it is not known whether it has been connected to the rest of the tracks yet. Trees that have fallen from Hurricane Sandy on the tracks outside of the park on Rt. 530 in Whiting have been cleared away.
This thread,
http://railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=31458&hilit=woodmansie+cleared&sid=ec8ea964a053271d9ac47251cd9750c0&start=1560
has more information.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Sep 2nd, 2013, 3:16pm
Here are a few pictures of the new Rt. 539 crossing outside of Whiting. This was completed in late June. In this state the temporary crossbucks are up.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Sep 2nd, 2013, 3:19pm
Just like the new Rt. 530 crossing placed in 2 years ago, the tracks are not connected to the old rail yet. This is looking North.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Sep 2nd, 2013, 3:26pm
Same crossing looking South. In September and October of last year, at least three crossings, Wranglebrook Rd. with new crossing gate signals, Rt. 530 with new signalling, track wiring and some new ties on the approaches, and Mt. Misery Rd. were completed. Hopefully we will be lucky to see more work done at the same time this year.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Apr 2nd, 2014, 8:34am
The crossbucks at Rte 539 have been replaced with crossing gates and lights, and there are advance warning lights "Train when flashing" on both the roadway approaches.  There is a slight bend in the road in each direction that obscures the crossing slightly for someone driving the posted 50MPH or more, so these advance lights will be helpful.  The tracks have not yet been joined.  Also, there was a Gradall with mower attachment on the rails at the Lakehurst Jct on Union Ave on 3/26 and 3/27.  The ROW was trimmed in the southerly direction as far as I could see.  The Gradall was gone yesterday, and there was no trimming to be seen past Whiting heading south, nor was there any sign of other work south of Rte 539.  Blue signs with white lettering advising folks to call NJ Seashore Lines if there is a problem are posted on the crossing gates at Wranglebrook Rd, Rte 530 and Rte 539.  I don't know if they are new or if I had not noticed them previously.  
 Warmer weather is here, so maybe there will be a bit more progress at a faster rate.  None of my friends in Whiting have heard anything about it, but they are not railfans.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Apr 12th, 2014, 1:53pm
The saplings and weeds have now been cleared from Rte 530 south past Rte 539.  How far beyond what my eyes can see from 539, I don't know, I had to get my daughter's inhaler back to her quickly.  The Gradall sits just south of 539.
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: May 25th, 2014, 10:24am
Now that's what I'm talk'n about Andrew!
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: May 28th, 2014, 4:22pm
Nothing new to report.  I had been going out that way on a weekly basis, but am going to go out less frequently.  I have avoided "trespassing" but I think that since there is no rail activity where the trucks access Hanson Sand, the rail line may be north of that and curving in toward the east.  Does anyone know how and where the hoppers were loaded when Clayton was operating in the 80's?
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: May 28th, 2014, 6:16pm
on May 28th, 2014, 4:22pm, Andy_S wrote:       (Click here for original message)
 Does anyone know how and where the hoppers were loaded when Clayton was operating in the 80's?

 
 
Watch this video and look at the sand loading ops.  Very close.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhZDf97bk0Y
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Sep 18th, 2014, 3:02pm
Still nothing to report.  I do see from Historic Aerials that there was a spur north of the truck entrance that does indeed curve toward the east.  It's quite clear in the 1986 shot, but the 2007 view shows the ROW of the spur covered with sand.  It may have done that over time, or it could have been ripped up.  I suppose if I can get close enough, I can make a better judgment.  Very swampy between the road and the line.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Jan 20th, 2015, 9:21am
No news as I have not had a car since October to check the  line.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Jan 25th, 2015, 8:39am
I was in Whiting last month. Other than the tracks being cleaned by the park off of Rt. 530, likely by the Twp. of Manchester, there are no changes. The new crossing on Rt. 539 is still not bolted to the mainline. Here is a link for all to follow for the latest news.
http://www.railroad.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=31458&start=1875
BTW...it is hard to believe that I started this page two years ago with the photographs.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: May 26th, 2016, 8:40am
They were replacing ties south of Union Ave in Lakehurst yesterday.
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Jun 10th, 2016, 10:01pm
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Jun 10th, 2016, 10:03pm
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Jun 11th, 2016, 10:13am
Looks like they were replacing them elsewhere,too.  Is the 539 connection done yet?
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Jun 11th, 2016, 1:13pm
All are connected, except at Lakehurst, under the bridge still has a rail out.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Jul 16th, 2016, 1:28pm
The rail plates between the "Conrail" section and the Union Avenue crossing need to be re-installed too.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Jul 16th, 2016, 4:12pm
I imagine they would have to replace the whole Union Ave. crossing, too. When I see the sign saying it will be closed, then that will be real progress.  What about the southern end?  Has anyone seen work near the sand pits?  There are a few dirt roads where crossings may need work.
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Jul 21st, 2016, 6:46pm
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Jul 21st, 2016, 6:51pm
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Jul 30th, 2016, 11:54am
Lots of track repair/maintenance equipment by the Lacey Rd./530 crossing Thursday.
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Jul 30th, 2016, 9:45pm
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Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Aug 31st, 2016, 9:31pm
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Sep 20th, 2016, 12:19am
Will wonders never cease?   It's nice to see all this progress running down here in South Jersey.  The railroad won't run through all this expense if it's not going to make a nice return on it's investment.
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Sep 20th, 2016, 7:01pm
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Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Sep 21st, 2016, 12:11am
Thanks for keeping us up-to-date with the progress Tom.   The track crew is making the track ready for the big show.
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Sep 21st, 2016, 9:23am

Pasadena rd.
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Sep 21st, 2016, 9:29am

Wranglebrook rd.
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Sep 25th, 2016, 7:37pm
on Sep 21st, 2016, 9:29am, TOMSTV wrote:       (Click here for original message)

Wranglebrook rd.

 
 
Tom, would you know if the railroad maintenance crew has done any checking to see of the warning lights and bells are still in operation?
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Sep 26th, 2016, 8:54pm
I was down there last week, and I had a chance to talk with some of the workers at Whiting. They told me that the job is being shut down, I guess for now anyway.
 The tracks are not connected, they are cut at both Lakehurst, under the bridge, and 1/4 mile south of the Pasadena crossing. So as for the lights working, is not an issue for now.
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Sep 29th, 2016, 2:45pm
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Oct 3rd, 2016, 12:10am
on Sep 29th, 2016, 2:45pm, TOMSTV wrote:       (Click here for original message)

 
 
Hey Tom.  Would you give us or just me a little narration with this picture you have taken?  
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Oct 3rd, 2016, 8:55am
I was down in Whiting, and I stopped by to talk to some of the railroad workers, and they told me that they were packing up , as the job had been shut down, at least for now. The picture is of the truck with their stuff packed up, and heading off to some other job up to north Jersey, so they tell me. The rails are still cut at Lakehurst under the bridge, and 1/4 mile south of Pasadena crossing, before the sand pits.
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Oct 4th, 2016, 11:15pm

MOVIN ON  10-04-16
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Oct 10th, 2016, 4:26pm
I enjoy seeing the pictures and getting the skinny on this stuff.  I am sure in the ensuing weeks or months more will be revealed to us.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Nov 7th, 2016, 9:37am
There was a hi-rail truck on the tracks south of Union Ave in Lakehurst last evening and a track gang there two weeks ago when we drove past.
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Dec 15th, 2016, 1:57pm

 
I found this video on Youtube.  It's short and narratation by the poster.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaNuqeXG0qI
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Dec 22nd, 2016, 11:56pm

Saw a crew south of Union ave. crossing,in Lakehurst NJ. dropping off some more ties
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Feb 15th, 2017, 4:53pm

Still not connected at Lakehurst bridge NJ.
Posted by: JrzWalker86 Posted on: Feb 15th, 2017, 8:26pm
That bridge as well as the others between Union Avenue Lakehurst and north to Whitesville Road were redone over the past few years.
Posted by: TOMSTV Posted on: Feb 15th, 2017, 10:50pm

Seen a high rail dump truck south of Union ave., dropping off new ties.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Jul 5th, 2017, 6:12pm
They are rebuilding the bridge over the Union Branch (stream), but the odd thing is that they are doing it to the siding, not the main.  They have also installed a new crossover for the siding further south.  This was as of two weeks ago.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Jul 14th, 2017, 7:35pm
As of 12 July, several truckloads of ballast have been dumped by Union Ave., and the dump truck is further south, presumably in support of the work on the bridge/trestle.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Jul 27th, 2017, 12:58pm
I spoke to one of the contractors this AM, and he said the bridge will be finished in about two more weeks.  He was told that trains would start running the end of October (2017).
It still appears to me that there is a lot more work to be done from Lakehurst immediately south, plus all the brush has to be cleared north of there, in addition to what I have previously mentioned.  Here's hoping!
Posted by: Eddie M. Posted on: Jul 31st, 2017, 12:26pm
Thank you for the updates Andy.  It's nice to read that this project isn't derailed and will come to fruition.
Posted by: randy Posted on: Jul 31st, 2017, 2:53pm
"He was told that trains would start running the end of October (2017). "
 
I think could is the word he should have used.  Trains have to go somewhere and unless Clayton finds a customer needimng large amounts of sand (say the Gateway tunnels) there won't be any trains running on the line any time soon.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Aug 1st, 2017, 12:28pm
Most of the dozens of truckloads of sand that Hanson Aggregates sends out daily go toward fracking operations in PA.
Posted by: Andy_S Posted on: Aug 23rd, 2017, 5:53pm
They were putting down ballast about a half mile south of Lakehurst last week.  I was up there today, but could not see any activity.  Until I see something substantial, I'm not going to post small changes.