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(Message started by: reuter on Jun 30th, 2004, 2:06pm)

Title: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by reuter on Jun 30th, 2004, 2:06pm
did they actually run here.please post pix and history

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by brw60 on Jun 30th, 2004, 8:24pm
Yes they did.  BR&W interchanged with the Penn Central in Lambertville until 1976.  After the formation of Conrail, BR&W aquired roughly two miles of the old Bel-Del in Lambertville (as the Bel-Del was being torn up) and the interchange was moved to Three Bridges (former CNJ Flemington Branch).

Looking for some pictures...

-Dan

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by brw60 on Jun 30th, 2004, 8:26pm
Yes they did.  BR&W interchanged with the Penn Central in Lambertville until 1976.  After the formation of Conrail, BR&W aquired roughly two miles of the old Bel-Del in Lambertville (as the Bel-Del was being torn up) and the interchange was moved to Three Bridges (former CNJ Flemington Branch).  BR&W ran sunday passenger trains to Lambertville till the late '90s.  They also ran a Saturday Night train from Flemington to Lambertville.

Looking for some pictures...

-Dan

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by reuter on Jun 30th, 2004, 9:50pm
where did they turn her,lambertville station ???

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by banthediesel on Jun 30th, 2004, 10:13pm

on 06/30/04 at 21:50:19, reuter wrote:
where did they turn her,lambertville station ???


there is a runaround south of the station building.

rod

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by Conductor_Cornhole on Jul 1st, 2004, 12:10am
Yes! As Rod said, there is a runaround south of the L'ville Station. Of course, when the 4666 did the L'ville runs, the runaround was vestigial.

  Mike

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by reuter on Jul 1st, 2004, 8:42am
whats the 4446 or whatever ya call it ???




   thanks,

rod,dan,and mike :)

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by banthediesel on Jul 6th, 2004, 8:41pm
4666 is the ex-PRR doodlebug built by brill i believe in 1930.

it's 75th b-day is next year... carl hosler really wants it to be in operating condition by then.

rod

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by pacobell73 on Jul 17th, 2004, 10:54pm
I understand that the BR&W stopped running trains south of Ringoes into Lambertville due to deteriorating track conditions.  :-[ Plus, I heard that locals were not fond of the train coming through the busy town on weekends. When service ceased, it seemed almost mutual.  :-/

The rails are in very poor condition these days, with weeds growing all around the ROW. Does the BR&W plan on returning to Lambertville in the future?  ???

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by banthediesel on Jul 19th, 2004, 5:16pm
yes

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by pacobell73 on Jul 26th, 2004, 8:38am
Is ther a time frame for when when Lambertville will see a train again?  ???

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by Eddie M. on Aug 6th, 2004, 11:31pm
        I too am very interested in the return of train service into Lambertville.
I also seen the forementioned deteriorated track condition and said, "is something going to be done?"  
        After making some inquiries last year, I also got an answer that the Black River and Western was indeed in the process of restoring this line.  Allegedlyit was to be this year.
       Only time will tell.  
       I hope they make good on their promise.
       

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by nhirr40 on Aug 7th, 2004, 9:46am
I hope they start running there again too. ESPECIALY WITH 60! I'd be there!

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by chuchubob on Aug 16th, 2004, 8:43pm

on 07/06/04 at 20:41:10, banthediesel wrote:
4666 is the ex-PRR doodlebug built by brill i believe in 1930.

it's 75th b-day is next year... carl hosler really wants it to be in operating condition by then.

rod


Doodlebug 4666:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/31287245/33755736neVqfo

http://community.webshots.com/photo/80807119/120095858XVRyPm

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by IronTie on Sep 15th, 2004, 4:55pm
Does anyone know specifically why the track was taken out of service?  Was is just lack of usage or were there particular problems with the roadbed?
I remember there were some places where the embankment was sliding away and were beginning to look a little scary.  There was, though, lots of work done to that segment in the early 90s, what with welded rail at boss road and rt 29, and lots of new ties put in and broken rails changed out...it would be sad if it became a bike path for yuppies to sweat out their precious carbs...

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by nhirr40 on Sep 15th, 2004, 6:36pm
Surley it would! It has already happened to the Stockton part of the line!

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by Hulka on Jan 12th, 2005, 10:02am
I recall someone saying that one of the hurricanes that came through washed away the tracks by one of the bridges.  That was the one of the  reasons I was told that they had stopped going to Lambertville.   The other was ridership declined going there.

Kevin

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by MCC385 on Mar 17th, 2005, 3:40pm
I worked on the NH&I across the river in 1991 til 1996 and 60 did come down at least once every year unitl at least 1995 on the evening trains.  Both the 40 and 60 would exchange whistle greetings.  

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by strasburg90 on Mar 17th, 2005, 4:47pm
that must have been neat.

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by Nhirr_fan on Mar 17th, 2005, 6:52pm

on 03/17/05 at 15:40:39, MCC385 wrote:
I worked on the NH&I across the river in 1991 til 1996 and 60 did come down at least once every year unitl at least 1995 on the evening trains. Both the 40 and 60 would exchange whistle greetings.

Wow! That'd be cool! I hope it happens again!  ;D

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by TOMSTV on Nov 9th, 2005, 10:53am
Just some pics of the 4666 & the 60 at Lambertville. the pennsy in 1989 & the 60 in 1995...
and the turn around south of the Lambertville Station...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/TOMSTV/TRAINS/c3e77131.jpg

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by NHI_Fan on Nov 9th, 2005, 4:26pm
That's some nice stuff!

I have some photos of the dilapitated ROW from this past summer, I should be posting them sometime soon.  ;)

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by sgp__Rail_Fan on Nov 9th, 2005, 6:36pm
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THOSE PICS.

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by TOMSTV on Nov 9th, 2005, 6:39pm
Those pics are from the video tape that I made of the run from Lambertville to Ringoes,in the front cab,next to the engineer of the Pennsy 4666 single motor car,back in 1989.I remember the train rockin and rollin down the track,as it was in fair shape at the time.
Nothing like a run to Lambertville Station for a cold beer,and lunch. ;D

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by Charlie_O on Nov 9th, 2005, 6:44pm
TOMSTV -
Aah the legends are true.  Thanks for posting those images.
-Charlie

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by WMSR_734 on Nov 10th, 2005, 11:17pm
Wow! Wow wow wow! :o :o :o Now that's awsome! Thanks so much for posting those! 8)

-Colin :o

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by sgp__Rail_Fan on Nov 11th, 2005, 6:45pm
more, more, more

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by TOMSTV on Nov 11th, 2005, 11:15pm
;D Here are some pics  .
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/TOMSTV/TRAINS/

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by strasburg90 on Nov 12th, 2005, 8:58am
Thanks for posting those photos. If they restore the line, they should build a train bridge across the river so 40 and 60 could doublehead.

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by sgp__Rail_Fan on Nov 12th, 2005, 9:42am
wow thanks  :) :) ;D :D

I hate to look a gift horse in the mouth  :-/but any more of#60 :)

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by TOMSTV on Nov 12th, 2005, 11:14am
;D To save time,I've added more pictures of the "60"Steam Engine to my trains album,so here's the link...
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/TOMSTV/TRAINS
Hope this helps :D
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v58/TOMSTV/TRAINS/7516dd45.jpg

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by sgp__Rail_Fan on Nov 12th, 2005, 8:44pm
wow

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by TOMSTV on Nov 13th, 2005, 9:37am
First thing about the pictures is,they are from the summer of 1989,about 16 years ago,so I'm sure things have changed since then. The pile of "white stuff" in the last pic,were pellets of some kind,that the hopper cars carried.
Don't know who the engineer was,or the little kid eather? The kid has to be an audult by now and out of school,and or college by now   ;D I guess if ya ask around the B.R.W. forums,you may find out who the engineer was? He was a nice guy.

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by sgp__Rail_Fan on Nov 13th, 2005, 11:23am
iF you go to the BRW ask someone who he was bring the picture. It not a large operation like Strasburg. They probably can not aford to bring the lambertville track :( :'( :-[  back maybe they could if they had a new steamer? :) :)


Post your new ideas for the brw here at
http://forums.railfan.net/forums.cgi?board=BRW;action=display;num=1131753771

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by NHI_Fan on Nov 14th, 2005, 1:10am

on 11/13/05 at 11:23:42, sgp__Rail_Fan wrote:
They probably can not aford to bring the lambertville trackback maybe they could if they had a new steamer? :) :)

Bring back the Lambertville branch with the purchase/restoration of a new steamer? No way... that'd just cost them more money! :P

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by IronTie on Nov 14th, 2005, 8:54am
The white stuff piled in the Ringoes yard is Soda Ash.   There was a trans-load operation there for a number of years.

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by sgp__Rail_Fan on Nov 14th, 2005, 3:30pm
NO I mean a new steamer would help them get the money to bring back the lambertville track :) :)

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by NHI_Fan on Nov 14th, 2005, 5:05pm
How about restoring #60 first? ;)

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by sgp__Rail_Fan on Nov 14th, 2005, 5:08pm
of course  :) :) :)

he will be done say 2007 ???

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by NHI_Fan on Nov 14th, 2005, 9:45pm
She won't be done that fast.  ;)

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by sgp__Rail_Fan on Nov 15th, 2005, 5:19pm
I am going to hope you are wrong

Where did I did i see that # anyway ???

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by NHI_Fan on Nov 16th, 2005, 7:35pm

on 11/15/05 at 17:19:57, sgp__Rail_Fan wrote:
I am going to hope you are wrong

Where did I did i see that # anyway ???

I hope I'm wrong too! I would love to see Ol' #60 steaming up and down the BR&W tracks tomorrow. Sad thing is it seems restoration on #60 has come to a hault, and please do correct me if I'm wrong.

Joe...  ;)

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by NHI_Fan on Nov 17th, 2005, 8:08am
I'm glad to hear that! I really miss #60 a whole lot, and I really want to see her running again so badly!  :'(

To all you guys workin' on #60- Keep it up! It's worth it!  ;D

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by sgp__Rail_Fan on Nov 17th, 2005, 7:22pm
I miss him too :'(

       The overhaul is being done  by Dedicated people who whant to see him run just as badly as us. Because of #60 not runing there are barly any real RailFans there. :-/

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by sgp__Rail_Fan on Jan 26th, 2006, 11:22am
That's Rediculas that track is not  in good shape at all, ??? Besides I don't know why but i could not see the picture. ???

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by sgp__Rail_Fan on Jan 27th, 2006, 5:28pm
Boy did you cunfuse me.

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by brw_60_752 on Oct 12th, 2006, 6:07am
when i was on the great train robber, i heard from one of the volenteers on the BRW that number 60 should hopefully be running by next may when the Black River & Western opens....lets have our fingers crossed :-X ;D :D :)

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by strasburg90 on Oct 29th, 2006, 7:30pm
Your kidding right. Seriously? Guys, even if 60 is not running, visit the railroad so they can get the funds.

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by Hulka on Oct 29th, 2006, 10:32pm
Trust me I would love to but being 2000 miles away makes it a little hard.  Hopefully I will be heading back East in June so me and my daughter, will be 2 by then, will be there if she is running or not!

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by brw_60_752 on Nov 25th, 2006, 10:13am
yea i would go every weekend if i had the chance, i would love to volenteer there

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by Redwings361 on Jan 17th, 2007, 3:32pm
I would help but I live in Lincoln Park, NJ and I also don't know anything about how repair to a real steam locomotive !!!!

btw here's the link for the BR&W

http://www.brwrr.com/

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by anthonyd_SRR on Jan 17th, 2007, 6:13pm
I'd love to vollenter to but BRW is far from long island

Anthony

Title: Re: brw in lambertville
Post by brw_60_752 on Jan 17th, 2007, 6:18pm
i could only go sunday though

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by J. M. Fusco on Jan 17th, 2007, 11:33pm
Guys,

Glad to hear we're all interested in the restoration of #60, but perhaps we could keep to the topic at hand here, which is the BR&W in Lambertville.

Anyhow,

After biking along the route that the BR&W follows into Lamberville (Ex-Bel-Del I believe) that runs next to the canal, it truly is in horrible, horrible condition. I am not exadurating when I say the tracks are about to fall into the canal, and there are weeds growing 3 or 4 feet out of the tracks. I know I've taken some photos, and if I find them, I'll post them here.

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by brw_60_752 on Jan 18th, 2007, 6:15am
great i cant wait to see them if you find them

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by BRWRuckus on Jan 22nd, 2007, 3:45pm
The bike-path along the canal is indeed the former Belvidere & Delaware River Railway right-of-way. The BRW trackage into Lambertville does require extensive repairs including new ties, resurfacing, rebuilding of Coriel St. grade crossing, replacement/repair of several sections of the canal wall that the track rests on, and extensive brush cutting.

Generally we do a brush cutting expedition down there once or twice a year just to keep the jungle at bay, although you'd never know it in mid-summer. It's amazing how quickly the brush grows in.

On the up-side, the line does have very few grade crossings, and the Route 29 crossing and Boss Road crossing were rebuilt in the early '90s only a few years before the line went OS in 1997.

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by brw_60_752 on May 31st, 2007, 4:50pm
The brush is already overgrown

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by anthonyd_SRR on Jun 1st, 2007, 3:37pm
That stinks

Anthony

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by SGPRailFan on Jun 1st, 2007, 4:16pm
Don't they have a machine for that?

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by Andy_S on Aug 29th, 2007, 9:41pm
The bridge over the canal above Lambertville does not look in good enough shape to hold the doodlebug, much less a steamer.

BTW, there is a Conrail hopper and a gutted coach still on the tracks south of the Lville station, anyone have info on the coach?  

Pssst, yuppies went out in the late 1980's.  All kinds of people, including the  fat old railfan typing this, use the Bel-Del ROW for biking, jogging, walking the dog, and other healthful activities.  If I can no longer ride the rails, let me at least see where they went!  

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by TOMSTV on May 17th, 2011, 10:44am
Here's a video run  of the Pennsy 4666 from Ringos to Lambertville and back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txiwSDx3v_0

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by Man with no Name on May 18th, 2011, 3:30pm
Pretty cool. I also saw your video of 60 in Lambertville and I realized how awesome it would be to have two steamers across the river from one another.

Now, I don't know much about the BRWRR (I visited only once in 2005) except for the basic facts. Does the railroad ever intend on restoring the line to Lambertville? From what I saw the tracks in town are in deplorable condition, but would they have any interest whatsoever?

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by NEFAN on May 18th, 2011, 9:34pm
I rode the Lambertville train a number of times in the 80's. It would be great to see it running again. I guess after the freight dried up, it wasn't worth the maintenance for just the passenger train. I remember seeing covered hoppers stored on the line south of the Lambertville station.

This is the Lambertville run leaving Ringoes with RS1 #57.

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by NEFAN on May 18th, 2011, 9:36pm
It was a short train. RS3 on the other end.

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by NEFAN on May 18th, 2011, 9:38pm
Here it is at the Lambertville station.

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by NEFAN on May 18th, 2011, 9:41pm
Another version of the Lambertville run with a caboose in the consist leaving Ringoes.

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by SR4501 on May 19th, 2011, 8:36am

on 05/18/11 at 15:30:56, Man with no Name wrote:
Pretty cool. I also saw your video of 60 in Lambertville and I realized how awesome it would be to have two steamers across the river from one another.

Now, I don't know much about the BRWRR (I visited only once in 2005) except for the basic facts. Does the railroad ever intend on restoring the line to Lambertville? From what I saw the tracks in town are in deplorable condition, but would they have any interest whatsoever?


I rode a santa christmas (I think it was the Jersey Central Chapter NRHS) special back in 1980ish (I was 10) with #60 (which she had a christmas wreath on her firebox). We boarded at Ringoes, went to Three bridges Then we went all the way to Lambertville, where one of the BRW RS-3 was waiting on the old Bel-Del (The track still looked in good condition) and hooked onto the back of our consist to help with the run-around move, then we headed back to Ringoes. The only other time I rode to Lambertville was again in 1983 where I had a cab-ride in the doodlebug.
The line now is in very bad shape and it is ashame they are not restoring (well as of yet, maybe) so we can hope someday trains will be running again.

BTW.. 8) video!!

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by Hulka on Jun 12th, 2016, 1:56pm
It has been a long time since I have been on here.  I was looking at a location on Google maps and decided to look at the BR&WRR line.  When I came to the Lambertville part I was sorry to see how bad of shape it is in.  On one section just South of Ringos over the Alexauken Creek it looks like the rails are missing from the bridge.  That whole ROW is in sad shape.  I guess the plans to redo it fell through.

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by JayCee on Aug 14th, 2016, 9:44pm
Hughies Doodlebug ran there , The steam engine as well,,last one there was the Jersey Central Diesel ( have pictures ) The station had been boarded up by then. Ther is ( was ) a larger yard below the station 5 or 6 deep as I remember , narrowing down and switching back to the mainline just before the wing dam.

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by JayCee on Aug 14th, 2016, 9:45pm
Very happy to hear the line is making a come back.

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by NEFAN on Oct 10th, 2016, 3:57pm
The BR&W is cleaning up the tracks in Lambertville and is planning on returning - see www.lambertvillerail.com   ;)

Title: Re: BR&W in Lambertville
Post by TOMSTV on Apr 5th, 2017, 6:37pm
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=RRh0QgWDOZo

Steam engine at Lambertville.



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